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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 420962by cashdld » Dec 14, 2013 - 07:47 PM PST
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And yes that trade would leave us weak at the center position. I would try to get in the mix for Asik. I hear are rockets are looking for picks or players that could contribute for their team, i would follow that trade with Matt Barnes and 1st rounder for Asik solve our center issue post trade of course. Hypothetically speaking. potential depth chart:

CP3/Collison Reddick/Green/hardaway Melo/Jackson Griffin/Jamison Asik/Mullens



                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421010by tense2 » Dec 14, 2013 - 08:39 PM PST
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LOL at wanting Melo. Let him opt out and sign with the Lakers and when the new 2 ball rule change comes into affect they'll be a tough out. lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421048by cashdld » Dec 14, 2013 - 11:02 PM PST
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I understand Melo has his flaws and they are a cause for concern, I'm just speaking from a systematic perspective in regards to how the team is set up. doc had his most success with the Celtics when he had the big 3 or 4. Carmelo Anthony could potentially be out Paul Pierce under doc rivers

CP3---------rondo Reddick----Ray Allen Anthony----Paul pierce Griffin------KG

in no way of the imagination am i comparing players talent wise,but i feel that those player can fulfill the same roles ad they did

                
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Post ID: 421049by pageC4 » Dec 14, 2013 - 11:13 PM PST
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good summary Dude. The standing of Blake in the franchise and dominoes that have fallen since he was drafted were huge. cannot be traded

                
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Post ID: 421050by LobAngelesBlakers » Dec 14, 2013 - 11:34 PM PST
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well I am not too sure what you are trying to get at here. Without Blake, this whole team would not exist. He is the reason CP3 is here, he is the whole reason it became "cool" to like the clips, he is our most powerful marketing tool, he is our #2 guy for the past 3 seasons and these have been our best back-to-back-to-back seasons in franchise history. Blake is by far our most valuable asset and he is only 24.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421052by Kingkanyon » Dec 15, 2013 - 01:09 AM PST
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Melo vs Blake, well.... Melo is better, but I'm always going to take the young guy. Why make a trade for a guy who is almost 30 years old and give up a man who is just 24 years of age, this is the dumbest Idea ever.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421073by wessleejr » Dec 15, 2013 - 11:55 AM PST
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I don't know why people want a trade now, we have new 2 starter and a new coach yet we are above .500 and still adjusting. We are better in the first few months compared to LBJ, wade and Bosh on their first few months. How much more if we are losing 9 straight like the Miami heat. We are still in the top 8 without JJ redick lets start thinking about trading if we don't have injured player and we are still losing.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421080by ClippersDA » Dec 15, 2013 - 01:07 PM PST
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Did we blow an opportunity to get robin Lopez? He seems like he is playing really well on defense. I'm not yet sold on DJ.

                
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Post ID: 421082by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 01:31 PM PST
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So explain to me how the heck we come out of this trade with Melo AND Asik.

Btw the salary would never work out.

                
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Post ID: 421091by Agent0 » Dec 15, 2013 - 02:58 PM PST
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Robin can't play Doc's defense because big's hedge. Robin has to play in a defensive system where he plays a soft ICE because he is too slow to hedge and recover.

Clippers defense > Blazers defense, Clippers starters defense > Blazers starters defense, so I don't know, is Robin really having better defensive impact? Their percentage defense isn't bad though, but not as good as LAC and they don't rebound as well defensively, neither do they turn people over (not that you want to base your defense on that, but they are last).

Portland just has the best offense in the NBA, by a good margin. Just to understand how good it is, the gap between Portland and the next best offensive team in the NBA is the same as the gap between the 2nd best offensive team and the 12th best offensive team in the NBA.....

Clippers are the 3rd best 3PT defense so far, holding teams to 32.8%, 10th best FG% defense, holding teams to 44.5% FG, tied for 10th in Drtg (103.5, last season it ended at 103.6), but the league average offense last season was 105.9 ORtg, and it is only 104.8 this season, so relative to the league the defense isn't better than last season. The percentage defense is much better, but the team isn't the best turnover team in the league. I prefer % defense to turnover defense.

So something is being done right by someone / some people.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421092by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 15, 2013 - 03:05 PM PST
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I dunno about that but I drool when I think of the prospect of having Robin Lopez as a backup big. Don't think it was ever a possibility though.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421093by Agent0 » Dec 15, 2013 - 03:16 PM PST
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That would be awesome, but at $6M it would be too much for a one position backup. Ah well...

Kosta Koufus would be nice. Who did Memphis trade for him again? Really was hoping for the Clippers to trade for his $3M contract.

Trade Crawford and Collison for Robinson, Mozgov and Jordan Hamilton. Why Denver does it? Because they love the Clippers, duh!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421097by pageC4 » Dec 15, 2013 - 03:55 PM PST
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Byron Mullens for a McRib combo

                
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Post ID: 421098by Agent0 » Dec 15, 2013 - 03:56 PM PST
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Just the bun

                
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Post ID: 421112by A_DOG_NAMED_BUD » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:15 PM PST
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I would love Monroe on this team, even though he's more of a PF. He scores, rebounds, and is skilled for a big man. But I'm pretty sure he's one of Detroit's building blocks. Plus one of the only players that we have to offer is DJ, who is basically the same player Andre Drummond.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421113by ClipperKyle32 » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:17 PM PST
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@andrewthehan: Hey, I know it's one game, but Crawford + starters had a net rating of +53.2. Willie Green + starters: -1.0. Small sample. I know. Shut up.

                
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Post ID: 421116by Dunkathon » Dec 15, 2013 - 07:19 PM PST
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Greenmonk94 wrote:
Melo is better then Blake.. Those of u on Blake's side need to realize that this is a new culture and we want to win.. U guys are putting the same things that kept up losing, loyalty to one player and not on the fan base to win.. So I say do it.. Blake will always only be a good 3rd guy but never a number 2 option.. We may feel sad.. Heck I will.. But in the end we will be a lot better..

Yeah, if we want to win, we need to get the guy who has led his team to a 7-16 record so far.

(Yes, I know it's not entirely his fault, but he's contributed to the problem).

If you want to win, you don't put a guy like Melo on your team who refuses to share the ball. Trading for Melo makes us a lot WORSE as a team.

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. Melo isn't a chucker, he's a scorer. Too many people say that BG and CP aren't aggressive enough, but the truth of the matter is that that's just not in their game. They are pass first players. We need a player that's a superstar but also is aggressive. Melo would do that for us. Sure Mullens sucks, but who was miamis center the last 3 finals? It's not hard to get a center that's a FA to sign. Cp,Melo, and BG would make the clippers unguardable. You're basically saying you would rather keep DJ over a player who averages 26-27 PTs a night. That makes no sense

Miami's center (IIRC, it's Udonis Haslem, and sometimes Bosh) may never have been the most critical part to their success, but he wasn't a total defensive sieve (or a guy who took ill-advised shots) like Mullens.

I would rather have a center who defends and rebounds even a little bit than a ball stopper like Melo who will totally ruin offensive flow and take everyone out of the game on the offensive AND defensive ends.

But fine, let's say Melo suffers a major brain injury and suddenly decides he's willing to not only share the ball, but stop taking bad shots. Let's also say he's completely willing to submit to Doc's system and plays within his roll.

Even if all that happens, I still wouldn't trade for him. Know why?

Because Melo is a free agent this summer

If the Knicks continue on their current trajectory, he's probably going to leave, love of New York be damned. Chris and Blake would certainly be great incentives for him to join the Clippers. If he decides to join us, we can not only sign him up, but we can also do it for an amount that makes sense for the type of player he is. We wouldn't have to give anything up for him, except maybe waive a few players to clear some cap room for a good contract. All we have to do is be patient, and laugh as the Knicks continue to crumble.

In other words, there is not one single reason anyone should trade for Carmelo Anthony this season.

BTW, Asik wouldn't be a bad trade, but he would have to be the starting center. I'm currently willing to give DJ more time to improve.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421125by tense2 » Dec 15, 2013 - 08:06 PM PST
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Talking about Asik and his trade value or "cost", here's a great article from Grantland on just that and how most every team now employs people on their staffs who are using advance stat analysis in player evaluations. Things are changing fast in the sports world. http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/85751/is-anyone-w illing-to-pay-for-omer-asik

Plus it looks like Asik could be on the move...real soon: http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/12/15/5213838/omer-asik-trade-rumor -sixers-rockets-third-team-daryl-morey

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421173by austin009009 » Dec 16, 2013 - 11:35 AM PST
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sterling said there was a chance he would trade melo for blake..

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421174by austin009009 » Dec 16, 2013 - 11:36 AM PST
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he said it would help the financials of the organization

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421175by austin009009 » Dec 16, 2013 - 11:36 AM PST
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which is ridiculous cause Blake already does that

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421176by austin009009 » Dec 16, 2013 - 11:38 AM PST
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http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/los_angeles_clippers

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421177by austin009009 » Dec 16, 2013 - 11:39 AM PST
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1886 ... or-griffin

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421190by CapsNClips » Dec 16, 2013 - 12:34 PM PST
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If the Rockets do the supposed trade with the 6'ers, we should be that 3rd team. Give them Mullens for Lavoy Allen or Arnett Moultrie.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421195by Agent0 » Dec 16, 2013 - 01:27 PM PST
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Mullens for any sort of mildly valuable player doesn't seem reasonable, I think we would have to give a pick for them to take Mullens.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421196by jarca » Dec 16, 2013 - 01:31 PM PST
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Lol at the proposed BG for melo. It even suggested we have Jackson starting at 3 or 4 lol

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421198by jarca » Dec 16, 2013 - 01:38 PM PST
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Griffin for Paul George and David West. That's more like it. Lol or Griffin and Crawford or Redick for a win it now with Dwade and Bosh

                
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Post ID: 421204by CapsNClips » Dec 16, 2013 - 01:58 PM PST
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Probably, but they'd be taking on a lot of money from Asik's contract. They might want to shed some extra dough. Mullens makes less than Allen and is only on a 1 year deal.

                
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Post ID: 421206by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 16, 2013 - 02:28 PM PST
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Mullens is an excellent tank commander though. Surely that has some value? Look at his accomplishments. 1) Led the Bobcats to the worst winning % in nba history. 2) Led the Bobcats to the worst record in the league for back to back years.

GOAT tanker and on a reasonable contract. headbang

I would trade for him to tank for Wiggens(I am only somewhat serious).

Honestly though he really is a great piece to have if you want to have a top 3 pick.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421210by Kingkanyon » Dec 16, 2013 - 02:43 PM PST
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I think we should try to trade for Chris Kamen, he's unhappy on the OTHER TEAM in LA, and the Lakers are looking for back court help, maybe Willie Green and BM could do the trick, IDK.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421213by jarca » Dec 16, 2013 - 03:06 PM PST
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I want kaman just so I can say Caveman again

                
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Post ID: 421228by Agent0 » Dec 16, 2013 - 06:18 PM PST
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This is true, but that is only if you play him. He is equally awful at both offense and defense, so yes, he is the perfect tank commander.

EG: Bobcats with no Mullens are still miserable on offense, but now they are 3rd in Drtg and winning games. They are 10-14 because they are an elite defense.

Insert Mullens into the starting lineup and they would be a much better 4-20 and in the Wiggins sweepstakes. Now they might make the playoffs in the bad East and get trounced in the first round.

                
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Post ID: 421229by Agent0 » Dec 16, 2013 - 06:20 PM PST
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I can't control the drool, but that would be a REAL nice lineup. Of course might as well say trade for Lebron Sad

So sad...

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421235by CapsNClips » Dec 16, 2013 - 06:56 PM PST
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I wonder if there's any way we could beg Stern to allow us to trade with the C's.

I would love to somehow squeeze Jeff Green out of them. If they get a high draft pick this year they will most likely take a SF/PF player like Wiggins, Parker or Gordon so Green would become expendable.

This trade would have to involve heavy draft picks and either Jordan or Crawford.

This starting lineup would be lethal defensively and offensively. We could do this trade in the offseason if Stern doesn't budge.

PG: CP3 SG: Redick SF: Green PF: Griffin C: Jordan

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421247by Greenmonk94 » Dec 16, 2013 - 07:47 PM PST
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seems like the only we will do for bake is for some is who is way better then him.. i would do a aldrige for him thow.. he fits our team better i think.. we would just destroy other teams

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421248by Voyeur » Dec 16, 2013 - 08:17 PM PST
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We're just talking crazy now. How long did it take Aldridge to be as good as he is right now?

                
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Post ID: 421252by Voyeur » Dec 16, 2013 - 08:31 PM PST
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Seems like a damn shame to see guys who are as good as Kaman and Reggie Evans not being utilized at all....knowing full well they would see some decent playing time on our team!

                
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Post ID: 421255by tense2 » Dec 16, 2013 - 08:35 PM PST
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Love to have Reggie back...Kaman, meh.

                
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Post ID: 421260by CapsNClips » Dec 16, 2013 - 08:47 PM PST
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Every team in the NBA would love to have Reggie....except the Nets for some reason.

I honestly don't get it. He's one of the most unique bench players in the league. Energy/Hustle/Rebounding/Defense who couldn't use that on their 2nd unit.

                
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Post ID: 421598by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 12:25 AM PST
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They have Blatche and Plumlee has been pretty decent. Don't think it is because they don't like him, but more because they have other options.

He's played 13.5 MPG and 17/23 games.

As a Clipper he played 13.8 MPG and 56/66 games, not too different of a role.

                
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Post ID: 421602by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 17, 2013 - 12:33 AM PST
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Look at the depth the Nets have. No surprise that Reggie barely plays. Would gladly take him off their hands and offer them MULLENS!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421645by Silasie » Dec 17, 2013 - 06:06 AM PST
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Word here in Los angeles that a kobe and gasol to the clippers for a package of blake g. Is on the works, a move to give kobe a Shot for a ring again, is this all rubbish talk?

Steve Kyler

completely. That kind of deal will N-E-V-E-R happen.

Kobe has a no trade clause.

Read more at http://www.hoopsworld.com/nba-rumors-chat-121613#B8ls6kjfPzGaruJJ.99

I saw this on hoopsworld, thought you guys might like a laugh.

                
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^I think the word on the street is just delusion from Lakers fans.

The whole Lakers team isn't worth Blake Griffin and the last thing I want is a washed up Chuckbe hogging the ball and making Chris Paul play spot up shooter.

                
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Post ID: 421676by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 11:20 AM PST
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I already responded to this, and at first I thought you were going to say for McBob as in Josh McRoberts. Phew wouldn't be a bad cheap guy to get, though of course Charlotte wouldn't touch Mullens with a 10 foot pole.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421705by uncool » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:25 PM PST
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I know he's said some douschey things about us recently, but is it possible to trade Mullens plus our TPE for Kaman? I think if Mully can play at all it would be for D'Antoni & since they're not using Kaman at all... I mean I know he's awful on D but he can't be worse than Mullens...

                
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Post ID: 421707by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:28 PM PST
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Good luck with that. Trading Kobe alone is going to be pretty much impossible with that "new" horrible contract he just signed, lol. A Laker until the end. Very Happy

                
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Post ID: 421708by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 01:29 PM PST
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No, can't combine them.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421725by namzug » Dec 17, 2013 - 02:59 PM PST
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Would anybody consider trading Barnes? I love what Barnes brings to the team, but what if a deal became available is he tradable?

I know it's not likely just want to see what everyone's view on this is. My thoughts only for a John Henson which would never happen, maybe one of the Plumlee brothers. It would be interesting to see what options are out there just since Matt and Stephen are so similar in my opinion. Matt being the better cutter and more athletic, and Stephen being more of a post up wing player.

                
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Post ID: 421743by Flushyriver » Dec 17, 2013 - 04:39 PM PST
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As much trash we give BJ for his awful play, you have to give it to him that he's decent at sitting on the bench. Can't complain about his form or posture or anything. Worthwhile trade.

As for Barnes, yes I would say he's tradable. I think our moveable pieces includes everyone outside of Paul, Griffin, Jordan, and Redick. Whether Crawford's trade possibility grows or falls from his recent play is debatable. Most of our other players lack any real trade value beyond salary exchanges. That leaves: Crawford (5.25 mill), Dudley (4.25 mill), and Barnes (3.25 mill).

I guess Crawford makes the most sense to trade, but I think he's by far the most significant to our team. Then there's Dudley or Barnes, who I like to think are interchangeable beyond Dudley's "superior" shooting ability. Thus we'd more likely try to keep the cheaper option. Now to find a team that's in need of a mediocre wing player...

Some names to think about that I read in an article a little while ago: Taj Gibson (2.15 mill), Trevor Booker or one of the Wizard PFs (1.25-1.75 mill), Nazr Mohammed (1.4 mill), or Kaman (3.18 mill).

Most likely we make an undramatic trade, sign Odom, or wait for another big man to show up on waivers (e.g. Okafor).

                
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Post ID: 421751by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 06:06 PM PST
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As much trash we give BJ for his awful play, you have to give it to him that he's decent at sitting on the bench. Can't complain about his form or posture or anything. Worthwhile trade.
I love this, find the positive in the situation

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Some names to think about that I read in an article a little while ago: Taj Gibson (2.15 mill), Trevor Booker or one of the Wizard PFs (1.25-1.75 mill), Nazr Mohammed (1.4 mill), or Kaman (3.18 mill).
Taj Gibson got an extension, actually making $7.5M this year, sorry Sad. Even then, they are grooming him to replace Boozer and wouldn't think of trading him unless they are getting better.

I'll still forever not be happy about the length of Barnes' contract for his age.

Booker might be a decent option, haven't really seen him defend though. Makes $2.4M.

Kaman, oh Kaman, I wish you would just be better. He always has to do something negative to counter any good play. From his career long turning the ball over 3 times a game to his mediocre shot selection.

                
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