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Just throwing this out there. I dunno... maybe if we throw in a couple of picks to sweeten the deal...

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Maybe that eye injury of matt'a has done more damage than we are being told? And if so, hopefully he is not 100 o/o, and can still improve to his performance level of last season.

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Evan Turner being shopped aggressively right now. I'd offer Dudley+Crawford+2014 pick for him. He's putting up like 20/7/5 this year or something. Very solid defender too. Would be an incredible 3rd piece for us.

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He combines bad shooting with a high turnover rate, it's a pretty terrible combination. He's good at some other things, but I really don't think he helps us. I'd much rather Crawford jack up wild shots than Turner, he's a lot better at it.

On top of that Turner is due a contract and his raw stats will likely lead to him getting paid a lot more than he's worth.

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I like that idea 86, but do get worried about the spacing. Anybody watch the 76ers consistently to shed some light? I know sometimes percentages can be deceiving when players are consistently given the ball with time running out and other similar situations.

I'd like to look at Korver too, talk about spacing. Even Demarre Carroll would be a good option since he plays some solid defense. Chandler, Webster and Ariza are also great options in my opinion. We can always have the pipe dream of Parsons. Hamilton, Miller or even Randolph out of Denver wouldn't be bad either (just don't see too much of their games to really be sure). I'm a big fan of H. Barnes and think he could solidify us for years. There are a few options that I think can be had, and I'm hoping we can get someone without giving up too much.

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And we can't offer any first round picks, bc we already gave our 2015 pick away for doc. Nba rules are that you can't give consecutive picks away. So the earliest we could give would be 2017 and I may be wrong but I think that one may be given away too, making 19 the earliest we could deal

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Crawford is a core member he is not going anywhere.

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I believe we can make the pick and then trade it.

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yeah but then we can't make a trade until draft night... that doesn't help us out this season at all

ClipsAndBolts
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Agreed. You guys are insane if you think we should trade Crawford. Such a vital piece on our team.

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Beware of stats produced for loser teams. See: Ryan Gomes.

I'd want to see Turner in other situations before giving up such a ransom to bring him in.

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I like Crawford and what he brings to the team, but you guys want to trade mullens and Jamison to get Chandler. Jamal is the only asset that can lure a team in. I'm not saying let's trade him no matter what, I just don't see us getting anything of any value without involving him or Collison. Due to salary, veteran experience, and reputation we can get more value for Crawford.

Hey if you can get an Ariza, Chandler, Korver, Carroll, Webster and/or a solid back up big for a combination between Dudley, Barnes, Jamison, Mullens or Green then you should be hired as a GM.

Personally, I think when CP is healthy Collison is more than capable of scoring off the bench at a similar rate as Crawford than what he has shown. He might not be as much of a Clutch shooter, but he is a slightly better passer. I think Crawford and Collison actually get in each others way when they play together. Since Collison is younger he has to take the backseat to Crawford.

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I'm fine trading Crawford but it needs to be for someone actually better or as good as Crawford, Turner I don't believe qualifies and I'm hardly Crawford's biggest fan.

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Lol!!!

clipperboy24
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I would do that trade. Turner is a great rebounder can play heavy minutes is a decent shooter and a good defender. His high turnovers isn't a huge problem because Chris Paul will be handling the ball more and help alleviate pressure where as MCW is still getting a handle of things (playing great obviously).

The big stats on a bad team argument is a valid point to consider but be also had some very good games against good teams where they actually won. I think it would be with the risk especially on the rebounding and defensive front.

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Don't think we make any "significant" trades at the dead line anyways. I'm thinking about next season.

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This. Plus be careful of guys coming from teams that play at such a fast pace (6ers ranked 1st 99.8), they are usually over valued.

And that's way too much to give up for a player like Turner.

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http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

"Notwithstanding the above, hearing the Nuggets are indeed looking to make a move before the deadline, along with Cleveland, Detroit and Memphis. NBA.com"

we need to get involved in some of these trade talks

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Jared Zwerling: Talking to league insiders, I'm hearing these names are being mentioned in trade talks within league circles (a lot of talk right now): A. Afflalo, T. Ariza, C. Singleton, G. Davis, R. Evans, P. Gasol, T. Gibson, C. Landry, G. Monroe, A. Rivers, T. Sefolosha and G. Vasquez.

you guys think we involved in any of these?

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Evans for the Bledsoe trade exemption would be nice. He can play both front-court spots off the bench if needed.

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Evan Turners number would not look so good on the Clippers. He would have fewer touches and ball handling duties on this team if hes with the starters. He needs the ball to be effective, he was not that good when he had a different role on the sixers. I do not think he makes us better. I still have some faith in Dudley, unlike others I`ll wait until he is 100 percent to write him off.

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I agree with this assessment. Crawford treats Bullock like the invisible man on the floor. Collison and Crawford need the ball to be utilized optimally. I think Colison and Bullock in the back-court should suffice if we trade Crawford to upgrade the starting 3 or to get better front-court depth. If we do trade him for front court depth, that person will likely help off-set some of the offense lost from Crawford.

Heediot
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Hayward is over-hyped. I think Chandler Parsons is the better player especially a whole lot defensively. The former is going to get over-paid, while the latter is quietly having a very good and better year IMO.

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Clippers r giving vujavic and 2014 first roundpick for evan turner..

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I am a big supporter in trading Dudley away, but for Evan Turner? I don't think he can make the Clippers better

Turner is shooting 28% from 3's. As much as I don't like Dudley, I would rather wait for him to get healthy and see what happens, but wouldn't trade him for Turner.

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Evan turner's production this year is reminiscent of a guy like a Ricky Davis producing on Cleveland. Just that someone has to produce, but it doesn't necessarily translate to other situations.

He's actually putting up 18/6/4, which in itself isn't bad, but...lol

Percentages: 43.3% FG, 28.6% 3PT

Assists and Turnovers: 3.8 assists, 3.0 turnovers

Efficiency: 98 Ortg, 51.0% TS

Jamal is a far superior offensive player in every facet, no contest, and Jamal can play much better off the ball, meaning in lineups with Paul and Blake because he's excellent in catch and shoot. Jamal also makes less money as Turner makes $6.7M, and Turner is a FA after the season who will probably make more than he is currently worth (unless he improves). Turner is a poor fit at starting SF for the Clippers because since he's mediocre on defense, it doesn't help make up for poor outside shooting, and diminished production as an off ball player, so how does he work next to your stars?

Turner is generally considered an on-ball player who's production drops playing off ball more (previous years procuring), and isn't good enough on the ball (this years production) to justify taking the ball out of the hands of other players to accommodate him. He's average defensively, not a special athlete, so it stands to reason why Philly would be aiming to trade a 25 year old 18/6/4 player, and that is that his 18/6/4 comes with some issues.

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^^^ crawford is one of the worst defenders in the league and needs to be very ball dominant to score.

Turner is a better defender, passer and especially rebounder than Dudley and Barnes. Would be a nice upgrade for us in every facet except 3 pt shooting (which is a big thing no doubt).

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Sefolosha is in trade rumors? Sefolosha is that long wing defender the Clippers have needed since Paul got here, but he's a SG and that position is covered.

I suppose OKC can move Lamb up, and he is an expiring $3.9M, but I doing they are looking to move Thabo unless his poor shooting this year compared to last year is really bothering them.

It's not ideal for him, but Afflalo at SF is an option also. I'm guessing the Magic's reasoning for wanting to trade him is to give opportunity to their younger guys, but they would also want value back, which is the hard part, so I don't know how that would work.

Ariza is also a good option to pursue, but Washington would be moving him to go with Webster and Porte moving forward, so trading them a wing, which is what the Clippers have available might not be their desire. The only guy that makes sense is Jamal because they do need bench help, but does that fully make sense for the Clippers? It's a pretty even trade in terms of different skill sets, but team need wise is the question.

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I understood what you said and he ain't no top 5 SF either. Guys who I'd take over him right now, beside the obvious (LBJ, Durant, George, Melo):

Iguodala (can play both positions equally well)

Parsons

Deng

Marcus Morris

PJ Tucker

Ariza

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MunoValente
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Harkless and Morris but not Leonard, Batum or Korver?

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trade jamal crawford, jared dudley, bullock, mullens for evan turner and spencer hawes

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We lose the best player in that trade tho.... No thanks.

tense2
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Absolutely. Just naming off the top of my head. Those 3 should have been on the top of my off the top of the head list, LOL. Thanks for the reminder.

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Swap out bullock for a 2nd rounder and another piece and that trade works well for us. I bet Philly puts some value on Dudley and crawford obviously is a good valued contract and they don't get blamed for letting turner walk.

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Hope we can get Ariza. Nobody can stop Durant, but Ariza makes it difficult for him at least.

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Dudley and Bullock or Willie for Evan Turner would work. At least we would have 2 spots open once Vujacic is waived. You can even throw in Mullens for free. I would pay for his plane ticket over there.

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I'd be more open to a Barnes/Turner deal, Barnes age, production and length of contract make him more attractive for us to move in a risky deal for someone like Turner. Also Barnes and Turner have fairly redundant skill sets, I wouldn't want both of them. Something like Barnes/Green/Bullock for Turner might be ok, but there is a good chance Philly might not want Barnes contract.

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Posted this in the "Clippers Need a SF and a Good Back Up Center" Should have posted it here.

Blencher Report has a Trade Deadline Shopping List for the Clippers. What do you think? Do you like any of the trades and why. Still learning

A Trade with the Atlanta Hawks

Clippers get: Elton Brand and DeMarre Carroll

Hawks get: Jared Dudley and Reggie Bullock

A Trade with the Boston Celtics

Clippers get: Brandon Bass

Celtics get: Jared Dudley and Reggie Bullock

A Trade with the Philadelphia 76ers

Clippers get: Evan Turner

Sixers get: Jared Dudley and Reggie Bullock

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I like the hawks trade. Carrol actually seems like a pretty good player. The problem with Turner is that he is in a contract year, so it would likely be a rental.

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Double post, please delete.

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Honestly, ideal fits for this team would be DeMarre Carroll and Ivan Johnson. We can trade Dudley and/or Bullock for Carroll and a piece (like Elton)-- he is a three and D guy who rebounds, which this team needs, is athletic with handling ability, good size, can defend another team's best player, shoot, and hustle: something that this team and its second unit desperately needs which is energy. Johnson, who we can sign as a free agent after Vujacic's contract gets up, bring tons of energy, hustle, and rebounding. He can capably play backup 5 for DJ with his tenacity and fearlessness, size isn't an issue for him. These two (or three guys) fit exactly what LAC needs to be even more of a threat

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Doc will trade all the players you've mention except Crawford.

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What do u guys think of spencer hawes? I have a feeling were gonna get him

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Like Carroll and it would great to get him, but I don't why Atlanta would do that trade, especially at the $ he's getting paid.

As far as Johnson, just because he brings those intangibles (tenacity/fearlessness) doesn't mean that size won't be a problem for a guy 6-8 at best. I think it will.

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Who would you attempt to trade for him?

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Philly in any deals seem to be looking for a 1st round draft pick for 2015.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2014/2/1/ ... ls-liberty

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clipperboy24 wrote:
^^^ crawford is one of the worst defenders in the league and needs to be very ball dominant to score.

Turner is a better defender, passer and especially rebounder than Dudley and Barnes. Would be a nice upgrade for us in every facet except 3 pt shooting (which is a big thing no doubt).

Wait, have you watched Turner play or? Jamal and Turner similarly like the ball in their hands. Difference is that Crawford can play off the ball as a spot up shooter while Turner is bad in that role.

Don't forget that you have to look at things holistically:

-playing style/fit

-salary / contract situation

Is Turner really a better passer?

Do you have a different view of his defensive ability similar to what you thought about Dudley who has admittedly had health issues, but even when healthy was average.

http://www.libertyballers.com/2013/12/2 ... r-williams

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Rebounder, yes, he's a better rebounder, but again, that's not making up for a lot. This was also an interesting quote from last season:

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And his thirst for defensive rebounds, both because they help pad his stat lines and because they allow him an easy opportunity to initiate the offense on the other end, occasionally results in him leaving his man too early on defense, and at least a couple times a season, causes the Sixers to lose an easy board out of bounds because he's battling for it with one of our big men and neither player ends up getting it.

http://the700level.com/basketball-sixer ... an-turner/

On this Clippers team if you start him, you aren't taking the ball out of Paul or Griffin's hands to accommodate him. So he's an off-ball player, well he's not so good offensively that way and would hurt floor spacing. On the ball he's better, but still not good enough to exert positive offensive impact. Defensively he's mediocre. That doesn't seem to make sense to sum up as good production, and we'd have to lay almost $7M for that.

That doesn't seem like enough to justify almost $7M this season, and remember he's a FA, you think his agent is going to re-sign with the Clippers for a nice contract that we will love? You willing to pay Turner $8M+ per year? How can we say we let Bledsoe goes because of how much he could make then sign a guy like Turner for $8M per year? A contract I believe would be an over pay.

I think we have to examine fit and player playing style. You can just go look at his stats and say "oh this is what he would be giving the Clippers" because unless he has the same role, and Turner won't get the role he has in Philly on a good team at his level right now. Unless he has that role, he isn't producing the same and his production with poor percentages, 3 TPG, needing the ball, mediocre defense at best is not nearly as impressive as the counting stats suggest.

You're setting yourself up to be disappointed again on what is probably a below average impact player in Turner.

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Makes sense considering their team make-up and goals. It can be hard to work deals with bad teams without current draft picks.

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Unfortunately we can't trade any first rounders for a few years

tense2
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Yea, not now. We can trade our pick (when signed) this year after 30 days.

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This bleacher report writer seems to have forgotten that the Clippers and Celtics can't trade with each other this year. Or did that expire?

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