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Kaman has been name dropped quite a bit in the Bulls camp and among their fans. Thoughts?

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hinrich makes too much money to be a backup (10million?).

the only player that sticks out to me is john salmons.

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It seems like Kaman would be a better fit for the Bulls. Even though Camby's contract is more friendly, he replicates Joakim Noah's skill set too much to complement him. But I suppose that would be their problem, not ours.

Talent-wise, Kaman for Hinrich seems like a win-win. Skilled big-men are hard to find, but so are playmaking point guards who shoot well. Even with Davis/Gordon healthy, Hinrich would be able to find lots of minutes in the backcourt since he can man the 2.

If $10M is too much for a bench player, as long as it's Sterling money, who really cares? As it stands, isn't Camby slated to come off the bench at $8M anyway?

Although John Salmons would be a nice acquisition as well.

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I think Hinrich is perfect. His salary doesn't bother me at all. Would you rather pay a big guy that much to come off of the bench? It's a small guys league right now. Teams go small a lot more than they go big. I remember a few times last year when all of the big guys were available yet only one of the guys was on the floor.

I see no reason why at times we could run with Baron, Gordon, Hinrich, Thornton, and Griffin.

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Definitely agree. PLus Hnrich has one of the rarest contracts in the league... decreases in salary towards the back end of he contract, it was all front loaded. Here is the contract terms:

09-10 $9.5 mil

10-11 $9.0 mil

11-12 $8.5 mil

man ifyo look at our salaries, Baron and Zach's dough is pretty crazy...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

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Salmons would be 10 times better if you ask me.

Living in norcal i was a huge Salmons fan when he was on the kings.

He can play the 2 or 3 at times and could relegate Thornton to a 6th man role where i think he would be excellent.

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I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Kirk can be a starter as well since we all know baron will only play 55-60 games per year due to injuries

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Yeah Salmons is good but i didnt like his decisions in the playoffs at times. He can score off the dribble, hit the jumper. A basic scorer for you. I wouldnt mind that trade. IT would fill the void we have and need in the SF position. But to be honest, i like Hinrich more than Salmons. Kirk seems more of a team player. At the same time, he can serve us good as a back up to BD.

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clipperboy24 wrote:
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I think Hinrich is perfect. His salary doesn't bother me at all. Would you rather pay a big guy that much to come off of the bench? It's a small guys league right now. Teams go small a lot more than they go big. I remember a few times last year when all of the big guys were available yet only one of the guys was on the floor.

I see no reason why at times we could run with Baron, Gordon, Hinrich, Thornton, and Griffin.

Definitely agree. PLus Hnrich has one of the rarest contracts in the league... decreases in salary towards the back end of he contract, it was all front loaded. Here is the contract terms:

09-10 $9.5 mil

10-11 $9.0 mil

11-12 $8.5 mil

man ifyo look at our salaries, Baron and Zach's dough is pretty crazy...

http://hoopshype.com/salaries/la_clippers.htm

It's actually $8M in 2011-12. But yeah, the fact that it's front loaded makes his contract more attractive.

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Hinrich is perfect for this team because he's a combo guard. If we had him, between Hinrich, Gordon, and Baron, 2 of them would always be on the floor, that's a good thing. Our backcourt would be set.

On top of this, I think he has great poise and a winner's mentality (NCAA champion)

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I would do it in a heartbeat, Hinrich for Kaman or Camby if necessary... With Baron as our starting point guard, we desperately need another PG to take his place if he gets injured (there's plenty of history there) or loses his enthusiasm (more history there)... We cannot go into this season with Baron as our only solid PG... Mike Taylor isn't even close to being ready to take over...

I think Thornton is fine for the time being and feel no immediate need to replace him. I'll give him another year.

With Hinrich, we could even go small with three guards at times with Baron, Hinrich and Gordon on the court together. That's why I don't look at Hinrich as making too much to be a backup... I think he'd get starters minutes over the course of the season because he can play the 1 and the 2... Given Baron's history, his poor relationship with Dunleavy, we need a solid option there and Hinrich is that and more. This is the move I'm hoping they make more than any other. I simply don't trust Baron, no matter what he says. Hinrich is a vet, he's smart, he can shoot and he plays hard.

Of course, before the Bulls will do any of this, they have to feel sure that Ben Gordon will resign...

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sz123456 wrote:
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hinrich makes too much money to be a backup (10million?).

the only player that sticks out to me is john salmons.

Hinrich is perfect for this team because he's a combo guard. If we had him, between Hinrich, Gordon, and Baron, 2 of them would always be on the floor, that's a good thing. Our backcourt would be set.

On top of this, I think he has great poise and a winner's mentality (NCAA champion)

Don't forget Hinrich also guarded Paul Pierce in the playoffs, so he can play the 3 as well. Versatility is always welcome.

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Kaman for Salmons or Hinrich is a deal I would make. Kaman has the potential to be a good player but his work ethic is poor and he hasn’t given 100% since Brand left.

I really like Hinrich’s versatility and his defense against Pierce. I think he may be the missing piece we need for next year.

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I doubt bulls would give up salmons after how valuable he was for them, plus he has a really reasonable contract, but i'd do that in a heartbeat

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Kaman for Hinrich is a good deal. Its insurance for BD's play. I would make the deal if offered.

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They love Salmons and his deal is cheap. They won't move him... But he does make Deng expendable... But he has one of those toxic contracts that will make it tough for them to move him if they choose to...

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This simple comment really hits the nail on the head...though, I'd love it if Baron comes through with 75+, but the insurance is nice to have, and plenty of minutes to go around with virtually 3 combo guards rotating...warming up to the idea of getting a nice combo guard..deandre jordan has gotten better already this off-season..hard worker

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Hinrich is the ideal fit for me. He can play both guard spots, plays D, hits his open shots, doesn't turn the ball over, and seems to be the perfect type of guy for Dunleavy. I also can see us going small at times with Baron, Gordon, Hinrich, Thornton, and Griffin. Teams go small more times than they go big. There were a few times last year when we had the 3 big guys all healthy, yet only one was on the court.

It's also a very valid point that if Baron holds true to pattern and misses a few games Hinrich would be nice to have to step in.

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I also think it would be really good for Baron to see Hinrich sitting there, waiting to come in whenever he starts to dog it...

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As long as we have Baron, I wouldn't want Hinrich. I'd prefer Salmons, Deng, or Tyrus Thomas. I think Salmons would be a perfect fit for the Clips.

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My sentiments exactly

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I think the salmon deal sounds intriguing but does the guy play any d??? The Hinrich deal also sounds great but we need a solid defender that can hit the 3 and lock down the best starter on the best teams. Can Salmons do that?? Hinrich wouldn't start so he couldn't. I still like the tayshaun prince for camby deal better because we absolutely need a lock down defender. I also believe that Mike Taylor has shown enough signs of being an above average pg but if he could hit his midrange shot more consistantely I think he can really start to kill teams with his quickness/ball handling abilities. He is basically an Aron Brooks type players. The Hinrich could turn into a diamond in the rough type deal because we would have a great pg on the court at all times and we could play bd,kh,eg all at the same times.

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NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
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As long as we have Baron, I wouldn't want Hinrich. I'd prefer Salmons, Deng, or Tyrus Thomas. I think Salmons would be a perfect fit for the Clips.

My sentiments exactly

They're high on salmons, don't think he's going anywhere. Deng is nice, but do you wanna take on that fat contract? And tyrus would be great, but how likely will they part with him. All we know is that they're actively shopping hinrich, and unless we get prince, I think kirk is one of our best options

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illastrate wrote:
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As long as we have Baron, I wouldn't want Hinrich. I'd prefer Salmons, Deng, or Tyrus Thomas. I think Salmons would be a perfect fit for the Clips.

My sentiments exactly

They're high on salmons, don't think he's going anywhere. Deng is nice, but do you wanna take on that fat contract? And tyrus would be great, but how likely will they part with him. All we know is that they're actively shopping hinrich, and unless we get prince, I think kirk is one of our best options

Well put. Salmons proved himself this post season by playing his butt off. He has a very reasonable contract and basically got a great deal. So im sure Bulls are not going to part with Salmons. Tyrus Thomas is a young athletic big for them. He rebounds, blocks shots, hustles, still is a nucklehead at times but still very young adn alot of room to grow. So Tyrus is off the radar. I know there were reports of Hinrich being shopped. They have a loaded back-court as did we. Adding Hinrich would be THE PERFECT FIT.

All points above from everybody contributing on Hinrich is all the same. Shoots very well, hits open 3's. Pass first PG, team player, never complained on minutes (even when he lost his starting position) so you can tell the kid has a great attitude. Good work ethic. GREAT defender.. and thats what we desperately need. Esp. on the perimeter. Ive been saying for ever that we need a SF to fill the void behind Al or even as a starter and making Al our deadly 6th man. But adding HInrich would be great. He can definately play the 3 and guard most SF's. He did a great job (esp down the stretch of a game with the last shot) vs. Paul Pierce.

Plus i think this kidn of PG, Dun would love in his system.

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The debate about whether we need a SF or PG depends on one thing. Do you trust Baron Davis? I don't... I also think we already have lots of guys who can play the 3, Al, Jones, Steve, Collins. None of them are great, but all are adequate... The only guy we have who can play the 1 is Baron... The Baron who shot 37 percent last year. The Baron who played no D. The Baron who couldn't keep anyone in front of him. The Baron who is often injured. The Baron who couldn't go by anyone. The Baron who couldn't finish. The Baron who dribbled away the shot clock. The Baron who made no effort to get Gordon more shots, despite the fact that he was our best shooter. The Baron who quit on his coach, his teammates and the fans...

I don't want to go into the season with him as the only option at the point... I don't think we have any greater need than a point guard who can step in when needed... and he will be needed. Taylor is just not the guy...

Thornton was one of the top rookies in the league and just finished his second year. There's no reason to panic now...

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how CAN we trust BD? he had 82+ games to instill trust in us last year and i never really felt any of that at all. so no, you cant trust BD. if he starts shining to start the beginning of the season, you really cant confidently say he's gonna keep that up, not get injured, or play hard when the going gets tough. (and that's kinda hard to accept considering that's our point guard - aka team leader).

id rather work out that trade with toronto and get calderon.

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Yup i trust Baron. His first year in GS was horrible. Then they gelled, got to know his game style and became a great organization to watch up to this day. They made a few recent runs in the playoffs with the most memorable, defeating #1 seed Dallas Mavericks.

Baron at his best is a top 5 if not top 7-8 PG in this league. Yes he shot bad, made bad decision and just played terrible. I too was a very frustrated and angry fan at that point. Knowing we spent so much $$$ on BD and he comes in and doing this. I understand he's a professional and supposed to be one at all times, but you cant help the way he felt after EB left him and us in the dust for Philly. IT was planned out between EB,MDsr and BD. But as soon as we got BD then EB jetted, which BD wihtout his #1 attraction to coming to this team (EB), im sure he felt betrayed and had no interest you can say to play the game.IM not making up an excuse to love BD, not at all. I feel that was immature of him the way he "dogged" last season and didnt put his all. But with the addition of Blake, the growth of Gordon and Al and with the roster we have now, im sure that BD is going to come back to turn heads.

I know we have "adequate" players to play the Sf but thats it. We NEED someone to come in and be more htan just "adequate" for this franchise.

Like i stated before in another post,

Jones: Love the guy and his attitude , work ethic. A little undersized to runt he 3. Mainly plays SG and/or PG.

Steve- great stroke, love it but thats all he's limited to. No handling skills or explosive first step. Shoot, i aint never seen him pump fake and drive to the hole. Its either pump fake step back or side and pull.

Collins - has size, can run the pg, sg and or sf. he has great ball handling skills. Jumper is suspect. Wasnt too bad when he was out on the floor running the pg.

None of these 3 can play the SF position better than "adequate" Thats why we need to bring in Hinrich. Hinrich serves many purposes. he can be the PG that we want if Baron doenst show up,and is a pass first PG. Can play the SG position. Shoot the open 3, get to the rim, and make great decisions. Also can play the SF as we all witnessed in teh Boston vs Chicago 1st round series. he guarded Paul Pierce. Even int he cluth with seconds remaining and Paul Pierce with the last shot of the game, Hinrich will step in and be the defensive man we need on the perimeter.

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ekker3 wrote:
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The debate about whether we need a SF or PG depends on one thing. Do you trust Baron Davis? I don't... I also think we already have lots of guys who can play the 3, Al, Jones, Steve, Collins. None of them are great, but all are adequate... The only guy we have who can play the 1 is Baron... The Baron who shot 37 percent last year. The Baron who played no D. The Baron who couldn't keep anyone in front of him. The Baron who is often injured. The Baron who couldn't go by anyone. The Baron who couldn't finish. The Baron who dribbled away the shot clock. The Baron who made no effort to get Gordon more shots, despite the fact that he was our best shooter. The Baron who quit on his coach, his teammates and the fans...

I don't want to go into the season with him as the only option at the point... I don't think we have any greater need than a point guard who can step in when needed... and he will be needed. Taylor is just not the guy...

Thornton was one of the top rookies in the league and just finished his second year. There's no reason to panic now...

how CAN we trust BD? he had 82+ games to instill trust in us last year and i never really felt any of that at all. so no, you cant trust BD. if he starts shining to start the beginning of the season, you really cant confidently say he's gonna keep that up, not get injured, or play hard when the going gets tough. (and that's kinda hard to accept considering that's our point guard - aka team leader).

id rather work out that trade with toronto and get calderon.

That'd be nice if we could get Calderon for Baron, but I don't see Toronto biting on that one. Sure, they wanna play an uptempo game, but at what cost? This Hinrich deal might end up being one of the best offers.

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Scuba, for a second, I thought we were in some disagreement, but we completely agree on Hinrich being a great fit for us... We also agree that our small forwards are in the "adequate" catagory... Griffin may also be able to play there at times if reports about his mobility are true. Oklahoma needed him inside and that's where he played, but there are growing reports that he can also go outside and has the quickness to play the 3 if necessary.

I guess the only area we disagree is regarding trusting Baron... I want Hinrich primarily as an insurance policy for Baron both health wise and attitude wise. I also don't see Hinrich as a 3, except on rare occasions when we play 3 guards... The Celtics are a good example, with Rondo, Allen and Pierce, they essentially play 3 guards all the time... Other teams do as well, so it's a nice option to have... We did it a little bit with Taylor and Baron and Gordon on the court together, but that was very rare... Usually when the other team had a quick guard that Baron had no hope of covering...

Bring on Hinrich.

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Well, with all the rumors that the Clips might trade Baron for a SF, most notably Corey Maggette, and given the fact that if we draft Griffen we just might have to many Bigs, a trade for Hinrich makes a lot of sense. And exactly what has Kaman done for us so far except playing very inconsistantly, and being hurt a lot?

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if we trade kaman away we're left with a GAPING whole at center. he's the only one with post up game (something that truly opens up the court).

speaking of getting hurt a lot - camby's not gonna play 82 games next year.

again, capable 7 footers are hard to come by.

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SamMays wrote:
Scuba, for a second, I thought we were in some disagreement, but we completely agree on Hinrich being a great fit for us... We also agree that our small forwards are in the "adequate" catagory... Griffin may also be able to play there at times if reports about his mobility are true. Oklahoma needed him inside and that's where he played, but there are growing reports that he can also go outside and has the quickness to play the 3 if necessary.

I guess the only area we disagree is regarding trusting Baron... I want Hinrich primarily as an insurance policy for Baron both health wise and attitude wise. I also don't see Hinrich as a 3, except on rare occasions when we play 3 guards... The Celtics are a good example, with Rondo, Allen and Pierce, they essentially play 3 guards all the time... Other teams do as well, so it's a nice option to have... We did it a little bit with Taylor and Baron and Gordon on the court together, but that was very rare... Usually when the other team had a quick guard that Baron had no hope of covering...

Bring on Hinrich.

Yup were on the same page, except on Baron. hahah

I feel you though on bringing in Hinrich as the "Primary" PG but they've already addressed it as Baron being our "Franchise" Player. dont know if that means anything wehn they say this in interviews or its published on the net but i try to stick with that. And i know what he's capable of doing.

So i would love to bring Hinrich in as a back up pg and keep MT as the reseve. He can serve us well when we want that hyper-up-tempo style of game haha...(with his wild A$$...LoL)

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if we trade kaman away we're left with a GAPING whole at center. he's the only one with post up game (something that truly opens up the court).

speaking of getting hurt a lot - camby's not gonna play 82 games next year.

again, capable 7 footers are hard to come by.

Yup 7 footers are hard to come by. Esp if they have a low post game like Kaman does. I want kaman here as much as we want blake griffin. But by getting rid of Kaman, it opens development minutes for DJ and Griffin. At the same time, Opens up our rotation to go small or big if needed. I like kaman. He's got a great low post game, can score with either hand. But lately he hasnt showed anything to prove that he wants and should be here. He stated and im holding this to him unless he chooses otherwise, but he'd rather play in germany this summer than heal his sore foot, play and learn with a team he will be playing with all season. I mean we have no chemistry and the off season is the besst opportunity to develop that. If kaman wants to head to Germany, i say ship him to Chicago for Hinrich.

Oh and about Camby being injured and not playing all 82 games, I knwo he wont, shoot i doubt Baron will, but at least their trying and playing. Camby tried as much as possible to play. Even with an ear infection, he and Ralph drove up to Sacramento to play since he wasnt able to take a plane due to his ear infection. That there shows me he's someone we need in the locker and on the floor.

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I really like this idea. Just curious though, if Uh oh Maggette-o came back who would start? Al or Corey?

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zach 4 Hinrich and Thomas? I WISH

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and their second round pick for some year lol hopefully this year

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if we trade kaman away we're left with a GAPING whole at center. he's the only one with post up game (something that truly opens up the court).

speaking of getting hurt a lot - camby's not gonna play 82 games next year.

again, capable 7 footers are hard to come by.[

If we traded Kaman Griffin can score in the post. Sometimes Kaman tries to do to much and we probably wouldn't notice a gaping hole because this team can put up points without Kaman. We wouldn't miss him on defensive end either. I would trade Kaman for Hinrich he's a tough solid player off the bench, he can play the 1 or the 2. I doubt we trade Camby, he plays with heart and we need that on this team.

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Yeah, and Kaman will probably play what? 12 games? He either has no heart, an injury prone leg, or both. None of those cases are a good thing.

Since when do you have to have a center with a great post up game to win?

Kendrick Perkins - Celtics

Ben Wallace - Pistons

Fabricio Oberto, Francisco Elson, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed - Spurs (whenever Duncan wasn't playing Center),

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sz123456 wrote:
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if we trade kaman away we're left with a GAPING whole at center. he's the only one with post up game (something that truly opens up the court).

speaking of getting hurt a lot - camby's not gonna play 82 games next year.

again, capable 7 footers are hard to come by.

Yeah, and Kaman will probably play what? 12 games? He either has no heart, an injury prone leg, or both. None of those cases are a good thing.

Since when do you have to have a center with a great post up game to win?

Kendrick Perkins - Celtics

Ben Wallace - Pistons

Fabricio Oberto, Francisco Elson, Rasho Nesterovic, Nazr Mohammed - Spurs (whenever Duncan wasn't playing Center),

If you say Kaman has no heart , injury prone leg, or both...what does that say about Yao? Yao has been hurt EVERY year for god knows how long. I think Yao is more injury prone than Kaman, no? In fact, didn't Yao get hurt the last few years while playing us?

As far as the other centers you mentioned, Kaman puts up better numbers than all of those guys. In fact, the only guy ( Perkins) that plays long enough to compare to Kaman, is nothing more than a complimentary player at best. Perkins is the most expendable guy in their starting line-up.

Wait and see, if kaman is on the block, there will be a huge demand for him...just like last season while he was hurt. While he was hurt.

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I would hate to be Yao's feet, I think he's good and I think he'll be hurt every year of his career. Big men like that don't last that long, sometimes it hurts me to see him walk.

Kaman on the other hand is also good but I think it time to clean house and get rid of all the old blood and see what we can get for him. He's under contract but people would look at his age compared to Cambys' age and could play longer over the years.

The only reason teams were looking to acquire Camby through trade before the deadline last year was for the playoffs, a team looking for a big man now wouldn't want Camby as much as Kaman. We need Camby to be a mentor to the 1st and 2nd year bigs we have also. Griffin's problems won't be offense, it'll be defense and who better to teach you where to be than Camby.

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I was really surprised when I figured out that Kirk Hinrich was the team captain for the Bulls. This is a major PLUS if we decide to go through with this trade. If Hinrich, someone who has been pushed to the bench by a rookie, is captain of his team- that must mean the he really has the qualities of an inspiring leader, something that Baron has completely failed to exhibit this year. We could definitely use some veteran leadership right now and Capt. Kirk could be the man.

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Who said I wanted Yao on this team? Being injury prone is a huge detriment to a team's success, particularly if the person is meant to serve a leadership role. I happen to think that Kaman is part injury prone and part sissy after talking to some of the higher-ups at the Clippers.

And I know Kaman puts up better numbers than those guys, but tell me, whose team was better, 2008 Celtics or the Clippers that year? Spurs or the Clippers that year? My point is that you don't have to have a center with big numbers to be successful. I think it's more important to have a banger down there that can play great defense, then leave the low post offense to the PF.

I also agree that there will be a big demand for Kaman and I hope we seize the opportunity, I've had it with that guy

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sz123456 wrote:
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If you say Kaman has no heart , injury prone leg, or both...what does that say about Yao? Yao has been hurt EVERY year for god knows how long. I think Yao is more injury prone than Kaman, no? In fact, didn't Yao get hurt the last few years while playing us?

As far as the other centers you mentioned, Kaman puts up better numbers than all of those guys. In fact, the only guy ( Perkins) that plays long enough to compare to Kaman, is nothing more than a complimentary player at best. Perkins is the most expendable guy in their starting line-up.

Wait and see, if kaman is on the block, there will be a huge demand for him...just like last season while he was hurt. While he was hurt.

Who said I wanted Yao on this team? Being injury prone is a huge detriment to a team's success, particularly if the person is meant to serve a leadership role. I happen to think that Kaman is part injury prone and part sissy after talking to some of the higher-ups at the Clippers.

And I know Kaman puts up better numbers than those guys, but tell me, whose team was better, 2008 Celtics or the Clippers that year? Spurs or the Clippers that year? My point is that you don't have to have a center with big numbers to be successful. I think it's more important to have a banger down there that can play great defense, then leave the low post offense to the PF.

I also agree that there will be a big demand for Kaman and I hope we seize the opportunity, I've had it with that guy

There's no reason to keep Kaman around. Yes, he's skilled, but it looks like he's lost a step. His confidence looks shot and I don't think he'll ever regain his early '07-'08 form. 18 teams inquired about him last season prior to the trade deadline and a lot of teams will still inquire about him this offseason. If we see a trade that will help us, we gotta go for it.

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I was using Yao as reference, is all. If Yao, who is considered one of the top centers is always hurt, shouldn't he also be considered in that category you are putting Kaman in? That was my only point.

If your point is to have a banger down low to be successful, hasn't Kaman always been that? Wasn't he that, the year we made the play-offs? Won't he also go back to that role once Griffin takes over?

Who on this team will fill the banger shoes if Kaman is traded? Jordan? Jordan CANNOT guard or bang in the paint. All his blocks are from the weak side and is very finesse. Camby? Camby is all heart but he can't guard a center either.

I would love to have Hinrich ( I was lobbying for him last year) on this team, and if we had a viable center on the wings, I would pull the trade for him even if it means shipping Kaman out. But that is not the case. If we trade our only big that is a true center for another guard, we will be relegated to another GS team with no balance.

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Salmons is a scorer and not really a great passer. The guy is very good guard but he plays a combo guard position more and Kirk is a little more of a pure shooter and floor general

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Hinrich is the Captain because I think he's one of the longest tenured Bulls on the team currently. He isn't that great of a leader. I dont want Hinrich on this team. We need to trade our players for immediate cap relief if anything not another long term BS contract and yes I know it was front loaded.

He's a poor % shooter, he isn't very much a pass first PG, he will do as much as Cassell did off the bench except not the shooting %'s and will lack the leadership he had.

I truly can't believe we were at one time offered Jason Terry and Dallas' 1st rounder for C Maggs and we were "confident" that Maggette would re-sign with us and then we ended up getting shafted. I would have loved that deal. A late 1st rounder and a great player who can play the 1 or the 2 and START if need be and we said no.

Chicago should give us HInrich and a 1st if we send them Kaman

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How did we get shafted in the Maggette deal? He offered us a chance to match and we turned it down.

I'm not really sure what's wrong with Hinrich? He plays hard, hits his open shots, plays D, and doesn't turn the ball over. A few short years ago he was being invited to the USA camp. Last year he was injured and never really got going, but to me he looked pretty damn good in the playoffs. Two years ago the entire Bulls team was awful. The Kobe trade drama killed everyone on the team.

I would much rather have a guy come off the bench to form a nice 3 guard rotation with Gordon and Baron, than pay Kaman to play limited minutes. Cap space means nothing to me either. No big free agent is going to come to us in 2010 so why trade Kaman for immediate cap relief? No team is going to offer us expiring contracts for Kaman, as expiring deals are at a premium right now.

Sam Smith who blogs for Bulls.com reported around the trade deadline that the Bulls at the last minute turned down a deal the would have been Kaman and Taylor for Hinrich. The Bulls were worried about Kaman's injury. I don't think that the two teams going back to the deal is to far fetched.

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I see where you're coming from. I have the same hesitancy, just because we would be lacking a "banger" down low. We'd have DJ, Camby, Zach, and Griffin, and really only one of them is defensive minded. DJ could be a phenomenal defender with his length, almost like Birdman, but he needs work.

But just looking at last year, we lacked a lot of things, and I think Hinrich solves a lot more of those problems than Kaman does. If we're only looking for a player that is strong and rebounds at the center position, it won't take long to find that player.

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sz123456 wrote:
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I was using Yao as reference, is all. If Yao, who is considered one of the top centers is always hurt, shouldn't he also be considered in that category you are putting Kaman in? That was my only point.

If your point is to have a banger down low to be successful, hasn't Kaman always been that? Wasn't he that, the year we made the play-offs? Won't he also go back to that role once Griffin takes over?

Who on this team will fill the banger shoes if Kaman is traded? Jordan? Jordan CANNOT guard or bang in the paint. All his blocks are from the weak side and is very finesse. Camby? Camby is all heart but he can't guard a center either.

I would love to have Hinrich ( I was lobbying for him last year) on this team, and if we had a viable center on the wings, I would pull the trade for him even if it means shipping Kaman out. But that is not the case. If we trade our only big that is a true center for another guard, we will be relegated to another GS team with no balance.

I see where you're coming from. I have the same hesitancy, just because we would be lacking a "banger" down low. We'd have DJ, Camby, Zach, and Griffin, and really only one of them is defensive minded. DJ could be a phenomenal defender with his length, almost like Birdman, but he needs work.

But just looking at last year, we lacked a lot of things, and I think Hinrich solves a lot more of those problems than Kaman does. If we're only looking for a player that is strong and rebounds at the center position, it won't take long to find that player.

I agree, Hinrich would solve a lot more problems than probably Kaman would. But with that, it also brings a lot more problems for possibly Gordon, Taylor, & Baron. Hinrich is just below a starter ( IMO) and with that, he demands minutes from the get go. Hinrich is more of a SG so would he find himself happy going to a team where he has absolutely no chance of starting? I am not sure it would be worth bringing him in.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Kaman is not needed as much as before, therefor, he shouldn't be expected to be the next Yao, Howard, etc.

With the addition of Griffin, he just fell several notches on the food chain. He has been relegated to the 5th option. Does that mean he is not needed? No way!

As long as his defense gets back to what it was, as long as he is healthy and gives a 100% regardless of his role, I think he is perfect for this team.

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sz123456 wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:

I was using Yao as reference, is all. If Yao, who is considered one of the top centers is always hurt, shouldn't he also be considered in that category you are putting Kaman in? That was my only point.

If your point is to have a banger down low to be successful, hasn't Kaman always been that? Wasn't he that, the year we made the play-offs? Won't he also go back to that role once Griffin takes over?

Who on this team will fill the banger shoes if Kaman is traded? Jordan? Jordan CANNOT guard or bang in the paint. All his blocks are from the weak side and is very finesse. Camby? Camby is all heart but he can't guard a center either.

I would love to have Hinrich ( I was lobbying for him last year) on this team, and if we had a viable center on the wings, I would pull the trade for him even if it means shipping Kaman out. But that is not the case. If we trade our only big that is a true center for another guard, we will be relegated to another GS team with no balance.

I see where you're coming from. I have the same hesitancy, just because we would be lacking a "banger" down low. We'd have DJ, Camby, Zach, and Griffin, and really only one of them is defensive minded. DJ could be a phenomenal defender with his length, almost like Birdman, but he needs work.

But just looking at last year, we lacked a lot of things, and I think Hinrich solves a lot more of those problems than Kaman does. If we're only looking for a player that is strong and rebounds at the center position, it won't take long to find that player.

Speaking of which, Birdman is an unrestricted FA. If we lose Kaman, I think he'd be the perfect guy to come in and give us blocks, boards, and low post defense.

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