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No... Griffin is a potentional superstar...Westbrook is a good player. The OKC pick might be a bust since Griffin is the only lock in the draft.

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Westbrook would be pointless if we were to draft Rubio. No way we run Gordon, Westbrook, and Rubio at the same time.

All of our attention now should be looking to acquire the 2nd pick with Griffin and Gordon the only untouchables.

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we don't need Rubio he is overtated Jru Holiday is moving up in the draft and would be a better pick. but we have to stick with Griffin unless Dumlevey stuffs it up.

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There is no way Rubio is overrated. If the kid played college ball everyone would be gushing over him. Instead he dominated the Euroleague, a league that everyone says is a notch above NCAA basketball.

I think Holiday is a fine prospect and would have no problems moving back into the lottery to acquire him.

However if there is any way to get the 2nd pick without giving up Gordon or Griffin I'm all for it.

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Hooch20 wrote:
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we don't need Rubio he is overtated Jru Holiday is moving up in the draft and would be a better pick. but we have to stick with Griffin unless Dumlevey stuffs it up.

There is no way Rubio is overrated. If the kid played college ball everyone would be gushing over him. Instead he dominated the Euroleague, a league that everyone says is a notch above NCAA basketball.

I think Holiday is a fine prospect and would have no problems moving back into the lottery to acquire him.

However if there is any way to get the 2nd pick without giving up Gordon or Griffin I'm all for it.

That would be ideal but I really see no way we can package anything together to make memphis consider giving up the 2nd pick, and thats even considering rubio and his agent are bluffing to stay in europe because they don't like OKC or memphis. Maybe the only way we could get that pick is by taken all their bad contracts off their hands and even then its a longshot.

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I like my idea of Camby, Thornton, a future 1st, and the Wolves pick for the 2nd, Jaric, and Buckner. This saves the Grizz about 10 million, they get two future 1st's. and they get a all rookie SF from two years ago. They could go small with Gay at PF or they could choose to move Gay in a package for Amare. The Suns asked the Grizz for Gay before and the Grizz said no. If the Grizz had Thornton they may be more willing to move Gay. Gay also supposedly didn't like playing 2nd fiddle to Mayo.

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If I was in charge...this would be my plan of attack leading up to the draft unless I was going to stand pat for the first part of the season.

  1. Try to acquire the #2 pick WITHOUT trading Griffin or Gordon (The untouchables) and WITHOUT getting Rudy G. back in return. If we need to take back a bad contract? So be it.

  2. Try to acquire a first round pick somewhere BEFORE 15. This allows us to grab one of the many enticing PG prospects or even potentially a guy like Earl Clark. The PG list is nice though. Imagine Holiday, Flynn, or one of my favorite- Eric Maynor, backing up Baron. I like it a lot. Once again, EG and Griff are untouchable here along with camby, al, zach and baron.

Both of these moves would likely be involving Kaman but in an effort to get some pretty quality depth at the guard or wing spot.

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No way I take anything from the Thunder unless it's Durant which isn't happening. Westbrook is solid but Griffin is worth so much more than him and the #3 pick doesn't seem appealing at all (unless Ricky is there). But then why take Westbrook anyways when trading for the 3'rd pick would most likely land us another PG in Ricky since Memphis has been rumored to wanting Thabeet and Ricky supposedly would rather go back home then play for the Grizzlies. And Jeff Green and the 3rd pick for Griffin...next.

I say we keep our entire young core and look to see what we can get for Kaman, Zach, and Camby. If we can move down to the 7-13 spots without giving up too much that'd be great.

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We have a good team no need to break it up at all costs to get Rubio. We could've been that Mem or OKC team he didn't want to go too. It's not or it shouldn't be a problem of the Clippers organization that he doesn't want to play in those cities. Trade Kaman to Dallas for Stackhouse, he would be great off the bench. Also the Mavs declined this same offer before the deadline this year, don't see it happining with Dallas Kidd is too old. I like Westbrook but I don't like the pick at three. The best bet is to keep Griffin and trade a big for a 2 or 3.

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Hooch20 wrote:
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we don't need Rubio he is overtated Jru Holiday is moving up in the draft and would be a better pick. but we have to stick with Griffin unless Dumlevey stuffs it up.

There is no way Rubio is overrated. If the kid played college ball everyone would be gushing over him. Instead he dominated the Euroleague, a league that everyone says is a notch above NCAA basketball.

exactly.

im just not sold on blake griffin. he's not a dwight howard, shaq, tim duncan type of first pick. its pretty reasonable to say he's not that "Franchise first pick". as a result, he could be anywhere from mediocre to great. its not a sure thing. (baron did absolutely NOTHING for us even with all the scorers we had. i mean FFS he WALKED the ball up the court just to shoot long range jumpshots!!!)

rubio or bust. im set on it. you cant change my mind.

although if dunleavy can pull off getting the 2nd pick as well, this could be our "kwame for pau" moment. this could be the turning point.

grow some cojones and make a trade with the wizards or OKC, dunleavy. its not impossible.

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Personally I think Westbrook is not a good player, most of his bad play is covered up by the fact that the Thunder are not a good team, plus a lot of people give them the benefit of the doubt because the whole team is young. But he's not a good enough ball handler to be a point guard, he's not a good enough shooter to be a shooting guard, so what is he? It's a riddle for the ages!

I read a Bill SImmons piece recently that said we should package the number 1 pick along with 3 of our future number 1 picks to get Kevin Durant who is likely going to leave Oklahoma City when he gets the chance, apparently there is nothing to do over there. If it's an offer along those lines, I'll be listening intently...

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ekker3 wrote:
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we don't need Rubio he is overtated Jru Holiday is moving up in the draft and would be a better pick. but we have to stick with Griffin unless Dumlevey stuffs it up.

There is no way Rubio is overrated. If the kid played college ball everyone would be gushing over him. Instead he dominated the Euroleague, a league that everyone says is a notch above NCAA basketball.

exactly.

im just not sold on blake griffin. he's not a dwight howard, shaq, tim duncan type of first pick. its pretty reasonable to say he's not that "Franchise first pick". as a result, he could be anywhere from mediocre to great. its not a sure thing. (baron did absolutely NOTHING for us even with all the scorers we had. i mean FFS he WALKED the ball up the court just to shoot long range jumpshots!!!)

rubio or bust. im set on it. you cant change my mind.

although if dunleavy can pull off getting the 2nd pick as well, this could be our "kwame for pau" moment. this could be the turning point.

grow some cojones and make a trade with the wizards or OKC, dunleavy. its not impossible.

wow clipper fans are getting greedy. as if blake griffin werent enough, now we want rubio too? lol im just happy that we were fortunate enough to get the first pick. imagine if we were in the position of sac or washington. we would have been like "man! if only we were at least in the top 3. stupid clipper curse!" Very Happy

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LOL @ the Euroleague.

IF Rubio were on a college team here and Jennings were on a college team here Jennings would > Rubio. Jennings bolted to be able to play in the pros a year ahead of schedule because the NBA is retarded and won't allow kids to come out of HS to play in the NBA. Jennings was commited to what, Arizona? Who has a history of churning out and molding some of the best PG's in the country?

Memphis takes Kaman or Zbo and Minnys first for the 2nd pick and thats it. And we take nobody in return. We cut cap space and they can deal with our cap space. Rubio isn't worth trading all this crap for.

And I agree in no way would I trade Griffin for the 3rd pick and a player from OKC unless we got Kevin Durant and a future 1st as well.

I'd love to see Durant in LA. Hed smoke Kobe for marketing in about 2 years and hes going to be better than he is.

PEople need to leave it be. And I was the only person and the first person to bring up Griffin to Duncan comparison.

The only cmparison I did say is that this draft reminds me of the 97 draft. THere were 3 good players taken in that draft, Duncan at #1, Billups at 3 ( who Rubio can sorta be compared to ) and T-Mac at #9 ( where Curry could be chosen or DeRozan ).

Duncan didnt have a big time jumper when he entered the league either, he also didnt have a SUPER offensive game but considering they did have D Rob on the Spurs and Duncan like Griffin was a sure fire can't miss consensus #1 pick and player of the year Duncan succeeded and turned into something really special, exactly what is going to happen with Griffin.

You Rubio lovers have the biggest man crush in the world on this guy and would likely like to see him naked and play basketball. Its disgusting. We have a chance to rid ourselves of the mistakes we made in the past by taking a guy who dominated the NCAA just like Adrian Peterson dominated the NCAA. He was a man amongst boys. Rubio is a gangly boy amongst men in the Euro league. He's 6'4" 180lbs thats tiny, TINY. Antonio Daniels is 6'4" 200-2005lbs thats a decent weight for a guy that size, and Daniels is all muscle.

Rubio = Livingston 2.0.

And I will say it before and I will say it again if Rubio is SOOOOOOOO good why is it every team in the NBA had Griffin #1 all year and Rubio wasn't #2 on everyones board and actually may not even get picked in the top 3 now even before his agent made that statement?

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Also Westbrook > Rubio.

There are so many other young PG's in this league I'd take over Rubio. Augustin, Felton, Westbrook, Chalmers etc. etc.

Why? I dont want to have to retire another Clippers jersey to the wall behind me, I have an Odom and a Livingston jersey nailed to my wall, with my 2nd jersey of Baron ( I have his Charlotte jersey, yeah that old ) about to be nailed to the wall as well.

Rubio isn't the real deal. Get off of it. Unless we can get the #2 pick for real cheap without parting with Thornton, Griffin, Gordon, Jordan or Camby I am cool.

I'd just much rather trade with Washington to keep our pick and get their pick at 5 to take Holiday, Flynn or Jennings.

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Wow you're really not a rubio fan lol...I see a lot in him but its just not gonna happen. We'd have to give up too much to get him and we're taking griffin #1 so forget that trade the pick thing

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I am not sold on Euro talent, anyone that even considers still taking him at 1 is ridiculous. Yeah if we had pick 2, go for it I'd take him. I'd prob go get an autographed rookie card or two of his and I'd cheer him on and pray he does well. However he is not worth the #1 pick.

PEople are talking like hes going to be up there with D Wills and CP3 in terms of PG's in the league. At best he will be a Jamaal Tinsley/Beno Udrih player. A guy that can sorta shoot, get some steals and assists but has the body of Shaun Livingston.

Before the statement made today I had Rubio going 4th to the Kings.

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Rockford wrote:
LOL @ the Euroleague.

IF Rubio were on a college team here and Jennings were on a college team here Jennings would > Rubio. Jennings bolted to be able to play in the pros a year ahead of schedule because the NBA is retarded and won't allow kids to come out of HS to play in the NBA. Jennings was commited to what, Arizona? Who has a history of churning out and molding some of the best PG's in the country?

so i think its pretty clear you're saying jennings is better than rubio because he was born in the USA.

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You Rubio lovers have the biggest man crush in the world on this guy and would likely like to see him naked and play basketball. Its disgusting. We have a chance to rid ourselves of the mistakes we made in the past by taking a guy who dominated the NCAA just like Adrian Peterson dominated the NCAA. He was a man amongst boys. Rubio is a gangly boy amongst men in the Euro league. He's 6'4" 180lbs thats tiny, TINY. Antonio Daniels is 6'4" 200-2005lbs thats a decent weight for a guy that size, and Daniels is all muscle.

6'4" 180 - ricky rubio

6'3" 178 - an OLDER steve nash

6'0" 175 - chris paul

6'2" 185 - tony parker

6'3" 190 - russell westbrook

6'3" 185 - an OLDER sam cassell

and again, pete maravich was "gangly".

oh and sam bowie DOMINATED the NCAA, just like blake griffin.

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Rubio = Livingston 2.0.

rubio has a much HIGHER basketball IQ than livingston, not to mention he actually had MUCH MORE experience than shaun (not to mention professional experience).

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And I will say it before and I will say it again if Rubio is SOOOOOOOO good why is it every team in the NBA had Griffin #1 all year and Rubio wasn't #2 on everyones board and actually may not even get picked in the top 3 now even before his agent made that statement?

ill keep replying the same obvious answer: american media covers american sports.

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you're not sold on ricky because you're basing your whole argument on:

  1. youtube highlights

  2. euroleague stereotypes

  3. griffin's american hype

  4. european players reputation in the NBA

how can you be so quick to say griffin's gonna be the next tim duncan (there's no factual evidence saying so) but be so confident in saying rubio's the next beno udrih, at best? there's no basis.

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ekker3 wrote:
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I am not sold on Euro talent, anyone that even considers still taking him at 1 is ridiculous. Yeah if we had pick 2, go for it I'd take him. I'd prob go get an autographed rookie card or two of his and I'd cheer him on and pray he does well. However he is not worth the #1 pick.

PEople are talking like hes going to be up there with D Wills and CP3 in terms of PG's in the league. At best he will be a Jamaal Tinsley/Beno Udrih player. A guy that can sorta shoot, get some steals and assists but has the body of Shaun Livingston.

Before the statement made today I had Rubio going 4th to the Kings.

you're not sold on ricky because you're basing your whole argument on:

  1. youtube highlights

  2. euroleague stereotypes

  3. griffin's american hype

  4. european players reputation in the NBA

how can you be so quick to say griffin's gonna be the next tim duncan (there's no factual evidence saying so) but be so confident in saying rubio's the next beno udrih, at best? there's no basis.

I said a Tinsley / Udrih combo. Meaning he could very well improve his shooting ( Udrih isnt half bad at shooting ) and his defensive skills and passing ability could translate well into the NBA. So figure Rubio could max out never getting more than 15 a game, 8 assists and 2 steals. Thats not bad, esp for a PG. Maybe 9 assists isnt a big stretch. However didnt Baron get 15, 8 and nearly 2 this year?

I have looked at Rubios highlights, his stats and followed the Euro league a bit this year.

I'd much rather deal with a team that is slotted to pick later in the top 10 to take a player like Holiday, Flynn or Jennings, even Curry. The price could be cheaper than having to deal with Memphis and give up more than we actually should.

You showed other players weights around 170-185lbs. These guys are shorter than Rubio, thus they arent skinny poles like Rubio is.

And YouTube highlights are a joke. I could easily compile highlights of anyone in any league anywhere in the world and make them look awesome. Rubio did well int he Olympics, so did Carlos Arroyo, he smashed the United States anyone remember that? Rubios shooting %'s were absolutely awful and if hes so amazing, he should have shot better and scored more.

Rubio isn't the answer to what we need. Baron turned into a bum this year and I dont put full blame on him. They said before he even played a game if our team sustains injuries everyone will be in for a tough year, we have a terrible coach and we have a coach that would not allow a run and gun system in which Baron thrived. We brought in the wrong PG and we did nothing to accomodate his style of play on our team at all. We forced him to play slow ball. This is where Jose Calderon needs to be, not Baron.

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rockford, if ricky played in the NCAA at the same level, would you think differently? be honest.

by the way, "thickness" has nothing to do with strength.

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So you get all high and mighty on a player who you think we should take at #1 when nobody has him going 1, or we trade a bunch of stuff to get him at #2?

In another thread a poster posted something about how he doesnt care what any NBA player says about a prospect, they aren't going to talk bad about these guys. I responded with the bit about Michael Jordan, if you recall how great he was saying how amazing Kwame Brown was and how he was the most talented player he has ever seen.

Griffin is better than Rubio in every aspect for this team. Baron is more than capable of improving his numbers this year and if our team remains healthy we are fine.

How would you pit Derrick Rose against Ricky Rubio who would win I am curious because if Rubio is as good as you apparently think he is, mr Paul Davis quote... he should easily be able to handle Derrick Rose and put up better numbers than him. Which is funny because Rubio is a horrible shooter.

And yes I did see the highlights, I will say it again I can go make highlights of Mike taylor and show it to someone and they will be like wow holy cow that guy is an absolute monster!

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Thickness has nothing to do with strenght? Are you serious? Where's this logic? If Rubio weighs 180 and collides with,(it doesn't even have to be a center) say Eric Gordon who weighs 220, who do you think will fall and take the damage from the blow. That's a forty pound difference and they're about the same height.

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Sure trying to get Rubio with the #2 pick would be great but I wouldn't do it if it costs us way too much. Another member suggested Randolph and our Minny first rounder. I like this because it opens up a hole for Blake and it fills a need for Memphis that they can't fill in the draft. If we offer a ton of players we will run into the same problem as last year and mess up our chemistry even more. They used last year to start the building process and trading away a bunch of players will delay that process. Zach was the last to arrive so isn't as detrimental to be the first to leave. The only problem this poses is that I honestly don't think Memphis would do this trade. BUT if they did, even if we kept Baron, why not develop Rubio behind him. He would have less pressure to perform and we would lose Zach's salary so it's not like we're burdened even more by Baron's contract. Also, we don't NEED Rubio. If Baron had a decent year last season then a lot of this discussion wouldn't happen, even if Rubio is as good as advertised.

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So you get all high and mighty on a player who you think we should take at #1 when nobody has him going 1, or we trade a bunch of stuff to get him at #2?
actually ive been being a basketball nerd this past week and been listening to lots and lots of nbadraft podcasts. lots of evaluators have been skeptical about griffin's hype and have rubio right up there with him. (example :the espn nba today podcast.) Griffin is better than Rubio in every aspect for this team. Baron is more than capable of improving his numbers this year and....

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the logic is that people are born with different metabolisms and body frames. i see it all the time at gyms. you have these tall 6'3" guys that look like they're pretty strong but they're only capable of benching 135, then you have another scrawny guy who benches 235. looks can be deceiving and thickness means nothing. now im not saying rubio's as strong as an ox or anything (or that he's even reached his "man weight" yet since he's only 18) but i wouldnt judge a book by its cover.

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In a game of 1 on 1, Rose would beat Rubio...

Ine a 5 on 5 game, of 5 roses vs 5 rubios... i take rubio for some reason.

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ekker3 wrote:
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Thickness has nothing to do with strenght? Are you serious? Where's this logic? If Rubio weighs 180 and collides with,(it doesn't even have to be a center) say Eric Gordon who weighs 220, who do you think will fall and take the damage from the blow. That's a forty pound difference and they're about the same height.

the logic is that people are born with different metabolisms and body frames. i see it all the time at gyms. you have these tall 6'3" guys that look like they're pretty strong but they're only capable of benching 135, then you have another scrawny guy who benches 235. looks can be deceiving and thickness means nothing. now im not saying rubio's as strong as an ox or anything (or that he's even reached his "man weight" yet since he's only 18) but i wouldnt judge a book by its cover.

that's true, i mean, look at durant. he very strong for his weight.

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ekker3 wrote:
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we don't need Rubio he is overtated Jru Holiday is moving up in the draft and would be a better pick. but we have to stick with Griffin unless Dumlevey stuffs it up.

There is no way Rubio is overrated. If the kid played college ball everyone would be gushing over him. Instead he dominated the Euroleague, a league that everyone says is a notch above NCAA basketball.

exactly.

im just not sold on blake griffin. he's not a dwight howard, shaq, tim duncan type of first pick. its pretty reasonable to say he's not that "Franchise first pick". as a result, he could be anywhere from mediocre to great. its not a sure thing. (baron did absolutely NOTHING for us even with all the scorers we had. i mean FFS he WALKED the ball up the court just to shoot long range jumpshots!!!)

rubio or bust. im set on it. you cant change my mind.

although if dunleavy can pull off getting the 2nd pick as well, this could be our "kwame for pau" moment. this could be the turning point.

grow some cojones and make a trade with the wizards or OKC, dunleavy. its not impossible.

I respectfully disagree.

I have no doubt in my mind that Griffin is a franchise player. He's the best power forward prospect in a long time, even better than Howard when he came out of high school. A lot of people thought Okafor was a better prospect, and I have no doubt that Griffin is a much better prospect than Okafor ever was...

If Griffin stays health, he's going to be a 22+ and 12+ a night guy.

I like Rubio a lot too, but there is no way I would trade Griffin for him unless we had an offer truly too good to pass up. Though highly unlikely, I would love to add both Rubio and Griffin, and I'd trade anyone outside of Griffin, Gordon, and Jordan to make it happen...

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I think James Harden could be a steal in the draft he's an old school type player.

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you guys, rubio CANNOT change a game. yeah he can pass, but when you need a crunch time player to score for you when you need to,(everytime you need to) griffin can do it. griffin is strong. the guy will be able to dominate games, just like how lebron does. he will get to the rack every time he wants to, cause he's freaking strong!!!!!!!!! no, i dont want rubio because we really need a superstar right now. gordon and griffin are going to be our superstars. the only reason id give up this pick is if we trade thunder this pick,which is griffin, minnys pick, and a couple of future first rounders for kevin durant.

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i agree ....if your a hardcore fan of the clipps...theres no reason you would want a ricky rubio...unless ur the "i dont mind losing cause were the clipps and i can laugh with my friends about it.. kinda fans" ....ALOT on these forums

the trade baron rants on here are getting ridiculous.......

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Rubio is a little girl

Griffin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubio

Baron mike taylor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUBIO

Were getting Griffin Caseclosed let Rubio be a bust for another team!!! Baron Eg Al Griffin Camby and the rest of the crew

let Kaman or Z-bo and were fine!!

**** rubio and his girl body

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Kidd is old and probably his days as a starting pg are just about over. If he signs a large contract for more then a few years, I think it would be a big mistake for anyone. Mardy Collins or Fred Jones did a decent job for us last year considering we had so many injuries. I dont think Rubio will have that type of impact right away. He's gotta get his body into NBA shape.

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We can't get Kidd unfortunately. His contract doesn't allow him to be traded when his contract is expiring. (so he doesn't get traded to someplace like Siberia (Toronto) just to allow cap relief)

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It says ur 12 years old, so how r u hating on a guy and calling him Pub-anything? lmao

or talking about his "girl body"

100 dollar bet right now, on wax...

Rubio 2 years from now will be a far bigger star and better player than Griffin (assuming he gets drafted this year).

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^^^^ when i made this comment, i wasnt really bashing on rubio, but its just that we dont need him, and the guy could be a great second best player on a team, like the thunder. durant will be their first best player, rubio the second, and westbrook the third. they can always play westbrook at the 2 guard anyways. i dont think rubio knows what he is saying.. i think it would be MUCH better for him to go to the thunder, and it would be MUCH better for us to not draft rubio and stick with griffin.

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you guys, rubio CANNOT change a game. yeah he can pass, but when you need a crunch time player to score for you when you need to,(everytime you need to) griffin can do it. griffin is strong. the guy will be able to dominate games, just like how lebron does. he will get to the rack every time he wants to, cause he's freaking strong!!!!!!!!! no, i dont want rubio because we really need a superstar right now. gordon and griffin are going to be our superstars. the only reason id give up this pick is if we trade thunder this pick,which is griffin, minnys pick, and a couple of future first rounders for kevin durant.

^^^^ when i made this comment, i wasnt really bashing on rubio, but its just that we dont need him, and the guy could be a great second best player on a team, like the thunder. durant will be their first best player, rubio the second, and westbrook the third. they can always play westbrook at the 2 guard anyways. i dont think rubio knows what he is saying.. i think it would be MUCH better for him to go to the thunder, and it would be MUCH better for us to not draft rubio and stick with griffin.

Fair enough. But in my mind, every single guy on the team doesn't need to be a closer. somebodies gotta inbound the ball Smile

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you guys, rubio CANNOT change a game. yeah he can pass, but when you need a crunch time player to score for you when you need to,(everytime you need to) griffin can do it. griffin is strong. the guy will be able to dominate games, just like how lebron does. he will get to the rack every time he wants to, cause he's freaking strong!!!!!!!!! no, i dont want rubio because we really need a superstar right now. gordon and griffin are going to be our superstars. the only reason id give up this pick is if we trade thunder this pick,which is griffin, minnys pick, and a couple of future first rounders for kevin durant.

^^^^ when i made this comment, i wasnt really bashing on rubio, but its just that we dont need him, and the guy could be a great second best player on a team, like the thunder. durant will be their first best player, rubio the second, and westbrook the third. they can always play westbrook at the 2 guard anyways. i dont think rubio knows what he is saying.. i think it would be MUCH better for him to go to the thunder, and it would be MUCH better for us to not draft rubio and stick with griffin.

Fair enough. But in my mind, every single guy on the team doesn't need to be a closer. somebodies gotta inbound the ball Smile

yeah, true true. but we are a team that has NO closer, and barons the closest thing to it, followed by gordon....

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Rubio is a little girl

Griffin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubio

Baron mike taylor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUBIO

Were getting Griffin Caseclosed let Rubio be a bust for another team!!! Baron Eg Al Griffin Camby and the rest of the crew

let Kaman or Z-bo and were fine!!

**** rubio and his girl body

It says ur 12 years old, so how r u hating on a guy and calling him Pub-anything? lmao

or talking about his "girl body"

100 dollar bet right now, on wax...

Rubio 2 years from now will be a far bigger star and better player than Griffin (assuming he gets drafted this year).

Did you just say Rubio is going to be a better player than griffin???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????? Shocked

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i would do the hinrich trade over the kidd trade.

Kirk will be a great backup for Baron .

Baron , Hinrich , Taylor

Gordon , Jones , Collins

Thornton , Novak , Collins

Griffin , Z-Bo (hopefully)

Camby , Jordan

sold lineups.

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CLIPPER$ZONE wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
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Rubio is a little girl

Griffin>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rubio

Baron mike taylor>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PUBIO

Were getting Griffin Caseclosed let Rubio be a bust for another team!!! Baron Eg Al Griffin Camby and the rest of the crew

let Kaman or Z-bo and were fine!!

**** rubio and his girl body

It says ur 12 years old, so how r u hating on a guy and calling him Pub-anything? lmao

or talking about his "girl body"

100 dollar bet right now, on wax...

Rubio 2 years from now will be a far bigger star and better player than Griffin (assuming he gets drafted this year).

Did you just say Rubio is going to be a better player than griffin???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????  ?????????????????? Shocked

lol

you know ur my boy ClipZONE but i just think Rubio has an unteachable skillset

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^^obviously he's a PG....He's good but Griffin obviously#1.........and you know that Im 12 and Im crazy stupid sometimes so please forgive me amigo=]

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its continuing tommarow.....right now its my bedtime goodnight=]

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Lav tegherk... im going to have to agree with the 12 year old though. Probably seeing his 6th dream right now.

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ROFL!!! when did you speak Armenian?? lmaoooooooooo

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Trade for the #2 pick? We don't need another rookie! We need the players we have to mature. With EG, Al, Griffin and the two 2nd rounders from last year, there is already enough youth vs. veteran balance. This is just getting greedy.

Also: trading Kaman for Hinrich or Stackhouse? Why would you trade a starter for a bench player? Especially a starting center? A true center is a rare commodity in the NBA.

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Rubio is good, but griffin is the most solid thing in this draft. If you have any doubts on griffin, then watch the workout video that was put up on this site.

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Thickness has nothing to do with strenght? Are you serious? Where's this logic? If Rubio weighs 180 and collides with,(it doesn't even have to be a center) say Eric Gordon who weighs 220, who do you think will fall and take the damage from the blow. That's a forty pound difference and they're about the same height.

the logic is that people are born with different metabolisms and body frames. i see it all the time at gyms. you have these tall 6'3" guys that look like they're pretty strong but they're only capable of benching 135, then you have another scrawny guy who benches 235. looks can be deceiving and thickness means nothing. now im not saying rubio's as strong as an ox or anything (or that he's even reached his "man weight" yet since he's only 18) but i wouldnt judge a book by its cover.

that's true, i mean, look at durant. he very strong for his weight.

My eight year old son is probably stronger than Rubio. The scouts were saying when Durant was drafted that he could barely bench press 145 pounds, so if thats strong to you more power to ya. I'm not saying you have to be ripped or buff to be strong but it's obvious he has the strenght of a high school junior. Livingston couldn't bench over 200 so what makes Rubio different, humans had been relying on physics for so long for a reason, it works.

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I really hope we don't ship off Kaman for Stackhouse. Stackhouse is far past his prime. Josh Howard or Terry would be a ton better. I like the idea of getting Hinrich for Kaman if we can't work some magic and get Rubio. Hinrich had some impressive games earlier in the post season against the Celtics. I think he even played some SF when the Bulls went small.

I don't think Rubio will ever be known for his strength, he will be drafted for his passing ability, finesse, and basketball IQ. This does not make him less of a good player. The game and player development are just different in Europe. I hope we don't give up Griffin for a player and Rubio, but I also think he could be a great addition and has the potential to be an All-Star like Griffin.

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