Bulls want Kaman or Camby for Hinrich? (P. 2)

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Rockford
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How did we get shafted in the Maggette deal? He offered us a chance to match and we turned it down. I'm not really sure what's wrong with Hinrich? He plays hard, hits his open shots, plays D, and doesn't turn the ball over. A few short years ago he was being invited to the USA camp. Last year he was injured and never really got going, but to me he looked pretty damn good in the playoffs. Two years ago the entire Bulls team was awful. The Kobe trade drama killed everyone on the team. I would much rather have a....

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Hooch20
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With the way that Thornton played his rookie year we had no need for Maggette. The entire word new Maggette was as good as gone. Maggette may have bagged on us but he offered the team the chance to match what the Warriors offered and we turned it down. Maggette is one of the most selfish players in the league. Kevin Garnett tells him after a game "Way to get your numbers."

I'd much rather have an unselfish Hinrich on a three year contract that declines every year than have Maggette's four years of ball hogging.

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Last year I think the team also had full intention to bring Maggette back. The off season plan was to go after Udrih with the MLE and resign Brand and Maggette. This all changed however when Brand convinced Baron to come to the team.

SamMays
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Hoock is right. Once Thornton looked like his was going to become a player, Maggette was more or less gone... I like Hinrich quite a bit. He's a terrific combo guard and perfect insurance in the event Baron doesn't bring his enthusiasm again next year...

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Hinrich is not a starter but he's a great player, he could probably start on some teams. He would be a good pick up. He started before they picked D. Rose.

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The only trade I like for Kaman is Prince. Giving up one of the few true centers in the NBA should have a very high price.

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Hinrich has too long of acontract for us to handle. What if we land a super high pick with Minnesotas seletion or we are in the lotto next year and theres a perfect PG for us to take? What do we do with Baron and Hinrich then? Odds are we take a PG in the draft wherever we fall in the draft so I say no.

We should demand something high for Kaman, I'd love to get Diaw and G Force from Charlotte for Kaman and a future first. That gives us a player who can play the 2 or the 3 who has great capabilities to not only score and get to the line ( who has shot a lot better as he has gotten older in G Force ) but who can play terrific D as well. This gives us room to breathe on the bench, and then we also get Diaw who can play the 2,3, 4 or 5 positions as he did in PHX that one year. He's a great all around player and I think the most versatile bench player in the league, or starter because he can pretty much do it all. Hes got a good shot, good defense, good passing abilities. And hes not a cancer like Odom was and is.

If both came off the bench we'd have them coming off the bench with Randolph and Jordan thus filling the 2-5 positions and we could use Taylor or Jones to run the point. Hell thats a starting lineup that could win 20+ games and they are on our bench.

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The problem is, we only had once solid guard last season, Eric Gordon... We desperately need two more... We're hoping... HOPING, one of them might be a rejuvinated Baron Davis (who this forum has established was the second worsts PG in the league last year behind Beno, who was the other PG that Dunleavy coveted). Do you want to count on Baron? I wouldn't if I were Dunleavy... Too much is riding on it...

Also, long contracts are good for us, provided we get the right guys signed to them, since it's so hard for us to attract quality free agents... Hinrich, I think, is the right guy... Can back up two spots, or step in and start in the event of injury or Baron being Baron...

Taylor, at this point, is little more than an interesting 9th man who can change things with his energy under the right circumstances, buy who is too poor a passer to play the point. Jones was dismal at the point, though good in other ways... Mardy Collins? He exceeded very low expectations as a PG when he wasn't hurt, but that's about it...

Get us Hinrich...

RockinClip
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Hey everyone,

New here.

Clipper fan of 20 years

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I would like to know your opinion of Rodney Stuckey. Is this a guy that we would want, and if so, could get?

MuteHaitian
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Welcome aboard RockinClip. I'm anti-faker myself so hope you're with me when i say GO MAGIC!! I like Rodney Stuckey's play a lot. He's developing really quickly, but I don't think that Detroit would be willing to give up one of their promising projects.

Rockford
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I'm a die hard Clipper fan and for the last 9+ years I've lived about 10 minutes from where the Pistons play. Theres not a chance in hell the Pistons are trading Stuckey. Joe D already made it clear he would trade anyone on the team except Stuckey, he's got high hopes for that kid, and he can be a great player he just needs a big year, and I think this coming year is his real step in progress then the year after that he will really shows us what his numnbers are going to be like career wise.

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I was using Yao as reference, is all. If Yao, who is considered one of the top centers is always hurt, shouldn't he also be considered in that category you are putting Kaman in? That was my only point.

If your point is to have a banger down low to be successful, hasn't Kaman always been that? Wasn't he that, the year we made the play-offs? Won't he also go back to that role once Griffin takes over?

Who on this team will fill the banger shoes if Kaman is traded? Jordan? Jordan CANNOT guard or bang in the paint. All his blocks are from the weak side and is very finesse. Camby? Camby is all heart but he can't guard a center either.

I would love to have Hinrich ( I was lobbying for him last year) on this team, and if we had a viable center on the wings, I would pull the trade for him even if it means shipping Kaman out. But that is not the case. If we trade our only big that is a true center for another guard, we will be relegated to another GS team with no balance.

I see where you're coming from. I have the same hesitancy, just because we would be lacking a "banger" down low. We'd have DJ, Camby, Zach, and Griffin, and really only one of them is defensive minded. DJ could be a phenomenal defender with his length, almost like Birdman, but he needs work.

But just looking at last year, we lacked a lot of things, and I think Hinrich solves a lot more of those problems than Kaman does. If we're only looking for a player that is strong and rebounds at the center position, it won't take long to find that player.

I agree, Hinrich would solve a lot more problems than probably Kaman would. But with that, it also brings a lot more problems for possibly Gordon, Taylor, & Baron. Hinrich is just below a starter ( IMO) and with that, he demands minutes from the get go. Hinrich is more of a SG so would he find himself happy going to a team where he has absolutely no chance of starting? I am not sure it would be worth bringing him in.

I guess what I am trying to say is that Kaman is not needed as much as before, therefor, he shouldn't be expected to be the next Yao, Howard, etc.

With the addition of Griffin, he just fell several notches on the food chain. He has been relegated to the 5th option. Does that mean he is not needed? No way!

As long as his defense gets back to what it was, as long as he is healthy and gives a 100% regardless of his role, I think he is perfect for this team.

Hinrich is IMO a PG and not a SG. He can play both but he is very comfortable handling the ball and is a good decision maker on the floor. He has good court vision and sets up plays well. I think he would be great on the CLipps but do agree the bulls should throw in a pick.

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chris bosh is on the trading block.

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