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clipperfan714
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With 16 games left, and 1/2 game out, and 1/2 game ahead, I keep thinking....is it really worth getting the 8th spot, and going one and done, or is it better to take our chances at the lottery?

I don't want the CLIPPERS to tank games, but just looking at their brutal schedule, we may be on the outside looking in.

But it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. We are not in a rebuilding phase, we have 3 out 5 positions solidified.

The way I look at it, the balls in our court, and we have the advantage to make a deal for a veteran, or get a young prospect.

If I am not mistaken, do we have not only our own draft pick, but Minnesotas as well (Cassell / Jaric trade) ???

If so, then we definitley can make some noise.

Thoughts gentlemen ????????????????????????

jlemmen43
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Well If you ask me, the DIFFERENCE between drafting as maybe the last playoff team AND drafting as a low lottery selection is only a few picks (unless we win a top 3 spot in the draft lottery - which as we all know is very unlikely). It's probably gonna be us drafting with the 14th, 15th or 16th pick. I really hope we make the playoffs and although unlikely but still possible - we take a few games from the Mavs and give them one hell of a battle. Do we have a better team than Golden State, New Orleans, Sacramento and Minnesota?? I think we do. Just because of that, we should be in the playoffs, because that's our competition for 8th. It must be earned though.

And if the ball swings our way...via Minnesota getting to the spot we need them to be at to get their draft selection...we get two first rounders. We could still have a shot at the lottery picks with Minny's pick, make the playoffs and get a pick in the middle of the 1st round. That's our best scenario. Plus we get a 2nd round pick. With the talent coming out of this draft just from the college ranks, we should have no problem getting some good players to add to our already good team that just needs improvement in some areas.

Miquel
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I know it has been commented many times but...How can get Minnessota's pick? Thanx. On the other hand I prefer to play the PO and try to make some noise...I wanna see the whole Staples wearing the red tees and supporting the team as the best fans we are Smile

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Hey Miguel - Minny threw in a future first round pick as part of the Cassell for Jaric deal (thanks for the bonus). But it is "protected": as long Minny's pick is in the top ten, they get to keep it and the offer rolls over to the next year. It keeps rolling over until Minny's pick is not in the top then; then the Clippers finally get it. (I don't know if there's any time limit on the deal or on the protection).

I agree whole heartedly with jlemmens; view, that's what I've been saying too. But if we get 2 1st round picks, our roster will be pretty full, and I don't think a 2nd round pick would make the team. LAC has several players already signed fo next year, and Diaz and "Baby Shaq" could join as well. Very crowded!

JamFan
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That is why I have been saying that if we end up with 2 lottery picks,our and Minney's, we should try to trade up into one of the the top 5 spots and snag one really great player instead of getting two lesser players.

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I think the Minny pick is top 10 protected through 2010, so the best we could do is get it at #11 (assuming Minnesota can win some games get the 11th worst record- right now I think they're the 10th worst team). So if it's #10 or better, they get to keep the pick.

And yeah if we could trade 2 picks for 1 that may be better as JamFan said. They could also be packaged with other player(s) for a trade for an all-star level player.

jlemmen43
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JamFan...I would defintely go with what you said about trading the two picks up for a better pick. Our roster is gonna be pretty full, so why not get the best PG in the draft by moving up some picks.

Hawaii_Carter
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First, I want to reiterate the fact that the difference between coming 8th and 9th in regards to the lottery is not worth comparing. It would be in our best interests to still make the playoffs and try to establish ourselves as 'regulars' in the playoffs.

I think the best case scenario for us is to get our hands on the Minnesota pick this year (if it is available to us) and trade up to a higher position in the draft. We are in a terrible situation, in regards to who would should draft considering that we are in dire needs of a point guard. With Livingston out indefinately and Cassell falling apart we need a point guard, worthy of starting for next season. Unfortunately, the draft is not loaded with quality point guards, and so, it is debatable whether or not it is worth it to draft a Point Guard. In the event of us not drafting a point guard we would then have to look to free agency where there appears to be no one really worthwhile considering. If anyone I would be interested in Luke Ridnour who is a restricted free agent, if my mind is correct.

Now with the issue regarding Point Guard people have seemingly forgotten the Small Forward issue with Corey Maggette and whether or not we keep him for one more year and then lose him through his player option afterwards. Will the conflict between Coach and him continue? Is it going to be worthwhile to trade him or not?

I think this point leads in to the next one which questions the actual talent on this team. I think the biggest mistake made by this team last offseason was staying practically pat and making our major free agent signing Tim Thomas. We don't have much caproom this offseason but we don't have a plethora of great players, more so a lot of mediocre players, which makes it harder to decide who to keep or to move. On the whole, most of the team would stay and we would have the option of bringing Sofo, Diaz and our first rounder in but will these guys truly push us to the next level?

2007-08:

C: Chris Kaman/ Zeljko Rebraca/ Paul Davis

PF: Elton Brand /Aaron Williams/ James Singleton

SF: Corey Maggette/ Tim Thomas/ Yaroslav Korolev

SG: Cuttino Mobley/ Quinton Ross

PG: / Sam Cassell/ Daniel Ewing

All starters are locked in, minus Maggette who still could be traded, although it seems improbable. And Cassell will be hard to budge with his big contract and inability to get on the court. Tim Thomas, unless traded will also stay. Aaron Williams and Zeljko Rebraca are hurting this team right now with their contracts compared to their production. They should both be cut. Hopefully, Ewing does get an offer elsewhere and this team makes some significant changes. Another question of concern is Quinton Ross who, after starting well has been riddled with injuries and still struggles to hold his own offensively. Is it just me, or does this team just not look as deep nor intimidating as the years prior?

With this team practically forced to be idle, unless making trades, I feel best is to cut A-Train and Z so we could have room to make changes. From there, sign a PG of the likes of Luke Ridnour and then fill the bench with defenders and shooters. I can't find a list of free agents atm so i'm a bit stuck for ideas. If someone has one, hook us up Very Happy

david
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Yeah it's definitely hard to figure out what the Clippers should do at this point. I think once the season is over there will be better visibility. But yup as of right now they don't have too much flexibility in payroll.

Benoit_Benjamin
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I'd like to go after a guy like Mo Williams (Bucks). He's a free agent this summer and he's a scoring point guard, which is what I think the Clippers need, and averages over 6 assists a game. I haven't heard if he's looking to move from Milwaukee or what the Clippers can offer him (straight up or in a sign and trade) but he's someone I would go after hard if possible. After the Clippers-Bucks game in Milwaukee, I saw Cassel and him walking to the dressing room together. Maybe Sam was doing a little unofficial recruiting!

JamFan
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David had a good thought, how about our two 1st round lottery picks (if we really do end up getting them) and Maggette for a top pick that gets us Durant or Oden. If we get Oden, does that make Elton a small forward? What a front line we would have then.

jlemmen43
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I'd be more than willing to accomodate Oden into our current lineup. Oden doesnt need to start. He can be a strong bench performer when Kaman gets in foul trouble, or when Brand needs a break. He is only 19 right and he'll have plenty more years to perform. I'm watching Ohio State take it to Memphis...and Oden is such a force inside. It does help that Memphis is an overrated team who relies on athleticism and shooting to win...and that they cant play defense unless blocking shots in college b-ball is called defense. Can you tell I really dislike Memphis, hehe.

We could even play a big lineup with Brand, Kaman, Oden or revert to our normal lineup. He would give us flexibility at our inside game (someone who will throw it down finally), lots of hype and attention (which could be good for the Clips, even though I think us fans are attracted to the fact that everyone forgets the Clips), and a proven game. Nobody doubts that he can perform at a high level now.

jlemmen43
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Also...Benoit...Mo Williams would be a good pickup!!! He is a pure PG, who can score!!! Thanks for letting us know about him.

JamFan
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One interesting player on the draft boards that might fall to the Clippers is the 7 footer from China named Yi, not Yao. A lot of NBA teams have been sending over scouts to check him out and the reports are he is more Dirk Nowinski and Yao Ming. He shoots the 3 and can dribble drive. Ok, Dave, go ahead, find us some more of that You Tube footage that we can watch of this guy. I can't wait.

Miquel
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I have seen him playing and I was not impressed.Yes.He's tall but nothing else.It seems that if you are a 7 footer then you become automatically a top prospect.I guess there will be better players when we will pick.Furthermore he's playing in China and it says a lot about the players that he has to face...Last World Championship he played with Yao and he didn't do anything special.

I think that Mo Williams could be an interesting piece for our team,too.Great idea Benoit. I remember him playing in Utah (with Spaniard Raul Lopez) and I had a great impression of him...Nice option

david
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I've seen him play in the World Championships. He has some skills and a nice touch from the perimeter, but he couldn't make much of an impact as his team kept getting hammered. Also he seems a little too skinny, so on defense he's going to have some problems guarding power forwards. And if he plays SF he might get out-quicked. Still his size and skills are intriguing and he'll probably be gone by the time the Clippers pick. Here's a compilation video of Yi Jianlian:

Here he is in a Nike commercial:

Here he is driving by Miquel's friend Pau Wink for a monster dunk:

JamFan
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Ok, I just checked and Yi is only 19 years old. Even Kobe wasn't a world beater at 19. It is better that he at least has had experience playing pro and in the Worlds. It is also nice that he has an outside jumper and can shoot from the 3 but none of the videos showed any of that. It did show a lot of drives to the hoop against little guys who couldn't guard him. In the NBA, it remains to be seen if his post moves will work against players bigger and stronger than him. His best shot is one that Luke Walton has been using with success this season. When Luke is in the lane about 10 feet out, he backs up and does a fall away jumper. Luke does it because he doesn't want to challenge taller players going to the hoop in the lane. Yi, does it beautifully, and with his height, it could be his most unstoppable shot. Back up, fall away, nothing but net. Nothing you can do against a 7 footer who can do that.

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