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that deal doesnt involve randolph and the knicks would be giving up their starting SG.

the knicks now have a deep frontcourt and a need for a SG.

i really hope this doesnt mean we give up cat&friends for randolph. ill be incredibly pissed.

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TT contract right now is a very good bargaining tool.Trust there will be a lot of people who want to free cap space either this year or next..

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Very true.

Remember: Kwame (D-) for Gasol (B+). This should be the litmus test we adopt for any trade(s) involving Mobley/Thomas.

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That the Clippers must be dumb/desperate enough to pursue him is going to linger among the biased speculators until either the Knicks find another taker (sucker) or we turn Mobley/Thomas into something great.

By just giving up TT and Mobley... I still think that its a good deal.

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I just so on rotoworld that zach randolph is likely headed to the clips for tt and cat it just needs to be annonced

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Why? Are they chemistry-killing cancers with criminal records and no regard for team concept? The worst I can think of is Mobley is old and Thomas is lazy. Neither have reached a Tinsley-like threshold of detriment.

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By just giving up TT and Mobley... I still think that its a good deal.

Why? Are they chemistry-killing cancers with criminal records and no regard for team concept? The worst I can think of is Mobley is old and Thomas is lazy. Neither have reached a Tinsley-like threshold of detriment.

Randolph is playing very well under D. Antoni.

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Here is the source they site:

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/a ... rring.html

"If Randolph is also moved, the Knicks would be in great position to get under the cap."

I'm noticing these sites have a slight bent in favor of the Knicks...

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Why? Are they chemistry-killing cancers with criminal records and no regard for team concept? The worst I can think of is Mobley is old and Thomas is lazy. Neither have reached a Tinsley-like threshold of detriment.

My question is what are we going to say when Randolph pouts when he is coming off the bench?And I thought Mobley has been keeping us in ball games?

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Gives Eric Gordon the Starting job

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No arguments there. He also played well under McMillan (whom he dubbed "Sarge"). He's a gifted player and a statistical beast. It's everything else (literally everything else) that's the problem.

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hmmm... who said the teams needed a three team trade when it could work equally as good with only two.

The trades could be two separate trades instead of one.


hmmm... I was wondering why Randolph was on the front page of the Daily Clips.

http://my.clippers.com/clippers/mainMenu.html

I had a feeling that the Clippers maybe giving us a subtle hint 8)

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Randolph is playing very well under D. Antoni.

No arguments there. He also played well under McMillan (whom he dubbed "Sarge"). He's a gifted player and a statistical beast. It's everything else (literally everything else) that's the problem.

I think this trade will really help our scoring... or lack there of.

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http://www.knickerblogger.net/?p=1039

"The Knicks will be extremely lucky if they can pull off this trade. All the people saying that the Knicks had better get back some draft picks in the deal are way off base. Randolph and Crawford are not worth draft picks; they are not even worth expiring contracts. The Knicks are just lucky that the Clippers are incompetent and the Warriors have a disgruntled player and would welcome Crawford’s peculiar playing style. Crawford and Randolph are bad players. Their career TS%s are well below the league average. They consistently hurt their teams on both offense and defense throughout their careers. Any team that has either of them as a featured player/starter will not be successful and the Knicks will be quite lucky if they do indeed manage to dump them." - Mastermind

Hmm...

"Jamal is a loser. ZBo is a loser. I appreciate their professionalism while they were on the Knicks and no doubt have talent..but this is a step backward to take a HUGE step forward." - Phil

I was thinking the same thing, except from the Clippers side: a step forward to take a huge step backward.

Is it ever a good thing when the fans are laughing and cheering about the player you're taking from them?

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that is weird

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I am all for fair chances, but if this goes through I will raise eyebrows as to whether Dunleavy should remain G.M.We have a golden ticket in two expiring contracts and he wants Randolph.We hold a edge right now and he makes a move before checking all the pieces.And after he does move, realizes he set someone up for checkmate..

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we're morons if we do this deal.

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If this trade doesn't go through, we're still going to need some scoring... No way Kaman, Mobley, and Al can score 20+ ppg consistently. Unless there's another player we don't know about to trade for (yes, I'm not very much in favor of Randolph as well, but I'm 60/40 right now in support), where else are we going to get our scoring from? Let me remind you guys that we're only averaging 90 ppg.


Although, we've been scoring 99 ppg the last five... but still in losing efforts.

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The Golden Ticket wont be so Golden in 2010, you need to take that into consideration

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It will take a team effort for points.I think most nights we will win off defense.And if I am right about Dunleavy Gordon will be averaging 25 min by the middle of December which should give us some firepower.And remember R.Davis is in a shooting slump don't think he will be in one all year.

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we have plenty of capable scorers that have yet to hit their stride. Thornton, Baron, Ricky, hell even Chris, Cuttino, Tim, and Gordo are all capable of taking over a game.

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True... but a lot of teams are going to be in freeagency contention as well, not to mention that the former teams would like to sign their superstars back.

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It is this year and next.You first plat close attention to everything in veiw before you move.Besides thats still money ou can blow on a free agent, or do a Camby like deal in 2010.Randolph will still be there.Why rush?

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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baske ... harri.html

Now Randolph's supposedly heading to Dallas.

What are the chances all this speculation is going to be a distraction from tonight's matchup?

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Since it's pretty much a rumor I've moved it to the rumors section + edited the title of the thread.

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60-40 pretty much means that you are mostly in favor of the trade.

If it goes through, is there still a party in your house? Will Dunleavy still be GM of the year?

Sorry, couldn't help myself...forgive me for I know not what I do.

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Humor aside, I think Dunleavy should be fired if this goes through. If Randolf comes off the bench, it will only be a matter of time before he attempts a mutiny on this franchise. We have the scorers in place, it's just that they are not hitting their shots except for Kaman & Mobley. Once Thornton gets in rhythm & Baron gets on track, we have the fire power to compete. It's also a matter of time before Gordon gets consistent minutes & Ricky gets out of his horrible slump.

Ricky has ALWAYS been a consistent player so for anyone who thinks he lost what he has had his whole career by coming here is just wrong. A scorer never loses his instinct or touch. It's a matter of time before he gets going. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

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clipshow wrote:
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The Golden Ticket wont be so Golden in 2010, you need to take that into consideration

It is this year and next.You first plat close attention to everything in veiw before you move.Besides thats still money ou can blow on a free agent, or do a Camby like deal in 2010.Randolph will still be there.Why rush?

pretty much the question boils down to whether or not we should you go after randolph in 2010?

if you told me that before these trade talks, id laugh at you.

but for whatever reason, his name keeps being linked to us. maybe dunleavy's infatuated with him.

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We need change now! I'm for it. Bring on Zbo! Worst comes to worst we trade him. But heck there's so many FA that year that we'll land someone.

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btw, did dunleavy have any part in drafting randolph? i know dun was fired the same year zach was drafted but dont know if he was involved in the scouting.

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ekker3 wrote:
we have plenty of capable scorers that have yet to hit their stride. Thornton, Baron, Ricky, hell even Chris, Cuttino, Tim, and Gordo are all capable of taking over a game.

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It will take a team effort for points.I think most nights we will win off defense.And if I am right about Dunleavy Gordon will be averaging 25 min by the middle of December which should give us some firepower.And remember R.Davis is in a shooting slump don't think he will be in one all year.

Do we really want to wait that long until we make a move? Clipshow, as a former basketball player, you know as well as I do, that you don't lose your shooting touch for weeks and weeks at a time. Maybe 3 weeks your off but not like Ricky who's been really off since the middle of the preseason... What if these players never hit the stride that we thought they would have had. In Mid-December, our season could be over. Do we really want to risk that?


All said, there are too many unknowns to even remotely predict of what this trade could bring us. I agree that the scale of the amounts of positives to the amounts of negatives that he could bring to our ball club is very wide and unpredictable. This trade could become a blessing or a curse.

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you guys hate Cat that much? :lol

who would be our SG/SF coming off the bench with Ricky?

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ekker..I would laugh 2.I was against acquiring him over the summer.I am not happy with Dunleavy right now..

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Think of it as landing a cheap version of a 20/10 guy. It's not like we're asking for a leader. I just want is numbers.

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If this trade doesn't go through, we're still going to need some scoring... No way Kaman, Mobley, and Al can score 20+ ppg consistently. Unless there's another player we don't know about to trade for (yes, I'm not very much in favor of Randolph as well, but I'm 60/40 right now in support), where else are we going to get our scoring from? Let me remind you guys that we're only averaging 90 ppg.


Although, we've been scoring 99 ppg the last five... but still in losing efforts.

60-40 pretty much means that you are mostly in favor of the trade.

If it goes through, is there still a party in your house? Will Dunleavy still be GM of the year?

Sorry, couldn't help myself...forgive me for I know not what I do.

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Humor aside, I think Dunleavy should be fired if this goes through. If Randolf comes off the bench, it will only be a matter of time before he attempts a mutiny on this franchise. We have the scorers in place, it's just that they are not hitting their shots except for Kaman & Mobley. Once Thornton gets in rhythm & Baron gets on track, we have the fire power to compete. It's also a matter of time before Gordon gets consistent minutes & Ricky gets out of his horrible slump.

Ricky has ALWAYS been a consistent player so for anyone who thinks he lost what he has had his whole career by coming here is just wrong. A scorer never loses his instinct or touch. It's a matter of time before he gets going. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

55-45, 60-40

sounds about right... but still, I'd pretty much prefer more about waiting until everyone in our roster is available for a trade. We might have dug ourselves in a deep hole by then though. Personally, I'd love to keep Mobley and instead, just trade away Skinner, TT, and/or Ricky.

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WOW another new rumor...

Randolph to Dallas? It's on realgm

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Jay.r wrote:
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we have plenty of capable scorers that have yet to hit their stride. Thornton, Baron, Ricky, hell even Chris, Cuttino, Tim, and Gordo are all capable of taking over a game.

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It will take a team effort for points.I think most nights we will win off defense.And if I am right about Dunleavy Gordon will be averaging 25 min by the middle of December which should give us some firepower.And remember R.Davis is in a shooting slump don't think he will be in one all year.

Do we really want to wait that long until we make a move? Clipshow, as a former basketball player, you know as well as I do, that you don't lose your shooting touch for weeks and weeks at a time. Maybe 3 weeks your off but not like Ricky who's been really off since the middle of the preseason... What if these players never hit the stride that we thought they would have had. In Mid-December, our season could be over. Do we really want to risk that?


All said, there are too many unknowns to even remotely predict of what this trade could bring us. I agree that the scale of the amounts of positives to the amounts of negatives that he could bring to our ball club is very wide and unpredictable. This trade could become a blessing or a curse.

so you think ricky's gonna be shooting 25% the rest of the year?

this trade REEKS curse.

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We may actually be able to get a better deal with Randolph considering that NY seems to be the one really wanting to trade him.

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Coming off the bench... maybe. He might actually get rejuvinated if he gets to start.

BTW, did anyone else knew about R. Davis' lack of dribbling skills?

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Jay.R...Yea his streak is long but don't know if it's because he adjusting to set shots vs making own or what.No excuse though, but he is also hesitant.And that is what I think is throwing him off.His best game was the Kings game where he just shot because what was there to lose?I also want to keep Mobley because I think Gordon will get more minutes next month, and Mobley will be best suited coming off the bench.And the best trades are usually the ones made closer to the deadline, as teams either give up on the season or look for veterans or whatever as they make a playoff push..

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By then... we maybe out of the playoff running...

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journeyman wrote:
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TT contract right now is a very good bargaining tool.Trust there will be a lot of people who want to free cap space either this year or next..

Very true.

Remember: Kwame (D-) for Gasol (B+). This should be the litmus test we adopt for any trade(s) involving Mobley/Thomas.

Don't forget that Memphis also got 2 first rounders and J. Crit... and Jerry West was the GM in Memphis so no doubt he wanted to help the Lakers.

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If there is any chance for the Clippers or any other lower tier franchise to win a championship in the near future, it is in 2009/2010. Sooooooooo many teams are going to mess with their players and salaries to make as much cap as possible for those players, and a lot of teams will be in shambles come playoff time. If we have a good team around then, it could pay off serious dividends

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Stop rumors and win some games. That's where he have to focus our energy. I'm sick of hearing rumors

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Part of an article from hoopsworld.com http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10680 "If the Clippers make this move, there has to be another one coming " such as the Kaman to the Charlotte Bobcats for Gerald Wallace idea that has been hot and cold in recent days. They can't stop here because it rips out their depth and half of their veteran leadership, unbalancing the roster of a team with only two wins on the season. It's also interesting to note that Randolph has played so well in the open offense of D'Antoni as a center. Assuming he's staying in Los Angeles he will move back to power....

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I don't know if the trade will benefit us. I am usually all for trading away quantity to get more quality, but I'm not so sure in this case.

The thing that bothers me most about the trade is losing Cuttino. This means that Ricky Davis might be our starting SG for the whole season. I don't know if I can fathom that. Sure, we would all love for EJ to get promoted to starting SG and flourish, scoring 15 a night...but is he solid enough yet to play 30 mins a night, and more importantly, does Dunleavy have confidence in him yet?

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I gotta agree with clipshow on this one. WE get another head case to join RD in the lineup. I screws up our financial flexibility. In addition to our already complicated chemistry adds a piece like ZBO that is probably gonna make things worse.

If Dun pulls the trigger then I say he should be fired because I have no respect for this move. I can deal with the be patient concept but thug life players we dont need or want. We would have to have him for 3 years, my god what a mistake.

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What happened to the "swapping 2nd rounders for a player" trade deals?...

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Again... we maybe able to get a better deal because the Knicks seems to be reallydesperate to trade. I would also like to keep Cuttino if possible.

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I don't think we'll be involved in any trade. Not unless we take Randolph, only to ship him to Charlotte and get Gerald Wallace.

That would be cool i guess.

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Let me just say: Awesome.

But there are rules that keep teams from re-shipping players they've just traded for. There's a time limit or something.

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All out of cap space..

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