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Post ID: 26449by Icecoldclipper » Nov 04, 2008 - 06:32 PM PST
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PF is a big need but we need a guy like mention before that can flat out score I'll even go as far as to take a sucky defender as long as the guy can score. DJ can pick up the slack on D.

Let The Scouting Begin!!!!



                
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Post ID: 26468by sz123456 » Nov 04, 2008 - 07:40 PM PST
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I wish we could somehow get Antonio McDyess, I heard the Nuggets waived him

                
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Post ID: 26472by Hooch20 » Nov 04, 2008 - 08:18 PM PST
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I'd be willing to trade Camby for Rasheed. Detroit is going to need some shot blocking.

                
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Post ID: 26474by LAC_12 » Nov 04, 2008 - 08:21 PM PST
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Id be willing to trade Kaman for Sheed Shocked

let the flaming begin?

ohhhh, and bring back Wilcox!

                
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Post ID: 26498by L-A-X » Nov 04, 2008 - 10:22 PM PST
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LAC12, i can def see that.

but in your opinion (and anyone else), who could you see being traded along with him?

                
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Post ID: 26510by ekker3 » Nov 05, 2008 - 12:23 AM PST
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rasheed and dunleavy already bumped heads in the past, we know that wont work.

                
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Post ID: 26519by L-A-X » Nov 05, 2008 - 12:58 AM PST
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touche, ekker. Portland...blah

                
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Post ID: 26521by L-A-X » Nov 05, 2008 - 12:59 AM PST
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even if clips wanted to trade for sheed for kaman, they would prob have to dish out tim thomas as well...hmm just throwing up ideas here Razz

                
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Post ID: 27087by SteelLAC2010 » Nov 07, 2008 - 02:55 PM PST
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I love that lineup

                
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Post ID: 27101by ClipFit » Nov 07, 2008 - 03:36 PM PST
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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT - not something to do now, but something to consider if this team doesn't round into a playoff calibler squad.

Kaman, Cat, Tim Thomas for Shawn Marion, Marc Blount

If the team doesn't suceed this year there needs to be changes to the CORE. We've brought in some new guys, but the problem I see is with the CORE of this team. Therefore, if they dont' suceed this season I think we need to make changes to the core. Therefore, Mia will be in the midst of a playoff run (it's the east, everyone's in it until the end). As of right now they are playing 5 guys 30+ minutes because they don't believe in their bench. With this, they get two vets down the stretch ,and a guy who can play with his back to the basket (Kaman). They can move Udo to the 4 and now play a legit 4-5 combo.

For the Clippers, it gives them 1st shot at signing Marion, who I think would work WONDERS with Baron. We all know how effective Marion can be with a team that runs. Moving Kaman, Mobley, and Thomas, makes this team MUCH younger, and speed becomes a weapon we can exploit. Blount doesn't give us much but a body. We go big in the draft and Blount can serve as the backup next season then he's off the books after next season.

Just a thought, IF this team doesn't go the way we think it will.

                
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Post ID: 27102by sunnydrew3 » Nov 07, 2008 - 03:49 PM PST
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While marion would be a nice fit next to baron...there are two things i see getting in the way of this trade.....1) We need to see what happens with Marion's contract situation after this year. Will he get an extension with the heat and resign with them or test free agency? 2) Can we get something even better than marion in 2010 with the cap space we would have when cat and TT come off the books. One thing is for sure- it is going to be an interesting two years when these two big free agent summers go down

                
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Post ID: 27110by sz123456 » Nov 07, 2008 - 04:30 PM PST
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Cuttino for Al Harrington, I would do that trade right now

                
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Post ID: 27112by sunnydrew3 » Nov 07, 2008 - 04:39 PM PST
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i heard gerald wallace is on the block....i am a big fan of the guy...hustles a bunch and a good rebounder....also pretty fun to watch.....he is built a lot like thornton though, and i would take thornton any day over him

                
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Post ID: 27115by NUMB3RFIFTY » Nov 07, 2008 - 04:58 PM PST
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I'm not so sure i can wait until the 2010-2011 season. ppl sometimes forget that its not next year, its the year after that.

We have a HUGE chunk of change waiting for us in that season and i think we should hold out and make a bid at both Wade and Bosh.

At that point,

Kaman (in a contract year) Bosh Thornton (in 2 years = scary) Wade Baron

And HOPEFULLY Someone other than Dunleavy coaching

                
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Post ID: 27120by mhmmmclippers » Nov 07, 2008 - 05:32 PM PST
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kaman bosh al wade baron

....AMAZING line up, but dont think it could happen...

                
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Post ID: 27131by Mairen06 » Nov 07, 2008 - 08:06 PM PST
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how about we trade for wallace from the bobcats seems they wanna trade him plus i really love his defense n he can score as well kinda reminds me of cory only wallace plays defense we can give up thomas n hart idk what u guys think

                
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Post ID: 27134by NUMB3RFIFTY » Nov 07, 2008 - 09:03 PM PST
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Thornton would be pushed to 2 on the depth chart unless we go super-tall at the 2-3 and play them together

                
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Post ID: 27396by Hooch20 » Nov 08, 2008 - 09:40 PM PST
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I'll go with Michael Redd. Mobley and Thomas make the salaries match. A couple of firsts might get it done. Not really sure how I'd feel about giving up Gordon though. If it took Gordon to get it done I'd probably go for it though.

Redd is the big time shooter that we need. The Bucks aren't going to win anytime soon and frankly it doesn't look like we will either. Redd could be the three point shooter that we need to space the floor for Kaman. And with Baron on the drive Redd would be great to kick it out too.

I also wouldn't mind Jamal Crawford for Mobley. The Knicks would get more money for 2010 and we would get a much younger and better player. Crawford is all around better on offense and can create his own shot. Something that Mobley seems to be losing as he gets older. Even with Crawford on board we'd still have about $25 million to spend in 2010.

                
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Post ID: 28069by sz123456 » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:16 AM PST
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This team does not work. We can preach about how the chemistry is not there yet all day, but the fact is we can't beat a mediocre team at home when their best player isn't at their disposal, our team has issues. Cuttino Mobley is making too much money, he needs to go. Mobley for Al Harrington!

                
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Post ID: 28078by Miquel » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:26 AM PST
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Do you really think the Warriors are so silly to make this trade...????

The first trade must be DUMBLEAVY!!!And I would forget the Bosh idea in 2010 if we keep on doing ridiculous seasons as this one. Fire Dunleavy!!!

                
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Post ID: 28082by sz123456 » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:28 AM PST
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Well with the moves Chris Mullin and his staff have done the last few years, I will put nothing past them. The fact is they are looking hard to get rid of Al Harrington, he doesn't get along with any of the coaches. They might be desperate/dumb enough to make that trade, and maybe Corey Maggette will put in a good word for CAT, who knows?

                
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Post ID: 28088by Miquel » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:32 AM PST
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If Al Harrington doesn't get along with Nelson how do you think it could be his relation with Dunleavy.

                
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Post ID: 28090by elton_sucks42 » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:34 AM PST
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If Harrington wants out because he doesnt like the coaches. Imagine the love fest between Harrington, Baron and Dunleavy ! haha

                
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Post ID: 28093by sz123456 » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:35 AM PST
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Looking at Baron's body language tonight, he's not happy with some of the players and the way the offense is run. If we brought in Harrington he's have a familiar face that would cheer him up a bit, they played pretty well together

                
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Post ID: 28099by elton_sucks42 » Nov 13, 2008 - 01:38 AM PST
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If only we were able to steal Kelenna Azuibuike from the warriors.

                
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Post ID: 28144by Jay.r » Nov 13, 2008 - 11:01 AM PST
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Let's trade Mike Dunleavy Sr. for Mike Dunleavy Jr... I'd coach the team! 8)

                
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Post Subject: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28318by clippersblue » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:00 AM PST
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I would consider myself a pretty die hard fan and this is unbearable and pathetic with the players we have on this team. It is time to change our name of Clippers to something else that doesn't have the stigma of losing and to ship players out of town. I'd get rid of Kaman. I think it is an attitude problem in the locker room. Dunlevy has to go to. If your not performing, and you lose 7 with Baron Davis, the players have tuned you out.

What could we do. We need to roll the dice. Baron Davis likes to run so lets get some players that can run. We should put a package out there for Kaman and somebody else on the team. I might trade for Gerald Wallace although he has a big contract and I am concerned why his open on the market. If he can score, it might be worth it, but probably not. My best trade would be Ben Gordon for Kaman, then sign Ben Gordon at the end of the year to the same amount of money as Kaman unless he doesn't produce.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28322by clipper*joe » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:06 AM PST
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Uh, Kaman has been the beneficiary of Baron's style amongst the Clippers. Why would we trade our big man for a player coming off the bench that plays a position that Gordon will eventually take over? So we trade away our best big man for a bench player that will take time away from the others at the same position and be weak @ center? Not me....

                
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Post Subject: RE: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28324by clipshow » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:11 AM PST
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I thought Ben and Eric Gordon play the same position?Gerald Wallace would have to move to the three.And that would force Thornton to play out of position. If I had to lets trade him for another Pf. Right now lets not trade for players that might really set us back.If we were to trade..

                
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Post Subject: RE: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28325by MrB » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:12 AM PST
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Yeah man CJ is right. You want the team to go in a backwards direction. Kaman has benefitted so much for having Baron. He has shown flashes of a good tandem that will connect on plays for atleast 4 more years. And you wanna dump him for nothing? I doubt Mdsr. would do it, neither would I for that matter.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28326by journeyman » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:12 AM PST
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Guy's I'd consider (CONSIDER) for Kaman:

Amare, Bosh, Joe Johnson, D-Wade, etc.

Guy's I would not want in return for Kaman:

Harrington, Ben Gordon, Dunleavy Jr., Marbury, Randolph, Curry, jerome james, Jamal Crawford, Jared Jeffereies, Gerald Wallace, Tinsley, LaFrentz, Nesterovich, or anyone who isn't a clear superstar slamdunk upgrade.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Kaman for Ben Gordon Post ID: 28331by sz123456 » Nov 14, 2008 - 01:00 AM PST
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Ben Gordon is weak. He's one of those players that loves to be under the radar and will punish you while no one is paying attention (cough, Elton Brand, cough).

                
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Post ID: 28334by ekker3 » Nov 14, 2008 - 01:18 AM PST
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can you imagine how soft/small we'd be if we traded kaman for another backcourt player?

no trade talk, please.

                
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Post ID: 28336by LAC_12 » Nov 14, 2008 - 01:42 AM PST
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seconded, tis how i feel also

                
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Post ID: 28339by david » Nov 14, 2008 - 01:52 AM PST
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This belong in the trade ideas thread- please post future trade ideas there- thanks.

                
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Post Subject: We need to make a trade for Kaman! Post ID: 28375by clippersblue » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:39 PM PST
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We need to dump the coach and trade Kaman for something good. It is the only piece that we could get something really good for. I'd be open to trading him and Mobley for Drew Gooden and Ben Gordon. That way we have cap flexibility, and the Bulls get a center. I think Kaman is really good, but we run fast here and he is better in a half court setting. What do you think.

                
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Post Subject: RE: We need to make a trade for Kaman! Post ID: 28380by Jay.r » Nov 14, 2008 - 12:43 PM PST
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Yeah... I hate Kaman's contract but I dunno... that's going to be less scoring for the team. I like Camby better than Kaman as of right now because he is much more consistent but he can't score as good as Kaman... unless your going to trade him for another much better scorer but less defensively talented player. I could also trade Kaman for a 2 year lease on dependable player to free us up for 2010,

                
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Post Subject: RE: Barbosa Post ID: 28775by Jay.r » Nov 15, 2008 - 10:17 PM PST
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This is what I think we should do... Just Mix and match.

For sure I want to trade:

Kaman, round picks (including first round(s))

Kaman has really bad fundamentals... I blame the coaching staff on this one but I think it'll be hard for his bad habits to reverse now so I'll include him.

Players that could be included: Mobley, Thomas, Skinner, Hart, and any of the lower tier players.

The Untouchables: Gordon, Ricky, Starters (other than Kaman and Mobley), Paul (smart player), Taylor, Jordan, Novak (potential and shooter) every team needs a shooter.

We need a secondary Allstar to compliment BD, its clear to me now that Al is not ready yet to be the second option.

Keep Mike Dunleavy... at least for now. Today's coaching was pretty impressive but still, GSW doesn't really play defense.

Depth bench could come from the vast freeagents from this year... and I'm sure that a lot of them would be happy to sign a minimum for one year.

                
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Post ID: 28785by sz123456 » Nov 15, 2008 - 10:45 PM PST
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I really like where your head is at. I think a lot of people are banking on that 2010 free agency, but Baron isn't gonna be in decent shape his whole career. He's good now, we should try to win now.

Kaman and/or Mobley could bring some high quality player(s) to this team, I just hope Dunleavy is at least considering it.

                
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Post ID: 28806by NUMB3RFIFTY » Nov 16, 2008 - 12:06 AM PST
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I propose trading Dunleavy for Kurt Rambis

                
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Post Subject: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28936by clipperAndrew » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:03 AM PST
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I am sure a lot of you are going to be pissed off at me for making this post, but hear me out. Eric Gordon is good, but if a team comes calling and wants to trade for him we should not be affraid to trade him. I know I know, "but EG is the future!!" Ya so was livingston and looked what happened. So was Odom well he is gone, Miles? yep gone too. We need to stop holding onto these players becasue they are the "future." I want to win now and I am sure Baron does too. If we used EG and maybe Kaman I think we can get a great player, say Carlos Boozer perhaps? Anyways I know Eric is good, and I know he can be a good player, but we need to stop trying to hold all these players. Not trade Livingston for Allen Iverson!!? A 2 time MVP, like 9 time All star? Not trade Maggette for Artest? I mean wtf? Here is my assesment of our last 10 year draft history. Starting of course with one of the biggest draft busts in NBA history....

1998- Michael Olowokandi (1).....WTF? lets see who we passed on shall we... Antawn Jamison (4th, all star), Vince Carter (5th, All star), Dirk (MVP, all star 9th), Paul Peirce (Finals MVP, all star, 10th), Rashard Lewis (32nd, All star), And Brad Miller (undrafted, all star)

1999- Lamar Odom (4th) Not a bad pick at all, but lets see who we could have drafted...Wally Szcerbiak (all star, 6th, not great but still made an all star team), Richard Hamilton (all star, 7th), Shawn Marion, Ron Artest, and Andrei Kirilenko...and crazy enough Manu Ginobli, drafted 57th...but all all stars.

2000- Darius Miles...not to bad, but some big names we could have had Mike Miller and Michael Redd in the second round

2001- Tyson Chandler, this was good because we traded for EB, but some all stars we could have had Pau Gasol, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker, and second round Gilbert Arenas and Mehmet Okur

2002- Chris Wilcox (8th) and Melvin Ely (12)...This is the one that really stings since we passed on Amare, Caron Butler, Tayshaun Prince, and Carlos Boozer in the second round...ugh.

2003- Chris Kaman, not to bad, but we did miss on David West, Josh Howard (nut case, but the guy can ball)

2004- Shuan Livingston, This one hurts...Tons of great talent we missed on, such as Devin Harris, Loul Deng, Andre Iguodola, Josh Smith, Al Jefferson

2005- Yaroslav Korolev...Um WTF?..missed on Rashard McCants, Danny Granger, Linas Kleiza, David Lee, Brandon Bass, Monta Ellis

2006- Paul Davis, this one is hard becasue we didnt have much choice, but we could have picked Paul Milsap.

2007- Al Thornton, Of course I love this pick and I think he can do great things

2008- Eric Gordon....who knows.....?

So you see our draft choices have been awful these past years with the expcetions of a one or two players. All I am saying is I am tired of waiting for the "futue" when who knows if it will pan out. It hasnt so far. And yes I am aware you never know what could happen with these players. You never know who will be good or will not. But if we wait too who knows what will happen. I am sure many of you will rip me a new one, but you cannot deny my logic. If lets say Jazz call and want EG and Kaman for Boozer, you wouldn't take the deal? We would be morons if we didn't

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28939by sz123456 » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:23 AM PST
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WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLL, it depends. I've said before, I think Gordon is going to be a game changer by next year. But here's the kicker: My season tickets are at the player's entrance and Gordon never engages the fans and he is always moping in and out of the locker room. i don't think he likes it here and I worry that he might burn us one day.

If we could get a legitimate all-star for gordon plus kaman/mobley, I would at least consider it.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28940by Derty_Bert » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:26 AM PST
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Besides "The Candyman" Korolev and Miles, most of these players are starters on a NBA team. The three mentioned before aren't even on a roster. We would be shooting ourselves in the foot if we traded Gordon away, Boozer is another Brand. Same game, same attitude. He left the Cavs after he told them he would come back and bolted for utah the first chance he got.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28943by sz123456 » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:29 AM PST
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Boozer is absolutely a scumbag, but he is a proven all-star (in the regular season at least).

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28947by clipperAndrew » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:35 AM PST
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We have been shooting ourself in the foot every year. The last time we traded our draft pick what happend? We got EB and went to the second round of the playoffs. What if we traded Livingston for A.I., A.I and EB on the same team? But nope...now look what happened. I'm not just saying Boozer, but there are others. We cannot wait any longer.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28948by ekker3 » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:36 AM PST
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you cant just look at draft outcomes, notice players that blossomed in the NBA and then blame our FO for skipping them. players flourish depending on the team's situation. example:you bring up darius miles (a #3 draft pick) and then blame our management for missing out on michael redd (a late 2nd round pick).

hindsight's pretty cool.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28949by ekker3 » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:39 AM PST
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but to answer the EG question. you dont trade a high draft pick you havent allowed the opportunity to shine. on top of that, you cant trade a player that, as a result, hasnt been given enough time to be labeled as a reason for our struggles.

gordo has skills.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28950by NUMB3RFIFTY » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:39 AM PST
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I mean, who's on the trading block?

Marco Belinelli Gerald Wallace Al Harrington Eddy Curry

Anybody i missed?

And would you give Kaman + 1 for any of them?

I would do it for Gerald Wallace

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28951by clipperAndrew » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:44 AM PST
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I am just saying who missed out on. Monta Ellis was second round, so was Boozer. Basically the idea of the post is that great teams trade their telented youth for proven NBA players....EX. Boston last year traded tons of talent for KG and Ray Allen, NBA Champs....Lakers, WF champs...Goodbye Marc Gasol and Javeris Crittition.....and here is good one Hornets, a little different situation but Horents, Trading BD away and then drafting Chris Paul. Basically we should not be worried to make a trade period.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Eric Gordon as trade bait... Post ID: 28953by clipperAndrew » Nov 17, 2008 - 12:45 AM PST
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Boozer and Zach Randolph are on the trade block as well. If the Jazz don't something this year they could lose him to free angency in the summer and get nothing in return

                
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