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http://www.insidesocal.com/clippers/ "The Clippers have agreed to a trade for New York Knicks forward Zach Randolph in exchange for guard Cuttino Mobley and forward Tim Thomas, a league source told the Daily News Friday afternoon. Randolph is a dominant low post threat, having averaged 16.4 points and 8.2 rebounds in his eight seasons in the NBA. This season with the Knicks, he's excelled in new coach Mike D'Antoni's system, averaging 20.5 points and a career-high 12.5 rebounds. Mobley is averaging 13.7 points this season, Thomas is averaging 9.5 points and 4.6 rebounds. The Clippers have long-admired Randolph's athleticism and offensive game. And with the team averaging....

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If Camby turns into Wallace, I could stomach this easier.

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Guys you know what I just realized-

With Mobley gone- MORE MINUTES TO ERIC GORDON!!

Now we're still going to have our amazing starting 5, just minus Mobley:

Baron Davis

Ricky Davis

Al Thornton

Marcus Camby

Chris Kaman

With a player like Zach Randolph coming off the bench when we have no low post scoring... He also is very athletic and can catch lobs, and can score in bunches. I think once he fits in the team, he's gona be great... I used to hate this trade when we were talking about giving up Kaman but come on guys! I think this will end up good!

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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_ ... losin.html

We supposedly get Mardy Collins as well.

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You have to love him now... Very Happy

we got him

...now maybe I can get back to work wink

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My guess is that Camby comes off the bench (he's already playing bench minutes anyway).

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does anyone know how legitimate this source is?? I'm a rook when it comes to some of these sources. And harrington just got traded for crawford too? this seems fake to me, but maybe it's just my skeptical nature?

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Well we have alot of possibilities now, and Dunleavy is a pure matchup type of coach and he has alot of pieces to work with at the 4 and 5 now.

ANOTHER HUGE POINT I NEVER REALIZED:

Maybe Randolph was a ballhog because his teams, the Blazers and the Knicks, sucked really bad? Have you guys ever thought of that? Maybe with players like Baron and other players on the team that command the ball and are worthy of shooting it, he'll step down and play a "role player" type of role?

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Baron averages 15 attempts a game. Randolph is averaging 17. My head is starting to hurt.

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from the other thread...

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^^^So what are we gonna do with 3 bigs who expect to start?

I can't imagine this is it. Camby or Zack must be headed somewhere else before the trading deadline.

Or Kaman.

I'd hate to see kaman leave. And if he did, we should be able to get a lot for him. But he has such a good contract and has been great for us. And he's still young!!! He has to remain part of this core along with Al, BD, and Gordon.

At least Gordon will be getting a huge boost minute wise. I expect Ricky to start.....for now.

i could see the Clipps shipping out Camby to Charlotte....possibly.

I wounder if Camby was traded if he'd be upset...again. I do like having him though. he brings a lot to the defensive end.

Another thought, maybe they brought in Zack cause he can finish strong and might compliment Baron better than Chris has..?

Still i love having Chris on this team.

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^^^Randolph needs to be paired with a more defense-minded guy, which Kaman is. But I'm not sure if his humble quirkiness can coexist with...Randolph.

I'd rather keep Kaman. But it seems no one is safe.

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from the other thread...

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^^^So what are we gonna do with 3 bigs who expect to start?

I can't imagine this is it. Camby or Zack must be headed somewhere else before the trading deadline.

Or Kaman.

I'd hate to see kaman leave. And if he did, we should be able to get a lot for him. But he has such a good contract and has been great for us. And he's still young!!! He has to remain part of this core along with Al, BD, and Gordon.

At least Gordon will be getting a huge boost minute wise. I expect Ricky to start.....for now.

i could see the Clipps shipping out Camby to Charlotte....possibly.

I wounder if Camby was traded if he'd be upset...again. I do like having him though. he brings a lot to the defensive end.

Another thought, maybe they brought in Zack cause he can finish strong and might compliment Baron better than Chris has..?

Still i love having Chris on this team.

Yup... what have we (really Mike Dunleavy) done?.

I coudn't see this trade's faults earlier but now because of it, I assume they'd be more moves...

This season may just become "The Year of Experimentation".

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Wow- this is incredible news. I'm not sure how to digest it. I'm going to miss Cat, but it's nice to get a low post presence in Zach Randolph- the guy is averaging 20 and 10. I hope that he can be a good citizen and not stir up trouble- he wasn't exactly a great influence off the court in the past.

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We now how a very stong 3 guy rotation at the bigs. Each guy at 36 minutes a night isn't bad. Also Gordon will get a ton more minutes. And if things don't work we deal Camby or Kaman for a guard.

It'll be a lot easier to move Camby or Kaman for a good piece than it would have been for Thomas and Mobley.

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I hope we don't trade Camby- he's been a big plus for the team. He is by far the Clipper with the best +/- numbers through the first 11 games:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809LAC.HTM

Also the nice thing is that Zach Randolph as has the best +/- for the Knicks thus far:

http://www.82games.com/0809/0809NYK.HTM

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Guys, another thing is, when Kaman sits down, or Camby sits down, the offense won't deflate. It might get even more powerful with Zach Randolph coming in.

AND FOR THE DEANDRE JORDAN FANS-

Today's game at 4 O'clock- if this trade goes down by then, Cat and Thomas will have to be inactive, MEANING JORDAN WILL BE ACTIVE.

Anyone smell a DeAndre Jordan poster over FELTON!? How about TWO posters? Yesssssssssssss

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The best was actually Jordan Smile

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Oh my god! I just got back from doing a little shopping...I can't believe this!!!!!!

I am so torn right now...I don't know what to think. Anyway, welcome Randolf...hope you can contribute right away.

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Jay r..I may be on your petition to fire Dunleavy real soon..I am not really happy at the moment.I usually say wait for the outcome but I do not know how to take this...

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It could work... the SG spot is really the one that makes me nervous. I hope EG starts over R.D.

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let's wait til it's official guys, they said the Knicks are waiting to see if they want to approve or not. I really don't know what to think either, Dunleavy is either going to be a genius....or fired haha. Still NO IDENTITY! Goodluck getting ricky davis, and randolph to play defense, and radolph's fat ass can't run haha. Not that Dunleavy would run n gun anyways...

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In all my years as a Clipper fan, i think this is the worst move i have ever seen.

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It could I see the bright spots.But the negatives are all right there.Rickey is going to start over Gordon though for the next couple of weeks.Then he will take over the spot.But how are you going to disperse all the minutes in our front court.Who starts Camby or Zach?Who gets crunch time minutes?It can be a freak disaster area..

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lol... you sure about that?

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theres an official article from the LA times with quotes from Mobley but this site won't let me post it...

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Its official its in the La Times website. Mobley is upset here is the quote.

"I'm a little upset," said Mobley, in a voice barely above a whisper. "It was a surprise. I mean, I liked our team. I didn't give up on our team. I don't know what the owner was thinking, and don't know what anyone was thinking.

"I thought we were going to come around. It's hard. It's hard because I like all the guys a lot. It's tough."

Our bench just got weaker. Maybe we can get Bonzi or Patterson to help at the SG position.

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^^^I genuinley feel bad for Cat. He never phoned it in, always led by example, and just came off a defensive gem.

Okay. rose-colored glasses time.

Mobley and Thomas were trading chips all along, so their absence was inevitable.

Randolph is a statistical beast who should do well when paired with a defensive-minded big (Kaman or Camby).

Dunleavy prefers scoring in the paint, which Randolph can do.

One more offensive weapon to pair with Baron Davis.

More time for Gordon.

That's all I got for now. Maybe it's enough. But it feels... not right.

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Here is any another scenario:

Now that we have Randolph, Mike Dunleavy is going to go back to the old style of play. I don't think that will fair well with Baron. Think about it, Randolph just replaced Brand in his old playbook. I am not sure I like that.

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That really hurts! I thought Mobley was an asset to this team. His statement really has me pissed right now. I hope Dunleavy knows what he is doing cause he just ruined my day off. Damn!

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So, was Dunleavy so jilted by Brand's departure that it motivated him to do this? Because I could see how Brand would be a calming influence on Baron. But not so much Randolph.

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Don't forget that he could run as well... he was playing in D'Antoni's system. The problem, I would think, is going to be on the defensive end. At least we still have Camby to cover that though.

... Another good thing about this trade is now, our bigs can be swapped a lot more so they could get substantially more rest.

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This move can catapult us into a major playoff team

Or not help us at all. Like lebron2clips said... Dunleavy's either gona be a genius or fired.

I personally think it's a great deal- because we're getting a lot more depth AND SCORING that we've really needed. Plus Dunleavy likes to work with post players anyways as someone stated earlier.

Eric Gordon will have more time, so better development thank God... Then there's also the fact that Tim Thomas and Mobley (well, Tim Thomas at least) haven't been jacking up the best shots. Mobley does sometimes, but I always hated the fact that EVEN ON FAST BREAKS, Mobley would stop and post up on his defender instead of running the breaks. And Mobley would never pass the ball to the post when they had good positioning. Mobley had good shots and clutch shots at times too, and so did Thomas. I'm gona miss that- but face it, Thomas' defense was the reason why we got burned by Millsap and Landry and stuff.

Zach Randolph's defense isn't THAT bad actually guys, he's a decent defender and can body up and get rebounds and box out as well. One of the Clippers' main problems this year has been giving up second chances and offensive rebounds, even though we have Kaman and Camby. Well now we have Randolph as well, another 12 rebound per game guy, he's gona help diminish that stat. Zach is GREAT at boxing out and that's one part of his game I've always liked.

And again, to the people that say he's a ballhog, it was kinda like Kobe on the Laker team that barely made playoffs. How he needed to score 81 and stuff just for them to win. Zach Randolph had 50 point games in Portland where they lost. So he NEEDED to jack up shots because no one else would... That's just my take.

I'm sure he'll be fine with coming off the bench since he can look up and see Kaman and Camby out there. The people who said he got mad at Isaiah for coming off the bench, well if you look at it that way, no one on that team was worthy enough to give Zach Randolph the bench treatment. So he was allowed to get mad.

That's just my take on everything. Like everyone says, we need to see how this one plays out first, but it looks great. I hated it for the first few minutes, but my Laker fan friend even called me and told me that this was a freaking awesome deal and that he thinks it will move mountains. He actually CONGRATULATED ME lol... He said that this was the one thing he said we needed cause sometimes the offense was just stagnant. When the offense is stagnant you should at least have a dominant post player to work it through- that can free up outside shots and even put more points on the board.

GO CLIPPERS!!!!

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Its official its in the La Times website. Mobley is upset here is the quote.

"I'm a little upset," said Mobley, in a voice barely above a whisper. "It was a surprise. I mean, I liked our team. I didn't give up on our team. I don't know what the owner was thinking, and don't know what anyone was thinking.

"I thought we were going to come around. It's hard. It's hard because I like all the guys a lot. It's tough."

Our bench just got weaker. Maybe we can get Bonzi or Patterson to help at the SG position.

That really hurts! I thought Mobley was an asset to this team. His statement really has me pissed right now. I hope Dunleavy knows what he is doing cause he just ruined my day off. Damn!

Yup... gotta give him standing ovation when he comes back...

right?

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11 games and Randolph's got 3 blocks.

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Mobleys comments just made me even sadder.I know the business side of it all, but he was playing some decent ball for us..

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He will learn from Camby and Kaman

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Surprised

He was never a shot blocker

Think of Elton without the shot blocking 8)

plus, again, we still have the Cambyman. Smile

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11 games and Randolph's got 3 blocks.

He will learn from Camby and Kaman

He hasn't learned in 7 years.

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Stats don't lead to good defense, intangibles mean good defense.

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Stats measure quantifiable game play. If the stats don't tell the story, ask any Knick/Blazer fan about Randolph's defense. The answers won't be pretty.

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I think Mobley leaving is on the same level as Brand leaving. I really liked him. He wanted to be here and believed we could win. I'm upset with this whole trade. I even liked Tim Thomas.

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One can speculate. But judging by Dunleavy's actions in trying to get him in the off-season, I wouldn't doubt it. What a shame this is. I am so torn about Mobley leaving. This deal could have waited.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the trade was made on the day we play the Sixers. Sending a message? nah!

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Brand seem to want to be here. Plus, Mobley never bashed this franchise.

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That's why this deal makes it even harder to digest....

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Guys i dont know much about this guy, but i am really sad to see mobly go. he was really happy here and was a good team guy.

What are the positives about this tade for the clippers?

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why hasn't any other major news source, ESPN, CBSSPORTLINE, CNN, NBA, or even the clippers home page, not reported this deal yet. As i see no value in this trade AT all, I really hope it's been denied or someone backed out.

We already have $22.5 million this season tied up in the 4 and the 5 (Kaman, Skinner, Camby, Davis). Do we really need another $14 to address that position, I believe that this cap room should have been used to addresss another issue.

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LOL... What a coincidence, I was just going to post this.

http://www.nba.com/2008/news/features/1 ... index.html

It looks like Randolph is coming off the bench.

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I posted this back on July 13. This is how I felt about getting Randolph in the offseason. I still feel this way.

"Why does no one ever mention that Randolph went through micro-fracture surgery in March 2005? When poeple talk about succesful recoveries, Amare and Kidd are often named but not Randolph. Coming back from such a thing is supposed to be very hard work. Randolph put in that hard work and came back statistically stronger than before.

My own opinion is that Randolph does not take pride in team concept or even the game of basketball, really. But apparantly he does hold some personal pride. It might not be much, in fact, too often detrimental. But such pride could be harnassed, as his statistics prove.

His best year came under the helm of uber-tough disciplinarian Nate MacMillan. As coach, MacMillan (given the nick-name "Sarge" by the troubled power-forward himself) focused Randolph's selfish drive into career bests, though they came during the nadir of the Jail-Blazer's era. They included run-ins with the law and with teammates (punching future Clipper Ruben Patterson in the face).

It's never a good sign when a team gets rid of their star player for peanuts and finds much more success when he's gone (call it the Stephon Marbury rule). But that's exactly what happened for Portland. Meanwhile, Randolph is paired with maybe the worst front-court complement in the league. Eddy Curry mirrors all of his own defeciencies (shot blocking, defense, passing out of double-teams) while negating his best (scoring). Rounded out with ball-hog teammates and a self-destructive coach and it's a wonder there haven't been anymore "incidents" with Randolph (the Nate Robinson thing aside).

I think the Clippers present an advantageous situation for Randolph. There is a major hole at PF, one which his skill-set fills well on the offensive floor. There is a coach who can be just as tough-minded and stubborn as Nate MacMIllan (and who is no stranger to Jail-Blazer personalities, though not his specifically). Chris Kaman does the things he doesn't (blocks shots, defensive rebounding) and their is a PG who can find him if he's open (Randolph's ability to hit 18-footers could really come in handy here).

But I just don't see Randolph as a good move. He wants to be a gangsta, not a professional basketball player. He doesn't take his conditioning seriously. He chucks horrible shots. He will not -will not- play defense. He's just corrosive, like battery acid. If we land him, I get the feeling that, in retrospect, he will be an embarrasing move that looked really good on paper when it happened."

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I don't think we are done moving players yet. I don't think this makes us a better team. Cat and TT for Zach...on paper that is fine by me. Many of you say that this is good because it means more time for Eric Gordon, which is also great.

The thing that bothers me is that the true winner out of this trade is Ricky Davis. He is going to be our starting SG and log even more minutes. This kills me!

Yes, EJ will come off the bench and play sg, but we have a gapping hole at SF. Who is going to back up Al or replace him if he gets into foul trouble? As of now, that would be....Ricky Davis. Prior to the trade, TT or Cat could fill in for very short periods of time at SF. Now, we have Ricky Davis or Novak, and that's it.

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Looks Official

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-cli ... 4078.story

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