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Post ID: 421769by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 17, 2013 - 08:48 PM PST
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Mullens should be happy he is even in the nba collecting paycheck. Razz



                
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Post ID: 421773by Laak » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:22 PM PST
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I know teams are all business, but Barnes took less money to stay with Clips, don't really want to trade him =/

I agree with Crawford, he's too valuable to us. I don't know how atrocious our second unit offense would be without him.

Collison creates little offense, holds the ball for way too long, and in the end desperately gives the ball to Crawford so something can happen. So I'd like to see collison get moved and have Crawford as backup PG.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421777by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:45 PM PST
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Crawford is not a PG, it's not a good role for him. His least productive season in a while was with Portland trying to make him a PG. Crawford is best as a scorer playing next to another ball handler.

Honestly, I'm not sure who would have paid Barnes more at his age. I think he got his market value, arguably a bit more when you consider that he got 3 years. Only veteran teams would want Barnes anyways, so I can't see how trading him would work, but I'd like to see the team healthy before making any moves that aren't for sure upgrades.

If he is traded it would be wise to bring in someone to play a comparable role, not too many of those guys available, but position of the player is also important in terms of fit.

                
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Post ID: 421780by tense2 » Dec 17, 2013 - 09:53 PM PST
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Only "real" value in trades comes from our wings.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421781by Agent0 » Dec 17, 2013 - 10:10 PM PST
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That is certainly true. In terms of getting any player of consequence, one of the wings will have to go.

                
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Post ID: 421784by Kingkanyon » Dec 17, 2013 - 10:55 PM PST
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Can't we have a little loyalty here, I mean I want the Clipps to win as bad as anyone, just so I can shove it in the Face of my Laker,Yankee,Duke,Cowboy loving little brother, but not by trading a man who was our 2nd best player in the playoffs last year and somebody who is one of the only guy's we have at the wing who can Score and Guard for us, not to mention he took less to stay. If we really want to change as an organization you don't do shady things like that.

I'm sure Doc will make a sound decision that benefits the team and won't burn any bridges during the process, Plus there's plenty of nice Defensive Biggs on the FA market, and with this being one of the best Drafts in Decades (Next Year might be hot as well), teams will look to make some trade for the sake of Tanking, heck we could probably luck up and pluck Kanter (Pipe Dream) from UTAH as bad as he's been playing you never know, plus I'm sure they'd love to draft Julies Randle.

Top FA big Man we should sign though, BRING BACK............... BRIAN COOK, lol

                
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Post ID: 421802by Laak » Dec 18, 2013 - 10:10 AM PST
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IMO, other than CP3, Crawford is the only other player on the team who can consistently create plays for himself, and the team.

From what I've seen from the second unit, almost half the plays end up with Crawford going iso, because Collison can't create anything. Doesn't matter how ineffective he was at PG before, I still think it'll be better than having Collison.

I feel like having him play backup SG when CP3's on, and backup PG during other times would be the best option.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421829by namzug » Dec 18, 2013 - 03:42 PM PST
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In my opinion only Blake and Paul, maybe DJ are untradeable. The others depend on what you are getting back.

I only mention Barnes because of Jackson, but don't think Jackson could fill in the role.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 421830by namzug » Dec 18, 2013 - 03:53 PM PST
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Maybe with Jackson one of the other wings becomes an asset whether it be Dudley or Barnes.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422097by Clipswhit » Dec 19, 2013 - 12:49 AM PST
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We need to work on a way to get Kaman back. He's clearly not happy in his role with the Lakers. He'd make the perfect 3rd big. He can spread the floor, so he could allow DJ to play inside and Blake to dominate inside. I think Kaman and one of our two starting bigs along with the second unit could be devastating! How many 2nd teams could keep up with Kaman-----DJ Blake-------Kaman Barnes-----Barnes Crawford---Crawford Collison----Collison

I don't see the backup front court being a problem with Kaman on board. Pair that with our dominant starting lineup and we're instantly a contender. Maybe Green/Mullens and a couple of 2nd round picks? I'd even throw in a future first instead of the seconds.

                
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Post ID: 422102by Kingkanyon » Dec 19, 2013 - 01:58 AM PST
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Only way Clippers should trade their future 1st round pick is if they can get one back, I'd love to trick someone into trading their future 1st rounder for ours, I dream of Emanual Mudiay aka the 6'5 version of Russel Westbrook with Mad Handle.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422104by Clipswhit » Dec 19, 2013 - 02:41 AM PST
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^ best we get with our first for the next 4-5 years is a solid role player who makes rookie mistakes. Kaman can be that missing piece right now!

                
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Post ID: 422107by Kingkanyon » Dec 19, 2013 - 03:26 AM PST
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IDK if you follow College or High School Basket ball, but I'm not trading any 1st round pics for the next four years, not for no back up big. Looking at all the Mock Drafts, we could get a great player even as deep as we would be likely to pic. There is a reason Doc was traded for next year's first round pic and not this year's.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422120by TheDude » Dec 19, 2013 - 11:02 AM PST
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We can't even trade our 2014 1st until draft day. You have to keep one every other year. Fist one we could move in a trade now is 2017

                
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Post ID: 422123by jarca » Dec 19, 2013 - 11:36 AM PST
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Kaman is a good one on one defender. I am not against to signing him. He gets lost on the rotation though.

BTW, Nick Young is a bargain at 1.1 million a year. Swaggy P should have been a Clippers.

                
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Post ID: 422128by tense2 » Dec 19, 2013 - 11:56 AM PST
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Just sign Lamar, forget Mr Net Zero. Shaggy P...meh. He's "perfect" for the Lakers.

                
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Post ID: 422147by Agent0 » Dec 19, 2013 - 02:21 PM PST
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The options of doing some catch and shoot and the ability to play off the ball to get into his isolation spots are taken away if he's forced to bring the ball up and be the primary set up guy.

This isn't about who can create plays, but about how adding the burden of bringing the ball and setting up the offense consistently can take away from his scoring effectiveness.

                
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Post ID: 422148by Agent0 » Dec 19, 2013 - 02:21 PM PST
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loyalty after one season?

There was more loyalty owed to Bledsoe. He was very good in two playoff series and deserved more minutes in both. He should have been made starting SG.

If you worry too much about loyalty with players who have been on the team for a year, you make bad team decisions. Someone like Blake is a different situation.

Barnes has his positives, but his greatest attribute was value. Mediocre 3PT shooter, above average defender, very good rebounder, 4th/5th option level scorer, moves will off the ball. A lot of great things brought together, but not an irreplaceable player.

Meh...I don't really see where loyalty comes into play here, he was a journey man that signed for a year.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422172by namzug » Dec 19, 2013 - 03:56 PM PST
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Yeah, I definitely agree with you and usually winning cures all anyways. I just would feel for Barnes since he signed on supposedly cheap deal with us on a discount. I think it always depends on what is out there. If you can get a Plumlee and PJ tucker back for Barnes aren't almost forced to do it, or put in players that you would prefer.

I think as Clipper fans we sometimes get a little caught up with loyalty, I still want to bring in Ike Diougu and Craig Smith. I feel bad every time I see Eric Gordon or Aminu over in New Orleans. I don't get the same feel with guys that left, but I even have a soft spot for Baron. Just about everyone but Cook, I couldn't stand him.

                
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Post ID: 422188by Kingkanyon » Dec 19, 2013 - 05:37 PM PST
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Yes.. Loyalty. When someone signs with your team for less you just can't get rid of him like that it would bring all kinds of bad press and a player who might choose to come here for less in chance of winning a championship would surely think twice. Plus Barnes has been a warrior for us and I love what he brings. Now on the Subject of Bledsoe, I love Bledsoe I thought Clippers was smart to pick him, one of the best high school players going to kentucky played great behind John Wall, should've been drafted higher no doubt..... but we weren't going to be able to resign him, he'll probably get paid 15 million or more a year, and with CP3,Blake and Jordan he had to be traded, J.J Redick, Jared Dudley for Bledsoe, that was a good trade, we got the shooters we needed, and we gave Bledsoe the chance to play for a solid team, up his stock and earn more money, that seems like loyalty to me.

I'd like to keep Barnes and Trade Willie, I like willie and I hate to see that good of a player and person be subject to a bench warmer when J.J. returns, somebody like that should be playing every night.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422190by itsLuigi » Dec 19, 2013 - 05:46 PM PST
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i really like willie and what he did for us last year but if a trade were to go down and we had to trade him i would only trading him to detorit so he gets to play in his home town.

                
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Post ID: 422193by Kingkanyon » Dec 19, 2013 - 05:57 PM PST
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I wouldn't mind that either, he'd be a great fit for them, and we could probably get back a Jonas Jerebko since he's fallen out of favor in Detroit, that would be a perfect scenario for both.

                
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Post ID: 422199by tense2 » Dec 19, 2013 - 06:44 PM PST
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Love to move Willie and get Jerebko but; 1. Don't think Detroit needs or wants Willie. 2. He isn't bring us back Jerebko ($4.5) unless we throw in a whole lot more to make the $ work and still stay under the hard cap. 3. Next. Smile

                
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Post ID: 422205by pageC4 » Dec 19, 2013 - 07:04 PM PST
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I definitely agree with you on Barnes. Barnes was very crucial in our efforts last year. I kind of look at him as a poor mans version of andre iguodala, can rebound, defend, pass, and decent offense. for the 3mill+we are paying him its a great bargain. also, what Barnes did against Ibaka should send a notice to anyone looking to cheap shot our guys. this is another great thing about Barnes he is all for his teammates and repping the Clippers. we definitely got a lot from Barnes thattranscends what he does on the court

                
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Willie looked pretty good last night. Could be his shot finally falling. Not sure we could move him unless we packaged him with someone else.

                
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Post ID: 422242by Agent0 » Dec 19, 2013 - 11:50 PM PST
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I wasn't talking about trading him, I was saying he shouldn't have been signed for so long at his age. I thought you were saying that the Clippers should have been loyal to him in signing him back during the off-season. Isn't that what you were saying?

Barnes didn't sign for less last season, he wasn't getting any other offers.

                
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Post ID: 422269by Kingkanyon » Dec 20, 2013 - 01:59 AM PST
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No I was Just pointing out what I meant by being Loyal to Barnes as oppose to Eric Bledsoe whom we had no choice to trade due to the fact that we weren't going to afford him.

No Barnes Didn't sign for less last season, I don't believe I was talking about last season though. He signed for the minimum last season, "but it was still training camp during that time", he would have gotten offers. I wasn't talking about this season though, he signed for less and he gave parts of his salary to Darren Collison who also came here for less money.

                
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Post ID: 422295by CP3Heliflopter » Dec 20, 2013 - 11:54 AM PST
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I like Barnes but its the nba. There is no such thing as "loyalty" especially not for a guy who has been here for only one season and has bounced around the league.

                
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Post ID: 422315by pageC4 » Dec 20, 2013 - 04:14 PM PST
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Willie was amazing last year, so by comparison he hasn't done as well this year. even if he was doing good though he plays a position in which we are loaded at. trading Willie + another player for a back up center makes sense

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422377by Heediot » Dec 21, 2013 - 01:14 PM PST
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I'm watching out for the Nets now, if they flop hard after the Lopez injury, they have some attractive players to try and attain.

                
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Post ID: 422383by CapsNClips » Dec 21, 2013 - 02:06 PM PST
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That's what I was thinking, but then I realized they don't have a draft pick this year, so there's no reason for them to tank.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422387by Clipperjan » Dec 21, 2013 - 03:54 PM PST
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When do you think that we may make a trade/waive someone to sign a big? Will it be Odom or someone else?

                
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Post ID: 422388by Silasie » Dec 21, 2013 - 03:57 PM PST
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No idea I'm afraid, but would love to know.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422393by ClipperKyle32 » Dec 21, 2013 - 06:02 PM PST
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The Clippers are in great position! If you look at it teams are failing... BADLY! Clippers are just where they need to be! I just saw a thread that said the Warriors should Fire Mark Jackson! Luckily those days during the Vinny Del Negro era have passed for the Clippers! The Warriors remind me of the Clippers of old! Flashy! Sneaked into the Second Round last season and look like a first round exit this year! There is no way you should lose to a Spurs team with All Your Starters and they rested their 3 Best Players in Tony Parker , Tim Duncan, and Manu Ginobli! The Clippers are playing great basketball without 1 of their starters who was, is, and will be a huge offensive option! The Clippers are coming along defensively and offense has never been a problem! Jared Dudley is picking up his play and I have seen shoot more layups and make them in the past 2 games than the entire year! The Clippers are in great position and once they make some type of move for that 3rd rotation big they will be right where they to be! Anyone Agree that the Clips are right where they need to be! Playing good Defense and providing good offense!

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422406by Steady818 » Dec 21, 2013 - 07:56 PM PST
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I fail to understand the Nets honestly.. i wouldn't be surprised if they make a big trade before the deadline with somebody

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422412by Andrew818 » Dec 21, 2013 - 09:36 PM PST
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  • 4 Team Trade -

Clippers trade Jamal Crawford and Byron Mullens Clippers get Wayne Ellington and Samuel Dalembert

Mavericks Trade Wayne Ellington and Samuel Dalembert Mavericks get Anderson Varejao

Cavilers trade Anderson Varejao,C.J. Miles and Dion Waiters Cavilers get Evan Turner and Jamal Crawford

76ers trade Evan Turner 76ers get Dion Waiters,C.J. Miles,and Byron Mullens

Clippers get a solid back up big and a good 3 point shooter.Ellington has been struggling this year but I think playing with CP3 and Collison will help his percentages go up.Cavs get a very good player in Turner who I think would play very well next to Irving.They also get Crawford,who playing next to Jarret Jack would give them the best back court pairing off the bench in the league.

76ers get a young player with potential in Waiters and get 2 expiring contracts they can pair with Hawes if they decide to trade him.Also I think Carter-Williams and Waiters would play great together.And for the Mavs they get a dirty work Center to play next to Dirk.Anderson would fit in perfectly for the Mavs.

Picks would probably have to be thrown in to make each team agree but I personally think it makes each team better.As far as the money goes,the trade machine says it works. http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n7qaoqw

                
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Post ID: 422550by Agent0 » Dec 22, 2013 - 12:59 AM PST
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I would be most interested in Kirilenko at his contract to be honest, but he won't get traded with the Russian connection (and his health is always an issue)

A lot of big contracts there though

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422552by Clipswhit » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:03 AM PST
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^not gonna happen. I'll admit, my knee jerk reaction in the off season was to move jcrossover, but he's invaluable to us. We certainly can't move him for a backup big now. Edit: referring to the trade 2 posts up.

                
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Post ID: 422553by CapsNClips » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:04 AM PST
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I always love your trade proposals because they are always fair all the way around, but I'm not a fan of this from the Clippers perspective.

I just don't think Dalembert is good enough compensation for our border line All-star reserve.

I would love Dalembert on this team, but if we are giving up Jamal we might as well throw in a pick and see if we can get Waiters instead of Ellington.

                
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Post ID: 422555by Clipswhit » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:06 AM PST
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Kirilenko would be great for us, but as you said, I just don't see it. Plus, I think we're solid on the wings. I think a backup big is our main concern. While I'd a defensive big, I think we need a guy who can score and take some pressure off of Collision to facilitate.

                
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Post ID: 422556by Kingkanyon » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:09 AM PST
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Trade for Delembert? I'm all for that. Trade Crawford? Hell NO!!! he has a team friendly salary and he's probably our best Scorer, and besides that he's one of the Best scorers in the Game, you don't trade a weapon like that for a backup who will probably play 10 minutes a night, were better off staying pat. It's not like our Defense is suffering at this point.

LOL ;with this trade you have decreased the clippers win percentage by 2..... Way to go.

                
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Post ID: 422557by Dunkathon » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:16 AM PST
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Dalembert is great, but not worth a happy Crawford that likes where he is right now.

Still think our best chance for a backup big is to get Okafor if he gets bought out by the Suns.

                
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I like our JJ/Jamal combo. And I think we're just about good. Especially when JJ gets back. The bench has really tightened up. With Matt and Jackson...even Jamison I think we have some nice choices. Plus Hollins in short stretches.

                
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Post ID: 422601by Heediot » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:37 PM PST
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I would trade our TPE for a defensive backup big.

It looks like the suns will not buy out Okafor. They are doing fairly well, if they do get rid of him, it'll be a trade for a playoff push.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 422602by tense2 » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:46 PM PST
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Doc needs to convince the Nets that Mullins is their man. Trade Mullins for Reggie. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02

                
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Heck yeah! I'm all for that. lol

                
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Post ID: 422604by Silasie » Dec 22, 2013 - 01:53 PM PST
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Well that sounds perfect but it would be a pretty hard sell.

                
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It's easy...

Doc: "Hey you know how you have that 6'8 guy you never use? Well, we have a legit 7-footer who can warm the pine for you instead!"

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In truth, they will probably utilize Evans more now that Lopez is down.

                
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Post ID: 422606by jazclipcity3 » Dec 22, 2013 - 02:00 PM PST
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[quote="tense2"]Doc needs to convince the Nets that Mullins is their man. Trade Mullins for Reggie. Yellow_Flash_Colorz_PDT_02 [url=http://clippers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-viewtopic-t-1662-start-5200. html#422602]http://clippers.topbuzz.com/images/go-to-quoted-post- arrow.png

↑↑↑yes! Yes!! YES!!!! WOULD LOVE THIS! !! And Ryan what would we do with him? Haha

                
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Post ID: 422607by Silasie » Dec 22, 2013 - 02:07 PM PST
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I know the Jason Kidd is new to coaching but that line might not work Wink

                
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