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clipps04
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^^^But that's the thing. We've already looked into trading BD and I've heard rumors about Kaman being shopped this summer. Fred and Collins have been good but they're no more than role players. Rubio (as he stands now) has more potential than any PG on our roster (BD is 29 we know what he can do, hopefully he'll have a better season next time around) Rubio can be our future PG either in Baron's remaining 2-3 years with us or before if we decide to ship him out. We're gonna need a PG eventually. We can pick up a SG or SF in the FA market.

If we DON'T get the number one pick (which very well could happen) and we end up with the 2-4 pick, who would we take? Why not Rubio? I guess we could get Hill, Thabeet, or Harden (though could be trouble with him and EG down the road for starting role)

We just really need to know what our priorities are. Stick with BD and hope he can lead this team and draft a big man and trade Kaman/Camby. Or pick up Rubio who will take over starting PG and ship out Baron. Rubio at least has played in the Olympics and the Euro league so starting wouldn't be a stretch than say someone out of college who hasn't experienced the big league.

Just thoughts. Guess we'll find out within the coming months.

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I honestly believe in BD coming through next year and with his huge contract no one would want him not even for a one footed Jason Kidd. I honestly think that trade was set up to shake up players morales and let them know they are not untouchable. As for kaman, I love his game when he is in the flow of things. The only thing is the guy has to dunk the ball more, please kaman dunk. So I don't think moving kaman is an option because you can't start dj or expect camby to play starter minutes next season. I think you keep everyone and add Griffin or another pf/c type player. We don't need pg's we have 4. I think we keep the pg's and let them mesh. We need a sg/sf even though we have 3 in jone/collins/novak. I love there games as role players but we need a fire coming off the bench in the back court to keep defenses honest. We are stacked up front for at least next year. We lose camby after that or keep him on league min. which would be a great thing. DJ is going to get more minutes next year for sure and he will grow as much as HE wants. But dj is not a pf so we would have a huge gap at pf because I can't believe that novak would take the 2nd team pf spot or any other player on this team. I think we move Ricky to a contender for a second round pick, they will probably waive him and that would help with cap space(not sure if that wouldn't count against their cap space if they are over), hope fully a low 30's 2nd round for a defensive stud. So basically keep everyone except ricky, skinner, acker, and try to milk the draft maybe trade our second round picks plus our minny pick and be creative maybe get another top 10 pick. Go after pf and sf/sg player in the 1st. I think keeping camby makes the most sense unless we could get a caron butler for camby straight up or with filler, 2nd rounder. We would have (player/age) bd/29, gordon/20, at/25, kaman 27, zack 27, camby 34. Our bench would look like taylor/23, jones/draft pick, colllins/draft pick, griffin/filler, dj/filler. That would be a solid young team. All we would have to figure out is the dunleavy situation, the talent would be there.

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According to Hoopshype, Rubio is declaring. This is good news because it bumps everyone in the top down a spot. The only question is who will go #1, Griffen or Rubio? Right now my top 5 picks according to record as of now are:

  1. Kings-Griffen (Take the best player in the draft, regardless of team need)

  2. Wizards-Rubio (Arenas is still their PG, but you can't pass up on Rubio)

  3. Clippers-Harden (One of the most versatile players in the draft)

  4. Grizzlies-Thabeet (Should help their defense)

  5. Thunder-Hill (Hill should fit in well with the Thunder at the PF spot)

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The clippers should draft DeMar DeRozan.

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According to Hoopshype, Rubio is declaring. This is good news because it bumps everyone in the top down a spot. The only question is who will go #1, Griffen or Rubio? Right now my top 5 picks according to record as of now are: Kings-Griffen (Take the best player in the draft, regardless of team need) Wizards-Rubio (Arenas is still their PG, but you can't pass up on Rubio) Clippers-Harden (One of the most versatile players in the draft) Grizzlies-Thabeet (Should help their defense) Thunder-Hill (Hill should fit in well with the Thunder at the PF spot)
i saw the hoopshype article too,....

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Griffin or bust. There is no in between.

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he would be a perfect backup to EG in my opinion. he wont ever be quite as good as EG, so wont take his starting spot, but would be a very very serviceable backup to EG. i like the guys athleticism a lot and he should develop a jumpshot, but if we are picking top 6 or so i would pass on him.

i see derozan going anywhere from 8 or 9 to late lottery (15 maybe 16)

of course, as with a lot of guys, a strong pre-draft camp and strong NCAA tourney could change his draft stock pretty quick.

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sunnydrew3 wrote:
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The clippers should draft DeMar DeRozan.

he would be a perfect backup to EG in my opinion. he wont ever be quite as good as EG, so wont take his starting spot, but would be a very very serviceable backup to EG. i like the guys athleticism a lot and he should develop a jumpshot, but if we are picking top 6 or so i would pass on him.

i see derozan going anywhere from 8 or 9 to late lottery (15 maybe 16)

of course, as with a lot of guys, a strong pre-draft camp and strong NCAA tourney could change his draft stock pretty quick.

If we ended up with the 3rd pick in the draft or say 5th I say we trade down ( or up however you want to call it ) to get the say, 8-14th pick in the draft to take DeRozan, Jennings or Curry.

I think those 3 players will do more for our team if we cant get Griffin than Rubio or anyone else will.

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Rubio at the 2nd pick??? Too risky...You are falling in love with a guy that most of you haven't watched in any full game. He is averaging less than 10 points here in Spain. I doubt if playing in NBA he'll ever average more than 15 points.

I would try to be more informed before making the kind of statements I'm reading every day around here

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I like James Harden have seen his highlights and he plays excellent basketball and Eric Maynor is'nt bad either.

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Really going to need another punch in the backocoirt come free agency. I see Fred Jone taking a deal elsewhere and it all depends on how well Ricky comes back. Mike Taylor is a nice PG but another one never hurts. Mardy can slide to the 2 or 3 spotwith a little 1 spot if forced while Novak can backup at the 3(more likely)-4 spot. It might just come down to taking the best player on the board rather than need but personally I would like another PG that can grow with Mike rather than stunt his growth.

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i don't know a lot about him but I know he's not averaging a lot of points because he doesn't have a jump shot. But look at what Baron did for us last night with all those assists and hardly any shots. If Baron wants to play like that most every night then great because that's the type of PG we need with Al, Eric, and Zach on the floor. We can't have 4 or 5 shooter out there looking for their own. Baron passing first makes sense as he's the PG.

I'd imagine this is how Rubio would play. Except he always wants to pass, it's how he thinks. I'm not saying we draft him to replace BD right away but he could be something special and a nice addition to have when BD packs it in...or we ship him out.

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Quit thinking about anyone else. Stay positive we get the 1st pick to take Blake Griffin. Then we can trade Kaman for some value around the league or maybe another pick to get some depth at your precious PG position.

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^^^gonna be really hard to get the #1 pick....unless we purposely lose all our game. Wizards or Kings will probably get the number 1 pick. I also don't see us losing as much as we were before with everyone back now.

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Chicago had what like a 1% chance to win it, and last year OKC I believe had the best shot to get the #1 pick.

Facts are it doesnt matter how crappy we do its just the luck of the lotto balls. Right now we are picking 3rd, I'd love to see us get the #1 pick. I don't really like anyone in the draft outside of Griffin, Jennings or Curry. Rubio would be great if we got him in the 2nd round, thats about as high as I would draft him.

We either get Griffin or pray to god there are a few Rajon Rondo's in this draft and we are one of the lucky teams to get a player like that in a weak draft like this one.

Griffin is more valuable to this team than Rubio ever will be. Griffin = flexibility to trade CAmby or Kaman for added depth to the much needed bench.

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anyone else watching ncaa games today? ive been watching a lot but missed some of the earlier games today.

right now i am watching both oklahoma to see griffin and also watching VCU to see the PG eric maynor. i think maynor is going to be a nice PG in the league one day so i am seeing how he does against a tough UCLA defense.

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Griffin or bust baby! I'm a big collector for Sports Cards ( yeah its childish but w/e ). Mainly vintage stuff but I have a lot of Red Wings and Clippers cards ( more Clippers than anything, a few thousand ) and I plan on buying a few cases of stuff if we get Griffin #1 to put away ( hoping he pans out to be awesome of course ). If we get the #1 pick I'll prob have a custom Clippers jersey with his name and number on it before we even draft haha.

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Also lol I just noticed right now Griffin is 10-10 with 22 points and 11 boards. Thats a helluva game for a person in the NBA let alone a college game that is still on going.

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Draft a pg so we can get rid of BD. I'm tired fo his doughnut eatin, autograph refusing, lard @$$. Sorry but thats how I feel.

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wow did u guys see how blake griffin just got flipped? wow lol

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Griffin 11-12 28 points 13 boards.

His 28 points are more than Rubio gets in what like 10 games or more?

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lol yeah, but i hope he didnt get injured from that flip lol

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trade #3 (lets say) for minny's #6 and #18. Then draft earl clark + maynor or jennings + terrence williams, or jennings + demar derozan.

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i like that idea. i think we could also trade our pick to the thunder. say our 3 for their 4 or 5 and then their 25 or 26th pick. i think i would rather have the #6 and #18 though.

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Mmmm Harden and Gordon imagine all those points. I bet we can get lucky with Eric Maynor in the 2nd round like we did with DeAndre Jordan. But we'll probably put him in the d-league.

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something about harden makes me really want to draft him. his scoring ability is really smooth, similar to the way paul pierce does it. but i dont see us drafting him since he is a SG and undersized like EG is.

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Griffin or bust.

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I really like jeff adrien on UCONN. he is a little undersized for the PF position, but has a mid range jumper and the strength and hustle to make a difference for a second unit in the NBA. he reminds me a little bit of haslem on the heat. i wouldnt mind drafting him in the second round or doing what we did with mike taylor if he falls later in the draft- just trade some cash or future draft pick considerations to pick the guy up.

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Draft Lottery is May 19 by the way. I checked NBA.com for the official date and they had it.

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No mention of Tyreke Evans yet? Add me to the Derozan list. I doubt the Clippers will get a top 3 pick. I think we'll draft somewhere between 5-7.

I like Harden too, but I don't think I can tolerate a backcourt of Harden and Baron. They both look out of shape, aren't great defenders, and play without the kind of intensity I think the Clippers need. I don't have a clue what the team is going to do in the offseason or what the roster is going to look like next season, but the team definitely needs a smart player that can play d, and someone that can step in immediately and be a positive impact.

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Got to see Evans today for the first time. I like his game. Not sure if I would take him in the top 5 though. Yeah I am really skeptical of Harden's defensive abilities too. Arizona State plays zone, so its hard to tell how good of an 1 on 1 defender Harden is, but he certainly doesnt look like he has the speed/quickness to defend other 2-guards in the NBA.

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I like Ty Lawson. One of the more pure PG's in the draft, probably selected somewhere in the mid-first round. He had a great game today too after missing a few. 7-13 FG, 2-33P, 7-7 FT, and 6 assists.

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Didn't we swap 2nd round picks with Denver (in the Camby deal)? So our 2nd round will be pretty late.

If we finish with the 3rd worst record, the worst we would draft would be 6th (which would be statistically VERY unlikely).

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ether wrote:
checkdafool10 wrote:
Mmmm Harden and Gordon imagine all those points. I bet we can get lucky with Eric Maynor in the 2nd round like we did with DeAndre Jordan. But we'll probably put him in the d-league.

Didn't we swap 2nd round picks with Denver (in the Camby deal)? So our 2nd round will be pretty late.

If we finish with the 3rd worst record, the worst we would draft would be 6th (which would be statistically VERY unlikely).

Actually, we have the 61st pick in the draft because of the mike taylor from portland deal.

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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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Mmmm Harden and Gordon imagine all those points. I bet we can get lucky with Eric Maynor in the 2nd round like we did with DeAndre Jordan. But we'll probably put him in the d-league.

Didn't we swap 2nd round picks with Denver (in the Camby deal)? So our 2nd round will be pretty late.

If we finish with the 3rd worst record, the worst we would draft would be 6th (which would be statistically VERY unlikely).

Actually, we have the 61st pick in the draft because of the mike taylor from portland deal.

arent there only 60 picks in the draft?

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sunnydrew3 wrote:
Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
ether wrote:
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Mmmm Harden and Gordon imagine all those points. I bet we can get lucky with Eric Maynor in the 2nd round like we did with DeAndre Jordan. But we'll probably put him in the d-league.

Didn't we swap 2nd round picks with Denver (in the Camby deal)? So our 2nd round will be pretty late.

If we finish with the 3rd worst record, the worst we would draft would be 6th (which would be statistically VERY unlikely).

Actually, we have the 61st pick in the draft because of the mike taylor from portland deal.

arent there only 60 picks in the draft?

that was my point. we don't have a 2nd round pick and they thought we would have a later one bcuz of the denver trade. the denver trade is in 2010 tho i think.

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when are we getting minestoas first pick!!! i want it already lol

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most likely 2012. here are some 2012 nba draft prospects.

tony wroten - compared to james harden

michael gilchrist

LaQuinton Ross

Austin Rivers - son of doc rivers

Mike Shaw

Marquis teague - yes, jeff's brother.

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Just to fan the flames...

Blake Griffin 14-20 for 33 pts. 8 off rebs, 17 total.

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yeah he had a very nice game today. those numbers are great.

i really hope Oklahoma and UNC meet up in the elite 8, not saying Tyler Hansbouroh is a the same caliber player as Griffin, but it would be a fun matchup to watch.

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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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when are we getting minestoas first pick!!! i want it already lol

most likely 2012. here are some 2012 nba draft prospects.

tony wroten - compared to james harden

michael gilchrist

LaQuinton Ross

Austin Rivers - son of doc rivers

Mike Shaw

Marquis teague - yes, jeff's brother.

this is gonna be even weaker than this years lol! but i guess we'll wait to see who teh freshmen are? and by 2012, the t wolves are gonna be a playoff team. wow this isnt fair lol

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check out griffins poster, its at the near end of the video, just watch it all.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/video/college-b ... igan-48081

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Griffin = G.O.A.T.

Rubio stinks people seriously.

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He's already really strong and muscular. When he gets to the NBA and is working out all the time he's gonna be huge.

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I know, you tell us everyday. Guess it makes it more true the more times you say "Rubio sucks"

I got it man, we all do, you don't like Rubio. Well here's a fun fact, the chance of us getting the #1 pick will be anywhere between 7.6% and 15.6%. Not very good odds. Maybe start looking at players that are more likely to be selected at the 3-5 spots, (not Griffin) If we get the number 1 pick, it's a no brainer to pick Griffin. It's never been an easier number 1 pick.

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Rockford: SHUT THE **** UP!!!!!!!! We all get the fact that you think Rubio sucks and Griffin is the best. Half of your posts on this forum are about that. Your sig is Griffin or bust. You don't need to keep repeating yourself every 5 minutes. You have not once stated any real facts showing why rubio will be a bust, all you say is rubio sucks, rubio sucks. Unless you can back it up, don't say it a million times.

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clipps04 wrote:
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Rubio stinks people seriously.

I know, you tell us everyday. Guess it makes it more true the more times you say "Rubio sucks"

I got it man, we all do, you don't like Rubio. Well here's a fun fact, the chance of us getting the #1 pick will be anywhere between 7.6% and 15.6%. Not very good odds. Maybe start looking at players that are more likely to be selected at the 3-5 spots, (not Griffin) If we get the number 1 pick, it's a no brainer to pick Griffin. It's never been an easier number 1 pick.

Thank you clipps04. There are other place to talk about Blake Griffin constantly. This Draft thread started with plenty of Blake Griffin talk, and I think everyone who follows basketball knows Griffin is a lock at the #1 spot.

I appreciate you saying that we should be evaluating other people who could go anywhere between 3-5.

Speaking of Rubio, I watched some clips of him last night. It was one of my first times watching him. The good things i saw- the guy i quick, plays smart, can get to the basket pretty easily, and I've heard that he has a basketball IQ that is pretty high. The thing that worries me about Rubio- this would be the bad- is that play was not very physical in the game i was watching. I would be worried having Rubio go up against bigger guards- I feel like he needs to work on his strength before he can guard and play in physical NBA games.

Also- a guy who went up a few spots in my book after watching some highlights this weekend is Brandon Jennings. The guy is a lefty with okay range and consistency on his jumpshot, and also can pass pretty well. Not sure how he ranks as a defender, but he has a TON of athleticism. Some of the dunks he can pull off for a PG are awesome. I would highly consider taking him if given the chance with the pick we end up with and Rubio isnt in this draft.

Right now, for PG's, i still have to give Rubio a small nod over Jennings and anyone else as I think a true playmaker would be great for this team.

One other draft note- Earl Clark would be a good selection in my opinion if our pick slipped anywhere from 6 to 8. His size for a SF is great, and if he can improve his jumpshot to NBA 3-point range, he would be a nice scorer to have off the bench.

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Yeah Rubio isn't a powerful guard. He's more of a finesse type of PG where Baron is all power. At least he's not under 6 foot lol. I think he's 6-3 which is good. Yeah his IQ is supposedly really high. Closest type of PG comparison has been Nash. If you guys were watching todays game I think he plays a bit like Calderon except without the great jump shooting, though Calderon had to work on that too.

Earl Clark looked pretty good as well and he probably raised his stock a bit with his solid play. Ty Lawson also seems to be pretty good he's just really small lol. Tyler Hansbrough (same team as Lawson, North Carolina) also seems pretty good too. Could be a nice backup for Thornton.

Anyone know anything on Jordan Hill?

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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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when are we getting minestoas first pick!!! i want it already lol

most likely 2012.

Actually, Minny's pick is unprotected in 2011. So it'll either be 2010 or 2011.

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