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^^ It was written in an article yesterday. Yao and T-mac don't speak anymore. Yao is fed up with T-mac's injuries and messing up the chemistry of the team. He was quoted as saying he is tired of Mac taking himself out of games hours prior to the start of the game. The person divulging the insider information is a Rocket insider who was not mentioned.

  • couldn't find the article but C4lf is right.
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F*** no we should not trade for T-Mac!!!!

Here's the article

Tracy McGrady has so frequently been out of the lineup that the Rockets are beginning to be fed up with him, and Yao Ming has quietly voiced his displeasure.

"They don't speak," an extremely plugged-in person tells David Aldridge. "And Yao wants him out."

Next summer McGrady will have an expiring, $22.4 million contract that many teams will likely be interested in taking.

Yao and McGrady still like each other personally, but it is an on-the-court matter.

One veteran scout who worked a Rockets' game recently was shocked by the deterioration in the still-29-year-old McGrady's game.

"I thought to myself, 'My God, he's old,'" the scout said. "It was amazing."

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Well I mean, based on that, why would we go after T-Mac? He's injured more than he is healthy. I guess it could be fun for a year, but I don't like that

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Just having fun. I'm bored today.

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Kaman for Hinrich and Sefolosha. This trade is just about giving us depth. I also believe Hirich is better suited to play in Dunleavy's sytem than Baron.

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Baron for Lee, Robinson, and Rose. This trade also gives us more depth and gets rid of Baron's crazy contract. He doesn't want to be here and he'll never fit with Dunleavy. Lee and Robinson would add depth and athleticism to our team.

Hinrich, Robinson, Jones, Taylor

Gordon, Sefolosha, Collins

Thornton, Davis

Randolph, Lee, Novak

Camby, Jordan, Skinner

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I like the idea of going after Hinrich, but I think we should trade Baron for him instead. We should do it because he's a smart player and good with pick n roll style basketball. The Bulls should do it because John Paxson is dumb, and dumb GMs make trades like that

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trade baron for bayless....(idk) and kaman for gerald wallace (idk)

1.Bayless

2.Gordan

3.Thornton

4.Zach

5.Camby

and our main 6th man wallace

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I've been following this thread for a while and many of the ideas are quite creative. Maybe this has been said before but we'll have big problems with trades. We can't dump the players that other teams want because we need them and what we can dump noboby wants. I'd love to trade Davis straight up for Hinrich but Chi doesn't need him. Our trade bait in order

1 Chris - injury prone and streaky but Camby's old and injury prone and I don't have faith in D Andre. We need him

2 Thornton. Cheap lots of potential but Eric can do what he does but better

3 Camby obvious reasons

Distant: BD. Overpriced injury prone, crappy season . I would love to trade him for a PG who can play in MDSr's system and a good 3 pt shooter

D Andre, Taylor, Collins

We need a shooter who can hit 3's. The Atlanta game proved that.We miss Cat. Eric and another shooter will open up the paint but who wants Davis? (A Baron is the lowest level of nobility)

Al seems the best to trade for a SF who can shoot since BD stinks it up

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Baron Davis has a better trade value than Hinrinch although Chicago doesn't need Baron since they already have Rose. But man, Baron Davis has had an awful season (everybody knows it) but he still deserves some respect and I'm confident that he'll prove he's a great player playing for us...

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I like it, except I'd start Wallace and Thornton as our 6th man. This team would be beastly.

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I was watching the Bulls game yesterday and they play Hinrich and Rose at the same time a lot, so technically Baron could fit. Also Chicago likes to run more which Baron excels at. Man that trade would make me happy

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I say we go after bayless. he had a nice game last night, but i was feeling him even before that. he and gordon would develop into an awesome backcourt for the years to come. portland probably doesnt want kaman cuz they have oden, but could they possibly want baron, maybe even thornton in some sort of deal?

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Why even make anymore trades? Not only do we have an amazing team lined up, if they can stay healthy, but there's been nothing but evidence from MD and the rest of the organization that Kaman, Zach, and Camby are going nowhere this or next season. Unless an amazing trade came along I personally don't seem them leaving either. And no that doesn't include Hinrich or anyone from the Bulls, Wallace or Bayless,....unless 2 of those guys are coming to us with little leaving i.e. one player. Also Gordon and Thornton are viewed as our core as well and are most likely untouchable, unless we're getting a superstar. And why shouldn't they be? Gordon is the dynamic scorer, both outside and inside, we've been looking for and plays great defense which is rare in a rookie. Thornton does a little bit of everything on the defensive end and can easily be a 20+ a night scorer. I don't understand why everyone wants to trade him. We have 6 big men in Samb, Jordan, Skinner, Camby, Zach, and Kaman and you want to trade one of two SF's........

We saw how good we we're scrapping our entire team, so how about we stick to this core group of guys:

Camby

Gordon

Thornton

Baron

Zach

Kaman

Taylor

Jordan

Ricky

Possibly Novak and Collins,

and see how things pan out. If anything, trading Camby would be the most logical move as he's already old and will, possibly, walk next season. We'd have Chris and Zach starting with Jordan and another pick up coming off the bench. We can afford to loose a Center/PF even though Camby has been nothing short of perfection.

We know we can win with Zach in the lineup and that doesn't include having Chris start or come off the bench. We don't need to make trades because all our guys are hurt and we want to win today or tomorrow.

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The problem is we have no 3 point shooters except Eric. We have lots of guys who can attack the paint but no one except Gordon for inside out. If we had a shooter it opens up inside tremendously. Otherwise Al better spend a lot of time in the gym popping treys

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With Novak getting consistent playing time he's able to continually hit the 3. Al has his moments with the 3 point shot. He can hit them but doesn't seem comfortable to let it fly from beyond the arc unless wide open. Jones seems to be able to hit them though not sure he's here for the long term. Collins seems to be doing better from 3 point land since being traded to us. Though I agree, Eric is the only one who really looks to shoot it often.

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no, we already added the 3 point shot to our teams arsenal. novak, collins, jones, baron, gordon. i dont think its our 3 pt shootinh. itsjust the coach.

if he doesnt know how to motivate his players then he shouldnt be the coach. look at byron scott and doc rivers. and i dotn know why we get injuredf all the time. maybe powell is doing a bad job with the conditioning? i dont know but some1 has to find teh solution b4 the thunder pass us in the standings lol.

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If a player is not motivated to play with just the privilege of making tons of money and making it to the NBA, they shouldn't be playing the sport. JMHO

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no, we already added the 3 point shot to our teams arsenal. novak, collins, jones, baron, gordon. i dont think its our 3 pt shootinh. itsjust the coach.

if he doesnt know how to motivate his players then he shouldnt be the coach. look at byron scott and doc rivers. and i dotn know why we get injuredf all the time. maybe powell is doing a bad job with the conditioning? i dont know but some1 has to find teh solution b4 the thunder pass us in the standings lol.

If a player is not motivated to play with just the privilege of making tons of money and making it to the NBA, they shouldn't be playing the sport. JMHO

yeah but players like eric gordon and al thornton who are the young ones of the team need some mental strength and dont have that so they need teh coach. camby can only help them soo much, baron and zach are not on the court.

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no, we already added the 3 point shot to our teams arsenal. novak, collins, jones, baron, gordon. i dont think its our 3 pt shootinh. itsjust the coach.

if he doesnt know how to motivate his players then he shouldnt be the coach. look at byron scott and doc rivers. and i dotn know why we get injuredf all the time. maybe powell is doing a bad job with the conditioning? i dont know but some1 has to find teh solution b4 the thunder pass us in the standings lol.

If a player is not motivated to play with just the privilege of making tons of money and making it to the NBA, they shouldn't be playing the sport. JMHO

yeah but players like eric gordon and al thornton who are the young ones of the team need some mental strength and dont have that so they need teh coach. camby can only help them soo much, baron and zach are not on the court.

Yup, I agree. Don't you find it funny that Gordon & Thornton who get paid substantially less ( under 2.5 million a year) are the ones that are motivated to play? Aside from Camby, those 2 guys are the motivators for this team.

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In principal I agree with you, but realistically we can't get rid of everyone on our roster who isn't playing to potential.

The fact is we have most talent on this team that I have ever seen, and they look terrible. I defend Dunleavy a lot, but the blame falls on his shoulders.

We have plenty of injuries, that is true. But every other team deals with them as well. If the Rockets can go on a 22-game winning streak with basically T-Mac, Rafer Alston, and a bunch of nobodies, we don't have an excuse for losing as many games as we have.

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clipper*joe wrote:
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no, we already added the 3 point shot to our teams arsenal. novak, collins, jones, baron, gordon. i dont think its our 3 pt shootinh. itsjust the coach.

if he doesnt know how to motivate his players then he shouldnt be the coach. look at byron scott and doc rivers. and i dotn know why we get injuredf all the time. maybe powell is doing a bad job with the conditioning? i dont know but some1 has to find teh solution b4 the thunder pass us in the standings lol.

If a player is not motivated to play with just the privilege of making tons of money and making it to the NBA, they shouldn't be playing the sport. JMHO

yeah but players like eric gordon and al thornton who are the young ones of the team need some mental strength and dont have that so they need teh coach. camby can only help them soo much, baron and zach are not on the court.

Yup, I agree. Don't you find it funny that Gordon & Thornton who get paid substantially less ( under 2.5 million a year) are the ones that are motivated to play? Aside from Camby, those 2 guys are the motivators for this team.

yeah, the young ones on our team along with camby are acting the most mature, while our veterans(baron) is acting like a baby. thats really wierd lol. but gordon will be making like 5 mil(at least) after his rookie contract.

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clipperstown wrote:
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no, we already added the 3 point shot to our teams arsenal. novak, collins, jones, baron, gordon. i dont think its our 3 pt shootinh. itsjust the coach.

if he doesnt know how to motivate his players then he shouldnt be the coach. look at byron scott and doc rivers. and i dotn know why we get injuredf all the time. maybe powell is doing a bad job with the conditioning? i dont know but some1 has to find teh solution b4 the thunder pass us in the standings lol.

If a player is not motivated to play with just the privilege of making tons of money and making it to the NBA, they shouldn't be playing the sport. JMHO

yeah but players like eric gordon and al thornton who are the young ones of the team need some mental strength and dont have that so they need teh coach. camby can only help them soo much, baron and zach are not on the court.

Yup, I agree. Don't you find it funny that Gordon & Thornton who get paid substantially less ( under 2.5 million a year) are the ones that are motivated to play? Aside from Camby, those 2 guys are the motivators for this team.

yeah, the young ones on our team along with camby are acting the most mature, while our veterans(baron) is acting like a baby. thats really wierd lol. but gordon will be making like 5 mil(at least) after his rookie contract.

...at least 5 million. lol

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lol yeah 5m for them is notin lol

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What do you guys think of trade for next years 1st rounder 4 Caron Butler?? Should we offer?? Is it legal??(trade rules) Does it work??? R we better?? Would they do it??

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they wouldnt do it and i wouldnt want to, becasue we already got randolph, and we got enough scorers when healthy lol.

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I would even throw in mini's 1st rounder 4 the cherry on top. We need a sf that can pass! We also need a ring and that makes us better. The wiz might do it for cap relief cause of 0's injuries. What if arenas doesn't come back at all?

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That would never happen lol. Arenas, Jamison, and Butler are their go to guys. They got those 3 locked up together for three years. They'll give it a try next season when Arenas is healthy. If they don't go deep into the playoff's then maybe they'd get rid of someone...maybe. And by then we shouldn't need to trade cause we should be headed to the playoff's with a healthy team.

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that would be epic-funny

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Jamison is supposedly available. Butler I think could be had for the right price. We have no big contracts to get rid of though

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if min. get 10th pick is it ours??????

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yeah its ours....but i dont want th tenth pick THIS year. the class is too weak. i think the only people for us worth getting are, griffin, harden, holiday, monroe, rubio, thabeet and Derozan... i am A HUGE fan of derozan man....he could sky. but he's pretty raw. maybe someone like monroe would be good cause kaman,camby, and randolph playing in the same game is almost near impossible so monroe would be a REALLY good insurance policy. i'd rather have monroe than skinner in the low block. or even better....HASHEEN THABEET!

oh yeah, and i heard rubio's gonna wait for the 10' nba draft cause he plans to work on his shot and speed.

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i would go for it if we could but there is no way they would trade us butler... also Z-bone is a PF and Caron is a SF

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Amare is now rumored to be available. We don't have much in value to trade though. One of our bigs would have to be sent to Phoenix and I'm guessing along with our 1st rounder this year. The question is would you guys trade our 1st rounder this year (which is looking really good) along with Randolph for Amare?

Getting Amare out there with Baron, Gordon, Thornton, and Camby would make us pretty damn exciting to watch.

Zach was playing great for us, but the chance of getting an all-star would be to much to pass up for me. Even including our 1st rounder this year wouldn't bother me. The only problem for me is that Amare can opt out of his contract after next year.

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i dont really understand what the suns want to do. trading amare for young talent means they might as well trade nash and sauq too, since it is pointless to get younger if you still have older guys on the team who are playing at a high level. plus, with the right coach, amare is the best player by far on that team. i cant imagine what package in return would please the suns in this situation. i would love amare, but i think we need to focus on a team that within the next 2-3 years is willing to let gordon be the star. amare isnt a player who is happy not being the star player.

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i think we have a good chance of having michael redd now. his out for the whole season yea so what. are season is basically over anyways so it would matter trading for this guy. Kaman for redd. kaman will actually be able to play after the all star break so they get someone thats going to play and help them find a spot in the playoffs and we get a pure shooter that will for sure help this team.

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I wouldn't want Amare, he has a horrible attitude and has never played defense in his life

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I wouldn't be comfortable picking up a player who's out for the rest of the season. I'd rather pick him up when we know he's healthy and able to perform at the same level. Besides we already have Al and Gordon and I guarantee you these guys are seen as our 2 and 3 starters for as long as we can have them. We really don't need Redd, just some more bench pieces. If Baron can get going, Al, Eric, Zach, and Camby/Chris are an amazing starting lineup. We don't need any more starters.

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That's what they said about Z-Bo. He's still better than Kaman. If we had the chance to get him, it would be a no brainer.

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THE BAD Resurecting an old thread. It's halftime and we have a chance to look back. Hart was a disappointment He was good a couple of years ago. Ricky is a disappointment but he did get 11 assists and it's hard to believe he won't light up.

THE GOOD. Zbo, Camby, Gordon, Novak, Mardy, Fred Jones, Taylor, I believe in Samb. We'll know in 1-2 games if he is an outside threat. and maybe Jordan. Skinner hasn't been bad except his dunks.

THE UGLY. Chris has been out 1/2 of this season and 1/4 of last. He needs to come off the bench but he won't. BD also has been injured and he sucked. We were better off without him. We have 4 ball handlers. If Ricky gets his shot together he can double-double. They need to go.

We need a good back up SF or Marion and Al comes off the bench. Marion can also play PF. We also need a good back up PF and another shooter. With BD,CK and Hart in the pot for trades. ???

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All these trades mean nothing...at least for this year. Our Core (Kaman, Camby, Zach, Al, Gordon, and Davis) are untouchable unless a trade comes up that better benefits us then the other team. MD wants to see how this team functions when everyone is healthy and I don't blame him. How could you guys want to trade anyone right now? We got the gellin out of the way. How could you guys not be excited about those starters playing alongside one another.

BD has played and watched this team for half a season so he should understand what works, what doesn't, and what he needs to do to get the team rollin. Eric is far from being the player he was to start this season and hasn't played with our core. Al has been playing better of late. His shots are falling and is looking to pass more. Zach is zach, he's gonna get his points. Camby is camby lol. Having Kaman, who is a proven starter, come off the bench is a luxury little teams have...if anyone. We have the shooting sensation Novak who's becoming automatic with consistent playing time. And the rest of the guys have stepped it up which will hopefully continue when our big guns get back.

We have a team with the talent to succeed in this league. We now just have to prove it.

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I agree......except about Kaman. The guy was really good last year but then he got hurt, and instead of taking the off season to relax he went to play for the German team. I know playing in the Olympics is a great thing, but when your job and only job is to play for the Los Angeles Clippers you need to fullfill those promises. It is like someon working at a Mazda dealership decides to work at a Toyota dealership for the summer. Although that really analogy doesn't really work that well because Kaman was HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The guy has been hurt all his career. I dont think I can muster up another year of him getting hurt and sitting tons of games!!

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I understand what you mean and I agree too. But I'd trade him if he gets hurt for a long period of time again next season. The problem with that though is if we wait and he gets hurt again, will he still be as valuable as he is now? Still though if he can stay healthy he'll be great for us off the bench. I'm still a bit worried about Camby. He's got one more year and is only a few years away from retiring. If he leaves and we traded Kaman for someone other than a PF or C then we will have some problems. DJ has been good for us but nowhere near ready to fill the void left by Chris and Camby (if we cant get him back when his contract is up)

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I agree......except about Kaman. The guy was really good last year but then he got hurt, and instead of taking the off season to relax he went to play for the German team. I know playing in the Olympics is a great thing, but when your job and only job is to play for the Los Angeles Clippers you need to fullfill those promises. It is like someon working at a Mazda dealership decides to work at a Toyota dealership for the summer. Although that really analogy doesn't really work that well because Kaman was HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The guy has been hurt all his career. I dont think I can muster up another year of him getting hurt and sitting tons of games!!
I understand what you mean and I agree too. But I'd trade him if he gets hurt for a long period of time again next season. The problem with that though is if we wait and he gets hurt again, will he still be as valuable as he is now? Still though if he can stay healthy he'll be great for us off the bench. I'm still a bit worried about Camby. He's got one more year and is only a few years away from retiring. If he leaves and we traded Kaman for someone other than a PF or C then we will have some problems. DJ has been good for us but nowhere near ready to fill the void left by Chris and Camby (if we cant get him back when his contract is up)

I totally understand man, but Kaman hasnt done much for us. Kobe wanted to get rid of Bynum and now look at him. I mean DJ has way more potential than bynum at this point in their careers. But I want to win now, im tired of waiting. Lets just trade him and get marion. I really think with Marion next year we can be so deadly. We have such a great core..we just need to get one more peice

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Ok fair enough. But if we did get Marion his contract will be up by the end of the season. We couldn't afford to lose him and then have nothing. We'd have to make sure he'd be happy signing a new contract with us.

Try to go after Gerald Wallace? He's 4 years younger and would probably fit in better than Marion. Nice to have a solid defender. Al can play the 6th man role and still get the minutes he deserves. Like Ginobili and all those other guys.

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Again I guess I'm cynical but I really don't believe Chris or Baron for that matter really care and there is about a 25% chance Chris will get hurt again. I really believe he should come off the bench. Baron should have been back by now. I once took the same fall he did but on concrete (thank goodness I was drunk) and I was back a lot earlier. I'm starting to change my mind and think Jordan will be ACCEPTABLE nxt yr with some work but at least he's sturdy.

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I agree......except about Kaman. The guy was really good last year but then he got hurt, and instead of taking the off season to relax he went to play for the German team. I know playing in the Olympics is a great thing, but when your job and only job is to play for the Los Angeles Clippers you need to fullfill those promises. It is like someon working at a Mazda dealership decides to work at a Toyota dealership for the summer. Although that really analogy doesn't really work that well because Kaman was HURT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The guy has been hurt all his career. I dont think I can muster up another year of him getting hurt and sitting tons of games!!
I understand what you mean and I agree too. But I'd trade him if he gets hurt for a long period of time again next season. The problem with that though is if we wait and he gets hurt again, will he still be as valuable as he is now? Still though if he can stay healthy he'll be great for us off the bench. I'm still a bit worried about Camby. He's got one more year and is only a few years away from retiring. If he leaves and we traded Kaman for someone other than a PF or C then we will have some problems. DJ has been good for us but nowhere near ready to fill the void left by Chris and Camby (if we cant get him back when his contract is up)

I totally understand man, but Kaman hasnt done much for us. Kobe wanted to get rid of Bynum and now look at him. I mean DJ has way more potential than bynum at this point in their careers. But I want to win now, im tired of waiting. Lets just trade him and get marion. I really think with Marion next year we can be so deadly. We have such a great core..we just need to get one more peice

marion's contract is up this year so anyone can have him next year, so basically we would guarantee him up until april which is pointless because we are not going to make the playoffs. also, sacramento has been offered marion for brad miller and kenny thomas, which that will probably happen since sac is rebuilding.

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http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/t ... &cash=

what do u guys think about this trade?

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I would do it, but I doubt Chicago would lol.

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i think chicago would be willing to do it because they didnt extend gordons contract last summer, so i think they are over the cap and are planning on getting rid of gordon(Ben). im pretty sure if the clipps offered that trade, then chicago could accept.

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this trade is not a good idea. sure, we get rid of some bench players who are not that good, but we give up kaman for gordon and kirk? we already have a better version of ben gordon and while kirk would provide us with some depth, we can get a lot more in return for kaman. what if ben doesnt want to resign with us after his contract is up this next season? then we trade 4 players for kirk.

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Well like I keep saying nothing is gonna happen this season. Everyone wants to see the big 3 healthy at the same time and see how they play together. Dunleavy time and time again keeps saying he wont make a move this season.

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archi ... f_big_men/

So seriously, dream if you want to (though not sure why some of you want a player who only functions well with Nash) No one is going anywhere this season.

Also at this point we shouldn't be trading and getting older at the same time. Unless we're getting a vet who can still play. Marion is far over the hill....that is unless he plays for Nash, CP3, or any other PG who can make mediocre players look amazing.

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