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laboy
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irwing and deng for paul..

maybe trade pics too...28 for 1???

how about that??

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That would be a good trade for us, but why do you insist that we trade the #1 point guard in the NBA? Our team is great, you don't blow it up. It just needs a few tweaks to legitimately contend with the extremely stacked western conference.

laboy
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or we get rid of crawford and dudley...their salaries are about 9 mil for both,

who do we get??

dj's last year...he wants more money next june...

where are we going to get that?

we overpaid for dj because golden state game him an offer of 10 mil...and we matched..

at the time i thought he was not worth it..

now....maybe he is worth 10 mil...not more...

worm
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I don't know man if you are a fan of Clippers you want to dissolve the team.

danielson
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10 mil or more for DJ? No way we should pay more than 6 mil. I don't understand why DJ gets a pass for no improvement on his offensive game. He's entering his 7th season and offensively he's not better than his rookie year. Plus hack a DJ worked in the playoffs. He's pretty much useless in close games with under two minutes left because of his free throwing shooting. Plus he seems to rarely be in the right defensive position. Almost like the game is moving too fast for his brain to process.

laboy
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number 1 point guard....you mean highest paid point guard..

not number one..

in the top 10..

teagle in atlanta...

lawson in denver..

westbrook..

tony parker...

our old back up was pretty good... Smile bledsoe

conley

irving..

rondo

mo williams....he was ready to take over...before the trade for paul..

clipperboy24
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He's never going to be an offensive juggernaut it's all about him being a defensive force and throwing in some points here and there. It doesn't help that CP3 doesn't really involve DJ in the offense

Agent0
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Championships teams used to be about building over time and tooling and retooling, these days, maybe partially due to instant gratification, maybe due to the recent Celtics and Heat doing it so quickly, fans just want to attempt quick fixes. What's the next big move we can make that could maybe, possibly do something, anything?

The old adage is that impact wise, two average players don't equal an All-Star and many times, two All-Stars don't equal a superstar. There's just no instant fix out there.

ClipperKyle32
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Did we dodge a bullet? With Shump and knees? Now looking hindsight I would have actually done that trade. Chris,Reddick,Barnes,Griffin,Jordan. Felton,Crawford,Shumpert,Turk,Baby I think that may have pushed us over the hump. Felton isn't that bad.But its Shumpert....

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ClipperKyle32
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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mn2ahcu Then sign Ariza or Deng in free agency. PG - Paul - Crawford - Green SG - Reddick - Shumpert - Shannon Brown SF - Ariza/Deng - Barnes/Granger - Draft Pick/Bullock PF - Griffin - Davis - Turkoglu C -....

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CapsNClips
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How can we take advantage of this?

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CapsNClips wrote:

How can we take advantage of this?

Get involved and find a way to pry Luol Deng for cheap. Maybe even Zeller for Green?... lol

CapsNClips
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Maybe somehow get Batum if the Blazers use the #1 pick on Jabari.

Dunkathon
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Sorry to disappoint you, but now that LaMarcus has actually been out of the first round, there's no way Portland's going to trade him for a measely #1 pick from Cleveland. Batum's staying here as well, if only out of pride for overpaying him after Minnesota tried to take him as a restricted free agent.

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CapsNClips wrote:

How can we take advantage of this?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kutqxw9

atlanta gets the pick

ClipperKyle32
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http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/ ... um=twitter

We gotta get in on these talks and maybe ship Dudley off

Icecoldclipper
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lmao He averaged a double double on the season and led in rebounding yet no progress? The hacking never cost a single game and he was in the 4th of each game the problems came when he sat to start the 4th in games for rest. Fans I swear forget everything that happens as the season goes on. It's the season before when people say DJ dropped off when he played less when Odom finally got healthy and Vinny trusted Odom more.

Icecoldclipper
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Kyrie Irving and 1st would be tempting I wouldn't even ask for the fill contract to be Deng. Cavs have a glut of bigs and we could use them as back ups like, AV, Zeller , and Thompson. Doc can pull in Pierce for the bench and we take Wiggins 1st overall and roll the dice. Cavs probably can do it if getting Paul promises Lebron.

Irving-Wiggins-Griffin hell of a trio with Redick and Jordan complimenting everyone. Just have to unload the Barnes and Dudley contracts.

Agent0
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Irving is nice, but actually he's ind of been disappointing as a playmaker and in his defensive effort. Let's not kid ourselves in thinking there isn't a drop off from Paul to him. Wiggins is tough, he isn't a sure fire superstar, he is a guy who is still hanging on the balance of star/bust. Some people will say he is eerily similar to someone like Harrison Barnes, and certainly he isn't expected to bring high impact as a rookie.

Our current team has already won 57 games. You see, what you actually see is a team wanting to go to the next level trading guys like that for a Chris Paul, teams at this level don't make these kind of moves unless they have a disgruntled star. The draft is still a crap shoot, and a bird in the hand...

UKClipper
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Can't wait to see Wiggins in the league, going to be interesting to see how he adapts for sure! Irving I think has suffered because of the people around him and he is too young and immature to be that great leader but he has as much talent as anyone at the position. I'd love to try and get Steph Curry and Chandler Parsons this summer, that would be my dream scenario!

Agent0
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Steph Curry, what? Lol

Why would you even mention him? I mean I'm assuming we at least try to be realistic with the trade dreams, but Curry isn't getting traded, Irving could, Curry is going nowhere.

ClipperKyle32
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@Chrisclipsla: Been told the Clippers are looking at trading up in the Draft

CapsNClips
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Whoa, I hope this happens and we can swoop in on Gerald Green or Frye.

But why would PHX send both of their PG's? And why would Minny need 3 good PG's?

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ClipperKyle32 wrote:

Very interesting.

Maybe Jamal, Barnes, Bullock, 28th pick, Cash

For

Mozgov, Chandler, 11th pick

Best case scenario we get LaVine or Gordon with the 11th pick. Worst case scenario we get Saric or McDermott. I'd do this trade in a heart beat, but I think Denver would want more from us.

JQuick32
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We're not legitimately contending with the so-called "#1 point guard" even despite two offseasons' worth of tweaks. Second-round exits =/= legitimately contending.

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Lol @ talking about two off-seasons as if that's a big deal, sorry but that's too funny.

Do you and laboy believe the stuff you say or do you not follow the whole league and actually realize that the teams without the Lebron's, Shaq's, Kobe's and Tim Duncan's need a whole lot more than 2 years of tweaking a roster to get anywhere.

Really though, do you actually understand this JQuick or are you still living in the delusional world where all the good players on opposing teams will just lay down and let us win because we had "two off-seasons of tweaks". You can't possibly be serious, two off-seasons of tweaks means absolutely nothing.

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Technically, it's only one offseason of tweaks anyway, since Vinny del Negro's ineptitude was the sole reason for our failing to steamroll over the entire league toward a championship for the previous two seasons... at least according to JQuick.

Chris Paul only became public enemy #1 after the "blame Vinny" argument became moot. So let's run CP3 out of town, too. We could have a CTB sweepstakes guessing who will be next on JQuick's sh!t-list. It'll be fun.

CapsNClips
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Keep fighting the good fight. Repped

Billupsss
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I agree with the post somewhat above. We should get into the mix for that 11th pick from the Nuggets.

Clippers receive: (2014) 11th pick, Timofey Mozgov

Nuggets receive: 28th pick, Jamal Crawford, Jared Dudley, and Reggie Bullock

Then, (as I heard Afflalo wanted to be traded to a contending team), we make another trade.

Clippers receive: Arron Afflalo

Magic receive: (2014) 11th pick

We would finally get the backup defensive big we've always needed from Mozgov. Afflalo has been a lot more consistent than Crawford (and even Redick) this season, plus plays better defense than both combined. He would give us perimeter defense, something that killed us in the playoffs.

laboy
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I am saying is paul worth the money he is making???

he is making 20 mil this year....

his salary limits what we can do with free agents...etc..

he is signed for 4 years..

ClipTakeover
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What are going to do? He is not getting traded and it isn't possible to restructure a contract in professional basketball. Ideas? .... yeah.

laboy
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dj is making 11.4 mil this year,and he will be a free agent after the 2014-2015 season..

what are we going to do??

sign him to an extension ...definately more money..like 15 mil a year.. or trade him..

we are at 76 mil right now....if baby and granger and collision stay..

if they all leave..we will have about 4,5 mil...to spend..it could go to dj..

that salary is only for 9 players..

thats why chris paul's salary is big...20 mil...and maybe we should think of trading him??/

Dunkathon
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I'm a bit confused. I'm all for this trade (if both teams want this somehow), and I do know that at least Afflalo wants to go to a contender. Under this, Afflalo would be the starting SF, right?

Also, I would love to have Mozgov as the backup C, but I don't know if he would settle for that now that he's gotten a taste of being a starter. If he's game for it though, I would pull the trigger.

zaneil3715
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all we need is continuity from our core and add pieces that compliments the system and an added year would definitely help the team's chemistry. hopefully balmer would spend more for the team.

ClipperKyle32
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I wish we could get Danilo Galanari from Denver. I am over Ariza. If we do sign him it should be a 2 year deal with the second year being a team option. He only....

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zaneil3715
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personally i rather trade for wilson chandler because of his size and length on defense and versatility.

namzug
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Gallinari would be great if he is at his old form and is not suffering from lingering effects. Him or Wilson Chandler would be great. Mosgov would be good too, I like Afflalo but wouldn't want him to be our starting 3 more like our starting 2.

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Galo makes $10 mil a year. No thanks.

ClipperKyle32
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Anyone up for Bullock/Collison for Shumpert? Knicks looking for picks! We could give them a future or current pick and Bullock or Dudley or even JCross for Shumpert. Good Defensive SG to pair with Redick is....

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I think the Knicks need a PG more than either team needs Shumpert. We wouldn't need to throw in Bullock.

Collison is the ideal PG that NY needs. A slashing/athletic/defensive/cheap PG who's offense isn't based on jacking up 3's.

Agent0
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This is always an interesting point, but actually, unless we are under the cap (which we won't be), our off-season options are sign and trade, MLE and Bi-annual exception here and there in addition to minimum contracts. Now, you could say that his salary gets us close to the luxury tax, and if we hit luxury then we have the smaller MLE, can't do sign and trades, etc.

Salary cap is set for $58.7M next season. As soon as you pass the salary cap, you only have the exceptions. We are at approximately $71.6M is Collison opts out, Davis opts in and Granger, Turkoglu, etc are removed off cap hold. If we just totally took out CP's contract, we'd be at $51.6M, we'd have $7.1M in cap space. So we could sign a player the caliber of Ariza outright with that. We would then be at the cap and have the MLE, BAE, sign and trade and minimum contracts are our disposal.

The problem is that people seem to think Paul is taking the place of $20M worth of players, so like if we didn't have him, we could have two $10M players when the reality is that because we are able to go over the cap to him more as our own free agent, he's not really taking much away from our real life flexibility until we get near the luxury, and that's not one player. The luxury tax next year is anticipated at $77M. After Paul and Blake, we're still $39.4M away from luxury tax.

If we didn't have Paul, we could have gotten a $7M/year player and after that we hit the cap and have the exact same options we have now. You think GM's don't know how to do math? Now, who is the high level player that wants to get signed and traded to the team that just let Chris Paul go? Not likely the ones that people actually want, but the Rudy Gay's would be happy to be overpaid for the max.

Okay, so let us say we let Paul go, maybe we try and do a sign and trade. We'd get draft picks and most likely inconsequential players back as teams generally do, and if that team has Paul, 2nd round exit or not, those are some late first round draft picks. Okay, then lets say we sign some one year contracts, keep Bledsoe and let Caron expire. So now we have $15M in cap space since Caron was making $8M...but then we have Bledsoe's cap hold, so it is not as much as it seems. If Bledsoe was playing as well as this season, what is his market? Let's say we pay him $8M? $9M? You'd probably have some team offer him more and you have to decide whether or not to match. What if you don't think Bledsoe is worth it? What is Blake Griffin saying as you keep being cheap and gutting the team? So we re-sign Bledsoe, then we have about $6-7M in cap space if magically a cheap option happens, more realistically, probably like $3-4M. Let's go with unrealistic best case, so we sign whatever $7M player is out there, again, we're still in the range of players like Trevor Ariza, and then we are back to square one, MLE, BAE, minimum contracts and sign and trade. This time our roster is a little different, we have something more like:

Bledsoe

Crawford

Ariza / Barnes

Griffin

Jordan

...and all the fill in players. There's this false idea that Paul's contract would split into two $10M players, and of course the exact $10M players we want. Next year when DJ expires, then if we're paying Bledsoe $11M less than Paul, if we guy the team, we could have room for a max player, of course the question is who is this max player, and if there are options, are Blake/Bledsoe his #1 option? To sign this player, we would have to renounce DJ, and we wouldn't be able to get him back.

So again, we're back to square one because we can just trade DJ in a sign and trade for some player, and this time the guys is saying Paul/Blake, 57 win team, etc, etc not Blake/Bledsoe, and who knows how many games the team wins, probably but not 57 as the pace is harder to keep over 82 games than over 20 games with an decently easy schedule while Paul is out, but maybe as much as Dallas, maybe they get 48 like Phoenix. Who are you attracting, and how much more did you accomplish?

You'd end up with Blake/Bledsoe/Ariza (replaces Redick)/Bullock. You'd have to opt out of Crawford's contract, somehow get rid of Dudley and don't pick up Barnes' contract. Then add the max contract guy, then add an MLE player, a BAE player, and minimum contracts to fill the roster. The only advantage you gain in Paul vs a $10M player is room for 2 more MLE players in two years before you get to luxury.

ClippersDA
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How is it that Houston , golden state and all other teams find creative ways to clear cap space to sign max contracts without giving up a star player? We never do that and it's not even an option.

So now the rockets can sign melo?

P.s am I the only one who has the format of the site all messed up? It's hard to follow threads

CapsNClips
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No, it's been very buggy for me the last week or so. But I noticed its only like that on my phone. When go on my computer it's totally normal.

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these teams are actually killing them selves by making room for melo. If Huston ends up getting melo they won't have much money left to get a decent bench. they will end up with a even worse bench than this year.

Agent0
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Golden State hasn't given Thompson his pay day yet, they got a bargain on Curry's extension and Iguodala isn't making an insane amount or anything. They have 4 players who made $9M or more last season, then heir next highest player is Steve Blake @ $4M.

Currently though they are stuck without a sign and trade, and Lee still has 2 years, so for example if they want Love, they can't just get him like that.

Houston would have to get rid of Asik and Lin and they have a lot of rookie contracts on their roster.

zaneil3715
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as long as we are able to solve our defensive,shooting wing a long tough defensive big and a backup pg I'm going to give at least an A to our offseason. go sacks go doc!

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Can you be more descriptive? On the phone/tablet or PC? Everything should fit well now on all devices. Anyone else having issues?

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The format on PC is different as in the thread layout on main page. This may have been an intentional change, though. I have no problem with it--it feels more organized matter of fact.

ClippersDA
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Phones and tablets. Things get cut off, columns and rows are lined up right and there is a lot of stuff breaking up the threads. Like it got scrambled a little.

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