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    Hooch20 wrote:
    How about Q-Rich and Ricky for Boozer.

    Then our TPE for either Korver or Harpring.

    Sure we get the better out of this deal, but this deal helps the Jazz stay away from luxury tax hell and makes it much easier for them to sign Milsap to a long term deal. The Jazz are already at 73 million and that with Milsap scheduled to make 1 million this year. Trading our TPE for Korver would save them 5.15 million and 10.3 million with the luxury tax. Harpring makes 6.5 million and that would be 13 million with the luxury tax.

    This deal for us gives us a damn good post player in a contract year so I'm sure he would be busting his butt. This would take a lot of pressure off of Griffin and would give him one year to get his feet wet in the league.

    Both of these deals are also 2010 cap friendly.



    Harping is looking into retiring. His ankle according to him is taking it's toll. I think he retires...

    Not a bad idea though. I love that guy's grit.
     
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    Post subject: Kaman for Rubio & Love??  PostPosted: Jul 07, 2009 - 08:47 AM PST
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    There's no doubt in anyone's mind Mike Dunleavy loves Ricky Rubio...So when Minnesota drafted him knowing he would never want to play there, Mike Dunleavy eyes had to light up!!

    Now there is no way in hell that the new wolves GM is gonna allow Rubio go back to spain or wherever and leave them with nothing, if so he would be considered the dumbest GM in history and wont sit well with wolves fans...

    Minnisota offered Miller for kaman, showing intrest that they really wanted him knowing they have love...Kevin love was in trade rumors before....

    rubio and love would be solid backups thay we would need, moving griffin to the starting line up..

    i have a feeling this is gonna happen!
     
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    1. With the impending Randolph trade, there is no longer any need to trade anymore bigs.

    2. While Kaman isn't untouchable, trading him for Love and a future Rubio would once again crowd the 4 while making the 5 too shallow and provide no immediate PG depth.

    3. The T-Wolves are more desperate to rid Rubio than we are of acquiring, therefore giving up anything of value would already be too steep of a price.
     
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    merged...
     
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    qrich & davis for rubio?
    it's possible?
     
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    riky davis not b davis!!
    but i think we should try to bring back shaun livingston!!
    If he stay healty he can be a solid backup Pg,nice distributor,and as a clips fan i will like so much his come back!!!
     
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    Sonnie wrote:
    riky davis not b davis!!
    but i think we should try to bring back shaun livingston!!
    If he stay healty he can be a solid backup Pg,nice distributor,and as a clips fan i will like so much his come back!!!


    yeah shaun would be great to have as our backup right now, but im not sure what the thunder would want in return. camby maybe? i think we can get more for camby though.

    i read that the clips are in fact looking for a backup at PG though. mike taylor has been making progress from what i hear but we still want someone ahead of him on the depth chart at PG.
     
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    i want to see livingston do well, but in a clips jersey is almost too much to ask. If the clips werent willing to hang tough with him the whole way through, they probably don't deserve to get him back once he is able to play well again
     
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    I'm with SeanB, let's not bring back Livingston and let him continue on with his career elsewhere. We all wish him the best but if we bring him back that could be some kind of bad luck.. on another note, let's sign jamario moon to start at the 3 spot, so thorntons scoring can bolster our bench
     
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    i like jamario,is a great defender,and don't need 30 or more minutes on the court,so al can come off the bench and score a lot of points!!!
    he be'll be his better role! (for AL)
    but right now almost all the big free agents have agreed a terms with his new teams,
    who is still available for us???
    Mrion will go to mavs or cavs,maybe we can sigh mdaniels,that i like so much,jamario,...and then???
     
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    M daniels could maybe play a worse version of monte ellis coming off the bench for bdiddy (the player not the poster) , hopefully at an affordable price. However, he is 28 and could well have reached his peak by now (which wasnt that much of an apex)
     
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    SeanB wrote:
    i want to see livingston do well, but in a clips jersey is almost too much to ask. If the clips werent willing to hang tough with him the whole way through, they probably don't deserve to get him back once he is able to play well again


    they were willing to hang tough but not @ $4mil+ per year. They tried to offer him a min contract but he ended up getting nothing. Not really bad karma worthy.

    Moon would never start over thornton. Thornton is a much better player.
     
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    sometimes the best players dont always start clipperboy24. djones for the nugs is not better than jr smith, and the spurs always start someone worse than manu. sometimes coaches use something dumbleavy might not understand...um....STRATEGY! I agree with b_diddy that having al come off the bench as a way to be that unit's firepower is a great suggestion
     
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    SeanB wrote:
    sometimes the best players dont always start clipperboy24. djones for the nugs is not better than jr smith, and the spurs always start someone worse than manu. sometimes coaches use something dumbleavy might not understand...um....STRATEGY! I agree with b_diddy that having al come off the bench as a way to be that unit's firepower is a great suggestion


    yes exactly seanb, spoken like a true coach there. it's not always about STARTING all your best players, but rather you FINISH with your best players. Bringing Al off the bench would give the second unit a much needed boost and would allow al to do what he thrives at: score the basketball. in the starting lineup with baron, gordon, mostly likely griffin too, scoring wont be much of a problem. so i say bring thornton off bench in favor of a guy similar to moon, defensive minded, athletic, and can hit the 3 when needed. and then when the game is down the wire, that's when you insert thornton back in, who would still play starter like minutes
     
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    the more we jam this down peoples throats the more sense it keeps making to me. i dont know why we dont get more love on here for the idea..and yes exactly al would still be getting big mins anyway. back to trade ideas tho...
     
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    SeanB wrote:
    sometimes the best players dont always start clipperboy24. djones for the nugs is not better than jr smith, and the spurs always start someone worse than manu. sometimes coaches use something dumbleavy might not understand...um....STRATEGY! I agree with b_diddy that having al come off the bench as a way to be that unit's firepower is a great suggestion


    thanks for the in depth analysis and lesson SeanB. I really appreciate it... I had never heard of those players you mentioned or John Havlicek or Leandro Barbosa or Detleff Schrempf or Toni Kukoc or any other player that are whats it called again... "sixth man?"

    If you have read any of my previous threads i said thornton could be a great 6th man but i think he can also start well and should not be relegated to 6th man unless there is a clearly superior player. He is not the classic 6th man mold IMO. JR smith plays exceptionally well off the bench and fits in well and Manu can do either. A player like Jamario Moon starting would be a downgrade only taking minutes from Thornton and wasting them...
     
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    The downside is that playing off the bench is an aquired talent. Not all players can do it and particularly, young players often struggle to do it. Given our current group of players, there is no one in my mind who would push Thornton to a sixth man role... Al will likely start the games and be around to finish them... Young players can look at it the wrong way and it can ruin them... Some guys get moved to the bench and never adjust to it.
     
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    sunnydrew3 wrote:
    Sonnie wrote:
    riky davis not b davis!!
    but i think we should try to bring back shaun livingston!!
    If he stay healty he can be a solid backup Pg,nice distributor,and as a clips fan i will like so much his come back!!!


    yeah shaun would be great to have as our backup right now, but im not sure what the thunder would want in return. camby maybe? i think we can get more for camby though.


    A Livingston-type player would be nice (tall, playmaker, good defense). As much as I like Shaun, we probably shouldn't bring him back. Just find someone with his skillset (though I'm not sure who that would be).
     
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    clipperboy24 wrote:
    SeanB wrote:
    sometimes the best players dont always start clipperboy24. djones for the nugs is not better than jr smith, and the spurs always start someone worse than manu. sometimes coaches use something dumbleavy might not understand...um....STRATEGY! I agree with b_diddy that having al come off the bench as a way to be that unit's firepower is a great suggestion


    thanks for the in depth analysis and lesson SeanB. I really appreciate it... I had never heard of those players you mentioned or John Havlicek or Leandro Barbosa or Detleff Schrempf or Toni Kukoc or any other player that are whats it called again... "sixth man?"

    If you have read any of my previous threads i said thornton could be a great 6th man but i think he can also start well and should not be relegated to 6th man unless there is a clearly superior player. He is not the classic 6th man mold IMO. JR smith plays exceptionally well off the bench and fits in well and Manu can do either. A player like Jamario Moon starting would be a downgrade only taking minutes from Thornton and wasting them...



    sorry clipperboy24 but you didnt understand me i guess, even tho i made a pretty clear statement. It doesnt matter if someone is or is not "clearly superior" to al. what matters is what helps the team the most, and his scoring is needed much more with the second unit rather than the first unit, as b_diddy also pointed out. Further, you must not watch basketball much, since i dont remember 6th men having to play less than starters. Ginobili plays 30+ mins a game, i dont see why Al cant do the same.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    The downside is that playing off the bench is an aquired talent. Not all players can do it and particularly, young players often struggle to do it. Given our current group of players, there is no one in my mind who would push Thornton to a sixth man role... Al will likely start the games and be around to finish them... Young players can look at it the wrong way and it can ruin them... Some guys get moved to the bench and never adjust to it.

    Anyone can play off the bench SamMays, and we have never really seen Thorton come off the bench before he could be a Lamar Odom, Allen Iverson or Manu Ginobli in disguise. Im sure Al can adjust, but of course this will not happen unless we bring in someone which i am all for
     
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    FireMikeSmith wrote:
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    The downside is that playing off the bench is an aquired talent. Not all players can do it and particularly, young players often struggle to do it. Given our current group of players, there is no one in my mind who would push Thornton to a sixth man role... Al will likely start the games and be around to finish them... Young players can look at it the wrong way and it can ruin them... Some guys get moved to the bench and never adjust to it.

    Anyone can play off the bench SamMays, and we have never really seen Thorton come off the bench before he could be a Lamar Odom, Allen Iverson or Manu Ginobli in disguise. Im sure Al can adjust, but of course this will not happen unless we bring in someone which i am all for


    someone you are all for? so it has to meet your standards firemikesmith ? u must be gm dumbleavy in disguise
     
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    I'm okay with Thornton being the starting SF for this season. If they can't bring in someone like Childress, so be it.
     
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    journeyman wrote:
    I'm okay with Thornton being the starting SF for this season. If they can't bring in someone like Childress, so be it.


    Yeah I think before we make any other major moves we need to use this season to really evaluate what pieces should be built around and what positions we might need an upgrade at.

    Are Griffin and Gordon really going to be a 1-2 punch that eventually makes us a contender? If so, then we should look to find some players that are complementary to them.

    Is thornton really the right fit at starting SF for us? If he gets better on the defensive end and shows some strides in being able to move the ball, I think he can officially be our SF going forward. If scoring in bunches is still his biggest strength, I think we definitely look to move him to the bench and be our 6th man. I think he can do it.

    I think this year will answer some of these questions. It probably wont even take the whole year. We can use Camby or our 7 million trade exception closer to the deadline to make a splash if needed.

    For now though, I agree; lets let Thornton start at SF and see how it goes. I am pretty excited to see how Gordon, Thornton and Griffin at the 2-3-4 spots look.
     
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    SeanB wrote:
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    sometimes the best players dont always start clipperboy24. djones for the nugs is not better than jr smith, and the spurs always start someone worse than manu. sometimes coaches use something dumbleavy might not understand...um....STRATEGY! I agree with b_diddy that having al come off the bench as a way to be that unit's firepower is a great suggestion


    thanks for the in depth analysis and lesson SeanB. I really appreciate it... I had never heard of those players you mentioned or John Havlicek or Leandro Barbosa or Detleff Schrempf or Toni Kukoc or any other player that are whats it called again... "sixth man?"

    If you have read any of my previous threads i said thornton could be a great 6th man but i think he can also start well and should not be relegated to 6th man unless there is a clearly superior player. He is not the classic 6th man mold IMO. JR smith plays exceptionally well off the bench and fits in well and Manu can do either. A player like Jamario Moon starting would be a downgrade only taking minutes from Thornton and wasting them...



    sorry clipperboy24 but you didnt understand me i guess, even tho i made a pretty clear statement. It doesnt matter if someone is or is not "clearly superior" to al. what matters is what helps the team the most, and his scoring is needed much more with the second unit rather than the first unit, as b_diddy also pointed out. Further, you must not watch basketball much, since i dont remember 6th men having to play less than starters. Ginobili plays 30+ mins a game, i dont see why Al cant do the same.


    actually looks like you dont watch basketball much and dont read posts well... Moon and other players like him are ging to be looking for decent minutes... the last three season Moon has played minimum of 25 mpg. I dont see him looking to go to a team where he receives less minutes so right there he would be taking minutes from Thornton. That is where my downgrade comment comes from. You should watch a Heat game from time to time and you will see Moon plays a decent amount. I think with the Clipps a defensive minded player might work but right now if someone is going to be eating thornton's minutes, its a downgrade. Also Thornton should be playing at least 35 mpg with his talent level. I think if he could learn off the bench would be great but right now a Moon would not be an upgrade unless he takes less minutes...
     
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    SeanB wrote:
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    SamMays wrote:
    The downside is that playing off the bench is an aquired talent. Not all players can do it and particularly, young players often struggle to do it. Given our current group of players, there is no one in my mind who would push Thornton to a sixth man role... Al will likely start the games and be around to finish them... Young players can look at it the wrong way and it can ruin them... Some guys get moved to the bench and never adjust to it.

    Anyone can play off the bench SamMays, and we have never really seen Thorton come off the bench before he could be a Lamar Odom, Allen Iverson or Manu Ginobli in disguise. Im sure Al can adjust, but of course this will not happen unless we bring in someone which i am all for


    someone you are all for? so it has to meet your standards firemikesmith ? u must be gm dumbleavy in disguise


    learn to read in context it was a complex sentence, not sure if you understand that but a complex sentence has two parts... the first part he states unless we bring in someone, second part states "which i am all for" you are the King of haters, always looking to rip others apart. He forgot a comma, you should have enough grammatical understanding and discretion to comprehend and overlook that...


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    actually clipperboy24 u seem too touchy. perhaps you dont understand the nature of sarcasm very well; perhaps me and firemikesmith understood this and you just had to get in the middle. Again, i dont see why it would bother you. Further, why would it matter if Moon is used to playing big minutes? obv he would be signing with the clips with the understanding that al is the future, and bc not many teams are lobbying for his (moons) services he would not have much leverage to demand a certain amount of playing time anyway. Ultimately, Dumbleavy gets to decide who plays and if Moon were a member of this team he would be wise to play him ahead of al, yet still give al 30-33 mins per game. i dont see why you are so over the top in your attacks, its rather alarming and i hope you can start to appreciate the facetious nature of some of my posts
     
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    clipperboy24 wrote:
    SeanB wrote:
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    The downside is that playing off the bench is an aquired talent. Not all players can do it and particularly, young players often struggle to do it. Given our current group of players, there is no one in my mind who would push Thornton to a sixth man role... Al will likely start the games and be around to finish them... Young players can look at it the wrong way and it can ruin them... Some guys get moved to the bench and never adjust to it.

    Anyone can play off the bench SamMays, and we have never really seen Thorton come off the bench before he could be a Lamar Odom, Allen Iverson or Manu Ginobli in disguise. Im sure Al can adjust, but of course this will not happen unless we bring in someone which i am all for


    someone you are all for? so it has to meet your standards firemikesmith ? u must be gm dumbleavy in disguise


    lern to read in context it was a complex sentence, not sure if you understand that but a complex sentence has two parts... the first part he states unless we bring in someone, second part states "which i am all for" you are the King of haters, always looking to rip ohers apart. He forgot a comma, you should have enough grammatical understanding and discretion to comprehend that...
    Thank you for coming to my defense Clipperboy, SeanB is definitely someone who smells like a Faker fan. I think his status on here needs to be reviewed
     
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    firemikesmith thanks for stabbing me in the back after ive hailed your fire mike smith agenda. further, my status on this fansite is solid, i have been a member much longer than you, and anyone who consistently reads my posts knows i like to throw a hearty Go Clips at the end of some of my sentences; once again, i will do that here. GO CLIPS!
     
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    actually clipperboy24 u seem too touchy. perhaps you dont understand the nature of sarcasm very well; perhaps me and firemikesmith understood this and you just had to get in the middle. Again, i dont see why it would bother you. Further, why would it matter if Moon is used to playing big minutes? obv he would be signing with the clips with the understanding that al is the future, and bc not many teams are lobbying for his (moons) services he would not have much leverage to demand a certain amount of playing time anyway. Ultimately, Dumbleavy gets to decide who plays and if Moon were a member of this team he would be wise to play him ahead of al, yet still give al 30-33 mins per game. i dont see why you are so over the top in your attacks, its rather alarming and i hope you can start to appreciate the facetious nature of some of my posts


    as for the firemikesmith comment dont try to give some bs excuse. You misunderstood and looked like a raging fool, big deal.

    As for Moon, what would make him want to come to the clipps and accept a smaller role if we have not even made the playoffs since 06 and before that 1997? Come on, you have to be realistic...
     
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    clipperboy24 wrote:
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    actually clipperboy24 u seem too touchy. perhaps you dont understand the nature of sarcasm very well; perhaps me and firemikesmith understood this and you just had to get in the middle. Again, i dont see why it would bother you. Further, why would it matter if Moon is used to playing big minutes? obv he would be signing with the clips with the understanding that al is the future, and bc not many teams are lobbying for his (moons) services he would not have much leverage to demand a certain amount of playing time anyway. Ultimately, Dumbleavy gets to decide who plays and if Moon were a member of this team he would be wise to play him ahead of al, yet still give al 30-33 mins per game. i dont see why you are so over the top in your attacks, its rather alarming and i hope you can start to appreciate the facetious nature of some of my posts


    as for the firemikesmith comment dont try to give some bs excuse. You misunderstood and looked like a raging fool, big deal.

    As for Moon, what would make him want to come to the clipps and accept a smaller role if we have not even made the playoffs since 06 and before that 1997? Come on, you have to be realistic...


    clipperboy24 i will once again set you straight. First, it was OBVIOUS SARCASM when i replied to firemikesmith...further, you are right why would Moon want to be a Clipper? Actually, why would anyone want to sign with the Clippers? I forgot no one ever signs with the Clippers. Especially such high profile players such as Jamario Moon. Further, I was only seconding the suggestion made by b_diddy. Hopefully you picked up on some of my sarcasm in this post, if not I can explain it further.
     
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    Actually, why would anyone want to sign with the Clippers? I forgot no one ever signs with the Clippers. Especially such high profile players such as Jamario Moon. Further, I was only seconding the suggestion made by b_diddy.


    You're an obvious troll- banned!
     
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    david wrote:
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    Actually, why would anyone want to sign with the Clippers? I forgot no one ever signs with the Clippers. Especially such high profile players such as Jamario Moon. Further, I was only seconding the suggestion made by b_diddy.


    You're an obvious troll- banned!


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    David sometimes i think you take you authority too far. If you are gonna ban SeanB then at least warn Clipperboy
     
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    ^^Ooops- apparently FireMikeSmith = SeanB- banned too!
     
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    journeyman wrote:
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    Actually, why would anyone want to sign with the Clippers? I forgot no one ever signs with the Clippers. Especially such high profile players such as Jamario Moon. Further, I was only seconding the suggestion made by b_diddy.


    You're an obvious troll- banned!


    Thank you.


    Thank you David. I was getting tired of him attacking everything. I believe he was somewhat of a Clipps fan but his negativity was really frustrating.
     
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    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!
     
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    SeanB wrote:
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    actually clipperboy24 u seem too touchy. perhaps you dont understand the nature of sarcasm very well; perhaps me and firemikesmith understood this and you just had to get in the middle. Again, i dont see why it would bother you. Further, why would it matter if Moon is used to playing big minutes? obv he would be signing with the clips with the understanding that al is the future, and bc not many teams are lobbying for his (moons) services he would not have much leverage to demand a certain amount of playing time anyway. Ultimately, Dumbleavy gets to decide who plays and if Moon were a member of this team he would be wise to play him ahead of al, yet still give al 30-33 mins per game. i dont see why you are so over the top in your attacks, its rather alarming and i hope you can start to appreciate the facetious nature of some of my posts


    as for the firemikesmith comment dont try to give some bs excuse. You misunderstood and looked like a raging fool, big deal.

    As for Moon, what would make him want to come to the clipps and accept a smaller role if we have not even made the playoffs since 06 and before that 1997? Come on, you have to be realistic...


    clipperboy24 i will once again set you straight. First, it was OBVIOUS SARCASM when i replied to firemikesmith...further, you are right why would Moon want to be a Clipper? Actually, why would anyone want to sign with the Clippers? I forgot no one ever signs with the Clippers. Especially such high profile players such as Jamario Moon. Further, I was only seconding the suggestion made by b_diddy. Hopefully you picked up on some of my sarcasm in this post, if not I can explain it further.




    hahaha such a lame and funny way to ask for a first class ticket out of the forum.
     
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    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!


    Honestly tho i agree Thornton is not that great, yet I highly doubt the Sota L-Wolves would trade such a gem for a mediocre Small Forward. Wishful Thinking, However
     
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    Shaqtus wrote:
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    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!


    Honestly tho i agree Thornton is not that great, yet I highly doubt the Sota L-Wolves would trade such a gem for a mediocre Small Forward. Wishful Thinking, However

    Thorton is definitely a "me first" type of player. When the rock is dished to him everyone bettter start boxing out because you know he is gonna shoot a brick. But i doubt Dunleavy is even thinking about shopping Thorton. If we somehow brought another solid small forward it would be great for al to come off the bench and bring us some fire power
     
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    I love the idea of Al coming off the bench, as long as we hook him up with quality mins. I remember when I came off the bench my Senior Year for Downey High - at first I was mad, but then the coach assured me I would be getting great minutes and it was about Finishing the game. I think if Coach Dun took a similar approach to Al the Clips would only become more potent. Lastly, I saw lots of people are bashing the idea of Al as 6th man but the Clips have lots of scorers in the first group of guys, so....
     
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    Shaqtus wrote:
    I love the idea of Al coming off the bench, as long as we hook him up with quality mins. I remember when I came off the bench my Senior Year for Downey High - at first I was mad, but then the coach assured me I would be getting great minutes and it was about Finishing the game. I think if Coach Dun took a similar approach to Al the Clips would only become more potent. Lastly, I saw lots of people are bashing the idea of Al as 6th man but the Clips have lots of scorers in the first group of guys, so....

    But this would only be a good idea if we signed a decent free agent small forward such as Jamario Moon (seen his name been brought up quite a bit on this site), or Lindas Klezia, or even a Matt Barnes for defense which would be the ideal fit
     
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    NothingButNetNovak wrote:
    Shaqtus wrote:
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    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!


    Honestly tho i agree Thornton is not that great, yet I highly doubt the Sota L-Wolves would trade such a gem for a mediocre Small Forward. Wishful Thinking, However

    Thorton is definitely a "me first" type of player. When the rock is dished to him everyone bettter start boxing out because you know he is gonna shoot a brick. But i doubt Dunleavy is even thinking about shopping Thorton. If we somehow brought another solid small forward it would be great for al to come off the bench and bring us some fire power


    are these the same user? weird how all of the sudden after seanb gets booted these new users pop up and start bantering in the same thread...

    anyways i like thornton a lot and think he will b a big par of the clippers success.
     
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    clipperboy24 wrote:
    NothingButNetNovak wrote:
    Shaqtus wrote:
    thegrumps wrote:
    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!


    Honestly tho i agree Thornton is not that great, yet I highly doubt the Sota L-Wolves would trade such a gem for a mediocre Small Forward. Wishful Thinking, However

    Thorton is definitely a "me first" type of player. When the rock is dished to him everyone bettter start boxing out because you know he is gonna shoot a brick. But i doubt Dunleavy is even thinking about shopping Thorton. If we somehow brought another solid small forward it would be great for al to come off the bench and bring us some fire power


    are these the same user? weird how all of the sudden after seanb gets booted these new users pop up and start bantering in the same thread...

    anyways i like thornton a lot and think he will b a big par of the clippers success.



    I was wondering the same thing.

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    Come on guys, I'm all for postive posts, but we're going to start banning people for being negative about the clippers? Everyone has the right to their own opinions, and just because people don't agree with each other and it gets a bit heated is no good reason for banishment.

    But clipboy, it was my idea to bring Moon in and not seanb's so I'm not sure how you two become so involved in that discussion. And as much as I respect your idea of starting the superior ideas, I simply don't agree with it. And here's why:

    Personally, I don't think it really matters who starts. I think it's far more important who finishes games. I said the same thing about starting Bynum (obviously inferior to Odom's skills) and Odom when I thought Odom should come off the bench but finish games. And I haven't necessarily always agreed with how Popovich uses Ginobili since I think he is a really good 2 guard, who unlike Odoms is very consistent in his solid production. But who am I to disagree with a guy who has won four rings? Obviously he knows what he is doing.

    And let's establish this right now: something both you and I know, we don't even have Jamario Moon. So this conversation is virtually pointless until (if) we do. It was just merely a suggestion of mine, and I'm not a huge fan of how you seem to be a bit closed minded to it. Your posts suggest that all you care about is what you have to say, while completely disregarding anything of what I've said. On the other hand, I acknowledged your idea, even agreed with it in a sense, but respectfully disagreed with the parts I didn't agree with. In order to have successful banter, both parties have to at least consider what the other is saying, or else it's just pointless arguing.

    So with that being said, hear me out here.

    I completely, 100%, agree with you that Al Thornton is the better player, and far more talented. But I think we can both agree as well, that Moon is superior on the defensive end while Thornton is vastly superior to Moon offensively. They both bring great athleticsm to the wings on the break, so there is no drop off there (although Moon is a freak athlete, so maybe he's superior in athletiscm.. Although they are both surreal athletes), and solid shooters (although by percentages Moon is a better 3-point shooter than Al- 35% compared to Al's 25%). So in terms of what we need the 3 to provide, they provide many of the same things. But with a projected starting lineup of Baron, Gordon, and Griffin (and in my opinion Camby should start as well), we have plenty of offensive options to go to. Compare that to the sporadic bench of Mike Taylor, Ricky Davis, Fred Jones, Steve Novak, and (in my opinion) Chris Kaman, I think we can both see where the balance leans to in terms of offense. That's how it should be though, starters are always better than the bench unless you're a terrible team or an extremely great team. I think we're somewhere in the middle there.

    My point is, I think Thornton is far better suited to come of the bench, initially. If we were to grab Moon, which I would do, I could see him playing 18-22 minutes a game as a starter with Thornton still playing 28-35 minutes a game. And let's remember, Thornton is still developing. In my opinion, he took a step back last year even though his averages increased, so why we're ready to crown him with big-time minutes is beyond me. I think we can both agree that 28-35 minutes are still starter type minutes.

    And the reason for bringing Moon into start, would be because he would bring a balance in power. He would provide the much needed perimter defense, like a defensive stopper. All the recent champs had them: Pierce (locked down Kobe for most part), Ariza (did solid job on Hedo), Bowen, Prince, etc. Also, Moon still has the ability to spread the floor (even better than Thornton) and run the break with Baron, Gordon, Griffin, etc. Also, this would allow Thornton to get more touches early in the game and be the focal point of the second unit with Kaman (in my opinion). That'll will get him zoned and ready to really perform down the stretch in the fourth quarter, because he'd finish games too. I think that's where Thornton thrives, when he is getting multiple touches. With the starters, Thornton would get limited touches while Moon works very well off the ball. So me personally, I think Thornton would be great for our second unit off the bench while still playing starter like minutes, while Moon would be exactly what we need at the 3 spot as well. Not to mention they are both the same height too, and solid rebounders, so in that sense no drop off there as well.

    So all in all, I'm agreeing with you that Thornton is the superior player. But I also want to remind you, you seem to be crowning him a need be starter, when really I don't think he's fully earned that tag. He can be a starter, a good one at that, don't get me wrong. But by no means does his body of work merit that tag. So again, I agree he's better than Moon. He's one of our top 4-5 players. But so was Odom. And look what happened with them. Bottomline, Thornton being a 6th man makes great sense to me. He won't start games, but he'll finish them and with Moon in the starting lineup I think he brings exactly what we need at that position with the people around him: defense, athleticsm, 3-point shooting, without the need for touches. And Thornton has the ability to be a big time scorer, and that would be exactly what he would provide with the second unit.
     
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    clipperboy24 wrote:
    NothingButNetNovak wrote:
    Shaqtus wrote:
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    I would trade Thornton. He is not very productive as a team player and he should have some trading value. Thornton for Rubio is a nice trade. Do it Dunleavy!


    Honestly tho i agree Thornton is not that great, yet I highly doubt the Sota L-Wolves would trade such a gem for a mediocre Small Forward. Wishful Thinking, However

    Thorton is definitely a "me first" type of player. When the rock is dished to him everyone bettter start boxing out because you know he is gonna shoot a brick. But i doubt Dunleavy is even thinking about shopping Thorton. If we somehow brought another solid small forward it would be great for al to come off the bench and bring us some fire power


    are these the same user? weird how all of the sudden after seanb gets booted these new users pop up and start bantering in the same thread...

    anyways i like thornton a lot and think he will b a big par of the clippers success.
    No doubt about Thorton, but i do think there is one more piece to the puzzle out there in free agency
     
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    WOW b_diddy that was an extremely long yet thoughful response
     
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    thanks shaqtus, oh and welcome to topbuzz.. as long as your posts are articulate and relevant, then you're always welcome here
     
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    what would make you not welcome on here? i take it talking about that other LA team is a no-no, cursing is prob not good as well. anything else i should know before i start to give my lengthy opinions?
     
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    i would suggest no vulgar language, no personal attacks, and staying on topic. once you get off topic it leads to personal attacks which could lead to banishment. just a tip i've seen on here


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    OK onto trade ideas, does anyone think trading Blake for Durant is a good idea? I would say yes, I would even add in Thornton or Taylor or Deandre to sweeten the deal just to get OKC to bite..what says you, Clipnation?
     
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