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Post ID: 428987by Clipswhit » Jan 13, 2014 - 04:57 PM PST
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If Collison opts out, I hope we look closely at Aaron Craft out of Ohio. Terrible shooter, but great at running an offense and defending. Then get Gortat with the full MLE and get another defensive big as insurance. 3 big rotation of DJ/Griffin/Gortat always gives us at least 1 scoring option up front. Back court pretty much stays the same, but with Paul and Craft, our pg will always put the ball where it should be, and will be a stellar at locking down the other teams PG. All we'd be missing is a lockdown wing, but JJ, Dudley, Barnes, and Bullock are all + defenders who can shoot, so we should be fine without one.

DJ/Gortat/Minimum Griffin/Gortat/Minimum(Reggie Evans?) Dudley/Barnes/Bullock Redick/Crawford/Bullock Paul/Craft/??



                
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Markojaric
Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 428990by Markojaric » Jan 13, 2014 - 06:00 PM PST
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Nobody is gonna trade DJ for a lottery pick. Collison has a PO? Damn, I thought he had a team option. But a backup PG aint hard to fin. A backup big, on the other hand...

Id gladly trade our pick for Mozgov, Koufos or Biyombo. And then maybe look out for a guy in the free agency like Lamar, Bynum or Amundson.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 428995by Dunkathon » Jan 13, 2014 - 06:12 PM PST
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You're all aware we can't trade our 2014 pick, right? We already traded our 2015 pick for Doc. If we want to trade for someone, it'll have to be a player or our extension.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 428997by Markojaric » Jan 13, 2014 - 06:16 PM PST
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Crap. Thank you Ted Stepien. Forgot the Doc pick. and 2017 seems very far.

                
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Post ID: 429001by Agent0 » Jan 13, 2014 - 06:48 PM PST
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we don't have a pick to trade, but Memphis with Gasol out, Denver with McGee out, and Charlotte with a limited amount of serviceable big men probably won't trade their guys for what will be a mid 20's draft pick.

You aren't that likely to find bigs as good as those guys at those drafts spots.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429004by Markojaric » Jan 13, 2014 - 08:16 PM PST
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I know, but dumb GMS exist...one can hope. But we cant trade the pick anyway

                
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Post ID: 429006by ClippersDA » Jan 13, 2014 - 08:29 PM PST
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I would take Danny green for sure but no way spurs do it.

                
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Post ID: 429026by itsLuigi » Jan 14, 2014 - 12:21 AM PST
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spurs need another small forward. we can probably trade dudley for green and ayres

i was checking jeff ayres stats and he got 9 rebounds in 11 minutes against dallas. we could really use that

Edit: just found out danny green is injured.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429192by CapsNClips » Jan 15, 2014 - 02:19 AM PST
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I hate Peter Vecsey so much. Apparently he and his sources didn't get the memo that we can't trade with Boston.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429193by Icecoldclipper » Jan 15, 2014 - 03:08 AM PST
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Makes no sense to trade for a guard with Paul/Collison/Redick/Crawford/Green/Wayns

                
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Post ID: 429195by Kingkanyon » Jan 15, 2014 - 04:49 AM PST
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CapsNClips wrote:

I hate Peter Vecsey so much. Apparently he and his sources didn't get the memo that we can't trade with Boston.

We can trade with the C's, we just can't trade for Paul Pierce or KG, because they were mentioned in the Trade for Doc.

I love Jordan Crawford, but I don't know how he fits into the system, He's been a revelation all year for the C's, but he's no good off the ball, well let me not say that, He's not as good off the Ball.

                
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Post ID: 429197by Silasie » Jan 15, 2014 - 07:09 AM PST
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He can ball. Like you say not sure he fits with the Clips but I'd love it if he did.

                
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Post ID: 429201by clipperboy24 » Jan 15, 2014 - 10:06 AM PST
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We would probably be trading green and getting rid of way s. doc does love his small ball lineups. Who knows maybe we are planning on trading jamal crawford

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429202by namzug » Jan 15, 2014 - 10:07 AM PST
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I had understood that we can't trade any players with Boston for the entire season.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/06/26/r ... 14-season/

                
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Post ID: 429234by Agent0 » Jan 15, 2014 - 12:07 PM PST
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Sadly teams have been getting rid of them. Someone needs to get Bryan Colangelo back in a front office! Icecold is correct, makes no sense to get additional guards that require minutes when everyone is healthy and giving up assets to do so unless the guards are better than the current backups and/or being move for them.

The team already has the rotation of: Paul / Collison Redick / Crawford

There's no room for another PG or SG if everyone is healthy, just the 3rd string injury replacement guys. Remember that the small ball with Green again was only happening because Barnes AND Reggie were out and there was only one SF on the team (Dudley).

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429239by EwanB » Jan 15, 2014 - 12:27 PM PST
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Joel Anthony if he's waved anyone? seems like the perfect fit to me coming off the bench for DJ

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429247by clips15deep » Jan 15, 2014 - 01:12 PM PST
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I think we should try and get Timofey Mozgov, he is the perfect fit for our bench. Originally I saw that on Bleacher Report but now that I look at the numbers he is exactly what we need. He is a shot blocker, rebounder, and 75% free throw shooter.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429250by TheDude » Jan 15, 2014 - 01:17 PM PST
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was watching another hilarious Laker game last night and it made me think about Sacre. Dude is kind of clumsy sometimes but young, legit 7ft., strong, and doesn't make many mistakes. I think he'd be a good back up for us. Lakers probably wouldn't trade with us but I'd at least think about a trade that involved Bullock...Maybe they give a 2nd round pick and XHenry. Assuming Antoni would rather have Bullock for 4 years vs. Sacre for 3years.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429251by ClippersDA » Jan 15, 2014 - 01:20 PM PST
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I'm starting to feel like we have the least imaginative front office in the league. Warriors always making good trades.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429252by Markojaric » Jan 15, 2014 - 01:25 PM PST
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Warriors just made out like bandits with that trade. I cant believe it. Im kinda pissed and upset about this.

Well, patience is the name of the game. Hoping a serviceable big man is available. Thats whats Doc is doing. Not rushing things.

                
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Icecoldclipper
Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429254by Icecoldclipper » Jan 15, 2014 - 01:32 PM PST
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We need a clean up the extra space type deal more than anything in the front court. If we upgrade at C then I believe Mullens and Jamison or Hollins should be gone to keep roster flexibility with productive players. Problem with that is Mullens has a player option for next year and Hollins has to approve a trade he is in from what ESPN trade machine is saying.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429258by Markojaric » Jan 15, 2014 - 02:02 PM PST
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Hollins has a no trade clause? LMAO x 6 x 10^23

                
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Post ID: 429264by MunoValente » Jan 15, 2014 - 02:21 PM PST
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Isn't he pretty much just an expensive Ryan Hollins? Some length and mobility to challenge shots, but a weak rebounder and no offensive game. At least Hollins can throw down some lobs on occasion and is paid next to nothing.

                
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Post ID: 429274by EwanB » Jan 15, 2014 - 03:24 PM PST
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Just throwing the idea out there. Agreed he's not the best back up C and hasn't got much offensive game, but I would say he's a better post defender than Hollins. If we could get him cheap it might be worthwhile

                
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Post ID: 429277by Agent0 » Jan 15, 2014 - 03:39 PM PST
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Mozgov plays 20 MPG for Denver. McGee is out indefinitely, doesn't make much sense for them to trade him for any LAC player.

All the positions we have available, they have as good or better players. What they need right now is to package a couple of players for one higher level player.

I wanted the Clippers to sign him in summer and would like him, but it isn't likely realistic except maybe through some sort of three way.

                
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Post ID: 429279by CP3Heliflopter » Jan 15, 2014 - 03:43 PM PST
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Sad thing is Sacre is 2x better than any of our backup "bigs".

                
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Post ID: 429281by CapsNClips » Jan 15, 2014 - 03:48 PM PST
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Ouch! That hurts cause it's so damn true.

                
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Post ID: 429288by Icecoldclipper » Jan 15, 2014 - 04:23 PM PST
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If the info is right about the one year bird right. I doubt the team looks to deal him anyway with his flaws he is a good third string big practice guy. Mullens would be the much needed player to move in a salary dump.

I would pass on Joel just not going to be worth it. If we are looking for a big body rather grab Brown for defense with size. I would be on the get Okafor thing but I doubt Phoenix lets him go and help another team.

Sacre doing well you can tell Mike D greatly prefers him over Kaman. Its about using your second rounders and giving them a chance to blossom. Hope the front office does a better job of letting the second rounders develop in the future. Outside of Trey Thompkins I think we give on guys before we can really test them out like when injuries hit.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429291by Andrew818 » Jan 15, 2014 - 04:43 PM PST
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Wondering if either team would consider trading Collison for Reggie and Livingston.The Nets were trying to trade for Kyle Lowry for some reason.I guess they want a better back up PG since D.Will has had some injury problems.Also Reggie isn't getting as much playing time as he was last year since the Nets are trying to use Blatche,Plumlee,and Teletovic more.I think they would be more than willing to make the trade.

And for us I would be a lot more comfortable with Jamison and Mullens chucking up three's if I knew Reggie was down there fighting for every offensive rebound.And Livingston has been good this season.Not a shooter but a good drive and dish guard who can get our guys some open shots by attacking.To make they money work we can either use the Bledsoe TPE or we could try and include one of our bigs.

Collison has been great for us but with CP3 hopefully returning soon,Collison's minutes are going to be cut back.Also rumor is that the Heat are going to release Toney Douglas so they can sign Bynum.That means we could possibly sign him and have Douglas and Livingston eat up the minutes at PG until CP3 is back.Thoughts?

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429308by austin009009 » Jan 15, 2014 - 05:42 PM PST
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why would we trade collision right now... livingston is not nearly as good as collision and reggie really doesn't help the team as much as we feel

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429309by austin009009 » Jan 15, 2014 - 05:43 PM PST
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hollins has a no trade clause.... haha.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429310by austin009009 » Jan 15, 2014 - 05:43 PM PST
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nobody would want to trade for him anyway

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429312by austin009009 » Jan 15, 2014 - 05:44 PM PST
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no way we are trading collision after the way he is playing right now and without cp for another 5 weeks

                
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Post ID: 429355by TheDude » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:07 PM PST
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Is that for real about Hollins? How does a fringe NBA player get a no trade clause???? I thought Kobe and KG were the only guys in the league that had that. Maybe it's a bird rights thing.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429366by pageC4 » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:28 PM PST
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Trevor Ariza for Matt Barnes and Jared Dudley works on the ESPN trade machine. Our projected winnings are +4

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429371by cashdld » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:47 PM PST
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i suggested it a while back but how about a trade of crawford,mullens, jamison and dudley for wilson chandler, darrell arthur, mozgov and a second round pick. then we sign shannon brown and bynum to fill out the roster.

cp3/collison JJ/Brown/bullock chandler/barnes/turkoglu BG/arthur/turkoglu Deandre Jordan/Bynum/mozgov/hollins

                
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Post ID: 429373by pageC4 » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:50 PM PST
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most scenarios trading away Dudley seem good to me. But I doubt he's going anywhere...book it.

                
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Post ID: 429374by Agent0 » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:52 PM PST
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Trevor Ariza is nice, really nice, I've touted his horn a lot, but he has had injury problems in the past, so you probably don't want to trade both your SF's in order to get him. That's not saying you shouldn't trade for him, but keep insurance..

I think Washington is kinda starting to like him a lot though, and of course from their perspective, they don't need two extra SF's. They are already not playing their lottery pick Porter who is a SF because they have Ariza and Webster who can both play SF. So yea, Washington has no incentive to get longer contracts (Ariza is expiring) of players who are both individually inferior to Ariza just to help LAC.

                
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Post ID: 429375by tense2 » Jan 15, 2014 - 08:52 PM PST
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Good. Hope you're are right.

                
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Post ID: 429380by pageC4 » Jan 15, 2014 - 09:02 PM PST
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Bynum is the guy that I'm very surprised still hasn't been offered a position anywhere. There must really be some issues there.

                
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After tonight game againts Mavs, I say we really need Bynum.

                
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Post ID: 429901by cleepers » Jan 16, 2014 - 12:58 AM PST
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I say we need a practice that focuses on defense. For this game at least, we had the personnel, just not the execution.

                
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Post Subject: RE: Official Los Angeles Clippers Trade Ideas Thread Post ID: 429959by Andrew818 » Jan 16, 2014 - 11:52 AM PST
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Would love to do a Crawford and Dudley for Hickson and Chandler trade but I don't think the Nuggets would ever go for it.

                
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Post ID: 429997by CapsNClips » Jan 16, 2014 - 04:16 PM PST
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Hmm I don't think Nuggs would do this and I'm not sure I'd do it either. That would mean Bullock would be our first SG of the bench. I'm not sure he's ready to be a relied upon scorer on the 2nd unit just yet.

What about Tony Allen straight up for Jamal? Courtney Lee is playing good for the Grizz and maybe they like his ability to actually score.

We could use Tony in the playoffs against Parker, Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Dame and hopfully D Wade or Geaorge.

                
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Post ID: 430023by itsLuigi » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:16 PM PST
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i wouldn't mind going after tony allen i think he would be great on our team. i also wouldn't mind going after battier or shawn marion. i think a trade for either is possible if we bring in a third party.

                
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Post ID: 430025by CapsNClips » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:22 PM PST
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Marion would ideal IMO. He can guard the best player on the opponents team 1-4. He would be very handy in the playoffs and he's a GREAT rebounder.

He can't really shoot from 3 which would be a concern for floor spacing purposes.

                
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Post ID: 430027by itsLuigi » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:27 PM PST
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yeah that is the only down side but he's shooting at his best from three this year.

i think the tony allen and battier are probably more realistic trades though. we can probably trade barnes for battier or crawford for tony allen stragiht up.

                
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Post ID: 430028by tense2 » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:40 PM PST
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Not sure why Miami or Dallas would make those deals as it would not make them any better. Plus both are expiring contracts. Marion's contract is 9+mil and it would be difficult to make the dollars work anyway. Won't happen IMO.

Allen (32) would be great (although he just signed that 4 year 20 mil contract) and maybe Memphis would want to rid themselves of that by taking on Jamal.

                
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Post ID: 430033by itsLuigi » Jan 16, 2014 - 06:47 PM PST
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yeah marion is a long shot but i still wouldn't mind having him and resigning him for cheaper next year. miami might make the trade, battier isn't really getting that much playing time with james jones and beasley coming in for lebron.

and for the tony allen i would bring in a third party because i wouldn't want to see jamal as a grizzly in the playoffs. that would be scary.

                
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Tony Allen is signed for 3 more seasons after this at $5M/year, so I'd pass on that.

The proposed trade is weird because one gives up assets to get Mozgov then sign Bynum and make Mozgov your third big making like $4M. Seems like a waste. Then you backup SG's are the not yet signed Shannon Brown and Bullock who I like but is a rookie still.

Seems like the roster isn't actually better balanced cause Chandler might not be as good as he's being given credit for. I do like Mozgov, but what's the point of getting him if he is big man #3?

If were thinking some good value trades:

Matt Barnes and Byron Mullens for Elton Brand Jamal Crawford and Willie Green for Trevor Ariza

Chris Paul / Darren Collison J.J. Redick / Reggie Bullock Trevor Ariza / Jared Dudley Blake Griffin / Hedo Turkoglu DeAndre Jordan / Elton Brand

Why for Washington: They are 20th in Ortg and one of the worst in the league in bench scoring / bench offensive production. They even tried putting Nene on the bench to alleviate that. This gives them a bench scorer / creator, and they can insert Martell Webster into the starting SF role. They loose Ariza's defense though, and you'd have to wonder if they would be pleased with that.

Why for Atlanta: No reason, it was just a trade that works for the Clippers and I wasn't thinking about Atlanta,mso someone would have to tell me.

Why for LAC: They get an athletic wing who can defend and also hit 3's at a high level. They also get a solid big man who can rebound, defend, hit mid-range shots and play both the PF and C spot. The possible extra pressure on Bullock to perform is alleviated by the fact that you can play Ariza/Dudley together at SG/SF. LAC also has the fact that Ariza is a free agent after the season and will need to be re-signed. Can you get him back for like $6-7M per year?

Why not for LAC: They loose a dynamic scorer and shot creator off the bench in Jamal Crawford, as well as the fact that he is a good spot up shooter. They now will have to rely on Collison (16/4/5 per 36 this season which is good) to lead the offense when the bench is in, though I suppose possibly with the help of Turkoglu also if he pans out. They do add Dudley to the bench, and the all bench lineup actually doesn't look bad with: Collison/Bullock/Dudley/Hedo/Brand

How realistic: Not very

                
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