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namzug
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I don't think we could do that trade even if we wanted to, just due to the fact that it involves someone that was on the Boston squad during the offseason.

Anyways let's do this:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=qyyt52c

Add Ivan Johnson, and then we can say dynasty!

I wish!

(I know this would never happen, but I can dream right)

namzug
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine

Or this just fill in the blanks with best available playing in D league or Overseas or aging veterans. Dynasty, haha.

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I guess you are speaking of Dudley. if so the notion that Dudley could guard Durant is laughable. Dudley is so slow and nonathletic that he only hurts a defense. He's an intelligent player but he's so limited athletically that he's really a poor defender and the notion that he is some kind of "stopper' makes him about the most overrated defensive player in the NBA. Stop looking at stats because defense is played by teams who are constantly switching and double teaming. He doesn't pass the most critical test of them and that is the eye test. one can plainly watch and see that Dudley is not a good defensive player.

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I agree with you on Dudleys defense. I watched the replay of the Toronto game and he was very sluggish. the person he would cover would often fly past him.

ClipperKyle32
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Ivan Johnson got waived by China Team I think. Is he a suitable option for anyone?

06clippersfan
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We need to trade Dudley and Barnes. They are both playing horrible!!

They both look very slow and cannot defend anyone. They each get beat off the dribble a few times a game.

We need someone who can defend the elite SF like Durant, James, and George.

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Dudley is fine but Barnes, hey he is better than any back up, I am glad you don't have any position in the clippers management, some of poster here want to trade Jamal when he is our number one scorer in our bench, our PG, SG, PF and center is already good except SF, what we need is big back up and a better SF starter.

Diamond909
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Mullens needs to go and maybe jamison were not using him and yes he has vet knowledge but still

jarca
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One is a streaky shooter and the other is streaky defender. Trade them for a complete SF

jarca
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Dudley is not fine. He's been demoted and he's earning 4.5 mil per year to play 13 mins

MunoValente
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George has done well against us, but Durant hasn't done any better against us than against other teams, James actually did worse against than he usually does. Melo hasn't done great against us either. We also currently lead the league in opposing 3 point percentage. We've occasionally had guys like Ross go off on us, but that happens to everyone.

Everyone in the league gets beat off the dribble these days, especially trying to defend guys like George, the key is to use your help defenders and for the whole team to make their rotations and for the most part we've done pretty good at that. Our big weakness on defense is our defensive rebounding. Some of that is Dudley, Crawford and Redick, but a lot of it is Hollins, Turkoglu and the other dreck that have played up front. We can easily upgrade our defensive rebounding without making a trade, there are several freely available players that are much better rebounders than Hollins, Turkoglu and Jamison.

MunoValente
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How many minutes should you play guy that has been injured all year, on the last game of a long road trip that you are winning by huge blowout?

If anything he's played too much this year and he needs way more rest that he's been getting, but unfortunately none of our other guys have stepped up. I thought we should have sat him completely for the game against the Raptors, there was no way he was going to look good on the second game of a back to back near the end of long road trip. Weirdly enough for as sluggish as was the last few games, his on/off numbers were really good, he was total +34 in 32 minutes combined in those games, so he didn't really hurt us too badly, despite clearly moving around like a slug and barely shooting.

I'd still prefer him to sit back to backs and be limited to about 15 minutes until after the all-star break though, but we need Barnes to play well to make that work.

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I wouldn't mind cutting Jamison if Doc is confident in Turkoglu, we don't really need two floor spacing bigs who are weak interior defenders and poor defensive rebounders and so far Turkoglu has been the better of the two in that role.

I'd like us to cut Mullens and/or Jamison and bring in both Odom and Johnson, then drop Hollins down to the very bottom of the bench. We should be able to afford both and stay under the tax apron.

jarca
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It's his choice to eat and munch in the offseason then came in pudgy. So if weight was a factor for his tendinitis then it's his fault

MunoValente
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The tendinitis also could also be factor in him being heavier (if he actually is heavier than usual, I don't even know if that is true, he was pretty wide bodied with the Suns too). The guy couldn't fully extend his leg at the start of year, maintaining NBA level conditioning with that sort injury is tough.

Either way though, whether it's his fault or not, he's hurt so he should play less until he's doing better, and there is no need to play heavy minutes in games like the ones against Bucks. Barnes should be capable of playing 30 minutes for a while, Dudley was doing it at the start of the year when Barnes was out and maybe more playing time might help Barnes find the consistency he had last year.

06clippersfan
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Yes! Exactly! We need a complete SF to be able to compete for a championship. I just don't see Matt Barnes or Dudley being able to stop a Lebron or George or Durant.

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Yea, it's certainly possible that it was an inverse thing. Got the tendonitis, couldn't do as much conditioning, got fatter, that excercabated the injury and the end result is what we have now.

Teams contain (no one stops) superstar players, not an individual, but an individual can maybe help contain better than others. Bulls did well, but without the team the individual would be dead. Remember, this was Indiana's attempt at Lebron:

29 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 5.3 APG, 51% FG, 44% 3PT

...and they have Paul George. Also remember that after sucking the first three games, Lebron did 32/10/7 in 45 minutes with a .575 TS%, 120 Ortg in he last 4 games vs SA. Now, if you can get him to sucks for 3 games though, that will help you over a 7 game series and SA was very close.

Also some players just have certain matchups that are better / worse for them. The Clippers guys have actually done a decent job, so I'm not going to fear that they would be worse than the verge team is against those guys. Paul George has beat on a lot of teams and a lot of good SF's.

Best case scenario is having a defensive guy who is also a runner on offense because that will also put pressure on the SF to defend. I'm not sure such a player is available for the Clippers this year though.

Dunkathon
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People here were talking about regretting the team not getting Trevor Ariza, so I set out to perform a trade that would fix both the small forward and backup big problems in one fell swoop.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lwfnh5r

This would not only get us a great small forward, but also the backup big we need. What does everyone think?

tense2
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Detroit wouldn't do it....their getting f#%ked. lol

wessleejr
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I just answered 06clippersfan about trading Dudley, what I mean when i said Dudley is fine is I'm fine trading him but not Barnes. Smile

itsLuigi
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k84brw6

Agent0
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What is the true return value of Mullens (useless), Green (nice veteran filler) and Dudley (recovering from injury shooter)?

What is Detroit gaining here? They would want some good return for Monroe.

For them, the trade is:

Greg Monroe for Willie Green / Byron Mullens lol

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People want to trade Jamal not because they don't like him, or because they think he's not performing, they know he has the greatest trade value. I love Jamal, but if trading away Jamal would get us an elite SF I would be for it.

tense2
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He has the "greatest" trade value from what we can afford to trade, but he won't bring a "elite" SF by his own in any trade.

wessleejr
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Well if we can get a SF that can do more than our SG like Jamal can do, can play ball and score that's good but our SG position is already good put it that way and focus to our problem in SF. Our 4 position is fine except SF, and I believe Doc knows that. If we will trade Jamal who will replace him? Willie Green, Ok lets say we trade jamal and now we fix our SF position what will happen to our SG we will do a trade again to get another good back up? IMO Jamal skill is as good as starter.

Voyeur
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That's a tough one because I really like our occasional 3 guard lineup of Paul, JJ and Jamal. Not a lot of rebounding there, but the firepower is crazy.

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...and therein lies the issue. Can Jamal be traded in a realistic trade where the returns are worth it?

Elite is obviously not realistic, cause the elite SF's are not even being traded in general, but a very good one could be, but it would make more sense is Collison was a PG/SG and could play alongside Paul and take some of Jamal's duties, but he really isn't.

A SF that can do what Jamal can do as wessleejr said probably isn't being traded for Jamal since Jamal still is 33 years old, and also because that SF probably makes a decent amount more money than Jamal does.

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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... eg-monroe/

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... gh-on-him/

Detroit is gaining something instead of nothing. If they're not willing to give him a max contract, he'll be gone the instant some team throws him one when he becomes a restricted free agent. Washington and a few other teams want Monroe, and they'll poach him without having to give up anything come next year if Detroit doesn't deal him.

Of course, if we REALLY went into fantasy mode, the Clippers could be the ones getting Monroe instead.

Or maybe I'm just trying to rationalize a trade that will probably never happen and should just go back to studying instead.

tense2
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Yes , I think studying will produce a much more fruitful reality then this trade. Very Happy

Agent0
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I don't think Green and Mullens count as something. They are better off just letting him go. They can easily get a player like Green anytime they want, and Mullens is a negative anyways.

Also, if they actually wanted to trade him, there are much better offers out there.

In the end, Josh Smith sucks too. At the least we ca be happy that we didn't sign a player that 90% of our fans now despise half-way into the season for $13.5M/year, lol

Joe Dumars is clueless about player fit.

tense2
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Yep, there are still some GM's out there that you can take advantage of.

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No the Problem is the Pistons Have Better offers, plus they still hold value in Monroe, their only reason for trading him is because they have committed to Josh Smith as the Face of their Team and seeing as he's not a Great Shooter and not even a good enough shooter at the Small Forward Spot, they want to move him to PF and since Andre Drummond has sorta panned out like they hoped, Their looking to Trade him for a SF or Most likely a SG. But here's why we could never be able to trade for him.

Orlando is offering up Arron Aflalo and New Orleans is Offering up Eric Gordon, and they probably have allot of other good offers. The only thing we could do in a Monroe Trade Scenario is Be a part of it, but we will not be the ones getting Monroe.

I hear people talking about Joe "D", lol, really people, the Piston's have a bright future, they have a PG who can score and is Top 5 in ast, they Have a center who will be one of the Best Big Man in the league in the Future and Probably is "Right Now", They have a good Bench, their's nothing wrong with their team really, and Especially given that Joe has been rebuilding the Team for only a few years now, but they've Drafted Well and and for my money they've Signed some good FA, They're kinda were we were before we took the Assets we assembled over the Years and flipped it for CP3 and then turned around and took another Asset and flipped it for J.J. Redick. Trust me they'll be more than fine.

But I would love to Trade Willie Green to Detroit For Jonas Jerebko, that would be good for both teams.

And yes Mullens Has value, you have to understand that most team's don't run the Same Defensive system we run, Mullens Might not be a good defender in Doc's System but he could be good in another, he's still a above average Offensive player, but if their was a player on our team that has no Value, it's Ryan Hollins, he Fouls and Fumbles the Ball, not really a good combination.

Agent0
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Jennings isn't really playing that well, assists are nice and all, but turnover prone, poor shot selection, awful finisher at the rim, inefficient scorer, below par defense, averaging nice assist numbers doesn't cover all that. Smith wasn't a good signing when you have Monroe and Drummond, made no sense unless Joe D just never watched his game or was just thinking of how he could sell some tickets and a guy who gets some dunks came to mind. He gave $10M to Ben Gordon the last time he had cap space when he had Hamilton and an emerging Stuckey. He....

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itsLuigi
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we should package mullens and antwan or hollins for another third stringer just to make room for another big

Heediot
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Dumars should stick to drafting, his FA signings are horrid.

MunoValente
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Or just cut them. Fairly sure we can cut them, sign two guys at prorated minimum and still be under the tax apron.

Icecoldclipper
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Finding a trade to dump Mullens and Jamison would be an amazing steal those two are wasting space. Doc knows damn well that "preserving Jamison" crap has worn out he is not going to do anything different.

Clipperjan
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According to ESPN's Marc Stein, Andrew Bynum is still reportedly asking teams for more than the minimum salary. This explains why after three weeks he has not been signed. Looks like he is waiting for the money instead of just wanting to play basketball. This shows that he may not be that motivated to play. But it is a long drop from 6 million a year to 1 million or so a year

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Mike Antoni

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Who's that?

Diamond909
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Naw, not this dude! http://cdn.na16.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/mike-dantoni .jpg haha!

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Lol has anyone seen this! Omg... The dancing hedo http://extramustard.si.com/2014/01/30/nba-posts-weird-video-of-dancing -hedo-turkoglu/

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I see a light at the end of the tunnel...Aaahhh...It might be a train though.

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Ok so Charlotte wants to be a buyer this season. Denver has a disgruntled PG and might be a lottery team this year.

Charlotte gets Dudley, Andre Miller, and Darell Arthur

Denver gets Ben Gordon, Willie, Bullock and a 1st from Charlotte

Clips get Wilson Chandler and Brendan Haywood.

I'm assuming Haywood can play now. He's been out 16 weeks at this point after they said 12weeks on the broken foot.

We'd have to make another move most likely, waive or trade Hollins or Jamison and get a 5th wing somehow but bigs depth would be good with Hedo and Haywood and we'd have a real starter at SF.

comeONcraig
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By the power of the NBA fairy, only if there was a way to trade Mullens for Jeff Green. Haha. Come on Ainge, bite on this trade.

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I do not watch the Nuggets as much, but can someone tell me and explain who would be the best option? Wilson Chandler or Trevor Ariza? I know Wilson is good offensivley , but how....

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namzug
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kk8sjwd (this is my favorite trade so far)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=py974s2 (I think everyone get's what they want)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mwrhpyg (this one doesn't make the most sense, and I don't really know how I ended up with it)

MunoValente
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This year's version of Ariza is better. He's more efficient, a better defender and better rebounder.

Chandler I think is a little overrated because he shoots lot, but he's not terribly efficient. He's an ok rebounder, he's a versatile defender, but I think he's more a solid defender than a great one. Overall I think he's sort of like last year's version of Barnes, but trading shooting efficiency for volume.

Ariza's problem is his year to year consistency, this is the first time he's shot good in like 5 years.

I don't think either player would really be available though. The Wizards will likely make the playoffs and would keep Ariza and Denver will probably keep fighting until end.

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^ Luckily for us Ariza was 0/6 from 3 last night Very Happy

namzug
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I think Chandler is a more efficient shooter than what his percentage shows, but he doesn't benefit of having a star to take pressure off of him. The stats do point to him being a less efficient shooter. I think he is a good defender, not a stopper, but a good defender.

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