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yeah the difference between rubio and korolev is that rubio proved that he can go against the NBA in the Olympics. because most of the time when foreign players come here, they just collapse mentally cant cant play because its like 1 billion times harder than the league they were in b4. but rubio has played against the best of the best, and we know that he has mental toughness and wont just be overwhelmed and melt under pressure when we draft him.

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Yeah I've preferred him over everyone else for a while now. I thought we were golden with Baron but obviously it hasn't quite panned out. No matter who's couching Rubio is the type of PG you'd want running your team. As DWP states, he's gotten the nod from Paul and Williams.

lol yeah Sunny if we could get Rubio and Griffin, I can't imagine us not being a guaranteed playoff seed next season lol (though I'm hoping this current roster, with the draft pick will get there). Still got a bit to go before draft day and neither Griffin nor Rubio have "officially" declared for the draft but at this point I'd take Rubio if given the option.

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I'd say draft one of the talented big men (Hopefully Griffin) then trade Kaman for a combo guard. Maybe like a Ben Gordon, Monta Ellis, Jamal Crawford, or Jason Terry, that way they can help out Baron and EG. Then sign a backup SF like Ariza. We'll have mad talent at every position.

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So I saw a little bit of Harden last night during the Pac-10 tourney. He was pretty impressive and has a lot more hops than I thought he had. I know we dont really need another undersized two-guard since we have EG, but if it came down to it I wouldnt mind drafting Harden to be his backup at all.

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Yeah if we're in the position to draft him and Griffin and Rubio are gone I'd imagine they'd pick him as he's the next best player on the board. Well either him or Thabeet or Hill. Those seem to be the current top 5 picks...I think

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What are peoples obsessions with Rubio honestly. If we don't get the #1 pick and we can't drop down like 7 slots to take Curry or Jennings then trade the pick for cash or a player seriously. Rubio won't amount to much at all and he may not even be eligible for drafting this year.

Get off Rubio seriously. This draft is pretty much all about Blake Griffin, everybody else isn't worth paying.

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I dont know a whole lot about rubio, but the stuff i do know could be great for this team when the time comes.

he loves to pass and has a high basketball IQ which is something we need from our PG.

he also is young, but has lots of good experience. he played okay against Team USA this summer and a lot of PG's (D-Will and CP3) have said good things about the guys game.

Griffin is definitely the prize this year. But Rubio is not that bad of an option for a team that needs a guy who loves to pass and doesnt need his own shots to be happy.

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What are peoples obsessions with Rubio honestly. If we don't get the #1 pick and we can't drop down like 7 slots to take Curry or Jennings then trade the pick for cash or a player seriously. Rubio won't amount to much at all and he may not even be eligible for drafting this year.

Get off Rubio seriously. This draft is pretty much all about Blake Griffin, everybody else isn't worth paying.

I dont know a whole lot about rubio, but the stuff i do know could be great for this team when the time comes.

he loves to pass and has a high basketball IQ which is something we need from our PG.

he also is young, but has lots of good experience. he played okay against Team USA this summer and a lot of PG's (D-Will and CP3) have said good things about the guys game.

Griffin is definitely the prize this year. But Rubio is not that bad of an option for a team that needs a guy who loves to pass and doesnt need his own shots to be happy.

Why on gods green earth didn't we do whatever it took just to trade for JOSE CALDERON. He would have been perfect here. He has a high shooting % and is a pass first point guard.

Rubio to me seems like he will be a waste of money. Seriously if we dont get the 1st pick, or trade down to the 10-14th pick I say we trade out of the 1st round all together for a future 1st from someone.

The draft is too weak to not get the 1st pick. And to take Rubio in the top 5 would be a waste of paying a player who won't see much court time.

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I don't think we had the chance to trade for Calerdon....I don't think anyone did. They shipped our Ford because they wanted Calderon be the their PG of the future and lead their team. Many of us would love to get him but they wouldn't trade him for Baron lol.

As for Rubio, we're all entitled to our opinions. But don't let the Korolev signing cloud your perspective of European players. Look at all the Spanish players in the NBA (Rubio from Spain) not to mention all the other players from Europe. He played in the Olympics which is a big deal and a huge stage (best of the best in the World) I don't know why you'd rather trade down to have Jennings or Curry over Rubio. Rubio owned him (Jennings) when they met, with more or less one hand mind you (he was hurt), and Jennings is rated higher than Curry. Jennings decided to skip college and play for a Euro team so what makes him any different than Rubio playing in Europe? Because he's from the US?

Some quotes from Team USA players on Rubio.

Jason Kidd: "The sky is the limit for him"

Carmelo Anthony: "Ricky is the most fascinating story of the Olympics"

Kobe Bryant: "He's played awesome, he single hand changed the course of some games"

Chris Paul: "Ricky is unbelievable".

And he's only gotten better since they all met.

Again we are entitled to our opinions but I can't see any PG in this draft better than Rubio.

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Nice job digging up the quotes from current NBA stars.

By the way, I think another thread touched on this, but when will we find out whether or not Rubio is declaring for the draft? THere is a deadline I think to declare right?

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Last year the deadline was April 27. The year before it was the 29th. So going by those dates it looks like it's the last Sunday of April. So I guess this year it will be April 26.

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I just brought up Korolev and that Tshikizitis ( spelling ) guy that Denver drafted as examples. Look at Bargnani. He was taken 1st overall and still isn't doing much of anything outside of hitting the 3 ball or having a great play here and there. But we can look at all guys that get his minutes in the NBA and probably come up with great clips.

I just really don't think its worth taking Rubio. Euro players generally take awhile to reach max potential. Al is 25. If we keep him and say it takes Rubio 4 years to become efficient Al will be near 30 years old. Gordon, Jordan and possibly Taylor too will still be young but I am tired of getting players for the future that will need time to develop. Jordan is an exception because we have 3 bigs that all do different things. Kaman works both offense and defense, Zach is mainly offense and Camby is mainly defense.

I am just not sold on getting more work in progress type players. And a lot of Clippers fans are talking about starting him over Baron which is ridiculous. Sterling really would want to put BD on the bench making 14 mill a year to start some guy from Spain that may not put up numbers better than 4 assists 10 points and a steal his rookie year?

We may not have had a chance to get Calderon when the talks were heating up but I know 2 years ago we had a potential trade to get him with Maggette and we didnt do it or the talks went null on both sides.

I would move down in the draft if I didnt end up with the top pick. I'd rather have Curry or Jennings on my team + someone else for another team to move up and take Rubio.

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^^ I could understand that, just something about Rubio that draws me in personally. On a side note Bargnani is having a pretty good year, but yeah it took him 2 seasons (this is his 3rd). But he's not that true center though. I'll admit most Euro C/PF are shooters (like a 6'9"-7' in a SG/SF package), not powerful forces like the American bred one's lol.

Anyways lol I just feel Rubio could be something special. I guess we'll find out next season (if he declares)

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Honestly I think we have mostly all the pieces we need right now, we just need a new coach. Maybe the one thing we could use is an athletic, long slasher that plays great perimeter defense. Really we don't have a slasher, it's supposed to be Thornton but he's gradually become more of a face-up player from the outside. I'm thinking DeMar DeRozan would be perfect for us. He plays good D, he's a ridiculous jumper, plus he has the potential of being something phenomenal (he's drawn Kobe comparisons) down the line. If we go for Rubio, our team changes completely, it will be like a commitment that Baron will be traded and we are starting from square 1 again. Gordon, Thornton, and Rubio: That's awfully young!

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My dream draft day scenario

We get the 1st pick and take Griffin.

We then trade Kaman & another pick to move back into the lotto to take Jennings, Lawson or Curry

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^^^That would be awesome. Kinda rather trade Camby as I'd like to try and stay younger. I'm not convince Jordan can handle the starting center role in 2 years. Still plenty of time to trade Kaman if it came down to us needing/wanting to.

Just looked at Lawson's stats. Don't know much about him but damn is he shooting a high percentage from the field and 3. FG: 53% 3P: 46%. That's amazing for a guard and he's playing nearly 30 minutes a game.

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I think Lawson might be a better version of Felton but not 100% sure. Definitely good shooting stats, and I know he can pass the ball well too.

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Speaking of guards- Eric Maynor of VCU could be a mid first round guy worth taking if we had another first round pick, which we dont have right now. He went to VCU four years, and is pretty good. Had a huge game to knock out Duke a few years ago in the NCAA tourney.

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One other draft note for the night- I've been watching a lot of the NCAA tourneys, and Terrence Williams on Louisville has a similar build to Maggette, but was actually running a little point guard tonight. I would love to pick this guy up somewhere on draft night, he is a fun guy to watch.

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Haven't seen this guys but he's listed at 6'6 220 which is nearly what Corey is (weighs 225). I like his 5 assists per game.

I think someone mentioned this him already but I like Tyler Hansbrough as well. Wish we had a mid pick lol. Always nice having 2 first round picks.

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I like the idea of drafting griffith # 1 then trading kaman for a late top 10 pick, maybe picking up Derozan- great game against the bruins last night or maybe jrue holiday. depending who's available. The problem i have with rubio, he is so frail looking (injuries) and he's not performing as expected this year in europe which could cause him to enter the draft but not make the jump for another year. we really need better wings, Al is fine, but after him their is no one. novak no d, ricky no d. sign ariza if possible, but that is unlikely.

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there is a point guard on florida state- i think his last name is douglas. he is pretty good. i think he was one of the top defensive players in the ACC this year and has been coming up big for them each game so far in the ACC tourney.

also, if we get griffin, i think it makes more sense to trade camby for a mid first rounder. if we would be drafting 2 guys in the draft, it makes more sense to me to keep our young center in kaman, rather than trade him away.

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I think people need to get off kaman and realize its better to keep camby and trade Kaman.

Like I said before Camby can help mentor DeAndre for 1. 2 Cambys 8+ mill comes off the books in 2010 where we can use that to sign a quality free agent.

Kaman has had his injuries and at times has said negative things about the team. Hes yuoung and had a great year before getting shut down last year, however hes our BEST trade asset ( because we wont trade Gordon ) to get something of quality

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i really like earl clark on louisville too. the guy has got tons of length, a nice mid range jumpshot. he can also pass decently.

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I looked at Rubio's stats and they are not even that great. He's too risky for our high draft pick. I don't even think he starts in his league. Maybe I was looking at the wrong sites though.

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I've got a biased thought for this board, wanted to get some feedback. As I mentioned in a previous post, I live and breathe UConn basketball, so you will see where my bias comes from. Seems like there is some fear going back and forth about Rubio, but people still believe we need a PG coming out of this draft. So here's the thought:

I've watch A.J. Price grow up as a UConn basketball player. He went for a young, immature kid who threw away a season to try to score some extra cash, to the catalyst on the 2007 team, who was single handedly the most important player to any team in 2007 (don't believe me, watch the San Deigo tournament game. UConn was in control until Price blew out his ACL, as soon as that happened the game was over, no one could lead UConn). This year Price has come into his own, and I believe he could turn into a Chauncy Billups type PG in the NBA. He's got the ability to drop 30+ at any time. He's a pass first PG, but who knows when he needs to take over games. He would be a great 2nd round pick, who could learn and develop under Baron/new PG.

The one factor which really stand out to me about Price though. I've got more respect for Jim Calhoun as a coach who prepares kids for the NBA than any other NCAA coach. He's not a coach who compliments a player unless it is 100% deserved. Recently he has taken (first time I've heard this from him since Ben Gordon) to comparing A.J.'s ability to take over games to that of Ray Allen, Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon. That's a stamp of approval that you can't get from any other player in the country, and I believe Calhoun's sucess as a NBA developer is one that can be trusted.

I like this move for the Clippers for two reasons, 1) for those who are concerned that Rubio in the top 5 is to high, this could be the answer 2) it gives the Clippers the ability to get the BEST AVAILABLE player in the first round, filling a need in round 2.

All of this banks on the Price lasting that long, which might change after the tournament. I'm thinking you are going to see the stock of A.J. Price rise this year similar to the way another seniors did in 2006 because of the tourney, Brandon Roy.

Just some thoughts...

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If that price guy is available in the second round, sounds like a deal. As for the first round, I don't care who we get really as long as a good front court player comes out of it. I want Kaman and his injury prone, refuse-to-dunk attitude gone. Blake Griffin would be ideal but we can't count on that. I would just trade Kaman along with our pick for a proven low post player

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i honestly want to trade for another first round pick where we can select a decent guard- either price or eric maynor of VCU. both guys are passers first who can also score if needed, and both have the poise to be a solid NBA backup.

i really really hope we make a trade for a pick between 15 and 20. i would be willing to trade kaman to the Thunder for their first rounder if they would go for it, or even sign and trade jones for the mid first round pick i was talking about.

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What about Jordan Hill? Hardly know anything about him but he looks to be a top pick. Would he be Zach replaceable or not so much?

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I really like Hill's hustle, and he has good size. I've seen some nice offensive game from him too, but according to Mike Smith last night his game can get a bit "mechanical," which makes me think he has trouble adapting to a double team or whatever getting thrown at him. Hill is also a great rebounder.

I'd say as of now Griffin, Rubio and Harden are atop the class. The teams who pick 1-3 will get a really good player if all 3 of these guys declare.

I see Hill being right on the outside of this group. If the lottery doesnt go our way and we end up picking 4, 5, or 6, Hill is definitely a good guy to pick up.

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sunnydrew3 wrote:
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What about Jordan Hill? Hardly know anything about him but he looks to be a top pick. Would he be Zach replaceable or not so much?

I really like Hill's hustle, and he has good size. I've seen some nice offensive game from him too, but according to Mike Smith last night his game can get a bit "mechanical," which makes me think he has trouble adapting to a double team or whatever getting thrown at him. Hill is also a great rebounder.

I'd say as of now Griffin, Rubio and Harden are atop the class. The teams who pick 1-3 will get a really good player if all 3 of these guys declare.

I see Hill being right on the outside of this group. If the lottery doesnt go our way and we end up picking 4, 5, or 6, Hill is definitely a good guy to pick up.

Cool thanks for the info. It's tough to say how I want to finish out this season. The race for the top 3 is pretty tight. lol sounds funny saying that with no relation to the playoff's. In one scenario we finish the last 16 games strong but possibly end up picking 4-6 but the fans enjoy more wins, the players are in better spirits, and we prove that we're actually a good team if not for the injuries all season long. Or we win like 3 or 5 more games but most likely will be picking 1-3 but go through more arguing, more players in bad moods, and more chaos....though at this point, with so few games left, we might as well just stay on our current pace. Getting a top 3 pick is more valuable then the team building morale and making fans happy....at this point. Lord knows we could use Griffin, Rubio, Harden, Hill, Thabeet....whoever we want (for the most part)

There seems to be some nice players to be had in the middle of the first round. Would of liked to have had a mid first round pick. Also there seems to be no SF's in the top 10 picks this draft, which is probably the position we need more depth in.

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What about Jordan Hill? Hardly know anything about him but he looks to be a top pick. Would he be Zach replaceable or not so much?

I really like Hill's hustle, and he has good size. I've seen some nice offensive game from him too, but according to Mike Smith last night his game can get a bit "mechanical," which makes me think he has trouble adapting to a double team or whatever getting thrown at him. Hill is also a great rebounder.

I'd say as of now Griffin, Rubio and Harden are atop the class. The teams who pick 1-3 will get a really good player if all 3 of these guys declare.

I see Hill being right on the outside of this group. If the lottery doesnt go our way and we end up picking 4, 5, or 6, Hill is definitely a good guy to pick up.

Cool thanks for the info. It's tough to say how I want to finish out this season. The race for the top 3 is pretty tight. lol sounds funny saying that with no relation to the playoff's. In one scenario we finish the last 16 games strong but possibly end up picking 4-6 but the fans enjoy more wins, the players are in better spirits, and we prove that we're actually a good team if not for the injuries all season long. Or we win like 3 or 5 more games but most likely will be picking 1-3 but go through more arguing, more players in bad moods, and more chaos....though at this point, with so few games left, we might as well just stay on our current pace. Getting a top 3 pick is more valuable then the team building morale and making fans happy....at this point. Lord knows we could use Griffin, Rubio, Harden, Hill, Thabeet....whoever we want (for the most part)

There seems to be some nice players to be had in the middle of the first round. Would of liked to have had a mid first round pick. Also there seems to be no SF's in the top 10 picks this draft, which is probably the position we need more depth in.

yeah i think we just keep doing what we have been doing this season- the lottery will work itself out. i really want another mid first round pick. there are not a lot of SF's, but i think there are a lot of "tweeners" in this draft class. lots of guys who can play SG and SF, and lots of guys who can play SF/PF. I would take either of those types to back up Thornton and Gordon. Basically a younger and better Ricky Davis type of player, and we really need the guy have defensive skills.

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What about Jordan Hill? Hardly know anything about him but he looks to be a top pick. Would he be Zach replaceable or not so much?

I really like Hill's hustle, and he has good size. I've seen some nice offensive game from him too, but according to Mike Smith last night his game can get a bit "mechanical," which makes me think he has trouble adapting to a double team or whatever getting thrown at him. Hill is also a great rebounder.

I'd say as of now Griffin, Rubio and Harden are atop the class. The teams who pick 1-3 will get a really good player if all 3 of these guys declare.

I see Hill being right on the outside of this group. If the lottery doesnt go our way and we end up picking 4, 5, or 6, Hill is definitely a good guy to pick up.

Cool thanks for the info. It's tough to say how I want to finish out this season. The race for the top 3 is pretty tight. lol sounds funny saying that with no relation to the playoff's. In one scenario we finish the last 16 games strong but possibly end up picking 4-6 but the fans enjoy more wins, the players are in better spirits, and we prove that we're actually a good team if not for the injuries all season long. Or we win like 3 or 5 more games but most likely will be picking 1-3 but go through more arguing, more players in bad moods, and more chaos....though at this point, with so few games left, we might as well just stay on our current pace. Getting a top 3 pick is more valuable then the team building morale and making fans happy....at this point. Lord knows we could use Griffin, Rubio, Harden, Hill, Thabeet....whoever we want (for the most part)

There seems to be some nice players to be had in the middle of the first round. Would of liked to have had a mid first round pick. Also there seems to be no SF's in the top 10 picks this draft, which is probably the position we need more depth in.

yeah i think we just keep doing what we have been doing this season- the lottery will work itself out. i really want another mid first round pick. there are not a lot of SF's, but i think there are a lot of "tweeners" in this draft class. lots of guys who can play SG and SF, and lots of guys who can play SF/PF. I would take either of those types to back up Thornton and Gordon. Basically a younger and better Ricky Davis type of player, and we really need the guy have defensive skills.

Yeah we definitely need another defensive minded player. Eric has been great and of course Camby and Chris are solid. Fred and Collins aren't bad either by any means. Al has impressed me the last couple of games. He still gets beat every now and again but when going one on one (with no screens) he's able to keep his man in front of him. Even knocked the ball out of Carter's hand and made it go off him last night (in crunch time).

I guess in the second round we just take the best defensive guy.

So looking at what's gone down this season it seems:

-Acker - Wont be back

-Camby - Still be around but depending on how our season goes, could be traded.

-Collins - has one more year with us so will be back

-B. Davis - Was shopped around which makes me think we wouldn't hesitate to pick up Rubio or another PG.

-R. Davis - Wont opt out (most likely) so he'll be back, hopefully better

-Gordon - In long term plans, franchise player

-Jones - Has been solid for us and I'd imagine we'll try to bring him back unless we're in position to sign equivalent younger or better role players.

-Jordan - Still under contract and should be in longer term plans. Has definitely proved his worth considering he wasn't even supposed to see minutes this season

-Kaman - Thought he was in the long term plans but have heard he could be shopped around over summer. Doesn't seem like he's safe quite yet, especially if we get Thabeet (though he could be a mediocre player it seems....but he is listed at 7'3"....that's always nice lol)

-Novak - Should definitely be brought back (for the right price) Always nice having a reliable pure shooter on the team. Even better that he can hit shots in traffic, on the move, and under pressure (awesome shot last night!)

-Randolph - Here for 2 more seasons and is still fairly young (27). Seems like he'll remain here till the end of his contract.

-Skinner - Probably wont be back, epecially if we pick up Griffin, Hill, or Thabeet

-Taylor - Will be a solid back up PG and should be around long term. Can only see him getting better.

-Thornton - Has been great for us and has only gotten better (and more consistant) since the Sterling talk. Should be around long term as he and Gordon will be the corner stone of this team (and hopefully whatever top 3 player we pick this draft)

So we could very well end up having PF/C problems if we trade Kaman and/or we trade/lose Camby (note: he's already 34 and can't be relied to start or play 20+ minutes for another 3-4 years.....can he?) If we get Griffin he might be able to play some C though they seem to list these guys taller than they really are. He's still a bulky guy though and is listed at 252. Hill is also listed the same height as Griffin but like 30 pounds lighter. Thabeet is listed at 7'3" but only weights 265, not much heavier than Griffin. If we get anyone of these guys, along we DJ, we'll be set down low for a good while. We don't really have soilid back ups for Eric or Al. We'll most likely have to find a backup for Al in FA (or if Ricky plays better though he's old too) If we got Harden he'd be a huge back up for Eric but could become a problem as they'd be competing for a staring role in 2-3 years (Similar to Calderon and T.J. Ford)....Eric would probably win Wink. But we'd then have huge trade bait and could shop for whatever we needed.

It's hard to predict if our guys will stay or be traded. It's even harder to predict how players will turn out from the draft and if they'll develop as expected. But we could get either Griffin/Hill/Thabeet which could affect either Kaman/Zach/Camby's role on the team. We could get Rubio which could affect Baron or Taylor's role on the team. Or we could get Harden who could get traded (power struggle for starting role with Eric) or Eric could play PG but then what happens with BD and/or Taylor.....

Anyways you get it. Lots of questions with little answers as of today. We don't really know which way this organization will go and who will get affected by those decisions.

P.S. Sorry I wrote so much. Got carried away a bit lol

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Yeah as much as I would love Harden......EG is there. Also cant forget Brandon Jennings if we want to go the PG route in this draft. Jennings went overseas and didnt play much and didnt put up the best numbers, yet many scouts are still saying this guy is going to be a star. i know he is a lefty with hops and some range, but outside of that i am not sure what type of player he is.

i would be all for drafting thabeet as well, but the guy just looks like he is destined to be injury prone in the NBA. if im wrong though, he would be a nice force inside. i would actually like to see the thunder draft him, that way they get a player similar to what they traded for in chandler this year.

man all this draft talk makes me anxious for the draft lottery. that day cannot come soon enough.

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also, i dont want to try and turn this into a trade ideas thread by any means, but since it involves a draft pick......

i wonder if we wanted to draft a PG mid first round if we would consider trading baron for some bench/role players and a first round pick of a team. i could see that happening with camby as well if the right deal came along.

thats another thing- if we draft harden or another player that doesnt quite fit- we could trade it for another draft pick and other pieces. if the thunder want harden and we get him a spot before they do, we could swap picks but ALSO get another one of their several first rounders (i think they have 3 or so)

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^^^Yeah draft day can not come soon enough. Especially when we get an idea of what teams are looking for and what a possible outcome might be. The Thunder will definitely be looking to pick up Thabeet or maybe Harden. They will be set with either of those guys. They're gonna be a scary team man lol. Oklahoma must be happy with the way they're headed. But yeah some of those tall centers seem to be walking injuries. Thabeet could be cool but you never know.

Yeah Jennings seems to be climbing the charts. Still prefer Rubio (currently) but we still got a bit to go. There will be more info on both of them coming up soon. Especially the college guys with March Madness. Some players can either crack the top 5 or lose their spots. It'll be fun to see how these guys perform.

But yeah as you pointed out we have so many different ways to go. We looked to ship Baron out. We could trade him or Camby and get another pick and select Griffin/Hill/Rubio/Thabeet (whoever) and pick up Curry or Lawson with our other pick. I like your idea of beating out the Thunder (for a higher pick) trading ours for theirs so they get Harden (if they want) and getting another one of their later picks. I think they have a pick at 25 or 26.

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i think we are gonna draft a sf/ sg combo or a sf/ pf combo like griffin.

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Looks like the top 4 teams will be any combination of Memphis, Sacramento Washington, and us.

What do you think each team will be looking for?

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I think a SF/PF combo is our highest priority.

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^^^^ yah so i think griffin is our best choice

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i think both us as sacramento are in the same exact situation- already have a great SG, have some depth at PF and C, which means drafting griffin with the top pick or rubio or possibly another PG based on where the pick ends up. also, if we have the same record as the kings, i think we own the tiebreaker cuz they beat us in the season series. they need a few more wins to catch up to us and we would have a higher chance of winning the lottery than them!

memphis - like us and the kings, they are set at the SG with mayo, but would obviously love to sneak up and get griffin. most mock drafts ive seen have grizz taking jordan hill or a PG probably jennings

washington - i think they must get a PF or C. griffin, thabeet, hill or greg monroe will do. a good PF with jamison, butler, and a healthy arenas might be a deadly lineup for these guys in the east.

overall i think we might see the first 5 picks be picked based on skill rather than team need, and then trading being done accordingly.

i think the draft goes griffin, rubio (if he declares), harden, hill, thabeet, jennings

as you said though clipps04, a ton will change after the final four and as the draft lottery plays out and rubio decides if he wants to be in this draft or not.

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^^^ yeah but washington might just trade their pick cause the yare a crap load over the salary.

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yeah i heard that too.....but i couldnt figure out what you would trade a top 3 pick for if you cant take on any additional salary. wouldnt a guy on a rookie contract be perfect?

maybe they look to package the pick with someone for a better player.

kaman or camby for washingtons first rounder and a filler or two to make salaries match? would that mean the clips are going with a youth movement but with pretty good young players? just a thought.

at the end of this year we will also learn a lot about how bad teams are financially and what the new salary cap will be.

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^^^That'd be awesome! We could pick up Rubio and Griffin or Jennings and some other big.

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yeah the wizards are prolly trying to trade their pick and a bad contract for an expiring contract or something.

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We need to find a way to get another pick in this draft, preferably in the top 10. Since there are rumors of the Clippers looking to trade Kaman in the offseason, maybe we can trade him to the Timberwolves for their pick since they desperately need a center to move Jefferson to the 4. With that pick, we can target a guy like DeRozan or Jennings. Can you imagine coming away from this draft with Griffin/Rubio with our pick and DeRozan. I really love this kid's potential. He's athletic, plays great defense, and seems like an unselfish player. If any of you saw the Pac-10 tournament, you'll know what I'm talking about. He seems like the total package. I really think DeRozan will blow up in the NCAA tournament.

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Lets think about this........

kaman being traded to these teams with a likely top pick.....

washington- as i stated above- kaman for wizards pick and a bad contract or two

grizzlies- kaman for grizz pick and jaric and another contract

thunder- kaman for thunder pick and fillers

sacramento prob. doesnt need to trade for kaman. but they might want baron if they can afford it since they need a guard

lets face it- lots of options through trades, and depending on where our pick lands up, we might be able to draft the best available and ship that pick out for a two higher picks that get us what we need.

i can talk about the possibilities all night, but i guess it all comes back to the same thing when i finish typing something up......we gotta wait and see how kind the lottery is to us.

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How about we just get trade Kaman for a bag of rocks? We could give Corey Maggette another try they both get payed 10 million or close to that. Kaman just gives me a headache everytime he gets on the floor its like trying to get a fat kid to eat healthy.

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article from SI about rubio wanting to enter this draft....but it is going to be tricky due to the buyout. sounds like he would have to almost play for free the first year or two of his rookie contract.

heres the article if you are interested.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/w ... index.html

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The more I look at Rubio the more I like him but question if he's a right fit or will even fit. We have four point guards already. So that would mean Jones and Collins would be gone maybe Taylor (I doubt it) or maybe Davis. Me personaly I would keep Davis he's a proven guard in this league that just had a bad year. The safest way to go is to get the best pick when your on the clock. There will be better players than Rubio when the Clipps are on the board no matter what pick we are. We are thin at Sf and Sg, the only thing that makes sense with the Clippers looking at Rubio is trading BD and a center for a SF or Sg or keep Jones to backup EJ.

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