imagine what bringing cp3 here would do for deandre's game. wow

Ellis is a jackass. Listen to the guy talk and you won't want him. There's an interview they came out in a paper or blog the last day or two and he's a fool.

alright, we got blown out by the hornets tonight without CP3. horrible. so, we trade baron for monta ellis, cause monta is gonna request a trade on thursday. don nelson says he's tired of coaching young players. we give them baron back, they give us monta to pair up with EJ in the back court. it works and i say we do it. we then fire dunleavy and hire scott or move lucas up to head coach.

Toronto fans aren't to happy with Calderon right now. I wonder if they'd be willing to bring in Bosh's buddy?

Ya I dont want Ellis only because of the fact hes suspect character wise and kind of a ball hog. Lets get a young upcoming PG

For no reason I really want Beasley on our team right now.

who would not be happy with that guy? he has a great stroke, and passes great. id take him.

I would do that in a heartbeat... I just can't stand watching Baron play basketball... He's the antithesis of a leader and a winner. He's only interested in having fun and is unwilling to do the hard work it takes to win games and improve your skills, like bending your knees and working on defense, or taking 500 jump shots a day in the summer to improve your shooting.

The problem with Ellis is that he's very suspect as a PG... And I'd still do it.

The reason is because Blake is hurt. But I'd gladly wait for Blake then have Beasley.

I as going to play him at the 3. I know his skill set doesn't cater to our need just wanted to see how it looked. I'll try it on NBA 2k10 just on the curious tip. lol

I was going to play him at the 3. I know his skill set doesn't cater to our need just wanted to see how it looked. I'll try it on NBA 2k10 just on the curious tip. lol

I think it goes to show we're still in need of a dynamic SF. I didn't see tonight's game, but I just checked the box score and it looks like Thornton did pretty well, which is good news since he's starting to snap out of whatever funk was getting him down (I read it had something to do with losing too much weight to quickly, but hopefully he's adjusted).

Can anyone confirm whether Thornton's game tonight is as good as the boxscore indicates?

^^^ A wing who can block shots, rebound the ball and create assists. That should be our target for the summer of 2010, if not sooner.

reminds me of exactly t prince. a younger version of him would have to be, anthony randolph? i think that guy can be a great defensive stopper with a little work. im sure we can snag him at the right price, since Nellie is really hating on his young guys right now.

I think it goes to show we're still in need of a dynamic SF. I didn't see tonight's game, but I just checked the box score and it looks like Thornton did pretty well, which is good news since he's starting to snap out of whatever funk was getting him down (I read it had something to do with losing too much weight to quickly, but hopefully he's adjusted).

Can anyone confirm whether Thornton's game tonight is as good as the boxscore indicates?

How about trading Baron, Ricky, and Kaman for Gilbert Arenas, and Caron Butler. Our Line up would be
PG Gilbert Arenas/ Bassy
SG Eric Gordon/ Rasual
SF Caron Butler/ Al Thornton
PF Blake Griffin/ Craig Smith
C Marcus Camby/ DeAndre Jordan


Or this trade
Baron Davis, Thornton, and Ricky Davis for Chris Paul, and Julian Wright

Mays how do you feel about the way Baron has been playing the past three games? I really think that he is finally beginning to earn his keep, and if he keeps it up then the deal will not have been a bust

I think he's scored more points, because he's taken more shots and shot a better percentage; 54%. This is mostly because he's getting to the hoop. His 3-point shooting has remained an abysmal 30% during the last three. I would expect him to have hot streaks with his shooting. He'll also have cold streaks and in the end, he'll shoot around 38%.

I think when you spend superstar money on a player, you're looking for him to bring the team wins, not maintain his own stats while the team loses. The fact is, we lost two out of three to some of the worst teams in the league while he was scoring... I think Baron is still capable of scoring, because he shoots alot and still has enough athleticism left to get his shot. I think he'll still get his assists because he dominates the ball and often doesn't give it up unless there is the potential to get an assist...

But long gone are the days when he used to strike fear into teams, when teams had to double him to get the ball out of his hands. Teams so far have been very content not to double him ever. I can't think of a single time when he drew a double.

I think he's so lazy defensively, except when gambling for steals (which count as stats) that he sets a negative tone. These last two games, our defense has been pathetic, for a variety of reasons... Butler is better defending a 3 than a quicker 2... Thornton has improved his D, but still hasn't approached being a good defender... Kaman, while a good on ball defender in the post, makes a lot of bad choices in coming off his man. Jordan isn't ready defensively or offensively yet... And, as I said before, Baron is a lazy defensively. There was a play last night where Conley just blew him away off the dribble going to his strong hand and Baron never even moved. Kaman had to come over to help and Conley dumped it to Gasol for an easy two while Baron barely turned his head at the foul line so he could see it.

I just don't think Baron thinks the game very well, has a winners attitude (see Sam Cassell), or leads a team very well or sets a positive example to younger players. I don't think he works well with his coaches, as has been proven by not only Dumbleavy, but Byron Scott and Nelson, all who had run ins with him... I don't trust him to bring his best effort night in and night out, let alone for the next three years of his contract after this one. I don't trust the words that come out of his mouth. He talked about how excited he was to be a Clipper, but showed up to his first camp fat and out of shape. He recently talked about what a good coach Byron Scott was, but feuded with him openly when he played for him... I think we'd be smart to get out from under his contract if we could because he's not getting any better.

But he will have hot streaks and traces of the stunning athleticism he had four years ago remain... Still, I'd rather have three quarters of the starting PGs in the league, many of whom make a lot less money... A guy like Chauncy Billups doesn't have nearly Baron's talent, but is a ten times better player because he thinks the game (which is vital for a PG) and has a winners mentality.

Would we be giving too much value if we traded Kaman for Ellis? There contracts are about the same. Kaman is the best center in the league right now, which show how weak the league is on centers. I be hesitant to do this trade, but it makes sense.

I think were stuck with Baron, but its not a bad guy to be stuck with, just an expensive contract.

I would not trade Kaman just to clear Baron contract to cap room. Bad move.

Hell Ya, I'd Trade Kaman for Ellis straight up!!! This gives us a Scorer off the bench that can Play Both PG and SG position!!! OR Better Yet Kaman and Butler for Ellis and Anthony Morrow or Anthony Randolph (Either One Will Do)!!!

C) Camby and DJ
PF) Blake and Rhyno (Or Randolph)
SF) Thornton and (Either Randolph or Morrow)
SG) Gordon and Ellis (Or Morrow)
PG) Baron and Ellis and Telfair

Would this qualify as a trade idea? Because there's a thread for that.

Trade Kaman For Danny Granger!!! This Will Give Us A SF Thats Highly Capable OF Scoring In Many Ways Especially 3 Point Shooting Which We Really Need and A Pretty Good Defensive Player!!!

(Highly Sure That We Would Ripping Indiana Off But It But Who Cares, Maybe We Can Throw In Butler Too!!!)

Trade Kaman For Danny Granger!!! This Will Give Us A SF Thats Highly Capable OF Scoring In Many Ways Especially 3 Point Shooting Which We Really Need and A Pretty Good Defensive Player!!!

(Highly Sure That We Would Ripping Indiana Off But It But Who Cares, Maybe We Can Throw In Butler Too!!!)

Forgot we passed on Granger.lol

Trade Kaman For Danny Granger!!! This Will Give Us A SF Thats Highly Capable OF Scoring In Many Ways Especially 3 Point Shooting Which We Really Need and A Pretty Good Defensive Player!!!

(Highly Sure That We Would Ripping Indiana Off But Who Cares, Maybe We Can Throw In Butler Too!!!)