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JamFan
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Whether or not we have one lottery pick or two, we still need to improve our roster and fix the glaring needs. If the goal is to get to the finals next year, modest changes will not get the job done. We will need a franchise PG and and a franchise Shooter. I say that you extend Maggette and build around Corey and Brand. Those two players were the only ones producing night in and night out, and playing at a championship level. Everybody else is trade bait as far as I am concerned. Kaman probably can not be traded because of his new contract and his lack of production last season, so we just better he comes back next season snorting flames like a bull. Mobley needs to become a 6th man because we need a consistant prolific shooter. And we will need a championship level PG. Anything less, and we will be at the end of next season, about where we are today. It is time for management to step up to the plate and hit two grand slams. We are two great players away from getting there.

clipperfan714
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When it comes to management, it looks like Sterling, Baylor, & Dumbleavy all have their own agenda. It's a 3 headed monster, in which all have power trips, and can't seem to agree on what they want to do.

So who is going to make the decision?

But I agree that the Clippers should retain Maggette & Brand, they need a "premiere veteran" point guard that can do what Hart did, only3-5 times as better and more productive.

But 1st things 1st, I am curious to see where we end up with our own draft pick as well as Minnesota's.

jlemmen43
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I'm in agreeance with what you said JamFan. Those are the two biggest areas of work we need to improve on. Is Jason Hart good enough to start at PG for us and lead us to victory??? I guess we'll find out if they re-sign him. The Clips dont have any room left to sign anyone (cap wise), so even retaining Hart may be hard. Even more than a solid PG, we need a consistent shooter. When Brand is inside pounding and Maggette drives to the hole, we need to pick it up on the outside and make our shots. Will Mobley and Thomas improve?? Well they're both not very young, so I'm not sure that's gonna happen. We need to trade Tim Thomas, play James Singleton and find the shooter. Is Arron Afflalo our man?? Ray Allen?? I dunno, but we'll be interested to find out.

clipperfan714
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Damn, how good did Iverson look tonight against San Antonio????

I am so bent! One could only imagine the possibilities of where we would be.

Sorry for dwelling guys!

Benoit_Benjamin
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I hear you clipperfan714. I think the Clippers and us fans will be "dwelling" on that mistake for a long time...even though some on here are trying to deny that it was a mistake. I still can't believe that some peolpe would take Livingston (and some say they'd take an injured Livingston) over Allen Iverson!! Crazy man, crazy.

toohipcliptoslip
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Warriors v Bulls finals . In reply to David's improvement's, 3 point shooters are born not made. Kayman needs a lot of things but I believe his main problem is attitude and confidence. He needs to spend a month with Karl Malone. #50 needs to work on 3's and ball handling. His offensive fouls are down but he has to stop the silly turn overs, 12 in 2 games. At 33 1/3% shooting for opponents that's 4 pts which would have won 2 games. We can live with strips going to the rack but silly passes? He's the only guy other that PG who can handle the ball. Drive and kick. EB will never be a 3 pointer. Hart, agree, Singleton agree(maybe the only way he'll get minutes is to buy Dumb leavy another cheap suit). Will the LAL really go after J O'Neil and J Tinsley? I can't imagine JO being a serf to King Kobe.

I think everyone is expendable except 42,50 and Hart. Hart is bargain basement. Don't expect SC to be a big factor. The only athletes I can think of who did well at that age are Mutombo and Archie Moore. The West will be outrageous next yr and we have to make BIG changes.

Miquel
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What we can do right now?Simply smile looking the warriors defeating the Mavs...I know the Warriors are the team which have stolen us the PO spot but I don't mind...For these PO I'm gonna cheer the Warriors.It would be so funny if GS finally defeats Dallas...The Mavs simply thought that they wouldn't have any problem and right now 0-1.I must say that although I know Dirk is a great player, I don't like him

david
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Oh yeah that would be awesome- it'd be so ironic if Dallas loses. That is one cocky team, and if they lose I'd love to see how they explain again why they tanked that last regular season game vs. the Warriors. The media will be all over them. Go Warriors! Smile

david
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I'm not so sure that a 3 point shooter is born not made. Plenty of players have extended their range and eventually became decent to good 3 point shooters. It might sound like a joke for Brand to be a threat shooting 3's, but if he could be a decent open shooter from there that'd just open up his drives more and also nullify the interior defense of any big opponent assigned to guard him. He's already so good with those 15-18 footers so it's just a matter of extending it more (easier said than done, of course).

Yeah imagine if Maggette can become a good 3 point shooter- and there's no reason why he couldn't be- that also really help out his drives to the basket. I think all this facilitator thing is a little new to him, but hopefully with more experience and practice he'd make fewer bad passes.

jlemmen43
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Imagine if Kobe played for us?? We would be winning a championship right now. Just a thought, lol.

GetumRick!
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Please never ever mention da thought of having #24 on the Clippers I wont even say his name!!!!! J I respect ur posts but not him ever thats da different between our lockeroom mates we play like a team!!! See: SunS Vs. Lakers 2-0

jlemmen43
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See I used to be a Lakers fan, and I like Kobe Bryant, so I dont have a problem with him. He fixes our shooting problem, and his current team lacks chemistry and developed talent. It's a very raw team and Kobe don't have much to help him out and they still made the playoffs. If he was around the talent, chemistry, defense and selflessness of our established team, we would be unstoppable. So yes, I agree that the Clippers play like a team more than the Lakers, but Kobe wouldnt take away from this team, he would only add to it. So there's my stand. Sorry if you dont agree.

I welcome you to our boards!!! It's great to see Clipper fans such as yourself with such passion!! I look forward to reading your posts.

Clipper_Nation
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KoME pathetic selfish player lookin only fo his own glory even FAKER fans getting tired of his sh*t. Go Clips!!!!!!!!

david
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Hi GetumRick- welcome! Kobe is amazing but I'm rooting for him and his team to lose- it's like instinct or something Smile. BTW GO Warriors!

jlemmen43
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I cant stand Stephen Jackson. Played like a star with the Spurs when they won, then his ego took over and he thinks he's hot crap.

david
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Yeah not sure now too if the league will suspend him for not leaving the court in a quick and orderly fashion after getting ejected. The guy has always been a hothead, and though the trade is looking good for GS at this point, it might come back and bite them later.

toohipcliptoslip
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Not to belabor the great #8, but I'm a LONG TIME Lakers fan . #8 MAY be as physically talented as 23 but.. Kobe doesn't want to be on a championship team, HE want's to win a championship himself and/or break a lot of records. Players would've love to play with 23 but can you see an elite player serving under #8?

GetumRick!
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Nice pic Clipper nation!!! lol wut up David wutz good with u?? Its all good J no hostility bro jus a true fan stays with his team sink or swim loyalty is da #1 rule to a sports fan. Hey if u got luv 4 both teams i respect that but don't switch......now I agree KObe is da best individual player in the league right now!! But to say he is sorrounded by a bunch of losers come on now they're in the league 4 a reason!!! but hey this is a clipper forum LAL is the playoffs & were not i'll give them that. Time to re-up 4 the next season. Dam yall we better have a good off season were only a few pieces away!!!

david
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Yeah I agree Rick- we're not that far away. Imagine if they had played the entire season the way they played the last few weeks- they'd be the 5th or 6th seed solidly. So yeah add another shooter and PG (or a PG who can shoot & penetrate) the team should do fine as long as the guys have a good summer and improve.

david
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BTW the Mavs are having big time trouble with the Warriors- isn't it just so ironic that they tanked that regular season game. I'm really enjoying what's happening- go Warriors! Can you guys imagine if Dallas loses the series???? Also I'm sure that the Clippers (at least Dunleavy) still has that sour taste in the mouth regarding that shameful throwaway of a game by the Mavs. Instead of at least pretending to compete they chose to lay down. The Clippers need to take that as a strong motivating factor for their games next season vs. Dallas. True they were in control of their own destiny and blew it, but when another team choses to mess with you like that then you've got to take offense.

jlemmen43
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It may just be the "same old Mavericks without defense" that can't handle a team who scores as powerfully as they do. That I believe is the reason the Warriors kinda have their number. They had trouble with the Suns too and they as we know have a high powered scoring machine. Maybe the Mavs would have been able to beat us because our offense is not quite as powerful. Good to see a Bay-Area team having success. With the Warriors, Raiders, 49ers being pretty crappy lately, this is great for that area.

david
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Yeah you're right no disrespect to our team but I think the Mavs wouldn't have had as much trouble with us. Even though the Clippers were playing better the Warriors were just on a roll and had a lot of momentum. But I think the Clippers would've handled the Warriors much better defensively than that sad display of D being put up by Dallas.

ether
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I agree with you guys on your Dallas vs. GS views: Dallas does not match up well there. So why then did they tank that game to ensure they got GS in the first round? Surely Dallas knew GS was a tough matchup (they were 0-2 vs. GS at that time). By trying to win that game, they could have avoided this 1st round matchup.

GetumRick!
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dam good point ether!!! yo enough if's & coulda,shouda,wouda, yo enjoy the playoffs as basketball fans like I know we all are......& look foward the draft and beyond, can't get stuck on the past u know it will kill u man I know Im still in denial from my good seats last year Clippers Suns game three!!! lol My girl had to literally smack me across da face to leave my seat we were last to leave trust me ha ha Vlad in my head makes that last attempted 3pt and we won in overtime....to make it worse & add to my headache i get off work get home to my dad watching a game were Sam goes over da half court line b4 the time limit or..........D. Ewing blocks R.Bell 3pt shot from da corner.....see wut i mean im still in denial from both of those games!!! Nothing against GS but they are doing their thing!!!

PEace!

toohipcliptoslip
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Maybe Dallas tanked the last game because A J was afraid they'd lose. With the absence of anything that resembled basketball, the Mavs could say that loss meant nothing rather than starting the series on their keisters. I still hope AJ gets the mange. Bulls over GS in 6

clippman21
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yea i wounder if dallas is in that situation again in 2008-2009 if they would tank it ???? lol i dont think so lol

david
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Well I wish (somehow) that the Clippers are in the position to do that to the Mavs next year- tank the game, knock the Mavs out of the playoffs, and come up with some bogus excuse like "oh we wanted to rest our guys" and then play them the next game. Smile In baseball something like this would be hazardous to the tanking team's health- here's an article I saw recently on the matter:


Baseball is different from other sports, reason No. 847:

The Warriors beat the Mavericks in their penultimate regular-season game, and the Clippers didn't go ballistic that Mavericks coach Avery Johnson rested his top players and played his subs.

The game's outcome didn't matter to Johnson's team, which had a secure playoff spot, but it mattered to the Clippers, the team that was playing Phoenix that night while battling the Warriors for a final playoff spot.

As it was, the Warriors got in. The Clippers didn't. And where were all those complaints from L.A.?

If this happened in baseball, a cloud of venom would emerge from the clubhouse of the team that got jobbed, and the commissioner would be encouraged to act.

Imagine if the AL East came down to the final weekend. Both the Yankees and Red Sox had to win their final games to win the division. For the sake of argument, the Yankees were playing the Tigers' A team while the Red Sox were facing a White Sox lineup of prospects without Jermaine Dye or Paul Konerko or Jim Thome.

Joe Torre would have a fit and call out Ozzie Guillen for not adhering to baseball etiquette. The unwritten rule is, field a representative team against a playoff contender because that's what's fair to the competing teams in the hunt.

This is all we heard from Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy: "Obviously Phoenix played their guys, so it tells you (the Mavericks) probably prefer to play Golden State than us. That's what it comes down to."

Actually, it was more than that. It was the Clippers failing to kick up a stink and challenge the Mavericks.

Baseball gets criticized for a lot of good reasons, but you don't usually see a team tanking it and getting away with it.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... PHC9G1.DTL

jlemmen43
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Interesting article, but the Clips not complaining IS the right thing to do. Because: If they would have won instead of lost a game anywhere before that point, the issue wouldnt be relevant. It's not the Mavs fault we didnt make it, it's ours.

Funny though because an NBA team (NY Knicks) makes a stink about the score being rung up on them...but the other team (Clippers) doesnt make a stink about getting supposedly cheated by another team through tanking.

Thanks for the article David

david
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You're right JLemm- if the Clippers had won they wouldn't had to worry about it, and it's 100% the Clipper's fault that they didn't make it. They didn't complain in public about that tanking but they must have been annoyed to say the least.

Dallas disrespected two teams that night. One- they disrespected the Clippers by not even competing. Two- they disrespected the Warriors by pretty much implying that they'd wouldn't have problems with them in the playoffs. Why not do the right thing and just go out and play, especially with such much playoff implication on the line? Obviously they might have lost anyways but that's not the point. They chose to come out with their top guys sitting behind the bench dressed in suits, and to lose the game ON PURPOSE. Then they go ahead and play all their guys the next game in a meaningless contest vs. Seattle. That's a slap in the face to the Clippers. The question is- what are the Clippers going to do about it next season? They don't blame Dallas for the fact that they miss the playoffs, but I sure hope they remember getting dissed.

jlemmen43
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Exactly, David...the Mavs played their "regular" team versus Seattle. That's a valid point about the "tanking" issue and bringing truth to Dunleavy's comments about the subject. Dunleavy was probably very frustrated, and said his peace, but like you say, the Clips have to move on and maybe use this as motivation when they become complacent next year.

ether
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The Clippers took the high road on this issue, and I am glad they did. Dunleavy was being "PC" in his statement, but he also probably said it with a slightly sarcastic twist like he often does. I'm sure he has said in private just what we are saying.

Also, I'm sure they realize that if they did raise a big stink, everyone would rip them for not doing their own job (i.e. "You finished TWO games behind GS, so quit your whining about the Dallas game").

The Clipps were wise to be PC on this one.

toohipcliptoslip
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Didn't we do some "creative competition" last year so we could play Denver???? Don't remember 4 sure

david
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Yeah but at least the regulars played, and Brand played the first 3 quarters. Plus you could pretty much say the same about Memphis- they didn't exactly tried to win at the end- it just happened that they did.

But congrats to the Warriors- crushing the the Mavs to finish them off. That was just amazing- the Dallas Tankers deserved it! Smile

ether
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Woo hoo! GS beats Dallas. As a Clipper fan I'm stoked Dallas choked! Now I can go back to hating the Warriors.

Miquel
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Just amazing...I love watching the Warriors play and I'm very happy for them beating the Mavs and specially Nowitzki...To see former Clipper Matt Barnes dunking the Mavs basket was impressive!!And what about BDavis (maybe the best NBA PG when he's healthy?) and Stephen,Andris,Al,Richardson...I've never hated the warriors so they still are my favourite PO team, more since Toronto has been eliminated...Let's wear the Warriors jersey for this PO!We believe!

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