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I know its still early for this but its never to late to start right?? But on Yahoo! they predict that we would have the number 3 pick for Jordan Hill F/C combo from Arizona St. What do you guys think about this??? I don't know much about him. But who do you guys think we should get?

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I know its still early for this but its never to late to start right?? But on Yahoo! they predict that we would have the number 3 pick for Jordan Hill F/C combo from Arizona St. What do you guys think about this??? I don't know much about him. But who do you guys think we should get?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=n ... ;type=lgns

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CJ please delete this one post and keep the other one.

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I think we're thin at the small forward position so I would concentrate there, and depending on whether or not we keep Baron, there are a lot of good point guards available in this draft

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Let's package the pick for a player that can help us right now. As far as young guys, two projects (Jordan and Taylor) and a future star (Gordon) are enough.

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rule #1: dont draft for need (especially if you're in the top 3) rule #2: draft talent

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sure we have baron. taylor's a true sg hart is _____.

give rubio a few years of backup and davis mentoring.

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If you have the chance to draft Rubio, Jennings, or Holiday in this draft, you do it without hesitation. These 3 players have far more potential at the PG position than Taylor. Taylor, as exciting as he can be is not a true point guard, and forces way too many turnovers. This team needs a PG to groom for the future, and thankfully this draft is loaded with guards.

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I am going to merge the thread so david can catch & delete. Thanks for the heads up!

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Depending on how high our pick is, I would either follow your logic or blow up this entire "project" we have going on and go full-on rebuilding mode. But yeah, personally I hope we trade the pick and get someone that could really help us right now, I'm tired of potential, results would be nice

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If you have the chance to draft Rubio, Jennings, or Holiday in this draft, you do it without hesitation. These 3 players have far more potential at the PG position than Taylor. Taylor, as exciting as he can be is not a true point guard, and forces way too many turnovers. This team needs a PG to groom for the future, and thankfully this draft is loaded with guards.

You have no evidence of this, just because Taylor forces turnovers does not mean that with a little bit of seasoning that he can be a future star...give the guy a chance, hes only been with us (playing) for less then half the season he has potential but you have to give things time.

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the nice thing right now about "rebuilding" if we chose to do it at the end of the year and trade a few of our big names- it shouldnt be that long of a rebuild process until we start winning with guys like gordon and thornton who have shown some great signs over the past few weeks. while this season has been completely different and worse than many of us expected, we are going to have a lot of nice options to work with at the end of this season in terms of what direction our franchise is heading. hopefully we can land a high pick in the draft- that just gives us another nice option.

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I really think we should actually trade are pick for someone that can really help this team. This years draft class is pretty weak unless you can keep your hands on rubio, jennings, or holiday.

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I agree, either package and trade the pick for a good player. If we keep the pick, I definitely don't want to see another project. I say go for a player that is smart, can play D, knows his role, and can contribute immediately.

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Blake Griffin we should go for him if we get 1st pick

sz123456
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We have bad luck so I am assuming we'll get the 7th pick again. If that is the case, this is what I do:

Trade Baron for a true PG the likes of Kirk Hinrich or Jose Calderon, then get an athletic slasher to back up Thornton off the bench, my money is on DeMar Derozan out of USC, he is ridiculously athletic.

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I like your ideas about trading for Jose or Hinrich. Both are unselfish and they always think on the team first. They are better defenders than Baron and don't need so much the ball in his hands as Baron does.

Anyways Jose is commited with the Raptors and I don't see him leaving the Raps...Hinrich would be easier to get although I think we should offer a package with Kaman since they need they haven't got any quality center.

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The Bulls will definitely want Kaman if we are talking trades with them, I'm not sure how I feel about that until I see Kaman play with the other big men. Baron on the other hand I have seen play and it's infuriating.

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Does anyone remember the stipulations as to whether or not we get Minnesota's pick? What has to happen for us to get it?

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cannot be a top 10 pick, we get it in 2010 i think, dont remember

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Right now Minnesota is has the 7th worst record. If they climb to 11th worst then would we get the pick? If so then, McHale needs to keep the wins coming to just save his own @ss and give us their pick.

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I'd rather wait another year and get Minny's pick when it becomes unprotected. Especially with this draft being weak compared to last year's.

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ditto...

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spontane wrote:
corgiBear8 wrote:
I'd rather wait another year and get Minny's pick when it becomes unprotected. Especially with this draft being weak compared to last year's.

ditto...

ditto as well.

But I'm pretty sure the pick is top ten protected in 2010 also. Unprotected in 2011. So best case: Minny stays in the bottom ten this season and next, then REALLY tanks in 2010-11 so LAC gets a huge pick.

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ether wrote:
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corgiBear8 wrote:
I'd rather wait another year and get Minny's pick when it becomes unprotected. Especially with this draft being weak compared to last year's.

ditto...

ditto as well.

But I'm pretty sure the pick is top ten protected in 2010 also. Unprotected in 2011. So best case: Minny stays in the bottom ten this season and next, then REALLY tanks in 2010-11 so LAC gets a huge pick.

you right, the pick is ours unprotected after 2010/2011. Lets just hope mc'hale gets fired and jefferson will not play for any other coach! =)

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actually, im hoping that minny gets enough wins to maybe get like the 10th or 11th pick in the draft.

think about it, if we end up with a top 4 pick AND the 10th pick, we could maybe get a monroe, griffin, or rubio as our top 4 AND get a derozan, jennings, or curry. if we get minny's 10th or 11th pick, im alright with that. im a real fan of derozan.

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The players that have caught my eye for the 09 draft are

Guards

Jeff Teauge

James Harden

Darren Collison (senior top defender and team player)

Eric Maynor

Forwards

Patrick Patterson (Could be a steal)

Al-Farouq Aminu

Blake Griffin

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I like those guys above too. As far as guards go, I also like Willie Warren and Terrence Williams. Both guys are really athletic scorers who are a lot of fun to watch. For forwards, I think Greg Monroe could also be a nice piece for us. Jordan Hill is another guy I think would be great for our team. He is not the best scorer, but his energy and hustle off the bench would be nice, especially if we have a mid range lottery pick and most of the top prospects are off the board.

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Either we land the top pick and take Blake Griffin or we trade our pick to move down ( like from 3 to 11 ) to take Jennings or Curry. Rubio at best will be a mixture of Beno Udrih and Jamaal Tinsley AT BEST. Thats not very good for a top 3 pick.

Get with the program people, its griffin or bust.

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I am not sold on Jennings anymore than I am sold on Rubio. But like you said, we just gotta wait and see where our pick ends up being. Gordon and Griffin= success for us. Two hard workers who can step into the league with a very professional attitude will mean good things for this franchise, no matter who is around them (well it might be a good idea to tweak the roster a little)

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sunnydrew3 wrote:
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Either we land the top pick and take Blake Griffin or we trade our pick to move down ( like from 3 to 11 ) to take Jennings or Curry. Rubio at best will be a mixture of Beno Udrih and Jamaal Tinsley AT BEST. Thats not very good for a top 3 pick.

Get with the program people, its griffin or bust.

I am not sold on Jennings anymore than I am sold on Rubio. But like you said, we just gotta wait and see where our pick ends up being. Gordon and Griffin= success for us. Two hard workers who can step into the league with a very professional attitude will mean good things for this franchise, no matter who is around them (well it might be a good idea to tweak the roster a little)

  • thonrton, kaman, taylor, and deandre. damn that's a crazy team lol and we trade baron for some good bench players.
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I am not sold on the current team as is. I hope if they fire Dun and try a new coach, I hope they trade the pick for a player thats ready now and compete for the next few years. If the team is going in that direction. If not then dump the high salaries and keep the rookies. Build up like portland.

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how can you be so quick to want to draft jennings (who hasnt proven anything) and yet predict rubio (who has 10x the IQ, maturity, and experience all the while being YOUNGER than jennings) as being a lottery bust.

rubio rubio rubio.

no way his ceiling is beno freaking udrih.

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so if griffin is off the board and we had the #2 pick, who would you guys select if we had the current roster we have right now???

a PG?

a Swingman that can play SG/SF?

a Post player- and what type- defensive bigman or one who can score?

If I had the number 2 pick i think i would have to take rubio in this draft. with no rubio, im not sure who a clear #2 guy in this draft is. i like harden, but we have gordon and thornton, and harden is undersized. no need for 2 undersized SG's. My pick would probably have to be Jordan Hill from Arizona. He hustles and works hard each game. I would like his energy off the bench, he reminds me somewhat of a milsapp type of player. But man, please let us get the #1 pick! Please!

What would you guys do?

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i think mike smith made a great point last night. if harden was in last year's draft class he wouldnt have been picked in the lottery. other than griffin (who would probably go top 10 last year), this class is thin.

that's if rubio doesnt declare.

if rubio's not there, id have to think about jennings. he's obviously not ready to contribute any time soon and could very well end up being a gerald green-type bust. much too raw at the moment.

i wouldnt mind jordan hill, but wouldnt feel comfortable drafting him at 2. instead id package the pick with a player or two for some other pieces.

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ekker3 wrote:
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Either we land the top pick and take Blake Griffin or we trade our pick to move down ( like from 3 to 11 ) to take Jennings or Curry. Rubio at best will be a mixture of Beno Udrih and Jamaal Tinsley AT BEST. Thats not very good for a top 3 pick.

how can you be so quick to want to draft jennings (who hasnt proven anything) and yet predict rubio (who has 10x the IQ, maturity, and experience all the while being YOUNGER than jennings) as being a lottery bust.

rubio rubio rubio.

no way his ceiling is beno freaking udrih.

Yeah man seriously he rapped (no pun inteaded) Jennings when they met. He's played in the Olympics (huge stage) and his IQ and passing ability are being compared with Nash's. Udrih or Tinsley at best? Hard to imagine seeing as he's performed so well against everyone in Europe. Even WORST case scenario he'll be miles ahead of Udrih and Tinsley.

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ekker3 wrote:
sunnydrew3 wrote:
so if griffin is off the board and we had the #2 pick, who would you guys select if we had the current roster we have right now???

a PG?

a Swingman that can play SG/SF?

a Post player- and what type- defensive bigman or one who can score?

If I had the number 2 pick i think i would have to take rubio in this draft. with no rubio, im not sure who a clear #2 guy in this draft is. i like harden, but we have gordon and thornton, and harden is undersized. no need for 2 undersized SG's. My pick would probably have to be Jordan Hill from Arizona. He hustles and works hard each game. I would like his energy off the bench, he reminds me somewhat of a milsapp type of player. But man, please let us get the #1 pick! Please!

What would you guys do?

i think mike smith made a great point last night. if harden was in last year's draft class he wouldnt have been picked in the lottery. other than griffin (who would probably go top 10 last year), this class is thin.

that's if rubio doesnt declare.

if rubio's not there, id have to think about jennings. he's obviously not ready to contribute any time soon and could very well end up being a gerald green-type bust. much too raw at the moment.

i wouldnt mind jordan hill, but wouldnt feel comfortable drafting him at 2. instead id package the pick with a player or two for some other pieces.

Couldn't we just select Harden and trade him? Or do what Ekker said and package the pick. And I agree with Ekker, Hill is a bit high at the 2. Thabeet is also ranked being selected 2-4 currently. haven't seen much of him though. Too bad we're solid at the PF/C spots though Griffin would be a no brainier at the 1.

I'm also a fan of Rubio and would totally consider picking him up if we have the option to. Then we ship out Davis and get 1-2 players for him.

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I like Rubio but I don't see him a top three pick. I would never pick him that high. We need to get the best available player on our first pick. The international game is way different than an 82 game nba season. Way stiffer competition.

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it shouldnt be a comparison of the nba and euroleague, but between the euroleague and college basketball.

im feeling it. ricky rubio will be one of a kind.

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Rubio won't be around by pick 11, unless some BS happens hence why I said take Jennings or Curry.

Jennings knows United States style of ball and has a lot of talent. Hes being highly scrutinized by the media because he jumped ship to play in Europe and is basically the star of his team, for an 18 year old kid thats a big task on the professional level. Stephen Curry would be great for this team too. He can steal the ball and shoot well, however he would have to learn that its Gordons ball first, then his turn to shoot. We could actually use both players to take the ball up off and on.

Everyone seriously needs to lay off Rubio and look at the talent that is elsewhere on the board. I'm all for drafting players from anywhere but its not a safe bet to take an international player. Rubio's stats aren't highly impressive But go ahead and wish to draft him. If he turns out to be a bust like Yaroslav or Nikoloz Tshikizitis or w/e his name was don't go crying on the forums or at your local bar.

I'd rather MISS on a draft pick HERE so we don't have to pay extra money to buy out his contract overseas.

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I can guarantee you that Rubio won't be neither a Korolev nor Skita...You only have to see his career to see we are talking about a guy that at his age he has already proved many things. You don't have to be afraid about this topic. IMO a top 3 pick would be a risky decision but if Mike Conley was drafted fourth for the Grizzlies then everything is possible.

On the other hand I've finally arrived to the 1000 posts club in this great forum. I arrived here in 2002 and I think I can say that I'm one of the oldest around here so I feel proud to have stayed loyalty to this ballclub. As you know to be a Clipper fan isn't easy but to come here and see your illusion and love for the team is always a big boost.

Thanks everybody for your patience to read my comments and specially to David who is the father of this forum and always has been great with me.

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Unless we have the #1 pick for Blake Griffin right?

What player/players would you like to pick up?

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We need a quality PG that can slow down the offense and manage with limited TO's. We can run a Davis/option 1 draft pick or option 2 Taylor. I currently believe we are way to high in the draft for a team with this many starter type players. The Clippers should solely be looking for upgrades in depth or at the most another big to to replace Camby if everything goes to hell next season and he walks.

As a UCLA fan I would like to trade down with a team (maybe pick up a solid bench player in the process) get Jrue Holiday.

WE are alos going to need to fill the Fred Jones spot, as I don't see him coming back and scouts must have seen him playing at a solid enough level to at least warrant a two year contract. The Lakers as well could still be interested and pick Fred up.

Side-Note: Has anyone been watching Josh Powell the man is playing hard basketball and has become a strong rotation player for the Lakers. Seems every team takes one of our players and makes them fit better in their system.

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OMG, I was just thinking that yesterday when I heard he like 17 points.

The guy can play, but not sure why the CLIPS let him go.

The only exception of a former Clipper player turned Laker that has not worked out is Vladimir Radmonivic.

So is it the system or is it the coach?

How is James Singleton doing these days?

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You need only check the buzz on Rubio to know that he's no Korolev. Please. Rubio has been a phenom for years, plus he gotten the nod from no less than CP3 and Deron... that's good enough for me. And don't give me that "weak draft" bs. Like the draft is such an exact science! Griffin is a stud in any year! That combination of strength and athleticism just doesn't happen that often. I don't care what Mike Smith said about Harden either. Harden can play, that fantasy about where he would or wouldn't have gone in last year's draft is just that... fantasy. If we added Harden, so what if we've already got Gordon and Al, he could spell either, or allow Eric to play a little point (which he says he can do) and have three bonafide scorers on the perimeter at once! Or go small, let Al play 4 and run some teams to death. Harden is my pre-season pick for ROY. I like Terrence Williams a lot too. He's a multi-talented guy, and Gerald Henderson is strong. The conference tournaments and March Madness will highlight almost all of these players over the next few weeks. It should be fun to watch.

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Does he have a YouTube compilation?

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Love what you wrote. Pretty much what I have been thinking about the draft for a long time now. Griffin is a baller. He hustles big time too which i love seeing from a guy with a nice skill set. Also, I think Mike was more saying Harden would be a late lottery pick last year to illustrate how deep last years draft was. Harden is good too though. I mean, the lottery was pretty deep last year.

My favorite point you brought up- Terrence Williams. He hasnt gotten too much hype that I have seen, but I love his hops and ability to do a lot of things. I really, really wish we had a late lottery or mid first rounder to pick this guy up as a Thorton back up.

I am also excited for some March Madness this year, should be fun to watch. The first couple days where there are like 30 games or so played are awesome, so much exciting stuff happens.

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wow.. this is what i need to hear from a point guard.

@ 37 seconds, see what he says? now thats a point guard and a team player.

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This is a pretty good compilation of Rubio. Tell me those passes don't remind you of CP3.

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man these videos make me want rubio just as much as griffin now.

is it too much to ask for both? trade baron to whoever gets a top pick so we can draft both guys!

i heard the wizards might be interested in trading their pick this year cuz they dont want to take on any more salary, but who knows.

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Rubio has a certain flair and court sense that you can't teach. He can work on his jump shot, he can even improve his athleticism... any player can. What you can't teach is the natural flair he has (which fans love and of course PAY to see - not a bad thing in this economy) and the kind of court vision he displays. Oh, and that "team first" attitude doesn't hurt either. Comparing the risks associated with drafting him to the unfortunate experiment that was Korolev is like confusing Kimbo Slice with Ali. They're both in the same martial field... but there's a big difference. I can't honestly say that I prefer him to Griffin, or even Harden, who I think is for real... but he's a close third. Rubio just seems a special player and special players don't come along that often.

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