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Clipper_FaN
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ESPN's Chad Ford reports:

  1. Vince Carter, Nets

No one was sure what the Nets were thinking when they gave Carter that huge $66 million contract in the summer of 2007. Carter's game was already in decline, and New Jersey's chances of competing for a title looked slim. By midseason, Jason Kidd was gone. Then Richard Jefferson was shipped off on draft night. Now Carter is the only star left on a once-proud franchise. It's clear the Nets are rebuilding and clearing cap space for the summer of 2010. While Carter could provide a stabilizing force on such a young team, I'm not sure owner Bruce Ratner wants to pay Carter an average of $16 million a year to be a mentor on a lottery team.

The most obvious fit for Vince might be in L.A., as the Lakers are looking for a more traditional small forward, and the Nets would love to make a Carter-for-Odom swap that would clear another huge chunk of salary off their books. But his terrible contract is making the Lakers (and everyone else) think twice. If the Lakers aren't interested, the Clippers might be.

A swap of Carter for Cuttino Mobley and Tim Thomas would help the Nets cut costs and give the Clippers a better shot at being competitive. One way or another, expect Nets president Rod Thorn to work his magic and find a good deal, just as he did when he originally acquired Carter.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/s ... alk-081015

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TheCalmInsanity
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Hell no, Carter is on his way down, and this totally kills our chance of getting a free agent in 2010!!!

Not only that but we also lose a player. We'll need each one that we can get. And who's minutes would he take? Probably Al Thornton's.. Do you want to see Al Thornton being a backup?

Clipper_FaN
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One question is Kobe a free agent in 2010?

sz123456
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Kobe could potentially be a free agent after this 2008/2009 season if he chooses to terminate his contract, but with that overseas team offering him 50 million a year or so, I wouldn't expect him to come to the Clips (unfortunately).

As far as Carter goes, it could work, but it is just too big of a risk. He would be really excited to play with Baron, Kaman, and the Davis' and he would play pretty hard, but his contract is a nightmare. I'm wondering if Chad Ford posted that as a hypothetical for the Clippers or if he had any kind of inside information? In any case, I think CAT is gonna be really effective this year working with Baron, so is TT, trade's not worth it

ekker3
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OH HELL NO. 2010 or bust. carters's 17 million goes to 2011.

i dont hate mobley or timmay THAT much. lol

Jay.r
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I agree. Unless its C. Bosh, Amare or one of these kind of players that would put us over the hump, I say no.

clipfan619
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I agree with you guys, not a good trade for the clippers. NO and NO Thanks!

Miquel
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I totally agree. I'm pretty sure Dunleavy is not so silly to accept this awful trade

mike42
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Please

No

mike42
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Chad Ford,

talking through his

a**.

again!

sz123456
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Now if you were offering say SHAWN MARION for CAT and TT, considering the fact that the Matrix only has one year left on his contract, that's a tempting deal. We'd have so many players trying to inflate their next big contract, they would play their hearts out!

steveeeec
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if the nets are offering it, it is very hard to say no becuase cuttino mobley has struugled so far i know its pre season but u still should make shots tim is good but steve novak looks like he could fill that role and vince is better then cat there both on there way down and besides he is a free agent in 2010 so if they are offering i would do it but thats all i would do it for any one else then no.

sz123456
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Well over the next four years Vince is gonna be owed roughly 15, 16, 17, and 18 million. For that kind of money, you could get any superstar and there are plenty of players out there. Also keep in mind that Vince is already in his 30's, and nobody would take him off our hands if we decided later we didn't want him

Icecoldclipper
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Damn is Vince had a deal up to 2010 I'd jump on this deal so fast your head should spin. I don't see Vince hurting anyones mins as he is effective, but he still can't go as long as he used to so he would need EG and Ricky to back him up.

I'm in a win now mode (not a title but making noise in the west nontheless) this would help but getting a superstar now when we have enough money to sign TWO is crazy.

EI_Nino_Jesus
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Wow so many people are saying yes lol

jlemmen43
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Chris Bosh in 2010....hopefully.

dwb
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Tempting... very tempting. But, I have to agree with those who are saying that Vince is on the downside of his career, and 2010 is NOT that far off. We'll then have big money to throw at a YOUNGER star. If you're going to pay someone that much, you might as well be as certain as you can that he's viable for the length of the contract you sign him to, and at full strength. Not to mention the fact that Vince is not without his own baggage, with questions about his giving 100 percent all of the time. That's a lot of money to risk on what amounts to less than a sure thing. Of course there's no such thing as a sure thing, but Vince is less so than need be. This year's team has some pretty fine potential as it sits, I'm for playing out this string and seeing what 2010 brings. I will admit the prospect is tempting, but all that glitters...

krapper11
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VC is not even close to tempting in my mind! giving up cat and TT for VC would be a catastrophe! cat is currently our best perimeter defender, a great team guy/mentor, and plays tough(through injuries)....TT has the ability to stretch the floor and bait opposing 4's out to the 3 pt line, has a fairly effective post game, and can occasionally heat up for 20+ pts in limited minutes....VC cant play a lick of D nor has he ever been known to be a veteran team guy, hes declining just as fast as cat and has been known to bitch and complain if not get injured....i think WE would be giving up WAAAAY to much if that deal went down! HELL NO!

Icecoldclipper
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^^^ lol damn I would do it for Joe Johnson though

Derty_Bert
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Johnson yes, but Carter no. We don't need him just another player like Q Ross would be fine. Picture Ross and Taylor on the floor at the same time.

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Sorry I'm all for it. Bdiddy alley oops to Vince? VC can start at the 2 and Thornton at 3, with EG and Ricky backing them up. We can use Novak to spread the floor instead of TT. I'm all about winning right now.

toohipcliptoslip
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Carter is on his way out. His knees are questionable and he's lost a lot of his athleticism. He's admitted that he slacked for a few years and even needed his mother to protect him. Also no defense. I wouldn't trade Cat for him straight up even if money weren't an issue

krapper11
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the people who keep saying "i wanna win NOW, who cares about cap space" are narrow minded idiots(although there are a lot less here than there are on other sites)....yeah VC could do some damage for a season, MAYBE two....but i guarantee you when 2010 rolls around and we have a completely over-the-hill VC chucking up horrible shots and getting DOMINATED defensively, while earning upwards of $17 million when we could've had a shot at a stud like bosh, amare, or lebron in their prime you will be cursing the FO for making the STUPIDEST move in clippers history! is VC gonna put us over the top? NO, not even close....can bosh or amare or lebron or even the likes of nowitski put us over the top? they damm well could! thats not even mentioning the fact that we just drafted eric gordon with our #7 pick! why put him foreseeably on the back burner when this kid has the makings of a star?! or even worse what if he starts, and then we have $17 million backing him up?! lets just stop all this VC madness.....you guys are fools who think VC would help this team!!!

Derty_Bert
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Tell em krapper, I already see bosh coming.

EI_Nino_Jesus
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AMARE!

TheCalmInsanity
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Bosh and Jordan, the double lefty nightmare...

clipperloyal11
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definitely bosh. it seems like him and baron are real good friends from the video they made. im thinkin baron is doin his best to try and get bosh over here

dwb
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Bosh in 2010 would be ideal, as might Amare or one of the other supers available in that sweepstakes year. Ok. But we should recognize that when that time comes, we will be in competition for these guys... and there are no locks. Just because we have money to spend doesn't mean that we'll sign anybody. Bosh for instance. You think Toronto is just going to let him walk, or that he won't feel any loyality at all towards them and whatever offer they make to keep him? If anybody should know that there are no guarantees with NBA signings, it should be us, right? Wasn't it just a few months ago that we all were picturing Baron running with Brand and Corey? I'm for holding out to see what might develop in 2010, but it does seem at least prudent to consider all of your options as they occur. I like Gordon a lot. Originally I wanted to draft one of the points, but once we got Gordon I had to like the pick. I think that he's the future at the two for us, but if we didn't have him then Carter might not be such a radical proposition for management if they were serious about winning now.

MrB
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A potential bonehead move in the making? Possibly. It's now on MDsr. The key things that Ford said was that Carter is on the decline and his inflated contract. MDsr. would have to be out of his mind to make this deal. The team would take a huge step back in more ways then one.

Please say "NO" MD!!!!!!

toohipcliptoslip
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If our current cubs turn into monsters which they probably will, add Bosh to the mix and we're talking poss championship if BD and CK are healthy. Maybe we can keep Camby. Carter is a disaster for us. It looks like Gordon will start soon and Taylor can play SG as well as PG.

PG Davis, Hart Taylor

SG Gordon, Taylor,Cat, Ricky

SF AL Ricky Cat.

Why Carter?

rollingkiwi92
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well actually, carter's an sg. so he wouldnt be taking up at's minutes, but eg's minutes. thats a big NO! that could mess up gordons whole game.

krapper11
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dwb are you serious? if anything you just proved my point that there are NO loyalties in professional sports!

dwb
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Aw krapper11, is EVERYONE as mercenary as all that? Brand was only one story out of a big book. Supposedly even he left for more money, or a better offer. If Toronto's deal is as sweet as ours then sure, I could easily see Bosh staying, assuming that there's nothing else important in his mind to be gained by leaving. It just depends on him. He may feel he has a great family situation there as an example of a good "added" intangible reason to stay. There are other factors too. Lots of guys have taken less money, or shorter contracts for the chance at a ring for instance. I realize that it was a slightly bygone era, but Bird was famous for not following the money and staying in Boston where he was comfortable and happy, even at a slight financial loss. There have been others who felt the same way. Geez man, is there THAT much difference between 18 mil a year and 20 if you're in a good situation? Besides, when your arguement includes statements like "there are NO loyalties in professional sports", it presumes that EVERYONE thinks the same way. I'm pretty sure that's not the case. It may unfortunately be the norm, but it's not universal.

krapper11
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all of your arguments can go either way dwb. all i'm saying is the intangibles the clippers will hold in 2010(if we presumably keep our team intact) will most likely be far more lucrative than most other teams, bidding for an all-star, can offer....if you take into account our new supposedly $50 million training facility....thats basically a team 1 solid PF away from contending for a championship, whos playing in one of the premier markets in professional sports, with some of the best facilities and training staff the league has to offer, all the while making max money for playing the sport you love(keep in mind most stars are going with shorter contacts these days because of the lure to re-sign while in their prime)....i think we have more to offer than most teams when it comes down to it....

could bosh or amare want to retire in their respective cities and never really test the open market? yes. but if those teams are not looking like perennial contenders(which both teams future are looking a little shaky) when free agency comes around in 2010, we may have more of a chance than you think....

MrB
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The Clips have to wait til 2010 to make a move. Dunleavy said on the website 35 mil to spend for that year. Thats crazy to think we can spend that much. It won't all go to one player. That's for sure. It sure is a heavy bargaining chip to have. DON'T WASTE IT ON VINSANITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Icecoldclipper
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There are some downsides to joining the Clippers Franchise if we don't start making playoff apperances now:

-You are heavily discredited by the media

-Will be considered the other team of L.A. damn near forever

-The player will never really be the face of L.A. while Kobe is in the league.

-It becomes that much harder to get star attention when Kobe and Baron are in L.A.

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