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    Bring in Avery Johnson
     
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    i agree, Avery Johnson would be great
     
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    Avery is a good coach, but he would restrict Baron even more than Dunleavy does, don't think it could work
     
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    guys - as sz123456 said, if we are concerned with the reigns Dunleavy is putting on Baron, Avery would not be any different. As a Mav's fan, the guy feels the need to control every aspect of the game. Not the guy I would want to bring in.
     
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    Avery Johnson or Mark Jackson..............

    This is the year of change and I am all for it.

    The teams that suck in the NBA have a reason..............we don't

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    Get dunleavy out of here. Move him to the GM role.

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    All of you that want Dunleavy fired:

    How do you feel about him as a GM? Should we make this a petition to make him only a GM, or do you guys want him out completely?
     
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    sz123456 wrote:
    All of you that want Dunleavy fired:

    How do you feel about him as a GM? Should we make this a petition to make him only a GM, or do you guys want him out completely?


    Actually, I think Dunleavy is a good GM considering how many talented players we acquired during the offseason.

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    Keep him as a GM for his basketball sense and vision

    But not as a coach. We need a players coach or bring back Jack Ramsay !!!!!!

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    Jay.r wrote:
    sz123456 wrote:
    All of you that want Dunleavy fired:

    How do you feel about him as a GM? Should we make this a petition to make him only a GM, or do you guys want him out completely?


    Actually, I think Dunleavy is a good GM considering how many talented players we acquired during the offseason.


    Yeah, I guess their bad shooting % and shot selection isn't part of the blame?

    :sarcasm:

    By the way, who will you send the petition to? Just asking out of curiosity.
     
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    clipper*joe wrote:
    Jay.r wrote:
    sz123456 wrote:
    All of you that want Dunleavy fired:

    How do you feel about him as a GM? Should we make this a petition to make him only a GM, or do you guys want him out completely?


    Actually, I think Dunleavy is a good GM considering how many talented players we acquired during the offseason.


    Yeah, I guess their bad shooting % and shot selection isn't part of the blame?

    :sarcasm:

    By the way, who will you send the petition to? Just asking out of curiosity.


    No one in particular Clipper* Joe ... To be honest, I'd just really wanted to see the range of how many fans want Dunleavy gone...

    If you know anyone to send it too, be my guest.

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    haters. im all for keeping DUN. Smile
    once again, everyone wants him fired but dont seem to know why (and just base it on losing).

    believe me, if we let dun go, we'll get some Bill Fitch/Chris Ford type coach that will lead us back to permanent futility. Mike brought the winning mentality and puts forth every last bit of effort in improving this franchise. cant blame him for the past 3 years of injuries.

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    Keep him as GM.
    Did more moves then Baylor anyways.

    I would like to see someone who will motivate them and get them going offensively and defensively.

    Just an FYI. BD commented "I have not seen so many plays in my entire career as a basketball player"

    I think all these plays, which don't work, are ruining their ability to create a shot and or get comfortable.

    MD is nice person but in seriousness we need a new fresh face. Of course don't just bring anyone.

    I really think Avery can make a difference.
     
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    ekker3 wrote:
    haters. im all for keeping DUN. Smile
    once again, everyone wants him fired but dont seem to know why (and just base it on losing).

    believe me, if we let dun go, we'll get some Bill Fitch/Chris Ford type coach that will lead us back to permanent futility. Mike brought the winning mentality and puts forth every last bit of effort in improving this franchise. cant blame him for the past 3 years of injuries.


    Look, the thing is, Dunleavy never knows anything about what to do with talent. He had talent with the Lakers as well as the Blazers. The Blazers should have won that year and the Lakers finally won the big one after he finally left. The Lakers fired him during his second year because they knew what a bad coach he was, why can't we do the same?

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    did you actually see the what the Laker team that beat the Blazers did? No one was beating those Lakers sorry dude..

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    cisco_805 wrote:
    Keep him as GM.
    Did more moves then Baylor anyways.

    I would like to see someone who will motivate them and get them going offensively and defensively.

    Just an FYI. BD commented "I have not seen so many plays in my entire career as a basketball player"

    I think all these plays, which don't work, are ruining their ability to create a shot and or get comfortable.

    MD is nice person but in seriousness we need a new fresh face. Of course don't just bring anyone.

    I really think Avery can make a difference.


    For anyone who has played in a league of some sort with a coach, we all know how hard it is to think of the play while watching the defense at the same time... a moderate amount of plays is a must but just too many can confuse players, just ask Marcus Camby.

    BD said that Dunleavy's plays contradicts his instincts. This means that Dunleavy needs to create plays that would suit this team better.

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    clipshow wrote:
    did you actually see the what the Laker team that beat the Blazers did? No one was beating those Lakers sorry dude..


    The Blazers was the most talented team from the beginning from top to bottom... The Lakers was like the 76ers... They just got hot.

    And what do you think about his coaching with the Lakers, the Lakers sure didn't like it.

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    ekker3 wrote:
    haters. im all for keeping DUN. Smile
    once again, everyone wants him fired but dont seem to know why (and just base it on losing).

    believe me, if we let dun go, we'll get some Bill Fitch/Chris Ford type coach that will lead us back to permanent futility. Mike brought the winning mentality and puts forth every last bit of effort in improving this franchise. cant blame him for the past 3 years of injuries.


    If Dumbleavy is reduced to his GM role, than who is the idiot that would be bringing in the Bill Fitch / Chris Ford type?

    That is the person that should be fired!!

    Getting rid of Dumbleavy is not just based on his W/L but also based on his lack of production on what he has been provided with......
    His lack of coaching or over coaching and substitutions or lack there of.

    So where is that WINNING MENTALITY because all I season is the same old song.
    True you can't blame him for last year due to injuries, but what about the 40-42 season after we went 47-35 ???
    And a 1-7 start this year? What is the excuse for that?
    Lack of gelling? Chemistry issues?

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    Jay.r wrote:
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    haters. im all for keeping DUN. Smile
    once again, everyone wants him fired but dont seem to know why (and just base it on losing).

    believe me, if we let dun go, we'll get some Bill Fitch/Chris Ford type coach that will lead us back to permanent futility. Mike brought the winning mentality and puts forth every last bit of effort in improving this franchise. cant blame him for the past 3 years of injuries.


    Look, the thing is, Dunleavy never knows anything about what to do with talent. He had talent with the Lakers as well as the Blazers. The Blazers should have won that year and the Lakers finally won the big one after he finally left. The Lakers fired him during his second year because they knew what a bad coach he was, why can't we do the same?


    with the lakers (his rookie year of coaching, mind you): western conference champs.

    in his second year: he loses magic johnson to AIDS (has to starte sedale threatt on short notice), and james worthy is injured for half the year. still manages to take these riff-raff to the playoffs.
    not bad for regrouping.

    by the way, the lakers didnt win anything the year after dunleavy left (that was 8 years later). in fact, the lakers had a worse season when pfund took over the following year (even with a healthy james worthy)

    he coached in portland for 4 years. ALL with rasheed "im gonna make coach's life a living hell" wallace. dont blame dun for that team's lack of winning a ring, blame rasheed.

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    but the teams were successful with winning records!!!!

    For those teams it was about the mission and the ring

    For us, it's about respectability, consistency, and staying above .500 for starters

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    I voted NO- it's only 8 games into the season....

    BTW not sure why this has to be a new thread instead of being continued in the Dunleavy thread. We're getting too many of these type of threads and I'm getting tired of having to merge them!
     
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    Dave, CLIPPER faithful has grown overnight and are actually making you work !!!

    Apologies for the added thread. Keep up the good work

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    BTW I renamed the title of the thread- I didn't want to merge it since it would erase the poll.
     
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    Anyone who wants Dunleavy still here after last night's debacle should really check themselves. There is absolutely no excuse losing to the Kings last night with the amount of talent that we have. Not only are we the more talented team, we're the more healthy team. The Kings didn't even have their best player, but they still played with more heart than the Clips. Reggie Theus is doing an absolutely incredible job with the Kings, especially since he's still new to coaching in the NBA. It just seems like our players are not even having fun out there. I don't know what it is with this team, but in my opinion it starts with the coach. If you can't get your team to prepare for a game with intensity and heart than there needs to be a change. I seriously feel that Baron is already at odds with Dunleavy especially after reading that Plasche article the other day.

    Watching Baron's body language, as well as the other players on the team make me feel that they just are getting sick and tired of Dunleavy's constant yelling from the sidelines. I even recall one point in the game when I saw Ricky saying, "What play was Coach talking about"? coming after a timeout. Okay, not in those exact words, but he looked confused as to what play they were suppose to use. Dunleavy seriously needs to loosen this team up and let them get out and run and quit yelling from the sidelines trying to call out one of his many stupid offensive plays. I have had it with this guy. Imagine if we had Reggie Theus, instead of Dunleavy? I mean imagine if we had anybody at this moment instead of Dunleavy. We can't do any worse than 1-7 with the amount of talent that we have. It's time for change.
     
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    wait, so now people want reggie theus over dunleavy?

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    wait, so now people want reggie theus over dunleavy?


    After watching the Kings last night, and how smoothly they ran their offense, you bet I do. Beno Udrih was a superstar last night. Imagine Theus with Baron.
     
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    Van Gundy, Theus, Jackson or Johnson over Dumbleavy at this point in time

    And on of the MALOOF brothers or Cuban over Sterling

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    This is too much, I mean seriously I'm not diggin' this at all, first of all Dunleavy has to get the feel of his team, You got Barons style that doesn't exactly fit with MDsr's mindset, I am for keeping Dunleavy I agree he's made some bad mistakes, but come on the season basically just started. Are we not the ones that claimed it would take some time for the team to understand one another and make some great chemistry, well MDsr needs that same amount of time. He's got a completely new team to work with via last season. He's the gm, He needs to se his team and work with them according the best type of offensive/defensive system possible. But if I had to pick I guess I'd go with Van Gundy, to each his sandwich.

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    Anyone who wants Dunleavy still here after last night's debacle should really check themselves. There is absolutely no excuse losing to the Kings last night with the amount of talent that we have. Not only are we the more talented team, we're the more healthy team. The Kings didn't even have their best player, but they still played with more heart than the Clips. Reggie Theus is doing an absolutely incredible job with the Kings, especially since he's still new to coaching in the NBA. It just seems like our players are not even having fun out there. I don't know what it is with this team, but in my opinion it starts with the coach. If you can't get your team to prepare for a game with intensity and heart than there needs to be a change. I seriously feel that Baron is already at odds with Dunleavy especially after reading that Plasche article the other day.

    Watching Baron's body language, as well as the other players on the team make me feel that they just are getting sick and tired of Dunleavy's constant yelling from the sidelines. I even recall one point in the game when I saw Ricky saying, "What play was Coach talking about"? coming after a timeout. Okay, not in those exact words, but he looked confused as to what play they were suppose to use. Dunleavy seriously needs to loosen this team up and let them get out and run and quit yelling from the sidelines trying to call out one of his many stupid offensive plays. I have had it with this guy. Imagine if we had Reggie Theus, instead of Dunleavy? I mean imagine if we had anybody at this moment instead of Dunleavy. We can't do any worse than 1-7 with the amount of talent that we have. It's time for change.


    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    Kudos +1!

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    I'm all for firing Dumbleavy. Bring in Mark Jackson. It'll be even better that he's a rookie coach, therefore no stupid "system" already implemented. He liked to run when he was playing and will bring a PG mentality. Plus it gets him out of commentating(a definite plus) Laughing
     
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    did you actually see the what the Laker team that beat the Blazers did? No one was beating those Lakers sorry dude..


    The Blazers was the most talented team from the beginning from top to bottom... The Lakers was like the 76ers... They just got hot.

    And what do you think about his coaching with the Lakers, the Lakers sure didn't like it.


    He left himself from the lakers. And the Lakers that beat the Blazers won three straight championships. So they just got hot three years in a row?

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    And for those who say Avery Johnson what makes him better than Dunleavy? since because you fell on hard times as dunleavy did he was just fired. so why hire a coach that just fired a year ago?

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    OK Mark JAckson it is!

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    if you're gonna come up with coaches that are ex-players, how about one that has actually won something.

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    ekker3 wrote:
    if you're gonna come up with coaches that are ex-players, how about one that has actually won something.


    How about Brian Shaw? Kurt Rambis, Mark Jackson? Avery Johnson is no loser. He got fired for winning 50 plus games.
     
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    AMEN to that!

    It's all about the W's 1st and foremost

    Baby steps

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    Avery Johnson got fired because he could not come up with any offense for his run first point guard. He wanted to call the shots Mark Cuban is paying Kidd a lot more than Johnson. So what do you think he would do with the same type of guard?And not one of those coaches has won anything coaching. Two have not even smelled a half a game as head coach. so you would probably be complaining about something else if dunleavy got fired and another coach came in, and we stunk even more. Which is usually what happens.

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    elton_sucks42 wrote:
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    if you're gonna come up with coaches that are ex-players, how about one that has actually won something.


    How about Brian Shaw? Kurt Rambis, Mark Jackson? Avery Johnson is no loser. He got fired for winning 50 plus games.


    no, im saying mark jackson hasnt even won as a player (and obviously not as a coach).

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    yeah I agree he hasnt won anything but he had a good little run withe the clips and the pacers. Was he not on the finals team with Reggie? I could be wrong.
     
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    I'm all for Dunleavy getting his players to play strong defense, but I don't agree with the tons of plays thing he does. I think he just needs to stay strong on one of his "ideas" (DEFENSE) and let the rest work itself out. Defense wins championships...you've heard it and seen it many times. We have the talent for both offense and defense. I'm not ready to give up on this team because as David mentioned, it's only been 8 games. If by mid-December this team hasnt "gelled", then there's problems....

    P.S. Would Sterling have to fire Dunleavy as coach now that Baylor isnt the GM? Just wondering how that worked. I agree that Dunleavy would probably be better at just GM, but the problem is bringing in some new guy. It's very very risky. But if you find the right guy, it becomes golden. They build this team for the future as well as the present. It may be worth finding the right guy for the coaching job and letting him grow with this team.

    I dunno. I'm frustrated too, but it's still too early to tell.
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    Also...trading Devin Harris for Jason Kidd was a huge mistake by Cuban....

    Also...Ramon Sessions is showing his PG skills. After Calderon, he's the next big rising star at PG.

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    elton_sucks42 wrote:
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    if you're gonna come up with coaches that are ex-players, how about one that has actually won something.


    How about Brian Shaw? Kurt Rambis, Mark Jackson? Avery Johnson is no loser. He got fired for winning 50 plus games.


    Actually that Brian Shaw idea is pretty interesting. I doubt that Shaw would ever leave the Lakers, but if he did that would be really exciting and a good amount of Lakers "fans" would jump ship to our side. I hate Lakers "fans" as much as anyone, but our fans are pretty quiet and leave a lot of open seats, someone like Baron thrives on energy
     
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    My patience arrived to the limit losing versus the Kings. I think this group of players don't believe in Dunleavy and if we don't make some changes we aren't going anywhere. 1-7 is too much. I'm sick of hearing about problems among Dunleavy and players and we play as a gang. Furthermore they still say we have too many plays when the other day versus the Mavs I got depressed after watching how poor was our basketball and...we even won thanks to the individual inspiration of some players. It can work one game but no more as we showed versus the Kings!!

    At least I only can see one game every month but you guys who watch every game I must confese I admire you...Dunleavy has had a lot of opportunities for my part but I don't think this situation can be solved with him as a coach. We need fresh air.

    Please Jay.r put my name in the list
     
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    ekker3 wrote:
    haters. im all for keeping DUN. Smile
    once again, everyone wants him fired but dont seem to know why (and just base it on losing).

    believe me, if we let dun go, we'll get some Bill Fitch/Chris Ford type coach that will lead us back to permanent futility. Mike brought the winning mentality and puts forth every last bit of effort in improving this franchise. cant blame him for the past 3 years of injuries.


    leave it to Ekker to see with red and blue colored glasses... We know why we want him fired, he is a micro managing no offensive genuis of a coach, do we really need to know anymore ? look guys the fact is we can not blame it on injury's in preseason. We are now 8 games into the season and were still lost out on the court. I guess the heavy playbook explains why D.jordon and E.gordon don't get the minutes, If experienced veteran players like B diddy and R davis can't figure this offense how can some rookies. Gentlemen it's time for changing of the Guard (Coach) 6 seasons and only one playoff run. The owner has done his part shelled out the dough and is not getting his return. I don't mine losing to great teams if we play hard and come close, but when you can't even win at home in your first 8 games how will we get it done on the road.. I posted earlier this month "how long before B diddy blows up" I guess it's starting much sooner than i expected... well much respect for Magz atleast he was honest with Davis when he told him he was in for a rude awakening.... I must give Dumbleavy credit for this, his scouting he knew Beno Udrich would be a good player, he has an eye for talent that's what he's good at and that's what he should stick to, leave the offense for someone who loves teaching and not overpreaching.
     
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    Put me too,

    Bring in anybody... Bring in Jerry Tarkanian for all i care...

    just not a dunleavy coach-alike (or look-alike)
     
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    BTW i wouldn't mind Rambis either.

    Yes, he would probably implement a triangle... but i wouldn't mind that as long as our talent didn't rot in a suffocating system.
     
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    clipperstown. yes i want him fired because do to his poor decision making, we cant finish, or even play the whole game without letting the opposing team get on a massive run. i want him out of coach and in at gm.

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    I want a coach who is defensive minded but alos can motivate his players. See that is the on problem I'm beginning to have with Dunleavy hee is not looking like a guy you can rally behind.

    Coaches likes Doc Rivers get in their players head and can make them understand what he is preaching. How can go into halftime and breakdown the errors and tell his team that they need more efofrt and he wants more energy on both sides.

    I can't even really blame GM Dunleavy and DTS becuase DTS put up the money and MD put together a talented @$$ roster. It's just they need someone to who can take the team and present motivation on both sides of the floor for 48 mintues. If Baron wants control in most areas put a Flip Saunders type coach in who can monitor the game.
     
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    To be redundant again, Fire him. We should have been competative at least in our losses. If he can't adjust to what we have and let BD run things, we're screwed. I seriously doubt the team has any respect. It's hard to be passionate when we've F**k**up so much. Admittedly the team doesn't know each other so he should Keep It Simple till they do. Complicated sets and micromanaging would work for the Spurs or LAL You make the suit (style of play) for the man. you don't make the man for the suit
     
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