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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=A ... ;type=lgns

I dont know what to think of this..good maybe? IDK. any thoughts?

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very interesting.

i know the clippers keep saying they wont deal anyone, but it sure seems like they will get rid of baron if they can get a player in return that will expire in 1 or 2 years.

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The numbers wouldn't work in a straight-up deal. McGrady's salary is almost twice the size of Baron's.

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McGrady is now done for the season. He's announced that he's having microfracture surgery. I would say this is pretty much a dead deal.

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baron and camby for t-mac and a filler or two would work, but we can get a lot more for the two. i guess we just see how the next 24 hours play out before the deadline.

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I'd say that if anyone were to get included in this trade it would be Kaman. Wtih McGrady and Camby off our books in 2010 we would have about 30 million in cap space to play with. I really don't think this does us any good though.

I'll be furious if we trade Baron for an injured McGrady. I'm not big on Baron right now, but trading him for an injured guy who will have trouble playing next year would kill the team.

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Pretty much agree with Hooch on this one. I think Tracy is due about 20 + million next season so even though it might be a one year deal ( next season), it is a bit extreme for a player who is most likely only going to play a fraction of the season.

Note: Having Tracy go under the knife for his knees again, pretty much labels McGrady as the next Penny Hardaway.

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We all know that Baron Davis is not working out. Like many of you here, I was happy when he signed with us. Dunleavy and Baron do not mesh at all. Since Dunleavy does not appear to be going anywhere , we might as well get rid of baron. Baron's stock is at an all-time low right now, lower than when GS traded for him. Considering T-mac contract expires in 1-2 years we can unload barons contract and rebuild around eric gordon, mike taylor and deandre Jordan. We all know tmac is injury proned. So is baron davis. Both have been to the playoffs for the majority of their career, granted that both have not done anything in the post season ... but still. Baron has had his mind elsewhere since he got here.

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I heard on another board that it could Shane Battier, Rafer Alston, and a 2010 first-round pick (instead of McGrady) for Baron Davis. That's not a bad trade idea...hell, it wouldn't make us more worse than we are now. Battier gives the Clippers much need defense on the perimeter, plus a he's a good outside shooter, and Alston can be streaky but probably wouldn't be that bad of a Baron Davis replacement.

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everyone knows that tmac is no longer "tmac". he's no longer a superstar.

besides, this doesnt make sense for us. give up a PG for a SF when we dont have PG depth and already have a decent SF.

plus that horrible contract. ew.

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yeah i think baron played the clippers. i think he signed with us just so he could be set for the next 5 yrs. then he's putting his mind elsewhere so he can get traded. the sneaky little bastard....lol

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no way would we trade for a payer out for the rest of the season. Unless were in total rebuild mode lol

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This trade sounds more reasonable. But I'm not betting it happens. I mean, don't the Rockets love Battier?

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http://www.hoopsworld.com/HeadlineStori ... TORY_16515

The owners says hes not trading t-mac

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i think we are in toatal rebuilding mode. i think everyone but mike taylor, eric gordon, al thornton, zach randolph, deandre jordan, and steve novak should be put on the trading block. camby, kaman, baron, ricky davis, etc would get us some draft picks or something. we are set at teh 2,3,and 4 spots. if deandre and mike can develop correctly, they can be starters. if we draft griffin, or jennings, or holiday, then batter for us. dunleavy has to work with players that are not familiar with any other system, because players coming from another system cannot deal with dunleavy's system.

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The Rockets are in love with Battier. It's being rumored that Artest is the one they want moved. Alston and Artest works money wise for Baron. I would do this deal in a heartbeat. Artest comes off of the books this year and Alton next year.

Sign me up on this one. I'd even do it without a draft pick.

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Yeah i like that one...

I'm just not the biggest fan of putting two problematic players like Artest and Randolph (not to mention Ricky Davis) on the same team.

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Artest would be gone by seasons end. We could also just buy him out if need be.

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I dont care, i need to see something that resembles defense before my brain melts

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yeah but if we get artest what position would he play? and would they throw in rafear alston?

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i dont want al out of the starting 5

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Artest would be great to have. He's got a ton of heart and plays his a** off. Yea it would be a sitcom though to have him on the same team as Ricky Davis and Zach Randolph, i would probably laugh hysterically though at the drama they all cause. Artest is 6'7 260... He can play 2-4 so what position he is at isn't too important. He's stronger than half the centers in the league and has really improved his 3 point shot a lot.

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Why not? He's really streaky and his D is doubtful

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I once saw Ron post up two guys at the same time and then defend almost every player on the court. I wqs against the trade but WTF

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first off, id love to have artest on the clipshow.

but wouldnt artest be a blow to thornton's psyche?

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If we are going to trade with Houston, what about Baron for Rafer Alston and Shane Battier?

It works. We get a PG and a classy SF and get rid of a player that doesn't fit in MDSR's system.

PS I wanted to post the trade machine link but was denied.

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The Rockets are supposedly in love with Battier. It would have to be Artest.

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By Ramona Shelburne on February 18, 2009 4:05 PM | Permalink | Comments (0) | ShareThis

Quick update. Just got confirmation that there have been talks with Houston regarding Baron Davis, but those talks are ``going nowhere'' according to a source.

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^^^ Wow so Ramona is confirming that clips are trying to move BD to the rockets. It could be that each side is trying to hold out for more? If the rockets are desperate they may bite. Seriously T-Mac is injured for the rest of the season and the Clips want BD out. It will be interesting how this plays out by the trade deadline.

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This just in. Dunleavy is still the coach. Back on topic though. This rumor better be false. Yeah, let's trade for an injury prone player who can never seem to stay on the basketball court. Dunleavy is just doing whatever it takes to get our attention out of him. Considering we just got blown out by 40 points last night, and we only have 13 wins, I'm not really shocked to see Dunleavy working the phones to show us Clipper fans that he's trying. Keep working your magic Dunleavy. We're still going to suck.

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I don't imagine that the Donald will want to pay a player 21 million dollars to never suit up for his team. As Ramona said, talks are going nowhere.

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battier is a CLASSIC FIT for dunleavy's system.

the thing is, alston's low FG% isnt doing much for us. also chucks up a lot of quick 3s. not as prolific a passer and defender as baron.

itd be SIIIIIIIIICK if we could somehow pick up battier and jose calderon.

calderon

gordon

thornton/battier

randolph

kaman/camby

business.

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Rumor has it from ESPN that the Clips tried to get involved in a Rockets and Nets trade. McGrady to the Nets, Baron to Houston, and Carter to LA. No one except for the Clips were interested in this deal.

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weird that we were the only ones interested in that deal ^^^. we are set right now with al and gordon, why would we need carter?

and whatever happened to not trading people when they were injured? i thought players had to be at least close to healthy in order to be traded. if t-mac is having season ending surgery, why would you trade for him?

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We're this desperate to get rid of him, after half a season? Things must really be bad with the coach and him. We've tried moving around players why not the coach? I haven't been advocating Dunleavy's release but I'd rather give Davis another shot in a differently controlled coaching environment then to let him leave for a player who's been past his prime for years.

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well i could understand trying to get out of baron contract, but are we really that desperate to get tmac?

th guy's probably never gonna suit up for us anyway. he'll be in rehab until after 10'. is there really no other way to get rid of baron?

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I was hearing about a 3 team deal involving the Clips, Rockets, and Warriors. Baron to Houston and McGrady to the Warriors would be the main pieces.

Chris Broussard however was just on ESPN saying that this deal was going nowhere. It's basically just the Clips trying to find a way to unload Baron.

Houston supposedly isn't interested in taking on Baron's contract and they aren't interested in giving up McGrady's 23 million expiring 2010 contract.

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I've been a Clipper fan longer than anybody i know. In my entire life i've only met 5 who could actually name me players and coaches. But this season has hit me the hardest. Believe me we've had worst records than this. But like i said this season was supposed to have been the best ever. The squad assembled rivals any clipper squad period. We also finally had the hometown hero so to speak. Every position was loaded . Dumleavy has had 6 seasons to prove his worth and believe it's not much. This season has hurt the most.

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Don't worry we won't do a trade and dunleavy will say " when we are healthy we can make the playoffs...."

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EG#23 wrote:
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We're this desperate to get rid of him, after half a season? Things must really be bad with the coach and him. We've tried moving around players why not the coach? I haven't been advocating Dunleavy's release but I'd rather give Davis another shot in a differently controlled coaching environment then to let him leave for a player who's been past his prime for years.

I've been a Clipper fan longer than anybody i know. In my entire life i've only met 5 who could actually name me players and coaches. But this season has hit me the hardest. Believe me we've had worst records than this. But like i said this season was supposed to have been the best ever. The squad assembled rivals any clipper squad period. We also finally had the hometown hero so to speak. Every position was loaded . Dumleavy has had 6 seasons to prove his worth and believe it's not much. This season has hurt the most.

I've been a fan a long time too. I started going to games 23 years ago. I probably couldn't pass your test wth names though, I can't remember breakfast from yesterday, but I agree with you. In the past when we sucked at least you got the feeling the whole team was trying their best. With this team,,and coach,,you feel like some are giving it their all (your Gordons and Thortons and Cambys), but others just loaf around and show up for a paycheck and seem to be having a laugh about the whole thing. How on paper such a good team can be so bad is amazing. It all has to point to a stubborn coach and a stubborn PG. What else is there (besides no big men for defense). I can't fathom how we keep getting worse and not better. The only redeeming thing about htis year is we didn't pay Brand to sit on the bench for 3/4 of the year (but it appears we will pay Kaman for that).

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I dont see getting rid of B.D. will help us. Sure he's not playing well but he's been with us half a season. Mike Dunleavey has been with us 6 yrs. I think mike's thinking is great (as GM) but as head coach, he just doesnt have what it takes to coach a team and handle the personalities that come with it. You have to adjust. Take our most recent opponents for example. With new coach Terry Porter, the team went no where. Rumors of Amare wnating to be traded, they were shopping Amare. But now with a new coach, a new (but old) system they know and love, they are off to a great 2-0 start. Of course it had to come to the expense of our Clippers but shows us what is possible. CHANGE!!! So i say keep b.d. He is still top 5 PG when he is active and playing good. Right now he's not playing good. so he is not top 5. But i think with a new system, more face paced it will rejuvinate this team like it did Phoenix and hopefully make a good run towards April. We have a great group of guys who fill in each position very well and is capable of winning games. But with this type of system that Dunleavey runs, its just not giving our guys enough life. LIke i said, maybe a more face paced, uptempo type of game might just put life back into our Clipps and hopefully to our season...

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Injury prone player for an injury prone player

i dont think its so smart

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I agree. I would like us to see a coaching move before we move baron but we all know that Mike isnt going anywhere. He's still our coach for 2 more years. Thats 2 more years with an unhappy baron davis. Might as well get rid of davis.

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Also, I know for a fact that if baron is traded he will go back to averaging 20 pts and 8 assist and shooting 44% from FG. A coach change can do wonders. Good or bad.

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Thats my point exactly. He just not in the right enviroment (coach) to play with. He likes the free flowing offense like Nelly did in GS,D'Antoni did in PHO. B.diddy and buddy Nash flourish in those settings. We did great against New York when D'Antoni came to town. We were up and down that court and kept up wiht the up temp style of the NY Knicks. Then after All-Star Weekend, we slowed down considerably and just fell flat.

I say pick up the speed. Do some crack. get the team on some meth or something and maybe they might be up and alive on the court.. ahha..no but on a serious note they really need to wake up and smell the coffee.. were 13- and i dont even wanna know how many L's we have..haha...

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You guys this is buseiness not fantasy island !! Trade me for Baron Davis Im from roosevelt middle school Baron will fit perfectly there! Wow

Keep baron

case closed

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This will be great trade!!! Someone to just slow down EG'S development is fantastic

wow this thread pisses me off

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i say.... keep what we have. i feel we are solid. Just need time to glue. i just hope zbo's issues stay off the court.

i think we can really make a run if we all get healthy. imo

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welcome deacon and yes I agree with you buddy!

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scuba6 wrote:
elton_sucks42 wrote:
Also, I know for a fact that if baron is traded he will go back to averaging 20 pts and 8 assist and shooting 44% from FG. A coach change can do wonders. Good or bad.

Thats my point exactly. He just not in the right enviroment (coach) to play with. He likes the free flowing offense like Nelly did in GS,D'Antoni did in PHO. B.diddy and buddy Nash flourish in those settings. We did great against New York when D'Antoni came to town. We were up and down that court and kept up wiht the up temp style of the NY Knicks. Then after All-Star Weekend, we slowed down considerably and just fell flat.

I say pick up the speed. Do some crack. get the team on some meth or something and maybe they might be up and alive on the court.. ahha..no but on a serious note they really need to wake up and smell the coffee.. were 13- and i dont even wanna know how many L's we have..haha...

The big problem with the New York game is that the Clippers didn't win, the Knicks lost, thanks to Al "Genius" Harrington and his knucklehead technical. I'm finding it hard to root for a team that doesn't give a crap on the defensive end, that doesn't pride themselves on defense, no matter how many points they put up.

This has been my biggest disappointment with Dunleavy. He has completely abandoned his defensive mind set. He was never a creative coach on the offensive end, but he used to keep this team in the top of defensive categories. Even with flawed defenders like Sam Cassell and Corey Maggette in the lineup, the defense would usually hide their deficiencies, and everything else would get cleaned up by Elton Brand and Chris Kaman. Having defensive-minded guys like Shaun Livingston, Cuttino Mobley and Quinton Ross helped as well.

Now, in the hopes of keeping Baron Davis happy, he's let Davis run free, taking his bad shots, allowing him to run and take 30-foot bricks without letting his teammates touch the ball, and worst of all, letting him take it easy on defense. When the self-proclaimed leader dogs it on defense, is it any surprise when the rest of the team follows suit? And he's traded for Zach Randolph, who can fill the void left by Brand on the offensive end, but he's a humongous sieve on the other side of the court.

It's hard to win with 3 on 5 defense.

After giving up consecutive 140 point games, how can anyone possibly argue that we need to speed things up?

The old Dunleavy would stress defense first-second-and-third. And he'd never let a player think he was bigger than the team. Aside from the Camby acquisition, he seems to have abandoned those philosophies, unfortunately.

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This is ridiculous. Frankly, Dunleavy should've at least learned something from the disaster that was signing BD. Trying to sign out of date superstars will never work, BD refuses to conform to our game style, and MC is not what he once was. TMac would be even worse because he falls into this category, AND he's out for the rest of the season, possibly longer. Plus he comes with a ridiculous wage consdiering he won't be able to walk.

As far as I'm concerned, excluding ZR who has turned out good for us even if he can't control his temper, our best and most solid, reliable players our AT, EG and veterans like MC and SN who is going big from three and along with EG gives us some outside presence.

All these players have a high work rate and want to gel together as MDs team, not BDs. We need to remove him and look for a hard working, pass first shoot last guard, either a veteran or a talented fresh face. I don't have many suggestions for this but I know this is the kind of guard we need to look for.

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