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david
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I checked on the iPad and Android phone, and thought they looked fine. There should be some columns hidden, but you can expand them by clicking the + icon. This is necessary to make the page fit without the user having to zoom or scroll to the right. The front page should look good when you first load it, though if you change orientation of the device, you may have to refresh the page if stuff are not lined up.

david
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Thanks for the feedback CTake. Does it look okay to you on a non-PC?

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David, I have an iPhone and I'm actually having problems using the tool bar when I'm trying to post something. For example the twitter, Instagram, google and Facebook icons are all cut off and some other icons are just gone

Here is a screen shot

Also it seems the entire format of everything is minimized and pushed towards the left.

david
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^^Thanks for the screenshots Caps. I just made a few tweaks- does it look better now?

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It's a little better, but some icons are still missing

And also on the home page everything is pushed to the left and the banner is really small. Hopefully these pictures help.

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It looked like the pictures Caps put up last time I was on my phone.

david
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Are you talking about the post icons? I thought those were extraneous so removed them, so actually on the desktop you won't see them any more either.

Can you check the front page again- it should not have that gap now- I hope!

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It's all good now, thanks David

david
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Thanks for checking Caps- if anyone else sees more weirdness and anything that makes stuff hard to use/navigate, please let me know! Again the changes are primarily for making the site easier to use on smaller screen devices, so I certainly don't want to be doing the opposite.

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Thanks, really. It's awesome that you care for this site and make it as user-friendly as possible.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9hvooj

I know it's unrealistic, but I can dream.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m9hvooj I know it's unrealistic, but I can dream.
Like I have been saying, I want Shumpert on this team. I love his athleticism and defense. He could really truly be our Kawhi Leonard. If it....

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clippyclip
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Haha that's awesome. I love how screwed the Knicks get in that scenario.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=o3ss2n6

I wish Milwaukee would do something like this. Maybe add Bullock

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q5aroxm

We also get the N1 pick and add our pick and a future second round. Then we select Wiggins and start him immediately at SF, which makes the line-up for next year look like this:

PG - Paul

SG - Redick

SF - Wiggins

PF - Blake

C - Hawes

We also get Bennett, who might as well develop under Doc!

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What's the situation with Shawn Marion?

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I'm all for trading for a top 3 pick, but we'd have to give up a lot more than that.

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@Jarca- I think he is a free agent this year. I figure he will be asking for more than what we have available.

@ClipperKyle- If we could squeeze into a deal where someone is trading for Carmelo and we get Shumpert I think that could be a winning situation for us. I think that is the best option to unload Duds and find a suitable defensive Shooting Guard. Then trade either JJ or Jamal to get a starting SF or a solid back up big. I'm not as high on Carmelo as others, I think it would cost too much. I think if we squeezed in on a trade and got Shumpert out of it we'd be great and probably better off than picking up Sefolosha.

@ClippyClip- I was still hoping it was the Knicks of old, but who knows what happens there.

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Timberwolves receive: Carlos Boozer, Tony Snell, Reggie Bullock, rights to Nikola Mirotic, No. 16 overall pick in 2014, No. 19 overall pick in 2014, Bulls' 2016 first-round pick

Chicago Bulls receive: Kevin Love, Jamal Crawford

Los Angeles Clippers receive: Taj Gibson

(Not my idea, I found it somewhere but it looks fair to me)

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Love it. I would prefer Jimmy Butler to be honest because he's still on a rookie contract and he's a top 5 wing defender, but Taj is a great back up big for Blake and he's a good pick n' pop player for Chris.

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Looks good. Bulls need a scorer we need a two way big.

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I want Boston's 17th pick. Hopefully we get involved in any Kevin Love trade.

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Here's my proposal: Trade whoever we need to get LeBron coming here to play with BG and CP3, and we will be NBA's favorite Big 3, that's what BIG is.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q5aroxm We also get the N1 pick and add our pick and a future second round. Then we select Wiggins and start him immediately at SF, which makes the line-up for next year look like this: PG - Paul SG - Redick SF - Wiggins PF - Blake C - Hawes We also get Bennett, who might as well develop under Doc!
This would probably be a worse team than our team last season. As much as I'd like to have a big that can stretch the floor, Hawes is an inferior defender to Jordan and is a below average defender while DJ is above average. Wiggins has....

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Totally disagree, if we do a trade similar to this where we don't end up with Bennett we would save $9 mil in cap room and would have have enough money to sign a defensive Center like Pau Gasol.

And Wiggins has no chance of being a bust. The absolute worst case scenario for Wiggins is a slightly more athletic and taller DeMar DeRozen. Wiggins is going to be an elite wing defender in the NBA and should be a legit scoring threat.

I prefer Jabari Parker because when Chris Paul eventually starts declining Jabari can lead a team unlike Wiggins, and Jabari seems to have all the tools to be this generations Paul Peirce.

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Well Cavs need a center or any big who can defend and DJ kind of fits the bill plus they obviously need to rid themselves of Bennett, which is what makes the deal acceptable on their end.

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Sure, but Joel Embiid also fits that defensive role with a much better offensive game and he'll get paid half of what DJ makes.

Also they don't need to get rid of Bennett, he's young and he's not breaking the bank. I would prefer the don't throw him in the deal

And we would need to add Jamal, Bullock and our pick for them to even consider it.

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I think you might be forgetting that Hawes costs $6.5M for this season and would need to be re-signed. Do you get him again for $6.5M?

I like the trade if it is DJ for the top 3 pick, don't need Hawes, then get a C in the market or by trading Crawford or something. I don't think that trade is realistic for these teams though, why would they do that. Maybe you get Hawes to make the contracts match and then you don't re-sign him, maybe that is the thought.

I do still see Wiggins as a gamble, a good gamble though, so maybe I should be less cautious about it, but he isn't a surefire thing by any means, but I'll concede, he's a gamble that would be worth it.

I'd do it and then go hard after Mozgov, but I'm more averse to the idea of Hawes as the starting C. Maybe if Duncan is your PF then yes, but with just Blake, your defense will not be good enough to be a better bet vs OKC or beat a SA.

Then again, maybe I'm underrating how much Hawes can pick up defense, though I don't think I am. I don't get how you got the caps space to sign Gasol though, how does that work?

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That would be ideal. When I proposed a similar trade to the one above I included Hawes as a filler because I knew he was a UFA, but if we were going to trade for a top 3 pick the other team would need more than we can give.

DJ, Jamal, Bullock and our 28th pick would only work if the new Cavs GM is as dumb as Dan Gilbert especially since some draft experts are comparing Embiid to Hakeem and David Robinson.

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Can we sign and trade DC to NY for Shumpert? Obviously DC would have to be interested, but that could be a good spot for us. Maybe use Duds as a cap filler on a deal between two other teams where they get Carmelo and we get Shumpert and the Knicks get Duds plus whatever they initially get for him.

Then include JJ or Jamal to get Frye.

Try for Ariza, and Deng. Contingency plan of any Carter or Pierce or Granger (if he shows any physical improvement during the offseason its a longshot), and Wes or Williams or Aminu.

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I have a basketball crush on Shump. He has so much potential. We were suppose to trade DC for Shumpert straight up this season at the deadline. Which then had to include Felton which I....

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namzug
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I think Shump is a good fit here. It is the type players we are missing. If we had him and Ariza I think our D climbs into the top 5 if not the top 3. If we could trade for him that would be great if we could get bird rights to him too.

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Chicago is aggressively trying to move its two first-round picks, according to rival executives. The Bulls are believed to be looking for either a veteran scorer or the chance to move up in the draft to select a young wing player with scoring potential. They have picks 16 and 19 in the upcoming draft.

Jamal Crawford anybody?

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Carmelo... If not Deng... If not Ariza... If not we failed the offseason

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You know what? You're right, that would make sense now that I think of it, but if we get the Cavs pick, why would we take anyone but Embiid? For our team though, I'd take Wiggins over Parker because of his two way and multi-position defending ability.

When I say he has high bust/star potential, I mean he could be a superstar or he could be a good starter. I think he has a range between good starter to superstar. It's a "bust" for him to just be a good two-way starter, but he'd still be a very useful player.

The Bulls have had their Jamal experience, but the guy I would like most form Chicago is a guy they won't want to trade and that is Taj Gibson. It's not worth it to move Jamal for a mid-teens draft pick unless you find some guy that you are just so high on like the Spurs moving George Hill for the 15th pick that was Kawhi Leonard. Problem is I can't really see what player you'd be looking at in that position that makes sense unless someone drops.

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I believe Kevin Love is going to end up either in Chicago or Boston and if he ends up in Chicago they will have no use for Gibson. Very good chance we could be the 3rd team in that Love trade. They would still need another scorer and Jamal fits the role of a scorer and would pair nicely with an actual defender in Butler.

As for finding a stud in the 15-19 range, I think it will be a lot like the 2011 draft where really good players and future all stars were selected outside of the top 10 like Klay(11th), Leonard(15th), Vucevic(16th), Faried(22nd), Butler(30th), Parson(38th) and Isaiah Thomas(60th)

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If we could snatch Kenneth Faried lol

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I was looking at the currently projected guys in that range (13-21) from Draft Express, and none of them really seems like the kind of player we'd be looking for in terms of a two way wing guy, that's why I was wondering who specifically one would have in mind.

The one that intruiges me is the Clint Capela guy, that's about all.

It seems like we could be better off getting a guy to develop with a second round pick where we can give up less value to acquire.

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There's not really any clear-cut two way wing players besides Wiggins and Gordon, but some players that I think could eventually evolve into good two way players are TJ Warren, James Young, Glenn Robinson III and KJ McDaniels. Most of those players we could potentially draft with our 28th pick and if we wanted to acquire a 2nd rounder I think Thanasis Antetokounmpo will be a good defender in the NBA, but I don't think he can be a good scorer.

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That's also my thought, which is why I don't think trading Crawford for a mid-teens pick really helps us much since there isn't a player currently projected in that range that we can point to and really aim for. I also like the idea of Thanasis, I think he can give you very good defense with role player offense potential. I'd purchase a second round pick to select him, I like that he has played and looked good against NBDL players. You need to work hard on his shot and he can be a transition guy and lob / finisher in....

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Why can't we just trade jj and some other minor roster player, like Willie green, for melo? I am disappointed with jj this year in both production and health, so can we offer THE best....

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Clippers trade with Orlando Magic:

  • Magic get Jamal Crawford, Jared Dudley & the Clippers 2014 1st round draft pick (selection #28) -- Clips could possibly throw in a future 2nd round pick as well (if need be)

  • Clippers get Aaron Afflalo & Maurice Harkless

Aaron Afflalo is looking to get out of Orlando to join a playoff team. With the emergence of Victor Oladipo/Tobas Harris, Afflalo has been made expendable. Afflalo is a tough perimeter defender, who has been a consistent threat from the 3 his entire career. Having him and Reddick on each side should keep other teams honest & he is a legitimate 3rd scoring option.

Futhermore, in free agency, I say sign Darren Collison to the B.A.E. and then split the MLE between Drew Gooden and Omeka Okafor. Then resign Hollins for the vet min., sign Delonte West for the vet min., and hopefully Big Baby opts in.

PG: CP3, D. Collison, Delonte West

SG: JJ Reddick, Matt Barnes, Willie Green

SF: A.A., Harkless, Bullock

PF: B.G., Gooden, Davis

C: DJ, Okafor, Hollins

I'm not sure how highly the Magic value Harkless (young SF with potential both offensively/defensively with a 7'0 wingspan)... but with Tobias Harris emerging as a star there and Oladipo's ability to play the 2 & 3, I think its certainly in the realm of possibilities that Orlando takes a bite. In addition, Dudley and JC could add some veteran presence/knowledge to a young Orlando team.

Anyways, does this roster look good/improved to you all? What are your thoughts? Smile

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^^^^ that is a terrible starting 5! You have 3 players under 6'5! No length outside of DJ. Just a lot of offense no defense. So..maybe trade Harkless with Afflalo and have Barnes the SF off the bench and Collison and Afflalo in the backcourt.

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Lets Trade for Rondo lol. Maybe Green jk just messin'

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He's not gonna save our team, but if we could ask Toronto to make the qualifying offer to Patrick Patterson, I'd trade Dudley and a future pick for him.

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@Chrisclipsla: Well just heard the Lakers, Wolves and Warriors are talking trade

Lol the enemies working together

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What is Orlando's angle here? Why trade Afflalo and Harkless (mid teens pick who is set to be their starting SF), essentially for the 28th pick. They don't need Jamal, might as well keep Afflalo, contracts are similar, and Dudley won't get minutes over Tobias.

Makes no sense for Orlando, they lose the value battler there especially since the younger team is getting the two older players.

Also in your lineup, starting this would make more sense:

Paul / Afflalo / Harkless / Griffin / Jordan

Better length and defense in the starting lineup. Bring Redick off the bench, or start Harkless with Redick and use Afflalo as your 6th man SG/SF, either of those is better balanced. Gooden sucks btw Wink

There are just too many more trades where Orlando can get something better and not take back two guys older than each of the guys they are trading.

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Klay' going to L.A. and the 7th pick is going to Minny is my best guess.

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Not sure what the wolves are thinking here. There is no real game changer at number 7, at least with Klay you get a proven player

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Klay isn't a game changer either, but maybe they will try and get picks from both teams

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