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I've been trying to watch as much Arizona as I can in the tournament. Hill has hops, can rebound very well, and hustles a lot. He is also pretty good on the defensive end. Offensively he crashes the boards well, but is still in the process of developing a good variety of post moves.

and not to get to worked up about brandon jennings, but if you guys have time, please watch some videos of him on youtube. if anything, you will get some entertainment out of watching the videos. the guy is flat out fun to watch.

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Ideally I hope that we trade our pick and Chris Kaman for a proven low post defender, otherwise, Earl Clark would be pretty sweet, especially since he could probably play 3 or 4.

Before I wanted DeRozan, but I'm beginning to think that he's gonna stay one more year in college, if he does he will definitely be a top 3 pick.

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Rubio stinks people seriously.

I know, you tell us everyday. Guess it makes it more true the more times you say "Rubio sucks"

I got it man, we all do, you don't like Rubio. Well here's a fun fact, the chance of us getting the #1 pick will be anywhere between 7.6% and 15.6%. Not very good odds. Maybe start looking at players that are more likely to be selected at the 3-5 spots, (not Griffin) If we get the number 1 pick, it's a no brainer to pick Griffin. It's never been an easier number 1 pick.

Thank you clipps04. There are other place to talk about Blake Griffin constantly. This Draft thread started with plenty of Blake Griffin talk, and I think everyone who follows basketball knows Griffin is a lock at the #1 spot.

I appreciate you saying that we should be evaluating other people who could go anywhere between 3-5.

Speaking of Rubio, I watched some clips of him last night. It was one of my first times watching him. The good things i saw- the guy i quick, plays smart, can get to the basket pretty easily, and I've heard that he has a basketball IQ that is pretty high. The thing that worries me about Rubio- this would be the bad- is that play was not very physical in the game i was watching. I would be worried having Rubio go up against bigger guards- I feel like he needs to work on his strength before he can guard and play in physical NBA games.

Also- a guy who went up a few spots in my book after watching some highlights this weekend is Brandon Jennings. The guy is a lefty with okay range and consistency on his jumpshot, and also can pass pretty well. Not sure how he ranks as a defender, but he has a TON of athleticism. Some of the dunks he can pull off for a PG are awesome. I would highly consider taking him if given the chance with the pick we end up with and Rubio isnt in this draft.

Right now, for PG's, i still have to give Rubio a small nod over Jennings and anyone else as I think a true playmaker would be great for this team.

One other draft note- Earl Clark would be a good selection in my opinion if our pick slipped anywhere from 6 to 8. His size for a SF is great, and if he can improve his jumpshot to NBA 3-point range, he would be a nice scorer to have off the bench.

the way things are going now though we might still get that number one pick!! I cross my fingers every day!! =) If we get the #1 pick we could move camby and pick/scrub=rd, and go after a more polished sf and let AT battle it out for starting rights.

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when are we getting minestoas first pick!!! i want it already lol

most likely 2012.

Actually, Minny's pick is unprotected in 2011. So it'll either be 2010 or 2011.

no 2012 - check nba draft . net

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Yeah but no matter how bad we do, you know Washington and Sacramento will always one up us (at losing). I hate the way we're playing but I'm betting those 2 teams finish 1, 2. I know we'll beat out the Thunder. They're actually playing pretty well now. Kinda depressing b/c that should of been us. We were supposed to turn it around lol. Sac is gonna lose tonight. That'll make them 15-55 which will move them ahead (or below) Washington for worst record.

Memphis is catching up to us (we're 1/2 a game ahead of them for a worst record) We need to lose more.....can't believe I'm saying that. i hate when we lose but at the same time we might as well.

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the way things are going now though we might still get that number one pick!! I cross my fingers every day!! =) If we get the #1 pick we could move camby and pick/scrub=rd, and go after a more polished sf and let AT battle it out for starting rights.

Yeah but no matter how bad we do, you know Washington and Sacramento will always one up us (at losing). I hate the way we're playing but I'm betting those 2 teams finish 1, 2. I know we'll beat out the Thunder. They're actually playing pretty well now. Kinda depressing b/c that should of been us. We were supposed to turn it around lol. Sac is gonna lose tonight. That'll make them 15-55 which will move them ahead (or below) Washington for worst record.

Memphis is catching up to us (we're 1/2 a game ahead of them for a worst record) We need to lose more.....can't believe I'm saying that. i hate when we lose but at the same time we might as well.

Yeah...everytime i think to myself that we need to lose more but then realize i want the team to win anyways, because i want some positives heading into next year. and then we go ahead and lose the game anyways, so it all works out. memphis is really bad, and so are washington and sacramento. im not sure if we can be as bad as them, but our remaining schedule is pretty tough, so it is possible that we lose just as much as them.

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Maybe we should draft Thabeet.

I know we already have a ton of big men, and Jordan Hill and Griffin are possibilities, so why not consider this guy?

He isnt the most exciting pick, but he would be a nice defensive presence, and we need some defensive help.

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I think I like Griffin because he can play the 4 and 5 but has the body of a 3. And we desperately need a back up SF, because Ricky doesn't seem to be the guy that we signed.

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Yeah Rubio isn't a powerful guard. He's more of a finesse type of PG where Baron is all power. At least he's not under 6 foot lol. I think he's 6-3 which is good. Yeah his IQ is supposedly really high. Closest type of PG comparison has been Nash. If you guys were watching todays game I think he plays a bit like Calderon except without the great jump shooting, though Calderon had to work on that too.

Earl Clark looked pretty good as well and he probably raised his stock a bit with his solid play. Ty Lawson also seems to be pretty good he's just really small lol. Tyler Hansbrough (same team as Lawson, North Carolina) also seems pretty good too. Could be a nice backup for Thornton.

Anyone know anything on Jordan Hill?

I've been trying to watch as much Arizona as I can in the tournament. Hill has hops, can rebound very well, and hustles a lot. He is also pretty good on the defensive end. Offensively he crashes the boards well, but is still in the process of developing a good variety of post moves.

and not to get to worked up about brandon jennings, but if you guys have time, please watch some videos of him on youtube. if anything, you will get some entertainment out of watching the videos. the guy is flat out fun to watch.

About BJ,

he is a chucker supposedly. He is shooting in the 30s. thats what we dont like now in BD so...

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bust. so no.

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my big board (without g. monroe)

  1. Griffin

  2. Rubio

  3. Harden

  4. Hill

  5. Jennings

  6. Clark

  7. Willie Waren

  8. Gerald henderson

  9. Derozan

  10. Maynor

  11. T-Will

And I don't know much about Craig Brackins so...

(for the clips so...)

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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
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Maybe we should draft Thabeet.

I know we already have a ton of big men, and Jordan Hill and Griffin are possibilities, so why not consider this guy?

He isnt the most exciting pick, but he would be a nice defensive presence, and we need some defensive help.

bust. so no.

i agree. the only reason he's good is cause he has a huge body, and thats why he is dominant in college. as soon as he comes to the NBa, everyone is gonna have a body like his, and hes gonna be nothing.

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yeah.....i actually said he would be a bust the other day.....i was just mad earlier when thinking about our struggles on the defensive end earlier today against the raptors. he is pretty bad on the offensive end, i just like the fact that he is lengthy and can block shots. he looks really injury prone to me too.

i like your "big board" i pretty much agree that all of those players should go where you have them ranked. i think thabeet gets drafted in the top 6 or 7 though, even though he might not have a high of value as the guys in your top 11.

i cant wait to see what pick we get though.

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my big board (without g. monroe)

  1. Griffin

  2. Rubio

  3. Harden

  4. Hill

  5. Jennings

  6. Clark

  7. Willie Waren

  8. Gerald henderson

  9. Derozan

  10. Maynor

  11. T-Will

And I don't know much about Craig Brackins so...

(for the clips so...)

yeah.....i actually said he would be a bust the other day.....i was just mad earlier when thinking about our struggles on the defensive end earlier today against the raptors. he is pretty bad on the offensive end, i just like the fact that he is lengthy and can block shots. he looks really injury prone to me too.

i like your "big board" i pretty much agree that all of those players should go where you have them ranked. i think thabeet gets drafted in the top 6 or 7 though, even though he might not have a high of value as the guys in your top 11.

i cant wait to see what pick we get though.

60 days till the lottery!!!!!!!!!!!

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pg - calderon/rubio

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haha. In fact, we could adquire the whole Spain national team...I think they would be much more competitive than those Clippers

On the other hand, Rubio had a dissapointing game last weekend. He had to leave the game injured at halftime after playing an awful game...His team was facing one of the best teams in Europe and they lost by 35.

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our pick plus another player with a big contract in order to land a proven player who could help us immediatelly

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haha. In fact, we could adquire the whole Spain national team...I think they would be much more competitive than those Clippers

On the other hand, Rubio had a dissapointing game last weekend. He had to leave the game injured at halftime after playing an awful game...His team was facing one of the best teams in Europe and they lost by 35.

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our pick plus another player with a big contract in order to land a proven player who could help us immediatelly

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Miquel wrote:
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haha. In fact, we could adquire the whole Spain national team...I think they would be much more competitive than those Clippers

On the other hand, Rubio had a dissapointing game last weekend. He had to leave the game injured at halftime after playing an awful game...His team was facing one of the best teams in Europe and they lost by 35.

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our pick plus another player with a big contract in order to land a proven player who could help us immediatelly

But before that he had some solid games. Especially against Real Madrid. For being labeled a poor shooter his percentages aren't that bad, FG:41% 3P:45%. He's averaging just under 6 assists (5.9) and 2 steals per game. All of this only playing an average of 20 minutes....not too bad. Still gotta see how he finishes out the season. Also do the European players have to go through training camps? Cause then we'd be able to hear how he handled himself against some bigger guards.

No one (at least the top 5 picks) really seem like a sure thing except Griffin, at least at this point.

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clipps04 wrote:
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haha. In fact, we could adquire the whole Spain national team...I think they would be much more competitive than those Clippers

If we don't get the first pick I would trade our pick plus another player with a big contract in order to land a proven player who could help us immediatelly

But before that he had some solid games. Especially against Real Madrid. For being labeled a poor shooter his percentages aren't that bad, FG:41% 3P:45%. He's averaging just under 6 assists (5.9) and 2 steals per game. All of this only playing an average of 20 minutes....not too bad. Still gotta see how he finishes out the season. Also do the European players have to go through training camps? Cause then we'd be able to hear how he handled himself against some bigger guards.

No one (at least the top 5 picks) really seem like a sure thing except Griffin, at least at this point.

About the training camps I'm not sure but I guess that yes, they have to go to training camps. When it is said that Ricky hasn't got a good shot is because his shooting mechanic is slow (similar to Jason Kidd) and it causes him problems when he has to create his own shot. Obviously if he's alone he'll score but it's not too often.

Ricky's strong assets are his IQ basketball, that he has developed since he made his debut in ACB when he was a child, and specially his defense: he has long arms and quick hands and it allows him to steal a lot of balls. Offensivelly he reads the game really well and is able to put the ball where it is required in every situation, specially feeding the big men with easy baskets.

Another interesting names in ACB that I consider that they are NBA ready are:

Tiago Splitter :drafted by the Spurs some seasons ago. Strong center with good moves, serious and very tough. He'll be the next TAU product to wear an NBA jersey after: Calderon, Nocioni, Oberto, Scola...

Fran Vazquez :yes, the guy who was drafted by the Magic at the 11th position I think, and afterwards he decided to continue his career in Spain. He's playing really well in Barcelona. Very athletic, long arms...his only lack could be his head. It doesn't seem a very intelligent person and it could be tough for him to adjust to another country, with a different language

Mirza Teletovic :a TAU product too. A power forward with a great shot beyond the arc. He's tremendous from the 3 point line and is very athletic too. He could be a much better version than other PFs that are used to shoot from the long distance like Matt Bonner or even Tim Thomas. He has some problems to be consistent on his game but he's very interesting...I think he's already drafted as well

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Yes they go through training camps. Three hours in the morning and three in the afternoon. They have a special on Real Sports with Brandon Jennings, it's shows his college scores wasn't high enough to go to college and that was the first year Stern said no more high schoolers, so he heard a guy on the radio bashing the NBA about the rule change and how it's unconstitutional and his new thing is sending players overseas. Jennings said he thinks it's harder than playing college ball because your playing against grown men.

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We'll probably get either the no.2 or 3 pick. Harden has superstar guard written all over him. Lets not be like Portland and draft the one with the skillz. Oden is a disappointment and i can't say Durant is so good because he is the star of the Thunders. Go for the TALENT!!!

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Oden was a mistake but Durant is a great player and will be one of the new faces of NBA in a few years. The dude is the top 4 scorer in the league this season (his second year). Doesn't matter what team he plays for he still goes against all the other elite teams and get his points.

Harden has had a terrible tournament. Going 1-8 against temple and 2-10 against Syracuse. He's a bit slow and seems a bit out of shape. We already have Gordon who's a much better player (both offensively and defensively).

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I wouldn't get Harden, we would be undersized at the 2 guard position he and Gordon are both like 6'3. We need a 2 guard and a 3.

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I think Oden is still a project. He's raw and he'll get better with more experience. He has to learn to get advantage of his tremendous body. IMO it's a matter of time. Obviously Durant is more talented but I'd wait some time before making too harsh statements on Oden.

And yes, I've never seen Harden playing but obviously we don't need another SG having Gordon

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I was just saying Oden was a mistake because he keeps getting hurt. The talent is there but he can't stay healthy. He has the Sam Bowie curse lol (Blazers old center, played only about 60 games the next four seasons after he rookie season...or something like that) The guy looks 40 and kinda plays like it at times.

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I think the reason portland went with oden is because they felt he fit in better with the roster they had at the time. they already had a star in roy, and i think they felt that the didnt need another "star" type of player to come in. drafting oden meant they were bringing in a guy who would compliment the team they had in place.

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Nobody questioned the Oden pick. Nobody knew he would turn into Mr. Glass. He was a better fit too, he was all they needed. I just looked at the ESPN prospects and they have Rubio going to the Clippers with the second pick. He'll have to grow on me I know we better not pass up Blake Griffin if he's on the board.

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No I know, completely agree with you both Sunny and Derty that Oden was the right choice. I was just saying he hasn't quite panned out. An unpredictable situation I know. We didn't know he'd be riddled with injuries like this.

Don't think there's any question you take Griffin first, even if you had no PG's. He's the most well rounded and reliable player to make it big in the NBA. Everyone else seems has some hazy aspects to their game.

Yeah Rubio is ranked pretty high around all draft boards. Not sure if you guys have seen this site, http://dcprosportsreport.com/mockdraftdatabase/nba.html it gives the averages of like 100 sites, though only about 15-20 are updated daily or weekly. So far the average mock has

1st: Grffin (95%)

2nd: Ricky Rubio (32%)

3rdL James Harden (26%)

4th: Jordan Hill (32%)

5th: Hasheem Thabeet (26%)

As you can see it pretty much up for grabs after the first pick lol. Most NBA coaches, GM's. exectuatives, etc. will say draft by talent but those guys after 1 seem to all be in the same cateogry talent wise (all with positives and negatives to their game) so it would seem some would choose to draft to their needs.

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Its like putting Michael Redd next to Ray Allen.

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WOW. A couple of them have Rubio going first. Maybe 5 or 6 years ago when it was a bunch of drafts coming from outside the country. It says he's gonna enter the draft so he would have to be a top 5 to be able to pay off his team in Spain.

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Everyone talks about Griffin and Ricky Rubio as future star players but have you ever wondered they also could turn out like flops?

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checkdafool10 wrote:
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I think Oden is still a project. He's raw and he'll get better with more experience. He has to learn to get advantage of his tremendous body. IMO it's a matter of time. Obviously Durant is more talented but I'd wait some time before making too harsh statements on Oden.

And yes, I've never seen Harden playing but obviously we don't need another SG having Gordon

Its like putting Michael Redd next to Ray Allen.

Didn't the Bucks...

or was that your point? If so, well played.

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thabeet is all blocking and defense with no offensive game. (see deandre jordan).

besides, we all thought that with kaman and camby we'd have one of the best interior defenses in the league. it hasnt worked out that way. thabeet = thaBUST.

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hahaha love it!!!

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I questioned the Oden pick. I knew he would get injured all the time, he had problems in college. The guy wasn't that great offensively and Durant outrebounded him in college. I mean come on dude, you can't even out rebound a SF and you are supposed to be the best C in college basketball?

I had Oden not even in my top 10 in that draft.

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"hahaha love it!!!"

I don't. Trading EJ = NO!

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People really need to get on board with getting the #1 pick. I am telling you it gives us way more options.

Griffin can start at PF next season, or play 6th man. We can trade Kaman or Camby ( hpefully not Camby ) for some pretty good bench help, which is something we all know, we need. Taylor, Jordan and Novak are turning into solid producers but can they really be the big 3 off the bench in the future?

We could even get another 1st rounder perhaps straight up to a team that picks in the teens or the twenties.

Kaman is a terrific player when healthy and motivated. However he is our best trade asset I feel right now that could bring in what we need. I'd rather not keep him on the team if hes going to be injured or just a bum for the rest of his contract with us when he can go somewhere else, possibly remain healthy and have a great career elsewhere.

Think of Gordon, Thornton, Griffin on our team as our main 3. Thornton can be our Maggette type player, only a bit better shooter perhaps, Griffin can be our potential 20/10 guy and Gordon will be our Redd/Kobe type player ( maybe not as high scoring ) but our main go to guy. And Baron is being paid way too much to be benched over RUbio who isnt proven at all.

With Taylor and Jordan ( esp Jordan ) progressing Taylor could make a decent backup PG within a year or two. Jordan can be our future Camby type player and him and Griffin can gobble up all the rebounds we would ever need, Jordan would make up for Griffin's so-so defensive abilities, but who knows maybe he can get a steal a game + 1.5 blocks or higher we dont know yet.

If he turns out to be a bust I'd feel more comfortable with saying Griffin was a bust than Rubio or a diff PG we may draft. Obviously if we took Rubio we'd be molding him into our PG of the future, what happens if we get a bust there? We'd be evem slimmer at the PG position. Baron is a fine fit for the next few seasons where we really dont need to worry about that position. We have plenty of big men to afford to have a bust there. And lets face it the worst that could happen is he busts, is that something new in Clipperland?

I also think we should bring back Paul Davis. He can make good use of 8-12 minutes a game and was progressing nicely this season. He could be a 4-6th option off the bench.

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or maybe we traded Camby, Eric took 23(the number he had before Camby came to the team) and there you have it, Rubio with 10.

He just didn't bother to photoshop in a number that's available on the team.

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People really need to get on board with getting the #1 pick. I am telling you it gives us way more options.

Come on man everyone here, EVERYONE, wants that number one pick. You have everyone on board with wanting that pick. But the more times we say "We need to get the #1 pick" or "we need Griffin and f**k everyone else" it doesn't make our chances of getting the pick any better. We're not the favorite to finish the season with the worst record nor are the odds great that we will.

Anyone who gets the #1 pick is selecting Griffin. End of story, so whats there to talk about? We mention other players as they're likely to be selected anywhere from 3-5 which is where we're likely to land.

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Griffin can start at PF next season, or play 6th man. We can trade Kaman or Camby ( hpefully not Camby ) for some pretty good bench help, which is something we all know, we need. Taylor, Jordan and Novak are turning into solid producers but can they really be the big 3 off the bench in the future?

We could even get another 1st rounder perhaps straight up to a team that picks in the teens or the twenties.

Kaman is a terrific player when healthy and motivated. However he is our best trade asset I feel right now that could bring in what we need. I'd rather not keep him on the team if hes going to be injured or just a bum for the rest of his contract with us when he can go somewhere else, possibly remain healthy and have a great career elsewhere.

Think of Gordon, Thornton, Griffin on our team as our main 3. Thornton can be our Maggette type player, only a bit better shooter perhaps, Griffin can be our potential 20/10 guy and Gordon will be our Redd/Kobe type player ( maybe not as high scoring ) but our main go to guy.

Great points, and I'm sure if we got Griffin, Camby or Chris wouldn't make it very far into the season but again that all requires the number 1 pick. Which we all want by the way Wink

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And Baron is being paid way too much to be benched over RUbio who isnt proven at all.

We were looking to trade Baron, and pretty hard mind you. Harder than any other player on this team. Picking up Rubio would in turn mean the departure of Baron whether that meant before the season started (pretty hard to do) or before the trade deadline (more likely as teams know what then need to compete in the playoff's)

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If he turns out to be a bust I'd feel more comfortable with saying Griffin was a bust than Rubio or a diff PG we may draft. Obviously if we took Rubio we'd be molding him into our PG of the future, what happens if we get a bust there? We'd be evem slimmer at the PG position. Baron is a fine fit for the next few seasons where we really dont need to worry about that position. We have plenty of big men to afford to have a bust there. And lets face it the worst that could happen is he busts, is that something new in Clipperland?

I agree, again I think we all do. We'd all take chances on Griffin than any other player and why not? He has highest guarantee of being a great player. Everyone else is too hard to read. And like you said, we'd be taking Rubio to mold into our future PG, which at one point seemed Baron would not be. And that's what it will come down to if they like Rubio and feel Baron isn't working out. But there's plenty of other guys to be had beside Rubio Smile

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You, me, and Ekker Smile

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clipps04 wrote:
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I don't. Trading EJ = NO!

or maybe we traded Camby, Eric took 23(the number he had before Camby came to the team) and there you have it, Rubio with 10.

He just didn't bother to photoshop in a number that's available on the team.

lol.

i just brainstormed white players with somewhat similar body frames. decided on frodo (dan dickau). didnt bother with the number.

and for the record, EJ was so happy rubio was picked he GAVE him number 10.

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Yaroslavs#1Fan wrote:
"hahaha love it!!!"

I don't. Trading EJ = NO!

or maybe we traded Camby, Eric took 23(the number he had before Camby came to the team) and there you have it, Rubio with 10.

He just didn't bother to photoshop in a number that's available on the team.

lol.

i just brainstormed white players with somewhat similar body frames. decided on frodo (dan dickau). didnt bother with the number.

and for the record, EJ was so happy rubio was picked he GAVE him number 10.

hahaha I forgot Dickau was #10. I like you're scenario better lol.

Rockford
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Its not just about being realistic its also about being optimistic. I understand we were trying to trade Baron but apparently we were trying to move about everybody except Gordon.

Its a good thing we didnt move anyone because it was about to turn into a firesale.

Baron may not be the PG we need right now but what if Dunleavy is gone and we bring in a different coach, maybe things will be a bit better.

Derty_Bert
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I think we should get a SF and bring Thornton off the bench. Maggette is better than Al and Dum Dum was bringing him off the bench so why would he depend on a player that's not as good to start. Does Dejuan Blairs' game remind you guys of EB. He plays just like him almost like EB mentored him.

Rockford
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I say trade Kaman to a team that needs a C for another pick. Doesnt Minny have 2 1sts this year? Trade Kaman to Minny for another 1st rounder to take a SF to back up Al. This is of course after we drat Griffin 1st Very Happy

Maybe we could get Telfair from Minny as well to get a decent backup PG.

clipperstown
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so far, Sac is in first place, followed by washington, and then clippers and timberwolves are tied. damn we need minny to win some games, along with SAC town and WASH

Icecoldclipper
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The ironby in all this is amazing!!!! Didn't Phil Jackson not to long ago call the franchise out for just collecting young talent with picks and having no idea how to develop them. LMAO

Stamp it down now, if this team consistently breaks down as it currently does throughtout this season and your looking at a 5 game win improvement next season at best. Griffin or Rubio included.

Rockford
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It would have been awesome to see Olowakandi, ODom, Dooling, Q Rich and Miles all pan out.

Icecoldclipper
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Odom is doing well my favorite Clipp.

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What about Ty Lawson? What do u guys think of him? Im a UNC fan, so i might be biased, but I think he is a top 10 talent. He could be a poor mans CP3 imo.

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