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namzug
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Too bad trades within the division are close to impossible, because if they weren't we could try something like this

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nthmf3v

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With this trade we already give the pacific division champion to Warrior, we solved the SF position but we lost a number one nba reserved scorer. congats!! our SG reserved is Willie Green. Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

Jamal 18.1pg 3.1 apg (as SG)

H Barnes 10.1 pg 1.5 apg (as SF)

J Dudley 8.2 pg 1.6 apg (As SF)

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i honestly don't think we need to do a trade and if we do we don't need anything major.

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@wesleejr that would be a steal for us, and Goldenstate would never do it. I'm a Harrison Barnes fan, but I think if there was opportunity for that trade you have to do it. That would lock up the 3 position for the next few years, with someone who is big enough to play small ball 4 convincingly.

Those stats don't really do anything, H. Barnes is showing to be a solid shooter with more skills. Go look at Kobe's, Paul George's, Chandler's, Gallinari's stats their first two years. Has shown glimpses of being a good defensive player. With some good coaching, he can be a great player. Look below if you want to check it out.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/pla ... mp;y6=2009

I think once CP3 comes back you can have DC fill in the role of bench scorer. I like Jamal, but if you say I can get a good young player that could end up being a great player you do it.

To top it off we get an upgrade to back up our bigs. GoldenState would laugh at this trade, they would never do it.

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Yeah I don't think a trade is really necessary. Our problem with the front court could be solved with free agents like Bynum / Ivan Johnson.

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I really really want Michael Kidd-Gilchrist. He'd cost an arm and a leg, but I think he could be our Tony Allen on defense.

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I like Kidd-Gilchrist too, he'd also be a perfect person to work with Bob on his shooting. If he develops a shot he can be an all-star.

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@namzug: what do you mean stat doesn't mean anything, that's how they performed, why there's a lot of ex- NBA superstar in china right now because their skill diminished, their stats drop to the bottom. You want to fix our #3 position but lost our reserve #2. unless Barnes will score 25 points per game.

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He'll never do that lol barns ha!

namzug
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Those specific stats don't show anything, because they are in different context (starting, more minutes, different roles). We just lost CP3 for weeks and are still getting production. how can you not think that improving our 3 position with a younger good player that can shoot the 3 just as good as our current 3 not be an improvement. I'm saying Barnes has potential to be a breakout star, who is now stuck behind Iggy due to them wanting to win now.

I like Jamal, but think him and DC cancel each other out on the bench. So I think DC would score more.

So if what you are asking is which is greater?

CP/DC

JJ/RBullock/WGreen

HBarnes/MBarnes/HTurk

Blake/Hturk/Antawn

DJ/Harrelson

is better than what we have then yes.

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I love Harrison Barnes, but I don't see the need to Trade for him, especially when he is nowhere near the player Jamal Crawford is, witch is a top 10 SG in the NBA maybe even Top 5, who comes off the bench but in a reality is a Starter because of the minutes he plays. Plus will Golden State really be able to keep Barnes when he becomes a restricted Free Agent, with Curry, Klay,Lee,Andrew, and Iggy, it's more than likely they won't be able to match the Offer Sheet, but with allot of money coming off our books in the next year or so, we will. So why Trade the best bench player since the 80's to get a player you can just sign, their's no rush to win a Chip this year.

Plus Gordon Hayward will be a Free Agent this Summer, I'd much rather have him, to me he's a Top 5 SF.

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Not a bad player, but he ain't no top 5 guy. Shocked

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He could be in the future but now......... no way. Love to have him play for the Clips though!

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I think he's gonna have a big offer sheet coming in next year, he's still on a rookie contract.

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Yeah, I think the Jazz want him to be one of the pieces they build around.

tense2
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Meh...for the $ he's going to get paid next year I rather spend that on some average to above average back up bigs.

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I am still a believer in free agency and finding a guy like Barnes, hidden potential which will prosper in the right circumstances. And I think Dudley will be really good once that darn tendinitis of his heals, he's a really good shooter.

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I don't think that trade is a possibility, I was just throwing trades out there. I would still do it in a heartbeat.

I like Jamal and think he is the best individual bench scorer in the game. I don't think he is a top 5 shooting guard, I wouldn't put him ahead of most starting two guards. I prefer players that play both sides of the ball.

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Dudley for Luc Richard Mbah a Moute?

Grabs us one of the leagues better defenders, but we lose one of our better shooters. I think he'd help rocket us into the top 5 defenses in the league, and would solidify DJ as a DPOY candidate.

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Igoudala scored 8 points last night, most of the damage was done in the paint, mostly because Jordan and Griffin were both playing like they were gassed. Other than George most SFs haven't done great against us, Durant, Lebron and Melo are all below their season averages against us. As a team we still lead the league in opposing 3pt%. They might look ugly out there, but there isn't a lot of real evidence our SFs are actually playing bad defense.

Our biggest problems on defense are our backup bigs and Jordan occasionally lapsing into a space cadet. We need better defensive rebounding, but Barnes is actually better at that than Mbah a Moute.

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I don't know what is up with Barnes lately. He seems so set on having an offensive impact that he has forgotten his role on the team. His offense should be a bonus. He has been forcing the issue, and it is just making him look bad. Our SF rotation got out rebounded 12 to 5 last night, and that seems to be a common theme with our perimeter players. Matt is actually a good rebounding 3, but he has seemed to lack focus on his bread and butter lately.

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As good as DJ has improved this year on his rebounding, STL's, TO's and some parts of his defense, he needs to get better at protecting the rim. The good one's are under 45% (FGP). Hibbert is at 40%.

I do believe DJ will get better at protecting the rim, but maybe not until next year and beyond. Baby steps.

http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefe ... PerPage=25

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Our SF rotation is absolutely terrible. Matt Barnes isn't playing like he did last season because it is not a contract year. Dudley.... I do not know. He is too good of a player to....

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nh7k28v

This would probably be doable. Gets us Wilson Chandler and a backup C for the next 2 1/2 seasons.. Of course you want to do a physical on Haywood before signing off.

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As good as DJ has improved this year on his rebounding, STL's, TO's and some parts of his defense, he needs to get better at protecting the rim. The good one's are under 45% (FGP). Hibbert is at 40%. I do believe DJ will get better at protecting the rim, but maybe not until next year and beyond. Baby steps. http://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=2 5
Ryan Hollins is at 37.8%, one of the best in the league. Unfortunately he sucks at everything else except throwing down the occasional lob. Hollins would be a pretty decent player if he could rebound, but he can't. Odom was really....

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danielson
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Clippers get : Larry Sander, Luke Ridinour, Gary Neal. bucks get : Darren Collinson, Crawford and 1st round pick

Agent0
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Why would we do that though? Sanders is going to make $11M next season. We can't trade a 1st round pick until out 2017 pick I believe and Ridnour and Neal are blah for this team.

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great suggestion. I would do this trade in a heartbeat

Clipswhit
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All was good until I saw what Charlotte gives up. No way they give up on MKG

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Opponents 3 point percentage is only one part of perimeter defense. The other is preventing/impeding dribble penetration. Our wings currently get blown by very easily, giving DJ very little time to react, giving his help even less time to react. Like I've pointed out in another thread, DJ leads this team, and is top 10 in the league in Drtg, he's not the issue.

itsLuigi
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i think wizard want martell as there future small foward

we have a better chance going after ariza

Agent0
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Yea, even though the Clippers are 9th best in opponent FG% and 8th best in opponent eFG%, they are 15th in opponent 2PT%, and that doesn't come from jumpshots, that's from the stuff at the basket.

...problem is that part of that is due to giving up offensive rebounds. You give up offensive rebounds and then generally opponents will get easy baskets off those plays. Clippers are 26th in defensive rebounds percentage, so that's 5th worst.

MunoValente
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Individual drtg is a terrible metric if you know how it is calculated. All it does is take team defense and modify based on blocks, steals and defensive rebounds; it doesn't actually take any kind of individual non-box score or positional defense into account at all. Bruce Bowen tied for the worst drtg on the champion 04-05 and 06-07 Spurs and anyone who ever watched him knows that is obviously crazy.

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Yup. It is by far our biggest weakness. EVERYBODY has to step up. More often than not, 5-10 extra possessions is enough for the weaker team to win a game.

Agent0
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It would make more sense to trade Barnes in this situation because you want to compliment. Dudley and Luc compliment each other, Barnes and Luc means you don't really have any high level shooter at the SF spot.

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Totally understand that, but I doubt Min wants Barnes.

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According to ESPN the Indiana Pacers have signed free-agent center Andrew Bynum for the remainder of the season. Bynum will be joining the team at some point next week. Clippers now just need to sign Odom for defense. We need him to help with the rebounding and give DJ and Blake just a few minutes rest in each game. He is better than Hollins and Mullens. If he gives us 4 or 6 point a game that would be a plus.

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I feel like there are still back-up bigs out there that we can sign that are A HELL of a lot better than Ryron Mollins... Hedo seems like a good pickup so far for the 'stretch four', but a defensive minded big like LO (like last year), or even an undersized Ivan Johnson could contribute massively to our bench defense. LO has the foot speed to exceed in our hedge/recovery pick and roll schemes, and Ivan has the toughness to excel as an individual post defender, and as a help rotation stopper. With either of these guys being huge upgrades over our current back-up bigs, we can focus on trading for a solid SF. If we can make this happen, then we're poised for a DEEP playoff run. Just need the front-office to stop sitting around and saying we're good, even when we get destroyed on the wings night in and night out, and devoured inside when DJ sits.

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He sucks dude. Best case scenario is Tony Allen and that's a stretch.

Andre Miller, Dudley, and their hometown guy Jamison. That's a pretty good haul for MKG and Sessions. No question they get a lot better.

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Doc is so in love with Hollins and Mullens. Smile

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Ryan Hollins has played in 42 games out of 49 for 357 minutes. Signed for minimum salary ($1,186,459) for 1 year

Antawn Jamison has played in 21 games out of 49 for 237 minutes. Signed for minimum salary ($1,399,507) for 1 year.

Byron Mullens has played in 26 games out of 49 for 166 minutes. Signed for minimum salary ($947,907.00)2013-2014 and 2nd year being a Player Option ($1,063,384) 2014-2015.

The why I see it Hollins and Jamison will be with us until the end of the season, have no trade value. To be honest no other teams want them so we will see them on the bench. Mullens is a different story. We will see him on the end of the bench this year and next. With him having a players option, he will take the $1,063,384.00 salary because no other team will take or pay him.

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Why would they do that though. Jamison won't get any minutes, Andre probably won't stay, and Dudley is a far superior shooter to MKG, but they just drafted him last year and he isn't terrible.

tense2
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Actually love to have MKG. Above average rebounder, above average shooter (except at the 3 and FT line) and good defender. Plus he's young and still learning.

Agent0 is right, don't know why they would do that deal....but then again the team is owned by MJ so....

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nejd8vw

detroit gets some three point shooters and a quality big to replace monroe

we get a more consistent small foward

the wizards get jamison back he gets a lot of love over there and they get monroe who they've been trying to pursue

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^

Great trade for Clippers and Wizards but Detroit loses way too much.They give up Monroe who is their most skilled player and KCP who is a good prospect for 3 role players.

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Maybe we should take a look at Taj Gibson. Seems like the Bulls are trying to free up salary. How would you guys feel if we trade Crawford and Mullens/Green for Gibson? Crawford's value is high and we have enough firepower with our backcourt to get by. Gibson would address scoring and rebounding down low.

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4 team trade between the Clippers,Pacers,Nuggets,and Wizards: Clippers trade Dudley,Barnes,Jamison,Willie,and Bledsoe TPE Clippers get Ariza,Jordan Hamilton,Mahinmi,and Orlando Johnson Wizards trade Ariza,Maynor,and Vesely Wizards get Barnes,Andre Miller,and Jamison Nuggets trade Andre Miller,Jordan Hamilton,and Anthony Randolph Nuggets get Maynor,Copeland,Vesely,and Bledsoe TPE Pacers trade Copeland,O.Johnson and Mahinmi Pacers get Dudley,Willie,and Randolph http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m79mcem Clippers lose its veteran depth at the wing but get a real starting SF in Ariza who isn't the most consistent shooter but is a very good defender and rebounder.We get Mahinmi who is a solid well rounded big.He isn't consistently good but is better than all the back up bigs we have now.We also get young prospects with Hamilton and....

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Kingkanyon
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I said SF, not Top Guy.

But I do believe he's a top 5 SF, Who are the Top 5 guy's, Lebron, Durant, Melo-George, after that I find the Conversation rather Difficult, who else is out there, Derozan, Ariza, Iggy who's really a SG, what Rudy Gay, Turner, I think Hayward could have a legit gripe for top 5 in the league.

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Think in no way can this team survive a serious run without Crawford the amount of games he has won for us is insane. Just need a compliment big willing to sacrifice but has a great attitude like Turk.

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In addition to the top 4 guys there, I think he's pretty clearly behind Igoudala, Leonard and Batum. He's probably in the next tier of guys after that though. He'll get paid when it is time, given his age and production. My guess is he'll get a contract similar to Batum or DeRozan.

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