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The headline is misleading because the body of the article later implies that maybe Camby will be the one to go.

I hope Camby leaves instead of Kaman.

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/ ... or_j_rich/

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This won't happen...

Especially without trying the Zach/Kaman/Randolph experiment.

The whole point of getting Randolph is also to have a better bench, and have insurance in case one of the bigs go down. Why would he go against that?

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Let's file this under rumors. This was actually from another article originally posted by ESPN today. They just signed a center yesterday and a source in this same article taken from ESPN also has a counter source denying Kaman is on the blocks.

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Kaman, one of the premier big men in the leage, is much greater than J Rich in market value- I wouldn't like this trade at all.

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J Rich is the real deal. But it would take DeAndre Jordan's quick developement into a bonifide "Big" before they would trade Kaman. Otherwise if Camby or ZBo get hurts then we are to thin up front.

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If we trade Camby I assume the bobcats will want some youth in return possibly a draft pick or D. Jordan.

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The only reasoning I can see for this is Baron demanding it from Dunleavy, otherwise, the idea of that doesn't make sense at all. Dunleavy's logic is questionable sometimes, but he isn't brain dead.

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Another article from hoopsworld on the subject. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10734 As we've been talking about for the better part of a week, the Charlotte Bobcats are serious in their pursuit of Los Angeles Clippers center Chris Kaman. Even as things are starting to come together in their backcourt, where DJ Augustin has had stunning success playing alongside Raymond Felton, the team is still sorely deficient in the frontcourt . . .and still losing most nights. The first deal discussed between the two teams was supposedly about Gerald Wallace, but the Clippers weren't ready to pull the trigger on that one. They even went so far as to....

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Put in Gerald Wallace and I'm in...

I agree with ESPN, losses will determine if something does happen

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Believe it or not, I think this might actually get done. I have read numerous times that the Clips are frustrated with Kamans indecisiveness and inability to consistently finish plays at the rim. There is some talk that the Clippers are trying to get Charlotte to exchange our conditional first round pick (from Minnesota) for their guaranteed first rounder next year to sweeten up the deal. Charlotte wants Kaman pretty bad so who knows. Personally, I'm not sure if I like this deal or not. On one hand, Kaman clearly has not reached his potential and who....

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By Ramona Shelburne on November 25, 2008 6:18 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | ShareThis

A lot of rumors have been flying around about the Clippers and Charlotte talking about trades for Chris Kaman. Every time another one hits the internet, I call up four or five people who generally know what's going on, and am told the same thing: Kaman isn't being traded.

I'm not the only one making these calls of course. Agents and front office types are too, just seeing if there is anything to them. Any one of these calls could result in movement in the situation, which is sort of what happened last week when talks with the Knicks stalled over the Knicks' request for Marcus Camby and draft picks, then re-opened later in the week after the Knicks came back and said they'd do the deal for Mobley and Thomas.

I can only go off of what people tell me, but every time I ask I'm told that nothing substantive is happening with Kaman right now.

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glad to hear....lets see what these guys look like together first

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As of right now... If I was Dunleavy, I dont know whether to accept or veto the trade.

Hope Charlotte trades Gerald Wallace as well *(cross fingers)

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But seriously, if we trade Kaman what happens when Camby's contract is up? Trade him for a center or go out and sign one...when we had a great one all along?

Though if the front office feels D. Jordan is able to develop into a Bynum type of center like some think then it would work out.

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I woud'nt call Kaman "great", I'd call him "slightly better than servicable"

Again though... I'd rather trade Camby.


Seriously, what happened to the NBA? Kaman could be a top 5 center... what?

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He's may need to score a bit more but he does his part where as Thornton is a roller coaster and Baron has taken a step backward. Ricky is terrible, Gordon was great last game but honestly he can't do that every game. At least Kaman is consistent.

Though i would love a center that finished with authority or one that would compliment baron's ability to pass.

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are u guys crazy i love camby way more then kamen i would trade kamen over camby evertime baron puts a nasty pass right in kamens hand he cant catch it and when he does sometimes he cant finish camby can catch and finish and we need a sg so i would trade kamen for j rich

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you have to remember that Camby is already 34 though

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When I think about it again, I guess we should just keep all our bigs if you weigh in the fact that Camby and Kaman are relatively injury prone. I don't know how much cap we have after this season but maybe we could sign VC or some other shooting guard this off season.

The best case scenario is that we won't need to if Gordon can become much more reliable sooner rather than later.

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ya true in that case i wuldnt make the trade for ethier kamen or camby beacuse i think eric gordon will be the real deal

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Agree! wink

Getting another shooter could only take away from Gordon at this point.

Reality is that if we trade for one of our coveted Bigs then expect a starting caliber player in return. And forget about Gordon starting this year and maybe next.

It boils down to this:

  1. Accept the situation the way it is...for better or worse. Let the cards fall where they may and see Gordon mature.

  2. trade a big and get a starting SG and forget about Gordon being a starter.

    Pick your poison....

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I'm not trying to be maliceous here... just an honest question.

Clipper Joe, so are you saying that you'll be content to throw this season away if it'll help Eric Gordon improve quicker?

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Trading Kaman for J-Rich makes no sense to me what so ever. We are already being out rebounded and to give away one of our best rebounders for a smaller player just doesn't make any sense to me. Kaman is a great piece to have in the low post. Gordon just showed he can shoot against the Hornets. Why get rid of Kaman for another shooter. It's a step in the wrong direction. IMO.

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yea but we are getting a great rebounder in Zach...and if BD wants J Rich we have to give him J Rich. As much as I like Kaman this team will only go as far as Baron goes. We must make him happy.

To clarify I don't know that BD wants Kaman gone I am just saying, but we all saw how awesome J Rich and BD were in Golden State two years ago.

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Jay.r wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:

  1. Accept the situation the way it is...for better or worse. Let the cards fall where they may and see Gordon mature.

I'm not trying to be maliceous here... just an honest question.

Clipper Joe, so are you saying that you'll be content to throw this season away if it'll help Eric Gordon improve quicker?

Not at all. What I am saying is that most of those here that want Gordon to start are the ones that want Kaman gone. Those guys can't have it both ways. If you want kaman traded for a shooter then expect Gordon to come off the bench and play less minutes...maybe for years depending what player we get and for how long.

If we get either Wallace or Richardson then don't expect Gordon playing much.

What I am really saying is if "those" guys are more intent on having Gordon starting then don't complain about the team or create anymore trade threads. Gordon will go through dry spells just like any other rook and so will this team...that is reality. So if Gordon is who you want on the floor then things might just take a little longer to gel.

In other words, don't complain that we should have traded kaman for a shooter if you don't like the results. I am just tired of those that want Kaman gone and Gordon starting. If we trade Kaman we are getting a good shooter in return that will ultimately have Gordon coming off the bench.

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I sorely believe Gordon is the real deal. He will develop quick and the little "oopses" will fade away. Ricky will come off the bench as before. There is a 50% chance Camby gets hurt. Betting on D'Andre developing (maybe) when you have a proven quantity like Chris isn't a good bet. We don't need anything but these guys to play to their ability. (Thornton 20ppg, BD 20ppg, Davis II 15ppg. Do the math)

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Zach Randolph's #s are BETTER than Elton Brand. I've been watching all season. This isn't the same Chris Kaman from last year. What has Chris, Soft, Indecisive, Weak, Awkward Defense Kaman done for the CLIPS? He's done the same as Baron so far - DISAPPOINT. Losing at Home to the KINGS without Kevin Martin??? TRADE Kaman for J-Rich and we'll score 100+ points every game.

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I wouldn't do this trade...yet. As some of you say, we have to test the triple man experiment. And see how develops Gordo playing as a starter and getting big minutes. Give them 5 games and if things don't improve then I think it would be time to take other decisions like finally firing the coach or trading Kaman for an AllStar player and I think JRich can be an AllStar although I would see carefully which kind of injury he has right now...

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I agree completely with Miquel, and Jay R I know you weren't trying to be malicious but I don't think it would be throwing away the season if we let Gordon develop.

I for one would love to see him develop, I've seen what he's capable of and if he plays a fraction of how good he did in high school or the beginning of his college career before he got injured, we have an incredible talent. The dude can straight up ball.

And he's not like Thornton, who learned basketball at an older age and taught himself while he was playing- Gordon's been a born scorer. He's took over leagues ever since he was a kid, and the only reason Thornton even discovered basketball was because of his growth spurt in his teens (before that, he was playing football, never even had an interest in basketball). The reason Thornton is so good is cause of his work ethic, which is unbelievable. He works so hard to improve on his game, because at heart he wasn't even a basketball player. He MADE himself a basketball player though.

That's not the case with Gordon, Gordon is Mr. Basketball. He knows how to score, he knows how to play and he's ready. If he has Thornton's work ethic (his work ethic isn't bad at all but it's not near AT's), he's gona be just like a J-Rich in this league soon, and maybe we'll look back at this trade and thank Dunleavy that he didn't pull the trigger. Cause we'll have a developed #7 pick AND one of our key centers.

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I like Kaman right now and I'd really like to see if this new system can work with our bigs.

Aside from this, there are 2 big negatives about this trade:

1) Kaman is a great trading chip. There aren't many good big men in this league, we could get someone great in return. Jason Richardson is okay, but 12.2, 13.3 and 14.4 million the next three years!? He's not that good.

2) Dunleavy is in charge and it's pretty clear he doesn't care about offense, he cares about defense. Richardson is not a tough defender

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I think it depends on what Dunleavy we're getting. If its Dunleavy the GM whose thinking about the future of the team the most logical choice is to trade Camby for a starting sg whenever the chance presents itself. If its Dunleavy the coach who's trying to cover his ass he'll go short term and settle for a quick fix, because kaman for j.rich is a NOW solution not one for the future.

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...yet another article about Kaman and the Bobcats, but still interesting. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=10742 Camby Not Kaman?: For the past couple of days there has been rampant speculation on the status of the L.A. Clippers front court, which is now packed with forwards and centers (Chris Kaman, Marcus Camby, Paul Davis, DeAndre Jordan, Brian Skinner and Zach Randolph). The belief is that Chris Kaman is the odd man out, as he is certainly coveted by more than half the league. The problem is Kaman does not seem to be the player the Clips would really consider moving. Sources close to the club explain that most....

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Camby and Kaman ARE great rebounders, but they can't rebound when they're on the bench. I think the quandary is how we're going to get the maximum productivity from all our players.

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Kaman is obviously not J-Rich offensively but J-Rich is not Kaman defensively. Randolph will not fill the void left by Kaman if traded. Kaman actually tries to play defense, not just rebound. Camby was reassured of his possibility staying with the team. At the same time Camby is much older then Kaman. Why keep Camby and dump Kaman.? Also just because J-Rich and BD had a good thing going in GSW doesn't mean it will translate into Dun's system. And everyone here has been expressing that they really want EG to start. You get Rich and you can forget about that for while he's here.

All i'm saying is I don't see how this trade would help us so much that we bounce back from this horrible start. One player is not going to fix it fast.

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kaman is staying. gordon will take over sg role.

rich is like mags we would have kept mags if we wanted. Gerald on the other hand is a great player with good d. but most of the time he is injured. and you know what that would mean for the clippers. he would prob be out for the whole year if he joined us.

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