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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419593by EwanB » Dec 09, 2013 - 09:54 AM PST
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Heard we're interested in signing Stephen Jackson. What do you guys think of him with the clips?



                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419595by EwanB » Dec 09, 2013 - 10:04 AM PST
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Chris Wilcox, Lamar Odom, Stephen Jackson, Emeka Okafor. I think there's a chance we'll pick up one of these some time soon. I'm hoping Okafor

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419621by namzug » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:27 PM PST
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I think Okafor is out for the majority of the season.

I wouldn't mind trying to trade for Wilson Chandler, but don't think Denver would buy with Gallinari still out.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419622by namzug » Dec 09, 2013 - 12:36 PM PST
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PJ tucker with the suns wouldn't be too bad, don't know how high the suns are on him. there are some good options that can be had, especially if teams are trying to get in the lotto.

I really don't like our perimeter D and think that we really need a 3 and D type player. I think Blake and DJ get a lot of the blame when they really have to be clamp up the paint but still keep their guy out of position while rotating. I think Bynum got half his points by just creeping into position when DJ stepped up to help on penetration, by the time you rotate Bynum is already in the low post. I don't think there are too many players that are going to stop him once he's in the low block.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419626by CapsNClips » Dec 09, 2013 - 01:01 PM PST
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I hear Jason Thompson is on the trade block. Anybody know his contract situation? Maybe the Kings would take back Mullens to shed some cash, I have no idea why they'd do this, I'm just spit ballin' here.

                
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Post ID: 419628by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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PF/C who is owed 5.6 mil this year and 6+ mil for 3 more years.

                
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Post ID: 419634by TheDude » Dec 09, 2013 - 01:52 PM PST
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They'd probably do it. Problem is, we can't do uneven trades this season. We'd need to send Dudley+ Mullens at least.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419651by itsLuigi » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:10 PM PST
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i've been watching the suns lately and the morris twins are impressive wouldnt mind having one of them on this team

                
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Post ID: 419652by CapsNClips » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:14 PM PST
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I'd love Marcus Morris, PHX probably wouldn't get rid of Markeiff because he's better.

PHX owes us a solid for giving them their franchise player for peanuts.

                
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Post ID: 419653by itsLuigi » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:21 PM PST
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haha i know right is a trade for marcus even possible?

                
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Post ID: 419654by CapsNClips » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:27 PM PST
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He's making $2 mil this year and a player option of $3 mil next year. We could trade Barnes, which I would do if we pick up Stephen Jackson.

Maybe Bled would want to team up again with his old Bench Mob teammate.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 419657by itsLuigi » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:36 PM PST
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i wouldn't want to give up barnes though maybe green we should have never got dudley from them

                
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Post ID: 419661by tense2 » Dec 09, 2013 - 03:48 PM PST
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Or maybe for the 2.6 mil or so trade exception. Wink

Don't why PHX would want to give away a young cost productive player like that though. Damn...

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420066by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Dec 10, 2013 - 10:56 PM PST
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I've done this trade on espn's trade machine and it should work. DJ and Dudley to the 76ers for Thaddeus Young, Spencer Hawes, and Arnett Moultrie.

Who knows if either side would agree to this trade, but it would be interesting to see how Young fits in with this team. I think he would be a great pick up for us. It sounds like the Sixers are trying to shop him. I say we try to make a run for him.

                
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Post ID: 420068by pageC4 » Dec 10, 2013 - 11:13 PM PST
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How is Hawes defensively? He seems like he has put up good offensive numbers, but would we be giving up our defensive anchor for just a finess big man? I don't know much about Hawes that's why I'm asking.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420070by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 10, 2013 - 11:31 PM PST
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^He is sub-par at best.

                
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Post ID: 420072by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Dec 10, 2013 - 11:52 PM PST
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Unfortunately, DJ hasn't been the defensive anchor and possible defensive player of the year like Doc stated at the start of the year. If we're going to have a bad defensive team center, we might as well get one who can score from further than one foot from the basket.

And Hawes was just a name I threw in there as an after thought. Thaddeus Young is the guy I really want on this team. He's the athletic SF we've been needing for so long who could even guard bigger SG's.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420074by Dunkathon » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:05 AM PST
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Come on, none of you seriously thought DJ was going to become a DPOTY candidate in just 20 games, did you?

I do like Spencer Hawes's offensive game, but as far as I can tell, he doesn't rebound nearly as much as DJ does. I would love him as a backup, but not as a replacement to DJ.

                
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Post ID: 420076by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:09 AM PST
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No, I didn't think he could be DPOY at the start of the season and by watching him now, I don't think he'll be in that discussion any time soon. That's the whole problem.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420078by Agent0 » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:11 AM PST
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Woa, woa, DJ has his faults defensively, but he's done a LOT of good things that have allowed this team to be ranked 11th in Drtg so far. Spencer Hawes would be a nice big man to have along with Blake and DJ. If you had a 3 big man rotation of Blake/DJ/Hawes, that would be great.

The complaint from Philly is that Young isn't a SF. I don't know if I fully believe it. It's mainly about his lack of consistent range and perimeter ball handling ability. Maybe he is best used as a hybrid SF/PF off the bench where he doesn't have to play any position fully, but can play both. Young really seems to want to play SF though, he's athletic enough to keep up with them and he can use his size against most.

I like him though as he has good two way potential and he has good off-ball skills and length and defense. With that said, I wouldn't move DJ for him. In the playoffs, having a big man that can anchor your defense (and DJ is doing a good job despite having areas he can improve) is going to be more integral than having a Thaddeus Young. Also despite Young's decent 3PT%, he's just not enough of a volume 3PT shooter to draw defenders out enough and open the floor for the teams main stars.

Dudley / Young would actually be a good backup combo as their skills compliment each other. Dudley for spacing and 3PT shooting (when healthy), Young for more length, rebounding, scoring and athletic ability. Young would also give a good true, good small ball PF. I've said many times that I like multiple position players (who actually have one position they can play properly too) off the bench or just in general and that is because they save you money. If you have young, you're paying him almost $9M, but he's backing up both SF and PF.

Of course here is what Philly is looking for: -young talent + contracts that expire

All the guys the Clippers could trade expire at the same time as Young, so doesn't make sense for them to trade their 25 year old for older players with same length contracts.

                
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Post ID: 420080by Dunkathon » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:19 AM PST
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You do know only one person can win DPOTY, right? DJ's defensive improvements will come with time and patience. I'm already happy he's rebounding at a better clip than he ever has in his career thus far.

I know the last couple of games have been bad for us, but doing panic trades will not help our current situation. If DJ is still like this or worse by the end of the season, then we can think about trading him.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420081by Agent0 » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:21 AM PST
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^and while the last couple of games have been bad, they haven't been bad because of defense (oops said offense). They've mainly been bad because these guys can't hit a shot: Crawford, Green, Dudley, and even CP and Blake had struggles.

                
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Post ID: 420082by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:26 AM PST
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DJ is still a lot better than Hawes defensively. Getting Hawes would be a nice way for us to take a few steps back defensively.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420086by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:23 AM PST
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we should try trading jamal or dudley for an extra big then pick up rip hamilton to fill their void

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420087by Silasie » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:35 AM PST
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Please no. Replacing Jamal with Rip, that really isn't clever.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420088by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:45 AM PST
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hamilton isn't that bad he's bigger and can defend better i know he can't shoot like jamal but we can get a decent 4 or 5 if we trade crawford

                
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Post ID: 420089by Silasie » Dec 11, 2013 - 06:36 AM PST
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Jamal is really important to our team, a game changer/winner. Isn't Rip just a bit past it and injury prone. I want a better back up big especially at the 5 but trading Jamal is not the way to go IMO. Trading for Dudley sounds good but who going to want him when he's playing bad and injured.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420092by wessleejr » Dec 11, 2013 - 09:38 AM PST
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Between Jamal and Hamilton, i would go for Jamal but if we can get him without giving up Jamal much better.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420097by Kingkanyon » Dec 11, 2013 - 10:34 AM PST
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Rip Hamilton, really people!!!, LOL, this must be a joke right, like did anybody see his last run in Detroit and the Disaster in Chicago.... NO.

Quit talking about getting rid of Jamal as well. Why you would want to get rid of a Player who is considered the best off the bench and who's been Highly efficient and who has looked solid on "D" is freaking crazy, unless your getting a Star back this would be dumb. I'm not trading that guy, especially not for some backup big who's going to play 12 minutes a night. Calm down they'll make a sound move that won't hurt the team, and Trading Jamal would surely hurt the team.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420098by Voyeur » Dec 11, 2013 - 10:42 AM PST
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Honesty, I think we're fine with who we have. We just need our injured players back. The one exception would be if we could somehow manage to get Reggie Evans back. Otherwise, I like how our defense has improved. I like how our bench seems to have come together...at least playing a lot better than when the season started. We just have to play tougher on defense, and play smarter on offense. We have to cope in different ways until our hurt guys come back.

                
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Post ID: 420099by Silasie » Dec 11, 2013 - 10:47 AM PST
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Don't you think we need a better back up for DJ. When DJ got that little injury vs the Cavs the thought of him not playing and starting Hollins or Mullens was not a good prospect.

                
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Post ID: 420101by Voyeur » Dec 11, 2013 - 10:51 AM PST
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I still like Hollins as a back up. His only problem, and it's admittedly a big problem, is fouls. I wouldn't necessarily want him to start should DJ be injured, but I like him providing some minutes. I also like us going small at times with Blake at center. If we

                
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Post ID: 420104by Silasie » Dec 11, 2013 - 11:06 AM PST
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The rotations as they are, are good with me because now have stopped playing Mullens and started playing 'twan and the bench are beginning to gel things look good. But like I said before if DJ is out we are awfully weak at the 5 spot.

                
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Post ID: 420106by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 11, 2013 - 11:59 AM PST
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We are awfully weak at both the backup 4 and 5 spots. Hollins is a decent 2nd stringer at best. Ideally he would be a 3rd stringer on a contender. Jamison has been sub-par and seems to be underperforming though he obviously looks good in comparison to Mullens. 98% of active nba players look good compared to him.

                
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Post ID: 420108by Agent0 » Dec 11, 2013 - 12:20 PM PST
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Hamilton can't fill any void, he's washed up and injury prone now

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420119by Andrew818 » Dec 11, 2013 - 02:16 PM PST
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If Dudley doesn't improve,Stephen Jackson works out,and the rest of our wings get healthy who would consider a Dudley & Mullens for Chuck Hayes trade?That is a lot of if's and Chuck Hayes is extremely under sized but he's a very good defender and rebounder.He also hits his free throws at a good percentage.We desperately need a player like him on our bench.The Kings players seemed to like him a lot and I think he would fit in well with our locker room.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420124by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 02:59 PM PST
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^will toronto take dudley and mullens though?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420126by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 03:04 PM PST
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honestly i don't see us getting far in the playoffs without getting a quality back up 4 or 5.

                
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Post ID: 420130by TheDude » Dec 11, 2013 - 03:19 PM PST
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Why not same deal for JThompson? Younger and more athletic and we control him for 3 years under contract.

                
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Post ID: 420133by clipperboy24 » Dec 11, 2013 - 03:36 PM PST
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If Toronto would bite you do that trade no questions asked. It would be a steal! Chuck Hayes is a great defender

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420134by Kingkanyon » Dec 11, 2013 - 03:46 PM PST
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I like Chuck Hayes, I do but don't you think what they need at five is somebody over 6'11 (Ideally) and somebody who can protect the rim. I'm all for getting another 5 on the team via trade, just not for Jamal Crawford,Reggie Bullock, or J.J. Reddick.

Honestly there's allot of good young Talent we could get out of the D'League, Hilton Armstrong would be a great pickup, and I'd love to see us take a shot on Tim Ohlbrecht, and Doc has a history of plucking good players from the D'League, I'm sure if he feels the need those guy's will be first in line. But do we need a decent backup 5 to go far in the playoffs.... NO this isn't the Vinny Era, and we trust DJ so him playing 37 plus minutes is the Ideal Scenario, it was needed in with Vinny because he only played about 24 to 28 minutes. All we need in the playoffs is for our wings to play good and for DJ to be a force on defense and for Blake to play SUPER AGGRESSIVE, then we'll have a realistic shot.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420136by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 03:52 PM PST
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we should be going for players with some playoff experience.

                
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Post ID: 420146by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:23 PM PST
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There's no need for sarcastic rhetorical questions. My problem with DJ is that he'd rather go for fancy blocks into the stands than play solid defense & still be in position to rebound the ball. Blocks are overrated. I've seen the Clippers give up too many open dunks & lay ups to still believe that DJ can be a truly elite defender. He's let guys like Kostas Koufos & Mason Plumlee look all stars against him. That's not a good sign.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420147by Kingkanyon » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:29 PM PST
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No we need a good backup center, Playoff experience is over blown and overrated.

                
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Post ID: 420150by itsLuigi » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:48 PM PST
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what good is a player if he can't perform during playoffs?

                
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Post ID: 420152by pageC4 » Dec 11, 2013 - 05:55 PM PST
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That's a great point. Steals and blocks are an interesting topic. They are glamor stats that have to be evaluated in their totality. I hate it when guards will get obsessed with the steal and let their man fly by them and get easy access to the basket because they were so focused on stripping the ball.

                
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Post ID: 420154by Cliptonyte » Dec 11, 2013 - 06:06 PM PST
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So the layups and dunks are all DJ's fault? He is asked to cover more of the floor than anyone else on Defense. I haven't seen another Center in the league, that has to cover as much of the floor on Defense as DJ gets asked to do...

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420155by Cliptonyte » Dec 11, 2013 - 06:11 PM PST
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Another point is that steals and blocks are not just glamor stats. Do you realize how many altered shots those blocks lead to? You aren't figuring that into the equation. If you take away the blocks, then nobody is afraid of getting their shot blocked and their shots won't get altered.

DJ isn't a perfect defender by any means, but give it a rest.

                
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Post ID: 420160by Dunkathon » Dec 11, 2013 - 06:34 PM PST
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Well, you thought DJ was going to transform into an elite defender after only 21 games with the first coach that has actually encouraged and developed him defensively in his entire career...

As Cliptonyte mentioned, those blocks lead to altered shots. And DJ has been rebounding WAY better than he has been in the past. I couldn't have imagined him getting 21 rebounds in a game a year ago, let alone at the beginning of the season. Also, as Cliptonyte has mentioned, DJ has to cover more of the floor than anyone on defense, especially with all the injuries we've been facing.

We need to remember that this team is absolutely still a work in progress. If DJ is still equal to or worse than his current state, we can start considering trade options at the end of the season. Until then, I'm willing to give him and Doc Rivers the time they need.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420226by Steady818 » Dec 11, 2013 - 07:52 PM PST
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We just need a decent backup big man to come in and put in quality minutes for us off the bench...

                
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