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TheCalmInsanity
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This was inspired by a Laker fan friend of mine. Alot of people nowadays have been asking for "full roster overhauls" and all these things that have already happened: Pointless thoughts. Now, I decided to make a thread for us to remember that we still do have a team. No matter how bad the record. No matter how much hope is lost for this season, we DO have a team. For many people, this thread can be a learning experience about the Clipper team that you watch, but don't observe... For others this can be an update on the team that they....

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mike42
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Right on!

only difference for me would be the coaching.

granted a new coach ain't gonna turn this ship around, but,

it will start changing directions (coaching wise), so by the start of next season

it wont be a bunch of guys adapting to a new system (which we saw the results of this season)

we have a whole rest of this season to be gettn the bugs out, if we can get a new coach now.

and next year we can his the court knowing the new coaches system.

realistically, dunleavy aint gonna fire himself anyway, right?

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This is a great post. As you noted, there are players who need to step it up when healthy, B Davis, Kaman, R Davis, but the ingredient for a great team is a great bench. This season, the bench is getting the experience and performing beyond expectation. I doubt that there will be a need to play our starters 40 minutes when they return because the bench will be able to hold their own against the rest of the league. I agree that we should stick to the team we have and not try to revamp again just because this season has been a dud. I also agree that we need a new captain (coach) to turn around this Clipper ship, but as Mike42 stated, Dunleavy isn't going to fire himself.

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Great thorough analysis TCI! repped!!!!

dchou1107
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Good post about keeping the team together. We really need a solid leader that the players will listen to and believe in whether its Dun or anyone else. I love it how before the All Star break, clipper nation is thinking about next season. Just like I am thinking about whether to renew my season tix after 9 years

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IMO from our current team I would say adios to Skinner, Ricky and Hart. The other guys are OK. I would need to see more about Samb but I give him confidence vote.

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There's nothing wrong with keeping our team. In fact letting guys play together is a good thing.

But whatever trades were proposed on this forum (at least the constructive ones) were all brought up because they would improve our team. Not just for the sake of more overhauls.

We all care about the team, so if there's a trade that would strengthen it, why not talk about it? Or at least consider it?

I agree, we have some pieces, but Big Dun should have looked at the big picture before he brought some of them in. Especially Baron.

You bring up a lot of good points, and i agree with a majority of them, but if a good and worth-while trade offer comes along that would considerably strengthen us... then I'm all ears.

It's not like we've built any chemistry now that could get ruined.

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Thanks alot for your opinions and compliments guys. You guys are great :) Mike42, great points, I agree with you man. That is certainly an option. Dchou- renew them only if you want. Don't feel like you're doing a service to the Clippers- season tickets are for your own enjoyment. If you're having doubts about buying tickets then maybe you should reconsider it. If it's not gona make you have fun, why do it in the first place? #50, I totally agree with you. This post wasn't made aimed at a certain person- As I said it was inspired by a Laker fan....

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P.S thanks alot for the rep Clipper Joe Smile

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First off, even though our team is hurting I personaly am mad at myself for dumping my seats this year (although I kept them in a mini plan). I am going to get them bck next year full season (maybe shared but I'm gonna do it).

I want to see how this team functions with Zach back,,and perhaps no BD. I am just curious. As the OP pointed out, he sort of was dragging us down before he got hurt (perhaps injury related) but we have to wait and see if he comes back as the BD we all expected. Otherwise I like what we have.

I want to see the current team, at full strengh, after the break and let's see if this is it. This is a great fantasy team, let's see if they get it together. Some of the guys I was really upset with us playing (Skinner, Collins, Jones) have turned out to really play pretty hard. If I was to pick one that I could see going it would be Hart,,other then that,,lets see 'em at full strengh.

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TCI your talking crazy now! Keep the whole team?! The way most fans are they want to win now at any expense and what your saying requires patience. Most fans of the team would say hell no, but I do have say that I agree with you. To try to explain my reasoning as to why I agree with you, I will give you the example of my other favorite team. The pittsburgh steelers have always been a poster child for stability. They haven't always won championships but they have kept stability constant. They have had 3 coaches in about 4 decades. Nowadays that is just unheard of. There is something to stability that players love but fans cant understand sometimes. Now I am not saying the Clippers are like the Steelers but the clippers have had so much turnover of coaches over the years and shuffling of players, stability is not what the team has experienced. It shows in the overall record of the franchise. I would like the franchise to stabilize. If not now, when?!

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Wow TCI! Great post bro. Keep up the good work.

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Hold judgement on resigning until the end of the season.

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Thank you Calm!!! I LOVE what you said. This is very true. I get sick and tired of you guys saying getting rid of Z-bo and Baron and stuff. I mean I want Dunleavy to step down as Head Coach and stick to being a GM he is a great GM but we need a coach. And I'm finally glad you brought this up. Good job. Rep for you also!

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Thank you Calm!!! I LOVE what you said. This is very true. I get sick and tired of you guys saying getting rid of Z-bo and Baron and stuff. I mean I want Dunleavy to step down as Head Coach and stick to being a GM he is a great GM but we need a coach. And I'm finally glad you brought this up. Good job. Rep for you also!

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Spot on post, TheCalmInsanity. Nice use of oxymoron, BTW.

It's counter-intuitive to advocate maintaining the status quo when the record is so terrible. But the team is solid when Randolph is in the lineup. And the guys have been playing hard despite (or maybe because of) being undermanned. Your analysis certainly makes me long for the day when a healthy Clipper squad can start to function together. Despite how disappointing Baron has been, I refuse to accept he's as bad as we've seen. And his assists per game means he's a capable enough playmaker. Whether it was willful or because of injury, I still think Baron is perfectly capable of getting over that funk he was mired in.

As others have posted, Hart/Skinner/R. Davis are dispensable role players who's production can either be replaced by the young guys (Taylor, DeAndre) or upgraded in free agency.

Keep this team together. Don't tank for a weak draft. Just get healthy and win a freaking game now and then, for crying out loud.

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the question is, how long do we wait. if all the players come back healthy, and they still play like strangers till the end of the season, do we start rebuilding? if we keep them for next year, and we dont see progress, do we start rebuilding? is patience really patience if there's no end to the waiting?

there's no doubting we have MAD TALENT on this team on paper, but we all know that doesnt win games.

TCI, i really dont think preseason had anything to do with this. the players had MORE than enough time to figure something out. and its not like they were going against top talent during the preseason - scrubs came in in the first half. if anything, its to help the guys get in conditioning and MINOR tactics.

THE CHALLENGE is this: there's nothing to play for at the moment, so its gonna be EXTREEEEEMLY difficult to get some of the veterans to actually give 110% both in games and in practice/rehab. and we've already seen that's a hard task considering they didnt even show 70% when the games mattered.

as far as camby, here's an interesting take. we all take jabs at baron and thornton for being shoot-first chuckers, but can we say the same for camby who's sooo obsessed with the attention he's getting via stat lines? deandre himself said that camby takes it personal and gives dirty looks when other clippers come down with the rebound. could he be sacrificing defensive rotations just to put himself in a position to come up with a block or rebound? probably reading too much into it, but just a thought.

*as far as kaman, lets not forget that he's our only legit low-post threat. that alone would open up the court for gordo, novak and crew to drain threes all game long. randolph and camby dont allow for that. i get excited just thinking about it.

you also point out that our bench players are starting to shine since they're actually getting playing time. while i agree, you cant dismiss the fact that we often start off games horribly in the first quarter - they need time to flow. when the starters come back, they'll be placed in the same position: short minutes, thrown into the fire. i honestly dont think their current minutes and increased confidence will do much for them in the future. its hard to be on top of your game when you're you dont have the time to work your way into the flow of the game. not to mention that our starters will ignore the heck out of them when/if they see time.

and TCI, its actually surprising that you're saying nothing but positive things about each and every player but then end your post with a "we all know dunleavy might be doing a horrible job" rant. there's too much drama this season and coach is doing a pretty good job keeping this ship AFLOAT. i mean, he's getting inexperienced SCRUBS, i repeat SCRUBS!!! to go toe to toe with the likes of phoenix, san antonio, dallas, detroit, etc. on a nightly basis. if that's not good coaching, i dont know what is.

its not his fault we're getting blown out when the starters show no interest.

poor coach, always the scapegoat for no specific reason.

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I like all your ideas and opinions guys, thanks for all your input. Most of you guys are spot on in all of your posts.. And I'm really glad alot of you enjoyed reading such a long rant haha.

As for ekker, one thing I want to answer from you. About the Dunleavy thing- you know I've been a supporter this whole season.

I said "If there's one thing I agree with", and I didn't use my words as harshly as you said. I said "he's not doing the best job", not that he's horrible.

To me, the only thing that I don't like about Dunleavy's offense is the fact that it's very iso heavy. He uses alot of isolations instead of motions. But he's a very savvy coach and I've always stood up for him. One more thing I think he has to do is motivate the team a little more. I'm not sure if that's his job or the players' job but they need to be as motivated as our bench players out there.

Oh and another thing, the reason I can compliment their individual performances so much is because their passion, energy, and how hard they've been trying isn't something installed by Dunleavy. That's why I just said above that I'm not sure if that's Dunleavy's job or not. Fact of the matter is- whoever did it, and made them play with this fire- deserves alot of credit. Be it Dunleavy, or be it that alot of the players are injured.

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By the way, in agreement, I think the one player that's despensable right now is Jason Hart.

Skinner had a very strong start to this season, then started to drop off.. But he made me chance my mind about his recent play as he's been solid as well.

I wish we still had Paul Davis, he would be contributing more than Samb has been. I just wonder why Dunleavy did it- surely he has a reason. Might have been for money so that he can resign Fred Jones.

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I agree with the above posts. Dunleavy has built a solid team as GM and that’s where he should be. I don’t know what it will take to have Dunleavy step aside as coach but I’m sure it would have to be dictated by Sterling. If you look at the past games our “scrub” players have been giving it their all and if they continue should stay with the team.

Another issue that needs to be addressed is injuries on our roster. Seriously looking at replacing the medical and training staff needs to happen. Look at how Shaq has upped his game this season in Phoenix, I think that’s due to having a good medical and training staff which he didn’t have access to in Miami.

I also think Baron does have a place here. He reminds me of Kobe back when he demanded his trade. What Baron needs to do is mature and trust his teammates. If Kobe can do this I have hope for Baron also if he leaves his ego out of the game.

I hope that our guys will get well and show the critics that we can be a solid team.

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Keep the core players except Kaman...ship his injury prone a** outta here. The guy's middle name should be Plantar fasciitis. What a joke.

And lastly, Dumbleavy...you've made tens of millions in your NBA career, please respect the fans and the organization and bow down as coach. You are a disgrace to NBA coaching as it is, why humiliate yourself any further? If Pat Riley was man enough to do it, why can't you?

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why single out kaman? baron's MUCH more injury prone than chris.

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First off, love the optimism on this thread, the team needs it.

But look at these players:

Baron Davis

Eric Gordon

Al Thornton

Marcus Camby

Zach Randolph

Chris Kaman

These are our main guys. Imagine this is an SAT question: Which name doesn't fit??? BARON DAVIS!! This team was not built around Baron on purpose. Elton said he wouldn't stay unless we got Baron, Dunleavy obliged, then Elton screwed us and we're left with him. I can't believe that this squad is a true contender until Baron is gone, he doesn't know how to play organized basketball

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yeah i kinda exaggerated your claim. my bad.

i disagree that he needs to do more to motivate his players. i think dun's aged tenfold these past couple years due to that very reason. i mean, try and find a picture of him not yelling. (bonus points if you find an in-game picture of him smiling). what else can the guy do?

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But that's exactly it, Dunleavy has done absolutely everything he can, and the results are horrible. He could be the smartest basketball mind in history, but if he can't motivate this team because they have no faith in him, then he should go. In principal, it should be the other way around because they're professional athletes. But realistically we can't trade away the entire team.

If the Clippers want change, Dunleavy has to step down.

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In a perfect world, they should have total faith in him because they're pros. but the truth is, the guys have no faith in him. Well, Baron sure as hell doesn't and he's supposed to be your leader. Look at a motivator like Nate McMillan, his guys go to war for him. A mastermind like Phil Jackson? His players maximize their talents playing in his system. A throwback like D'antoni? His team has fun running and gunning.

But us? Who do we have? A technical foul ladened control freak with a boring, detrimental system who has sucked the life out of Clipper Nation. And yes, I keep coming back for more.

ekker3
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WHY YALL KEEP HATIN' ON ME?!

TheCalmInsanity
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LMAO ekker... Rock on man.

You stand by your stuff like.. a very loyal person? Lol. I ran out of similies.

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Man, he really needs some fashion tips.

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Needs some coaching tips man was that last game was ugly.

TheCalmInsanity
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I think we'll be fine as long as we get Z-bo back.

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Hi men....I have a question for you...I'm from Italy (so there are 2 clippers fans here----and I'm sorry for my english....I try to do my best) and here nobody talks about clippers...so my news are quite old...Can anybody explain me the Baron situation?What's the problem with him??I'm a very big fan of this player...and I was so happy when this summer he jioned clippers...It's true that he wants to be traded?? Thanks at all! Very Happy

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Welcome Gin88.

The Baron situation was a "rumor" started by Stephen Jackson (Warriors). No one knows for sure if he said he wanted to be traded but Jackson did say he wanted to go back to play for the Warriors. Baron has denied he made the comments but I think there is a little truth to that. Mike Dunleavy has since said he would not trade baron and that he would make the best of this situation.

I hope this helps! Very Happy

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Oh yes....Now I understand all the rumors...Well...I still hope Baron can stay with clippers and help our team to become a strong team...

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Thanks TCI, I agree, keep the team together. A bench of Camby/or/Kaman with Collins, Ricky, Skinner, Taylor, Novak, DeAndre is not bad at all (if we ever get to see them as just the bench). Will score way more than 10 per game and play good defense.

I don't see why the negatives about Hart. Hey, he's supposed to be the 12th man and 3rd PG at best! You're not gonna get much more than Hart for that role and don't need much more.

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What we need, what management needs is this:

hold a press conference, include Dunleavy, Baron, DTS, Zack & Marcus

hell, have everyone there it will show support and solidarity,

(like the press conference when Lamar got poped for for dirty pee)

and set the record straight.

they can't hold out on us and expect us to support them financially

via tickets and merchandising.

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