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JamFan
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It is hard to see out we have improved ourselves that much, so as to make a difference in the win/loss column next season. Sure, a couple of guys are gone and a couple of guys will come in, but we are maybe only a little better than we were last year. Al Thorton will have to step up big time to make a difference.

C- Chris Kaman, Aaron Williams

PF - Elton Brand, Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF - Corey Maggette, Al Thorton, Q Ross

SG - Cat Mobley, Guillermo Diaz

PG - Sam Cassell, Jared Jordan

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Korolev, Hart

Injured Reserve - Livingston

The biggest problem here is that if Sam goes down with injury, who is going to play PG. Diaz (rookie), or Jorden (rookie)? That's not good. I can only imagine that they will use their MLE to bring a veteran PG or sign Hart again. What do you guys think?

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Unless we go after Billups or Francis, it's probably just best to re-sign Hart.

G-Man04
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I disagree......Obviously I would love to have Billups (imagine that roster) but I don't think it's very realistic. Francis intrigues me quite a bit but I don't think he is a good fit, especially with Dunleavy. Remember the last time Francis played for a defense-oriented coach who slowed the game down and ran a lot of half-court sets? He became frustrated and was traded for T-Mac. Francis is relentless at pushing the ball and creating offense off the dribble and tends to turn the ball over quite a bit and can be a little selfish at times. I would love the energy and exitement he could bring but he doesn't seem like a Dunleavy style player. But who knows, Maybe Dunleavy will wake up and realize it's nice to get some easy buckets once in a while....but I doubt it!

As JamFan pointed out we do have the MLE which should bring us a pretty good player. S.Blake, M.Williams, Boykins, and C.Atkins (would only require about half the MLE) are some options just to name a few and all are very capable offensive players. B.Knight would be a good option as a distributor and slightly more respectable offensively than Hart. Or how about Theodoros Papaloukas? At 6-7 he was the Euoroleague player of the year last year and considered by many to be the best PG in Europe.

IMO Hart would be a good option if we can use what is referred to as the "million dollar exception" which is currently set at 1.83mil for next season to sign him and use the full MLE to sign a reliable shooter/scorer such as Kapono, D.Stevenson (if he opts out), or M.Barnes to help stretch the defense, although Barnes is probably best suited for a more up-tempo style.

There are also trade possibilities provided we don't have to give any of our core players. L.Ridnour, M.Bibby, and J.Terry are said to be available.

The bottom line is, however, that although Hart is a steady and capable player he simply cannot stretch a defense and provide a consistent offensive game to protect players when they are double and triple teamed. Remember how stagnant the offense was when Sam was out of the game last year? Regardless of what we pay the PG needs to be a playmaker/shooter to keep the offense moving and there are plenty of options out there.

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Welcome G-Man04! I agree with your assessments overall. Hart is solid but yeah I think he's best suited as a backup. I have no problem in keeping him just hopefully it's for cheap. Apparently though he wants a 3 year contract so we'll see.

Papaloukas would be great- but there seems to be a lot of competition for his services, and I think he's a little risky (just in case his European game doesn't translate well). I mean if he'll come over for cheap, like $2-3 mil/year he'd be a great pickup for us.

I like Kapono too- but I'm not so sure if we should use the full MLE on him.

JamFan
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Good take GMAN. I like Mo Williams and one rating report has him as the 5th best FA overall and the best PG available even ahead of Mike Bibby. Bibby is only on the FA list because he can opt out and very well may not. So you would have to trade for him. I think Hart did a good job last year, but he doesn't get us to the next level. We need to upgrade. Don't be shocked if we see Corey Maggette and Shaun Livingston's expiring contract traded for a major player like Rashard Lewis or.........who? Shaun is only included after we sign a major FA PG, which they are going to have to do, right? Whoever gets Shaun would keep him if he gets healthy or just let his contract expire. The Clippers are not very good at being Bold. But they better either sign Maggette to an extension or trade him. Doing neither is to risky.

Clips84
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The Clippers need to address the point position. I wouldnt mind signing Smush Parker; as long as he understands that this team plays as a whole. But yet it's still a gamble to sign him. We'll see...

What if the Clippers sign Brevin Knight? He's reliable, serviceable & pretty good for a 10 year vet.

Here's an article I found about how Cassell wouldnt mind mentoring a new pointguard and how he guarantees the team making the playoff this season:

Cassell would love to mentor young teammate

By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer

Wednesday, June 27, 2007

(06-27) 01:03 PDT Los Angeles (AP) --

Sam Cassell would love to have a rookie point guard to take under his wing. He just might get his wish.

Cassell realizes that is a best case scenario, a point guard with the ability to help the Los Angeles Clippers next season to be available when their turn comes Thursday in the first round of the NBA draft.

That would be at No. 14 and, of course, there's no way to know if that will happen.

That player presumably would serve as a backup to Cassell, who said this week he's healthier now than at any point of last season and expects to be in even better shape when training camp begins in October.

"Whoever they draft, I'll open up my arms to them," Cassell said. "I don't get into the draft thing. How many guys come out of college ready to help you win, especially at a key position?

"Like I helped Shaun (Livingston), I'll help him as much as I can."

Livingston, the fourth overall pick in the 2004 NBA draft, underwent reconstructive surgery on his left knee last March and isn't expected back until midway through next season at the earliest.

"His situation has us thinking about point guards," Clippers coach Mike Dunleavy said. "We've got to protect ourselves at that position."

The 21-year-old Livingston has been hampered by a variety of injuries in his three years with the Clippers, and hasn't been able to play a full season.

With Cassell slowed by several ailments, Jason Hart manned the point guard position for the most part late last season, when the Clippers fell just short in their quest for a playoff berth. Hart is an unrestricted free agent and might not be back.

"I think there's a guy we would like to get," Dunleavy said regarding the draft without identifying the player he has in mind. "You just don't know. It's not out of the realm of possibility."

Among those who have worked out for the Clippers this month are point guards Acie Law IV of Texas A&M, Javaris Crittenton of Georgia Tech, Aaron Brooks of Oregon and Jared Jordan of Marist.

Law, Crittenton and Mike Conley Jr., of Ohio State are considered the three best at that position in this draft. It's possible all three will be gone when the Clippers make their first pick.

"We're just looking for a good player " a player who will fit into the system," Clippers general manager Elgin Baylor said. "We're looking for someone who can come in and give us some playing time. You get into trouble looking for a particular need. We've looked at every position.

"Only time will tell. I think it's a good draft, a deep draft. There are several guys we like. You just can't focus on one guy."

Baylor acknowledged last season was a disappointment for a team coming off a year in which it fell one win shy of playing in the Western Conference finals for the first time.

"They know they have to redeem themselves from last year," he said of the current Clippers nucleus that includes Cassell, Elton Brand, Chris Kaman, Corey Maggette and Cuttino Mobley.

Cassell, who turns 38 in November, said his goal is to play two more seasons.

"I'm feeling that good right now," he said.

"He's back in here doing all the work he needs to do to get himself ready," Dunleavy said. "You can always judge Sam by the conversation. When he's loud and talking a lot, you know he feels good. He's been kind of yappy."

Cassell admitted he called Brand at the end of the season and said because he didn't do what was necessary, he was so embarrassed he had to get out of town.

That's motivation for next year.

"My abdominal muscle caused most of my pain and anguish," Cassell said. "It's healed up. My back feels fine. The foot's been healed up.

"At the end of the season, I was 203 (pounds). I'm 196 right now. At the beginning of training camp, I'll be at 192."

When asked what he hoped to accomplish next season, Cassell replied: "Do what I did when I'm healthy, be the spoon that stirs the coffee. I think my teammates need me.

"We're going back to the playoffs. That's not even a question. If I play 75 games, we're going back to the playoffs."

The Clippers also have the 45th overall pick in the draft. Baylor said he didn't believe there was any possibility they'd be able to make a deal to move up from No. 14.

JamFan
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OK, I just looked at Youtube video of Theo P, and he dishes the ball a lot like Steve Nash, he just looks more athletic than Nash. Then I was reminded of how he single handedly dismantled the USA team in World Championships. We threw the best PG's in the NBA at him and they had no effect. He went for 25 and dished off a bunch of assists. He was the man on the court that day, and the NBA PG's were the girls. I don't think it is a matter of Theo adjusting to the NBA, I think the NBA will have to adjust to him. Word is he will have to sign for the MLE. The team that gets him is the team able to work out a deal to buy out his contact. If he comes to the Clippers, Sam can sit back and relax. Come in during the 4th quarter, guide us to victory, and rest those weary old legs. Let Theo P carry the big minutes.

TD
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Agree w/ PG assessment. For this reason I'd like to see Hart signed. Leave Diaz out (4 competent guys to share minutes at the 2 & 3 is enough), and bring over Sofo to backup Kamen. Here's my idea for a squad:

C- Chris Kaman, Sofo

PF - Elton Brand, Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF - Corey Maggette, Q Ross

SG - Cat Mobley, Al Thorton

PG - Sam Cassell, Hart, Jared Jordan

= 12

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Korolev, Aaron Williams, Guillermo Diaz

Injured Reserve - Livingston

TD
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Maybe Theo & Sofo will come over together!

Roster:

Starters

C- Chris Kaman

PF - Elton Brand

SF - Corey Maggette

SG- Cat Mobley

PG - Sam Cassell

Bench

C- Sofo

PF / C - Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF / SG - Q Ross, Al Thorton

PG - Theo P, Hart

= 12

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Korolev, Aaron Williams, Jared Jordan, Guillermo Diaz

Injured Reserve - Livingston

TD
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TD wrote:
JamFan wrote:
OK, I just looked at Youtube video of Theo P, and he dishes the ball a lot like Steve Nash, he just looks more athletic than Nash. Then I was reminded of how he single handedly dismantled the USA team in World Championships. We threw the best PG's in the NBA at him and they had no effect. He went for 25 and dished off a bunch of assists. He was the man on the court that day, and the NBA PG's were the girls. I don't think it is a matter of Theo adjusting to the NBA, I think the NBA will have to adjust to him. Word is he will have to sign for the MLE. The team that gets him is the team able to work out a deal to buy out his contact. If he comes to the Clippers, Sam can sit back and relax. Come in during the 4th quarter, guide us to victory, and rest those weary old legs. Let Theo P carry the big minutes.

Maybe Theo & Sofo will come over together!

Roster:

Starters

C- Chris Kaman

PF - Elton Brand

SF - Corey Maggette

SG- Cat Mobley

PG - Sam Cassell

Bench

C- Sofo

PF / C - Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF / SG - Q Ross, Al Thorton

PG - Theo P, Hart

= 12

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Korolev, Aaron Williams, Jared Jordan, Guillermo Diaz

Injured Reserve - Livingston

Hey - anyone good with the salary stuff? Will this proposed line-up be over the cap with Livvy still on payroll, ... etc.? Will it work on paper?

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All the new posters are really intellegent and informative. This post rocks!

We need a PG who can start. Have you've ever had back spasms? They can cause abd injuries, knee injuries etc (been there). It's not an question of if SC is injured it's a question of when. As I see it, the only "core players" are EB, SC and Q. To Billups, Ridnour, J. Terry, Bibby, to quote James Brown, Please Please. Smush or Atkins MAY work off the bench with SC starting.

Hart proved his mettle and will do fine somewhere else. He can't spread the defense (plagarized from a previous post).

Center ---Anybody decent , then Baby Shaq (if available) or A Williams PF EB, --then anybody decent, then TThomas SF--Corey or Anybody good,---keep Q. Would consider trading #50 SG, Corey or Cat--- or anybody good PG --HELLLP, any of above---, SC

Per previous, will give up 2 of above for great PG

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erratum from above. If we trade CM or KC of course they don't get the other one.

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We definitely need some free agent signing for PG. If Sammy goes down for some reason you want someone to be there besides Jared Jordan. Although if Sam says he's ready, I think he'll be good to go. Thing is, he cant be playing too long and we need a PG who "stretches" the defense like you guys said. Jared "The Magician" is ready to step in, but he's still gonna have to get used of NBA speed and learn some stuff before he's thrown to the wolves, although besides physical limitations, I see no problems for this guy learning in this league.

I think we can address the SG issue next year when we analyze Maggette, Q, Livingston, Cassell, and Brand's contracts. This year we just have to play with heart and definitely sign a PG like Billups or Mo Will. Ridnour would be good, but I think we'd have to trade someone for him and I doubt the Sonics want Tim Thomas or Aaron Williams. Bibby or Smush are not the guys we want here. Chucky A is getting a bit too old for what he can do I think.

TD
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Who would you trade for Billups? What would be attractive for Detroit? A PG needs to be in the deal. What about a 3 way deal?

Maggette & Hart to Milwaukee (SF upgrade plus adequate PG)

Mo Williams to Detroit (PG youth)

Billlups to Clips (PG who can make the big shot)

The Maggette hole seems like it can be filled by Q Ross, Thorton & Thomas at the 3. With this the Clips would also free a roster spot for Korolev or Diaz or ??? They could even resign Singleton. I also like Sofo over A Williams if that could get done.

Possible Roster:

Starters

C- Kaman

PF - Brand

SF - Ross

SG- Mobley

PG - Billlups

Bench

C- Sofo

PF / C - Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF / SG - Al Thorton, Korolev

PG / SG - Cassell

PG - Jared Jordan

= 12

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Aaron Williams, Guillermo Diaz

Injured Reserve - Livingston

SteelLAC2010
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I think we could be a year away to be another version of the Phoenix Suns run-n-gun team.

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TD wrote:
JamFan wrote:
OK, I just looked at Youtube video of Theo P, and he dishes the ball a lot like Steve Nash, he just looks more athletic than Nash. Then I was reminded of how he single handedly dismantled the USA team in World Championships. We threw the best PG's in the NBA at him and they had no effect. He went for 25 and dished off a bunch of assists. He was the man on the court that day, and the NBA PG's were the girls. I don't think it is a matter of Theo adjusting to the NBA, I think the NBA will have to adjust to him. Word is he will have to sign for the MLE. The team that gets him is the team able to work out a deal to buy out his contact. If he comes to the Clippers, Sam can sit back and relax. Come in during the 4th quarter, guide us to victory, and rest those weary old legs. Let Theo P carry the big minutes.

Who would you trade for Billups? What would be attractive for Detroit? A PG needs to be in the deal. What about a 3 way deal?

Maggette & Hart to Milwaukee (SF upgrade plus adequate PG)

Mo Williams to Detroit (PG youth)

Billlups to Clips (PG who can make the big shot)

The Maggette hole seems like it can be filled by Q Ross, Thorton & Thomas at the 3. With this the Clips would also free a roster spot for Korolev or Diaz or ??? They could even resign Singleton. I also like Sofo over A Williams if that could get done.

Possible Roster:

Starters

C- Kaman

PF - Brand

SF - Ross

SG- Mobley

PG - Billlups

Bench

C- Sofo

PF / C - Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF / SG - Al Thorton, Korolev

PG / SG - Cassell

PG - Jared Jordan

= 12

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Aaron Williams, Guillermo Diaz

Injured Reserve - Livingston

Naaa TD that's incorrect on your part they definitely need Thornton to start I think he's NBA ready to be a startup in this league Ross is a good bench player and doesn't fit the need to be a startup presence. Also you're looking way too far ahead we're focusing on the 2007-08 season Sofo will not be in a Clipper uniform until next season 2008-09 season. The big difference maker will be Chris Kaman I think he will come out big and strong for next year to help carry us in the NBA Playoffs. I think we need to sign Theo he'll help us out a whole lot he will change the pace of the game, set the tempo, set the fastbreak, set pick-n-rolls, screen-n-rolls, dribble penetrate down the lane, show some penetration, he can do it all especially because of his IQ plus if we have to sign Billups it'll be worth more VS Theo. Theo would want the Midlevel exception and Billups would more than midlevel so basically it's a win and win situation for us. I rather for us not to pay for the luxury tax putting us in the threshold state so basically we need to sign Theo he's 30 and still gots some legs in him the thing is is that can he compete with Parker, Nash, Head/Alston, Davis, Terry/Harris, Williams, and Chris Paul? We just need a guy who can defend em and keep em from being in the pain that's what hurt us the most we allow good point guards to take it to the hole and penetrate too much toward the basket. If we can do a better job in the paint, not turnovering the ball as much, defending the paint, defend the PG and SG position, and starting off more of the fastbreak I wink we'll be in the 50+ win column for next season.

This is how I project this roster for 07-08 season

C- Chris Kaman (difference maker)

PF - Elton Brand

SF - Al Thorton

SG - Corey Maggette

PG - Theo Papaloukas (difference maker)

Bench

C- Aaron Williams

PF- Tim Thomas, Paul Davis

SF- Q Ross

SG- Cat Mobley, Guillermo Diaz

PG- Sam Cassell, Jared Jordan, Jason Hart

Waived - Singleton, Ewing

Not signed - Korolev

Injured Reserve - Livingston

We need PG and C as difference makers because these are 2 very important positions which will make or brake us for the 07/08 year

We've added Thornton so we're 1 or two players away to achieving our goal again which is Playoffs. The biggest question is is that will Livingston play to his potential again I rather have him out the whole 07/08 season and play again in 08/09.

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My top pursuing point guards would be Bibby, Billups, or Theo

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Answers to a couple of questions. Baby Shaq is not coming this year, maybe next year. Most Roster scenarios above will work under the cap because we would be using our MLE to sign the best PG we could find. Aaron Williams is under contract so he is the backup center. All the focus will be on PG. There are only 3 difference makers and that is Theo P, Mo Williams, and Steve Blake. Every one else that we are talking about are good PG's, just not good enough to make a difference. We need a difference maker because 1- Sam can not carry the lead minutes any more and 2- we need to upgrade our roster and 3- Sam could get hurt again and 4- Shaun may never come back and be the player he was before. This is to important for us to screw this one up. A second tier PG is not the answer. It is easy to get one of those. It will be hard to get one of the best three PG's because the Lakers and other teams will be vying for their services. What will help is if we offer them the starting role. I have always been an advocate of preserving Sam so that is not a bad idea. Last season, everytime coach played Sam heavy minutes for a long stretch of games he ended up hurt again. So bringing Sam off the bench and having him fresh during the 4th quarter is a good strategy. And it will help us get the player we want. None of the best 3 PG's are gong to sign to come to the Clippers and sit on the bench.

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JamFan...I absolutely agree. We need that starting caliber guard. I think we got a real shot at signing Mo Williams. Something I read said if Billups and Bibby re-sign, Williams could get crazy money somewhere, but does he wanna win or make more money?? That'll be the question. Mo can get to the hoop and he is pretty good with his layups and making his shots count. Also, why that will be important, like you said, is because of Sam's stamina and health. Cassell could also play some SG if need be, and we can have that Free-Agent PG doing the main handling of the ball while Cassell knocks down shots and posts. Like you say, we need Sam in the clutch. Him playing the whole time may take him out of those opportunies. The only thing is: Sam wants to play all the time. If we sign this starting PG, the answer to that can be best addressed by the scenario I drew above with Sam playing minutes at backup SG and backup PG. We have the opportunity to improve our 8-man rotation and even start using our 9th and 10th men more. We'll see how Dunleavy does it all, but i think our new starting PG will be a big difference in taking this team to a higher level.

TD
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Maybe we can upgrade backup center - Mourning?

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Well I doubt Mourning would suffice. He's almost retired. Aaron Williams should be alright, and we still have Paul Davis who could be better this year. Also we can always use Elton Brand or Tim Thomas for the more athletic centers.

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We're looking way far ahead of ourselves here lets see what happens first then we can take it from there.

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I'm not so sure that we should spend our full MLE on a point guard- it'd be a waste. Cassell is here, there's Jared Jordan, Will Conroy, Diaz, & there's Livingston (scheduled to be back in January). Hart wants a 3 year guaranteed contract which could be a little tough- I say give him like $4-$5 mil for 3 years, and lock up Q Ross NOW for like $3-$4 mil/year before there's a bidding war for his services next year. And Maggette too- might as well extend his contract as well now.

Mourning would be great but I think he'll either retire or re-sign with the Heat. So Aaron Williams will have to do for now. He did alright for us last year- pretty solid. Of course there's Paul Davis as well. And yeah as JLemm said Brand or Thomas can fill in at center also.

Right now I think the roster is in good shape- it wouldn't be smart to use the entire MLE just for the sake of using it, esp. for just one player. If it doesn't work out we will be stuck with a bad contract for many years to come.

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Livvy is a long shot. I don't see him getting back to NBA caliber play this year, if ever.

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I really hope Livingston comes back. He is a unique talent, and whether or not we keep him, I'd love to see the young guy suceed anyways!!

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I never forget a couple of doctors close to his surgery saying it was the worst knee injury on an athlete they had ever seen. They were not optimisitic.

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I've been a bit strange about Lil' Bro" 14 because it breaks my heart.

JF, isn't it odd that eventhough LAL and LAC can't agree, their doctors can. Also I've personally seen a lot of knees and that's the most F*****up I've ever seen. But again world class athletes surprise up I hope I'm wrong.

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Too bad it's takin' Baby Shaq so long to make his LAC-debut...

And I'm really surprised you guys think Theo P will be a "difference maker" in his 1st NBA season..

Anyway, a lot of you have Diaz in your 07-08 rosters.. Is there any news of the Clippers even considerin' bringin' him over THIS year?

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Well Elgin Baylor said if Diaz plays like they expect him to in the Summer League, he'll be on the roster. The article is on the Clippers.com website.

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Hey, could Mobley back play PG? How about this for roster rotation:

PG: Cassell / Mobley

SG: Maggette / Mobley

SF: Thorton / Q Ross

PF: Brand / Thomas

C: Kamen / Thomas

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I think Mobley could actually play PG as a last resort of the coaching staff. I don't see if it'd be much of a problem because of the type of offense the Clipper runs, plus he should be quick enough to guard a lot of point guards out there. I think that would be a good experiment to try!

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Next yr will be pivotal with LAL imploding. We have to prove we're not one hit wonders. Our season will be based on 3 things. 1 Kayman showing up 50/50 2. Sam being healty 1/10. 3 . Help from a rookie 1/3. Just by probability one will be a washout. Will they be able to handle the pressure at crunch time even if they gets lots of minutes--50% so we get around 1/3. Let's assume Sam is out injured and Caiman shows up,we go old school

C KC/ Williams

PF EB TT

SF Corey (you have to start him or trade him)/ Q

SG Cat/Diaz Corey can also play SG if Diaz washes out (don't think so)

PG Hart (or Francis) with JJ getting lots of minutes

But if Kayman doesn't show

C /PF Davis/Thomas/Brand If KC doesn't show why give him minutes? These 3 rotate two on the floor one getting a blow.

SF Corey/ Q and more minutes for Thornton

SG Cat but Diaz gets big minutes. We'll need the athleticism

Something crazy. How about #50 for backup PG. He has the best ball handling skills except for the PG and who else can drive (the coach nuts)? Can he D a PG I doubt it

If Sam can play it's gravy but we still don't give him big minutes. Save him for PlayOffs

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This is why I was proposing trades for a high quality starting or backup center (Chandler, Shaq).

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Don't think so. Sam is 90% sure to get injured if he plays big minutes early in the season . Start Hart but get lots of minutes from JJ so we'll always have 3 PG's . If JJ's absent --Sam to PG. Mobley's always gets the start as SG. If CK shows (50-50 )Williams backs up CK, still JJ gets big minutes. Kayman a no-show then Brand/Davis/Thomas at PF/C. Lots of minutes from Diaz (athletic with EB and CM). Maybe Thornton in the mix. If Diaz a no show, Maggette to SG. Also Sam can play minutes as SG and we have Q and Thornton for SF. (30% chance a Rookie will help) If Maggette is a no show (25%) we still have SC and Diaz for SG and Q and Thornton for SF. Sam is fresh for P/O run or to give us firepower. If Thornton's a no-show we'll live. Maybe Q's developed an offense. We may have problems with "D". But we are lucky to have players who can do 2 positions and maybe Mobley or Corey at PG Smile

Does this make sense? Decision trees give me a headache

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Well, here's a Clipper update - Steve Francis makes a lot of sense if he's bought out by the Blazers.

He doesn't strike me as a Dunleavy type player - but it looks like the Clippers are interested.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/article_22670.shtml

dwb
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I know it's early, and the transition from college to pros is tough but didn't Jordon lead the NCAA in assists two years running? That's pretty strong no matter how you look at it. It could be that the point guard position isn't in as dire shape as it seems. Defensively he may be somewhat of a liability if he lacks speed, but then if he's in the lane that much to pick up all those assists he may well have quickness, which is different. Either way there are defensive schemes that can protect guys. At least he is reputed to be a pretty remarkable passer, something even experienced onlookers all comment on, which is something to think about. More importantly he's a guy who'll run the offense the coach has in mind, something usually pretty important to the coach. *ahem* Maybe we're not as desperate there as it seems.

Francis is points on the board, and I'm all for bringing him in that regard... but Stevie running the show would have the coach looking ten years older by mid-season. If we do bring in a PG from the outside I hope it's a "pass first" guy. Bring Francis in for his scoring... but don't expect him to lead or get other guys involved because that's never been his strength.

david
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Yeah Jordan showed some of his amazing passing ability last night at the summer league game. I think he could be a legit PG with some potential to be a star if he really works hard. His defense is mediocre- he did an okay job staying in front of his man but because of his size I saw him get banged around in the lane by Nuggets point guards last night. That's probably where he needs to learn to flop around a little to try and draw the offensive foul. But I was pretty impressed overall. Let's see how he does on Tuesday. I agree too that we're not as desperate as it seems when it comes to PG help now. Getting Francis will be icing on the cake.

jlemmen43
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...Also...Sammy will be ready to go like he was in 2005. The only question is how long can his body hold up. I think he'll return to form for the most part this year. But if he plays too often, his body may break down more and that will suck. That's why we need more minutes for more than just 3 subs this year.

TD
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We need Theo P or Knight more than Francis. Is there a pass-first PG available that can shoot the 3?

david
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Yeah I agree JLemm- we need to limit Sammy's minutes to like 25-28/game. As far as Theo Papaloukas goes, apparently he was just trying to get his Euro team to give him a better contract with all the "coming to the NBA" talk:


The word circulating around the arena Sunday regarding Greek guard Theo Papaloukas was that he had agreed to a three-year extension with CSKA Moscow for 10 million Euros, equal to about $4.5 million per season. I'm told Toronto, Miami and one other NBA team were seriously in the running for the 6-foot-7 combo guard, but Papaloukas opted to take a deal that ultimately will net him more money because his salary with CSKA is not taxed -- not to mention that he also gets an apartment, a car, a driver and countless other perks.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?id=29 ... &ft=ss

jlemmen43
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Hmm...the signing of Korolev doesnt leave much room for players to make the team. We would still have room to sign a FA PG, or if this Akubar from SD State plays good enough to make the team, do they just stick with Cassell, Jordan and Diaz?? I'm curious. I think it will come down to "if a FA will sign for the amount we can offer?". If we cant find a cheap solution to help at PG, I bet they sign Akubar if he continues to play well in the summer league. We shall see how consistent our new players are in tomorrow's game against Houston. These questions bring it back to the header of this thread. "as to the need at point..." Its hard to tell what management has in mind.

ether
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To answer "do they stick with Cassell, Jordan & Diaz?" ... I think that's a little dangerous. I don't think Diaz is a PG, Jordan is probably not ready to lead an NBA team and face the major PGs out there. If Sam gets hurt, LAC would be taking a big risk not signing an experienced PG.

Benoit_Benjamin
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I have my doubts that Diaz will be signed. I say the Clippers will opt to go with Jordan and let Diaz go...unless he starts putting up some amazing numbers in the summer league.

Benoit_Benjamin
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This is my projected roster.

C- Chris Kaman, Paul Davis

PF - Elton Brand, Aaron Williams, Tim Thomas

SF - Corey Maggette, Al Thorton, Korolev

SG - Cuttino Mobley, Q Ross

PG - Steve Francis, Sam Cassell, Jared Jordan, Shaun Livingston

The positions are not that important because there are a lot of interchangable players. I was just looking at roster spots. Fourteen roster spots are taken. Dunleavy does like to leave one spot open, but I'm hoping that they can find a pure shooter to take the 15th spot. Of course, they could use an extra big man too, just in case.

david
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I agree- from what I've seen in these two summer league games Diaz is no point guard. I think if the Clippers want another SG he might have a chance to make it.

ether
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I agree with Benoit's roster. That sounds about right.

TD
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Thanks for the link. Looks like the MLE was not enough.

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