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ClipperKyle32
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HELL YEAH! PLEASE DO THIS Clips ....

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DUDley + 28th for Ilyasova

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We need DEFENSE!!!

Willie Green and Drafted 28th Pick for Shumpert makes a whole lot of sense

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Hearing: Knicks have explored possibility of swapping Iman Shumpert for late first-round pick heading into Thursday's draft

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"As far as the Clippers are concerned, one feasible scenario would be trading the 28th pick and Jared Dudley, and cash considerations ($3M) for Iman Shumpert and Lamar Odom. The Knicks were previously linked....

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"As far as the Clippers are concerned, one feasible scenario would be trading the 28th pick and Jared Dudley, and cash considerations ($3M) for Iman Shumpert and Lamar Odom. The Knicks were previously linked to Dudley last summer in a straight up Shumpert swap--obviously Dudley's value has lowered in the last year, but it's hard to imagine that the Knicks would be adverse to buying low on a player they believed in last summer. Conveniently, this deal not only helps the Clippers gain athleticism and defense on the wing, but it also gives the team a little more wiggle room....

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A bit of a stretch but what would fantasy basketball without a little fun

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ob4g48f

Paul / Thomas

Reddick / Crawford / Green

Chandler / Tucker / Bullock

Griffin / Davis

Cousins / Hollins

Clippers can get a better back up center during free agency Other options would be to trade either Reddick or Crawford for a solid back up center

For example, a sign and trade involving Reddick for Hawes maybe get C.J. Miles along the way if possible

I'm all for trading Clippers draft pick for Shumpert to replace Reddick if traded

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Let's do the math here. We can get a player who is just as good of a defender as Shumpert with our 28th pick (Jerami Grant) for 4 years on a rookie contract or Iman Shumpert for a 1 year rental.

Unless Shumpert grows 3 inches (I don't mean his hair) and can play the SF position, we have no use for him.

Jerami Grant is going to be an assassin on defense and will instantly be our best wing defender.

NO SHUMP!!!!

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Yeah, Shump is not worth the 1st round pick. There are other SF's in this draft class with our realistic pick that we can grab that's better than him. Illyasova trade as well, but if it meant that we get rid of Dudley and his contract then MAYBE.

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Shumpert isn't even that good anyway. A first-round pick is a massive overpay.

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Looks like a good players with a lot of upside. Need to add a little more muscle , but looks like a nice piece

Jamison was old and Mullens stats were bad if you looked beyond just how many pts he was scoring, the guy was awful, so I wouldn't just paint a wide brush because we went and picked the guys who were not good (or old) anyways. Redick came from a lottery team too.

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I am thinking of it this way. Yes one year rental , but I am pretty sure we can resign for cheap if his value is so low as some of you suspect. With A....

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I am not talking age here. I am talking of their stats the previous season and how misleading they are. 10 points 5 Rebounds and over 35% from deep. Scored more PPG than any Clipper on....

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That's a lose-lose situation. If he's really good for us then we have to watch him get signed next year for too much money by another team. If he's really bad we can sign him, but he'd be really bad and that's not what we need.

Also why would we need cap room next year? There are no superstar free agents in 2015.

Shumpert is a really bad idea IMO. The way I see it is he'd probably be drafted in the 2nd round of this draft especially with his knee problems.

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I think we can get a good deal if we squeeze in on one of the big trades coming. In most picks we would have to include a pick of some sort to make it reasonable for us to be included.

Squeeze in on a Love trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mbehvzy

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=n3onzk3

Squeeze in on a Carmelo trade:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=pucvzo6 (probably have to throw in Bullock and/ or a 1st round pick)

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=oc8jm5o

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What if we can pry away John Henson from the bucks.. He is available for trade. He would be the perfect backup big for us.. Cheap, great size and length. Can rebound and block shots and catch the alley.. He is a younger Tyson Chandler type and what Hollins should of been. Check it out.

John Henson is available to be traded by the Bucks this offseason, according to the Racine Journal Times.

The Bucks know they are in the midst of a major rebuilding project after their 2013 offseason was one of the worst in recent memory. Henson has some talent and his length has really made him a plus rebounder and shot blocker, but he's not a franchise-type big man.

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Also David? Can We Consider An App? That Would Be Groovy

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Guys I am starting to come around to this John Henson kid. Great Length. Great Athlete. Can Block shots and can rebound. I can dig this guy. Needs to bulk up , but at 6'11" and 220 he has a lot of upside.

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We definitely need Henson. He fits an actual need for this team. Youth/Size/Athleticism/Defense

I will be very disappointed if we go after Shumpert and not Henson.

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So do you think Willie Green, Jared Dudley, and Our Drafted 28th Pick for Shumpert and Henson would be feasible? We have an insurance on Redick if he goes down with back spasms and things....

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We definitely need wing defense, but at the SF spot.

Shumpert could probably only give us 20 minutes a game max if JJ and Jamal are healthy.

I would take Shumpert, but not for our draft pick...or for anything NY will want for that matter. I would only consider Collison for Shump if we are guaranteed to get Livingston.

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Henson has a PER of 18.0 (DJ has an 18.2) so where is the source that Henson is available? And why would they give away a 7 footer with an 18 PER who's only making $1.9 mil?!? I'd love for this to be true, just doesn't make sense to me, & if its true... no wonder the Bucks can't get it together!!

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Last I remember players like Wesley Matthews,DWayne Wade, Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Tony Parker, Rose all quick PGs and other SGs will probably give Chris fits and our other guards fits. Instead of completely writing off....

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I just read, they would package Henson in order to move B. Knight and E. Ilyasova. So a trade would look something like this w/o Willie because DC would have a bigger contract, but DC probably won't want to go to Milwakee. but if we pulled off this trade, we get Pierce at Vet Min or BAE, we can still use MLE on a SF...

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ldl7xf5

Or if DC won't go to MIL, take both PGs out and add our 28th pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k7ouhuz

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I just feel that SF's can guard positions 1-3. SG's usually can only guard 1's and 2's.

I guess I wouldn't be terribly mad if we got Shump, but it wouldn't excite me.

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Hell, we had a Point Guard that 6 feet on a Small Forward that is about 6'10". So I feel Point Guard can guard small forwards. LoL. As soon as Shump gets a block or a....

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Source: Racine Journal Times

John Henson is available to be traded by the Bucks this offseason, according to the Racine Journal Times.

The Bucks know they are in the midst of a major rebuilding project after their 2013 offseason was one of the worst in recent memory. Henson has some talent and his length has really made him a plus rebounder and shot blocker, but he's not a franchise-type big man.

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I don't see Mil giving us Henson for anything we got, and I definitely don't see them throwing Illyasova on top of that.

I think if we get Livingston it decreases the need for Shump.

I am starting to think that Vasquez might be more balanced for what we need. He isn't the defender that Livingston is but has better shooting and is more suited to sit in as both a PG and SG for us due to that. Then we could concentrate on getting a solid 3. Working in on trade to get Wilson Chandler, or a sign and trade to get Ariza would be perfect.

I like Livingston with Jamal though, I think that duo would be great.

(still lacking defensively at the 2 spot, but at least the other spots bring it up) (Looking at giving up Reggie and probably a pick for Wilson)

CP3/Livingston

JJ/ Jamal/ Green

Wilson Chandler/ Barnes

Blake/ Ivan/ Frye

DJ/ Frye

Work a trade with Orlando to get Tobias or Harkless and Afflalo, whoever we can get.

CP3/Vasquez

Afflalo/ JJ/ Reggie

Tobias or Harkless/ Barnes/ Reggie

Blake/ Mike Scott

DJ/ Jordan Hill or Jason Smith

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I tend to agree. It is much easier to see how Henson fits, than Shumpert. Henson can backup both Blake and DJ, giving us a nice, relatively young, rotation and offer improved stability in the front court. Plus, he could serve as an insurance policy in the event that DJ and his agent look for too much money next off season. Shumpert can certainly guard, but has limited offensive and PG skills. So, we would have to play him in a lineup that is loaded offensively to compensate for this. Both would undoubtedly help our team, but of the two, I think Henson is the better get.

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I find it funny that most people think we are so close to true contention yet it seems like we don't have a single asset in addition to our core (aside from maybe DJ) that other teams would want. That feels contradictory to me.

Houston has chandler parsons, Asik and even Jeremy Lin

Golden state has Harrison barnes, klay Thompson, draymond green

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If the Bucks are rebuilding then we could give them our 28th pick for Henson. I like Henson better than anyone we could get at 28. He has potential to be better than DJ and in case we need to trade DJ with another player to get the small forward we need Henson would make that blow a lot softer if we started him at center

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You're getting closer to talking me into trading for Shump, but I'm not quite there yet.

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Does Mil think they are getting someone better than Henson with the 28th pick? I don't see why they trade a young player for a late first, that's still getting rookie deal money. I know they want to trade Larry, but I haven't heard of them really wanting to trade Henson for a late 1st. Maybe with a catch like you have to take OJ, but don't see why teams are trading us their young prospects just for the sake of having a late first round pick.

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henson is really dj like physically. 6'11" with a 7'5" wingspan(7'6" for dj) and a standing reach of 9'4" (9'5 1/2" for dj).henson is better offensively while dj is a beast on defense.these 2 together with blake would punish a lot of opposing bigs.

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You misunderstand, I mentioned age because Jamison produced well but was old and you can't be too sure how an old guy will produce in a new season especially if they have any injury or slow down. It happens all the time where they'll just drop off. Also remember that Jamison actually was on a playoff team too.

Every in depth reading of statistic said Mullens was a bad player, so it's just a bad example because his stats weren't good anyways, so saying well his stats were now bad as a Clipper isn't anything new, they were bad in Charlotte, but they were a bad team so they let him actually stay on the court so his volume stats looked good. It would have looked the same on LAC if he played a lot, but a good team can't afford to have him play many minutes.

Yes, and that's why I used Redick as an example, because you can't paint a wide brush on players coming from lottery teams. Redick's best productive stretch of his career before here was last season on Orlando. You have to look at if their production is actually good or just volume production on bad efficiency, you need to look at their play style, you need to look at how they produce. You can't just say "we can't trust production on a bad team". We also can't trust production on a good team sometimes, some players look better than they are because of a system and in other teams that don't have as good a system the aren't as successful.

There's no set rule. You just have to always look at how the player is producing, their skill-set and what role you want to play them in. Mullens was in the bottom 8th of players in the NBA in 12-13 despite his supposedly "good" stats. What are Henson's strengths? Rebounding and shot blocking. Those aren't things that aren't good or bad team dependent, his value depends on whether he fouls too much or not, whether he plays smart on offense, how efficient he is as a scorer etc.

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Who says no?

Bucks Get: Nikola Pekovich

Bulls Get: Kevin Love

Clippers Get: Taj Gibson/John Henson

TWolves Get DeAndre/Tony Snell/16th & 19th pick

Our Roster:

CP3/Collison

Redick/Jamal/Bullock

MLE SF/Barnes/Dudley

Griffin/Gibson

Henson/McGary

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I say we only trade DJ if we have to get Carmelo or someone like that

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You'd probably end up starting Gibson with that roster. Henson isn't a C btw, the same way despite his length Davis isn't a guy you want to force to play C. He can certainly become one, but at the moment he's just too weak.

Is there a significant enough improvement to shake up the roster? Basically you're trading DJ to make Gibson your starting C and have Henson who is a PF off the bench. I don't think it's worth it.

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Trade up for Aaron Gordon lol

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http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nlsz9b4

I don't know if this is realistic or not, but it would help tremendously if we could manage to pull it off.

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No doubt that adding Henson and dumping Dudley at the cost of Bullock would be a pretty good move. Henson would definitely be an upgrade off the bench. If I were MIL I would rather keep Henson though.

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Agreed , Agent. I never said Henson was a bad player. I just said I get red flags on players from lottery teams. I feel their stats may be a little inflated. If a player....

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Give up our starting center for an undersized backup power forward? Yeah i say no.

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Okay, yes, that's true, and like we know, not all 15-10 is made equal. 15-10 on 14 FGA is totally different from 15-10 on 10 FGA with 60% FG. Generally rebounding is not something you can pad too easily, because good teams still don't just let you get rebounds. Rebounds usually get padded if you have bad rebounding teammates, not a bad team. So a guy on a good team could have padded rebounds if the team has sucky rebounders. Scoring on the other hand can be padded, especially by guys who take a ton of shots to score a lot less points than should be created from those shots.

Like our friend Mullens who took 10.6 FGA to score 10.6 pts and was a 38% FG / 31.7% 3PT big man, that's just BAD scoring. He'd be more useful to a good team if he didn't shoot at all because then at least people who can make better use of those shots would get to take them. Now to be fair to him, he ended up going 20/50 3PT in his 18 games in Philly and 46.5% FG, but his atrocious defense still wouldn't work for us.

Gary Neal got overratted by being on the Spurs, that was part of the issue, he was basicallya Randy Foye type player. Milwaukee put him in a position were he is creating more, that was not the role for him, and on a bad team with few good shooters he got more attention. He did start to chuck in SA too. That's why he looked better in Charlotte, actually even better than his last season in SA where he had dropped off a little from his first two seasons. I think he seemingly vanished because he went to a bad team not because his game was any different or he got worse.

SAS (12-13): 9.5 / 2.1 / 1.9 / 41.2% FG / 35.5% 3PT / .512 TS% / 11.2 PER / 21.8 mpg

MIL (13-14): 10 / 1.7 / 1.5 / 39.0% FG / 36.0% 3PT / .500 TS% / 11.2 PER / 20.2 mpg

...but who really cares to watch Milwaukee? That was basically the exact same player production wise though, and he was still a below average defender in both places.

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I'd like to try to squeeze in on the trade Utah is trying to do with Cleveland. Let's go get Alec Burks.

I know he doesn't have the best defensive stats, but I think he has all the tools and is young enough to soak in a lot.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k8rvq4u

Throw in our 1st.

Essentially would be Jamal, Duds our 1st for Alec Burks, Tyler Zeller, and Alonzo Gee.

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Sacramento trying to dish out their 8th pick to Detoit for Josh Smith http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtf37qc We could squeeze in there and solve our backup big with Landry and Evans at the PF. SAC would be fine with this....

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DeAndre to Boston for the 6th pick makes sense for both teams.

Clippers cut $11mil of salary to sign LeBron (more moves would be needed obviously)

Boston gets the young/athletic rim protector they desperatly need.

We draft Dante Exum and for the first two years is our 6th man off the bench then later moves into the starting 2 spot and then eventually takes Chris's spot 5-7 years from now.

That's my wacky scenario for the day

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Sacramento trying to dish out their 8th pick to Detoit for Josh Smith http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtf37qc We could squeeze in there and solve our backup big with Landry and Evans at the PF. SAC would be fine with this because it increases their chances of signing Rondo , " they say " This is a reasonable trade. We do not bring in much salary. We get SAC the veteran they wanted in Dudley. We send Willie Green home to Detroit as his career gets to the tail-end, don't know how much longer he has left. And we get two great backup Power Forwards that could....

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Sacramento trying to dish out their 8th pick to Detoit for Josh Smith http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=mtf37qc We could squeeze in there and solve our backup big with Landry and Evans at the PF. SAC would be fine with this because it increases their chances of signing Rondo , " they say " This is a reasonable trade. We do not bring in much salary. We get SAC the veteran they wanted in Dudley. We send Willie Green home to Detroit as his career gets to the tail-end, don't know how much longer he has left. And we get two great backup Power Forwards that could....

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Now sure how you include Hollins in a trade since he's a FA. wink
I had to get his salary off the books because on ESPN Trade Machine. He still on salary so his salry....

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