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Some guy on the RealGM Warriors board said ESPN reported the Warriors rejected the Clips' offer:

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=879873&st=0&sk=t&sd= a

Don't know how true it is, but we're hella desperate to want Maggs back lol

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well....desperate to have maggs back or that desperate to get rid of baron???

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^ BOTH.

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well one thing is for sure....this might be a crazy week up until the trade deadline, not only for us but for the entire NBA. hopefully dunleavy doesn't make a crappy trade.

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omg thank god they rejected what the hell is going on? yeah baron is having a bad season but dont worry he will adjust and get better! its just the half of the season. yeah are record is bad and he might be injury prone but i promise next season he will be the same baron as before and we will have a playoff spot theres no need to be making these brainless trade offers to the other team.

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I'm betting dollars to donuts that it was the Warriors who made that offer and not vice-versa.

I normally don't say "dollars to donuts" but I saw the Zach Randolph avatar and couldn't help myself.

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journeyman wrote:
I'm betting dollars to donuts that it was the Warriors who made that offer and not vice-versa.

I normally don't say "dollars to donuts" but I saw the Zach Randolph avatar and couldn't help myself.

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Rich Bucher of ESPN was just on SportsCenter and said the Clips have offered Baron for Maggette and Marcus Williams, and Baron and Kaman for Kidd, and both trades have been shot down by the other team.

It looks like we're stuck with Baron. I'm really not sure if this is good or bad.

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Hmmm- this is interesting- it would fill our need at SF/SG since Al is still pretty inconsistent. Maybe it was Sterling who made Dunleavy do the trade offer since he likes Maggette.

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...damn. I hadn't thought of it that way. I hadn't thought of it that way at all. It sounds plausible.

My head hurts.

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i dont think the clippers are that stupid enough to offer 2 of are star players (baron davis and chris kaman) for an old point guard who has about 1 or 2 more years in him ( jason kidd) If this is true then clippers might be trying to bring a lebron or a d wade to our team.

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Rich Bucher of ESPN was just on SportsCenter and said the Clips have offered Baron for Maggette and Marcus Williams, and Baron and Kaman for Kidd, and both trades have been shot down by the other team.

It looks like we're stuck with Baron. I'm really not sure if this is good or bad.

i dont think the clippers are that stupid enough to offer 2 of are star players (baron davis and chris kaman) for an old point guard who has about 1 or 2 more years in him ( jason kidd) If this is true then clippers might be trying to bring a lebron or a d wade to our team.

This trade would be about saving money. Making this deal would save the team about $90 million.

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yeah i have a feeling that kaman is gonna be in dallas along with dirk ans so is baron. we will get kidd, and then not resign him, and tehn cambys contract will be out in 2010, and so will skinners, so im guessing we'll have like 30 mil to spend in the summer of 2010?

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well i hope we can at least try to pry bass or a draft pick away from them. im okay giving baron away for cap space and moving on if the clippers are giving up on the baron davis era, but kaman has quite a bit of value around the league. i would hope we get something else in return besides cap space once kidd leaves if he does.

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Well if true, and Davis and Kaman both know, I'm guessing they aren't too happy...well at least Chris.

Kinda feel bad when guys get traded unless they want out. I think having Williams could be pretty cool. He hasn't played much at all but he could be better than expected.....maybe...I don't know.

I just want THIS team to finish out the season. No need to ship anyone out when we're getting an eighty year old PG or one of our old players back that we can do without. We can get younger reliable players in FA.

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Wasn't this phase one in that revamping clipper article we all read? lol.

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lol yeah it was. and now its happening? i tried this on the trade machine......http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players =429~194~1982&teams=12~6~6&te=&cash=

if we want to get someone in the 2010 FA class, this will be the best chance. we get kidds 21m expiring contract and we got cambys 10 m expiring contract. so that leaves us with like 31m for that summer lol. i very sure that we can sign lebron AND bosh with that money lol

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IMO why would we want Maggs back when we have seen the best he has to offer and we still lost. He was always a selfish player when here. I would like to give up on BD as much as the next guy but not to get Maggs back. He's ok coming off the bench in GS but the second he comes back, he will expect to be a starter. I say if we do get rid of Bd then its for a player we haven't had before. Getting williams would've been nice.

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Yeah but why come to LA's second team when they could go to NY or stay with their current teams which are better then us....currently. Unless we prove we're the s**t next season I think it'll be close to impossible getting any superstar. You don't hear the clippers come up when naming possible teams that could land Lebron or Wade haha

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Kaman's a guy who we shouldn't trade cheap. Collins/Taylor/Jones/Ricky would give us a pool of PG's better than BD but who wants him?

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Yeah Williams could of been a fun experiment but having Magette as the other player coming over.....are you kidding me? Either B. Wright or A. Morrow or A. Randolph should be in there somewhere along with Williams and no Maggette.

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no one wants baron. meaning he's clearly past his prime and beyond repair.

why we would give up baron and chris for kidd is beyond me. once camby leaves we'd not only have to look for a capable player at center but also a PG.

wtf?

either these rumors are bull or these rumors are bull.

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problem with wright, morrow, or randolph is that they dont come close to matching barons salary. we could take all 3 of those players with williams and it still might not add up to how much baron makes in a year. thats why maggs is included, becuase his contract covers a big portion of barons contract

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okay guys i tried another trade and i think toronto would be willing to do it because they know they're not gonna keep bosh anyways, so by doing this trade they would have some long term deals to work with, plus we give them draft picks. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1977~2010~19 4~1982&teams=12~12~28~28&te=&cash=

PLUS DRAFT PICKS(we give toronto the draft picks.)

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lol or this http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=312~1982~779 ~1727&teams=21~21~21~12&te=&cash=

i know that these trades i am coming up with arent to be taken seriously, but im just making some light conversation lol

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i dont think toronto does it. they really dont need kaman unless they get rid of o'neal or baragnari. plus baron isnt needed when calderon is already their PG. i guess toronto would be getting some good value in return for bosh if they knew he was going to leave.

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problem with wright, morrow, or randolph is that they dont come close to matching barons salary. we could take all 3 of those players with williams and it still might not add up to how much baron makes in a year. thats why maggs is included, becuase his contract covers a big portion of barons contract
No I know I'm just saying we should throw in one of the those guys with Williams and maybe Crawford (I don't think they want Crawford)....He might round out the salary problem. Not sure if these could even possibly go down but....... http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=165~3039~324 2~194~193&teams=12~12~12~9~9&te=&cash= Brandon Wright is interchangeable with....

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yeah toronto pretty much know for fact that bosh is leaving, and they will need kaman cause it seems as if they are gonna trade oniel too. and as for baron, they can play him at shooting guard and he can cry there all he wants.

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oh yeah and clipps04, id take the second deal cause i really want to get rid of skinner lol

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haha yeah but I think they'd want a bit more other than Skinner, though BD should be enough Wink They love him in Golden State.

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yeah. and just saying for the stoudamire trade that i made up, phx would be getting a 15 and 10 guy from kaman, along with defense, and would be recieving 2 bench warmers!!!!!!!!!!

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How about Baron and Kaman to Miami for Marion and Chalmers? I would prefer Beasley, but I doubt that happens. Maybe we could nab Beasley if we gave Miami the option of switching 1st rounders with us this year.

Even if we ended up with Chalmers, we'd have our PG for the future and we'd have a ton of cap space. We could use it this year or come 2010 we'd have a ton of cap room without Camby.

2010 we would have a nice core, and then you add in our 2009 pick and whatever we spend in '09 and '10.

Chalmers

Gordon

Thornton

Randolph

Jordan

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^^^could be interesting. Chalmers seems to be a solid PG. Still worried about Marion bolting. I'd really really hate to give away so much only to lose the player at the end of the year. Still not convinced Marion is the player he was with the Suns, as we're finding out with BD with the Warriors.

It would be like giving Miami Kaman and Baron for Chalmers.....hardly worth while.

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well NBA coast to coast just talked about the clippers proposal to the mavs- i guess the mavs considered it but didnt want to take on the longer contracts of baron and kaman, so the deal didnt go anywhere.

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This would all be about a salary dump for us. It's better than the Kidd deal since it would give us a piece for the future and a ton of cap space and even more cap space in 2010 when Camby is gone. We would have no plans of keeping Marion.

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I'm glad they turned it down. Seriously what were they thinking. They'd go nowhere with Kid. If we are trading so many big pieces get some f**king young guys back. Not like we are championship contenders next year.

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guys the rumor of baron and kaman going to dallas for jason kidd is true. they were just talking about it on sports center. the Mavs did in fact reject that deal. im so happy they rejected it. once again, yeah i know baron is having a bad season but trust me this guy is going to be the guy who we all expected him to be. as far as chris kaman goes, I dont really care if he gets traded but a trade like baron and kaman for kidd is just ridiculous. we are for sure getting the worse of the deal.

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yeah thats what i just mentioned in the official trade thread- if we do that trade, although we would be getting a ton of cap space, i would expect at the very least a decent bench guy like bass or barea or maybe even a future draft pick.

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^^^could be interesting. Chalmers seems to be a solid PG. Still worried about Marion bolting. I'd really really hate to give away so much only to lose the player at the end of the year. Still not convinced Marion is the player he was with the Suns, as we're finding out with BD with the Warriors.

It would be like giving Miami Kaman and Baron for Chalmers.....hardly worth while.

This would all be about a salary dump for us. It's better than the Kidd deal since it would give us a piece for the future and a ton of cap space and even more cap space in 2010 when Camby is gone. We would have no plans of keeping Marion.

Ok good point, though they would have to be confident they'd find someone going up against all the other more desirable teams with huge cap space. At least we get Chalmers unlike in the Kid deal where we get no one and lose out on 2 huge trading pieces. We don't need cap space that bad.

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dont u guys understand???? we want kidd because his contract finishes this season, and its 21 million dollars!!! and cambys finishes in 2 yrs and thats another 10 million!! well have 31 million to spend in sumemr of 2010, even more than teh freaking knicks!!!!!!!!!

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But do you guys think we could get a Wade or Lebron. We are no bodies in the NBA world. At least NY has it's image of being the "big stage" and for all we know these guys stay put. Or a few stay put and a few go else where....leaving us with nothing.....huge gamble in my opinion. We are never the team to come up in teams getting the big names in 2010.

We'll be without Camby, Chris, and Baron. Who are we going for that we'd be willing to dismantle our who team?

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Even better for us is that we'd have about 20 million to spend this year. In 2010 it's going to be tough to sign someone. This year there won't be many teams with money and the teams that have some cap space might save it for 2010. This could enable us to sign a few very good players to build a team with a ton of depth.

We could also trade for someone the same way we traded for Camby. We could get a PG like Hinrich just to save the Bulls money. We swap 2nd round picks down the road and we take on his contract.

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dont u guys understand???? we want kidd because his contract finishes this season, and its 21 million dollars!!! and cambys finishes in 2 yrs and thats another 10 million!! well have 31 million to spend in sumemr of 2010, even more than teh freaking knicks!!!!!!!!!
Even better for us is that we'd have about 20 million to spend this year. In 2010 it's going to be tough to sign someone. This year there won't be many teams with money and the teams that have some cap space might save it for 2010. This could enable us to sign a few very....

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nice point hooch...i think thats what a lot of teams might try to do in 2010 (i am guessing some teams will have cap space they dont get a chance to use).

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dont u guys understand???? we want kidd because his contract finishes this season, and its 21 million dollars!!! and cambys finishes in 2 yrs and thats another 10 million!! well have 31 million to spend in sumemr of 2010, even more than teh freaking knicks!!!!!!!!!
Even better for us is that we'd have about 20 million to spend this year. In 2010 it's going to be tough to sign someone. This year there won't be many teams with money and the teams that have some cap space might save it for 2010. This could enable us to sign a few very....

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from the 2009 summer, all i see is kobe or marvin williams(preferably marvin williams lol) boozer is someone we dont nned because we have randolph. or maybe ariza, but not anyone speacial

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i wouldn't want Cory and his contract we don't need a player like him.. even though he never wanted to leave L.A. and Donald likes him i wouldn't want to do that..

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i dont think its a good idea to bring back someone with too long of a contract if it isnt a guy we really want. i am glad the GS trade didnt go down now that i think about it. the brand and maggs era is over and we have moved on. i think what we do with baron is going to change what we do in the future. if we can unload his contract, i like trying to get felton next year (even though he is restricted). plus, we always know we can try and trade kaman for a good piece if needed.

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Ok true....I'm coming around lol.

There's:

Ariza, Boozer, Barnes, Rush, Carney, Gooden, Gordon - to name a few role/starter guys (all unrestricted)

Restricted:

Marvin Williams

Raymond Felton

Steve Novak ( I want him back)

Hakim Warrick

Charlie Villanueva

Rashad McCants

David Lee

Nate Robinson

Paul Millsap

almost all the goods are restricted which doesn't bold well for us.

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paul millsap isnt worth the 30 million lol. 10 million max

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