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Maybe we can trade a future first round pick to Washington for the rights to Juan Carlos Navarro. Washington is looking to trade him. Navarro is a 6'4" SG/PG with good handles and a DEADLY 3 point shot. He was the MVP of the ACB Spanish league last year and did really well in the World Championships last year also. He has bought out his contract with his Spanish team. The Heat are really interested in him so we would need to beat them to the punch. I suspect that the Wizards would rather trade him to the Western Conference.

Maybe Miquel can give us a good scouting report on JC Navarro.

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WOW! If the clippers try getting Navarro...that would be a great transaction they've ever done since....getting Elton Brand!

Here's a vid of this kidd...man he can play! NAVARRO GO TO THE CLIPPERS PLEEEAASE!! haha!!!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xpCYWOJ5FLY

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So how well does he play PG? In the video he seems to have great passing skills. And he can obviously shoot. How high did he go in the draft? Good find David!

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Well the word is that he can play that position, and he was quoted as saying he can play it no problem. And yeah in our type of offense he'd probably fit great because of his shooting. It might be a moot point though since the Heat seems to be close to getting him according to reports.

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Once he is gone, the only PG left will be from the Sisters Of Mercy team.

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Maybe not a bad idea. Nobody would set a pick for a nun and she could go unhampered to the rack Smile As above stated, there were really only a couple of PG's available. If we don't get Knight be ready for your Hail Mary's

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I talked to you, David, about this player years ago when the "walls" of this forum were black and orange...Navarro has been playing at a high level since he was 19-20 years old...I mean, he has been one of the main leaders of his former club F.C.Barcelona: my city team...He has been Barcelona's franchise player for years...A team where have played current NBA players like: Varejao, Elson, Pau Gasol, Jasikevicius...Navarro has won everything he could have won overseas and he has definetelly think that he needed other goals...I have watched surely more than 100 games where Navarro has played so I guess I can give a true opinion: Navarro is a pure talent.

First of all, Navarro isn't a PG (so sorry)...Navarro is a shooting guard. Anyways, as he was born to play basketball, he posseses such a great talent that he can play at times as a PG but his mentality is first score...Of course he can pass, he has improved this area while he has grown but if you think in him as someone who can run an NBA team from the PG the whole season, then you are wrong...He was born to score...Best Spanish scorer since years (top scorer last year in ACB)...His main lack in NBA will be his size, he isn't as strong as the most of the NBA SGs and he could have problems to defend and attack them, so until he doesn't play some NBA games nobody can be able to say how it could affect him...On the other hand he's quicker and more intelligent than most of NBA players...He's a great shooter, if he's alone he will kill you from everywhere, for sure...He's good penetrating too. In fact, he's called "la bomba" ("the bomb" in English), because he usually penetrates and shoots a "flying shot" over all the big men and the ball softly falls into the basket.it's a like a bomb Wink ..This play owns to JCNavarro...I'm sure this play is in the most of his Youtube videos...Although he's still only 26 he has played so many important games in his career that he plays like a veteran...He did his first great international appearance when he was like 18-19 years old and he won the Mundial junior tournament for Spain defeating in the final the USA team (with exClipper players like Simmons and Dooling) and scoring 28 points in the final...Since then Navarro has been improving every year...now he wants to play with the best players.Let's see if he can develop his game in the NBA because as a great guy as he is, he deserves the best.

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Yeah I remember that Miquel. And he's gotten even better as you said. I think he's what we need though- a shooter and dribble-penetrator at the point guard position. In the offense that the Clippers run the point guard needs to be able to do major damage because EB and Kaman usually get double teamed. I think think our PG would need to have pure "PG" skills- he just needs to have a good handle, is savvy enough to make good decisions (which usually comes with experience), and can shoot from range. And Navarro definitely has those attributes. We need to kill the other team for double teaming the bigs down low. That's why Sam made such a big difference for the team two seasons ago- he made the other team eat it vs. double teams. And we all know that Sam is a score-first PG.

Thanks for the great scouting report Miquel- repped!

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Juan Carlos is reportedly available for a song. Milwaukee is not going to sign him and they will effectively lose his rights at the end of next week, cause his Barcelona team has given them until then to trade him to a team that will complete his buy out and sign him. His buyout has been reduced to 2 Mil from 14 Mil, and Juan reportedly is willing to sign for a mere 3.5 Mil. Most scouts consider him the best guard in Europe. And a bargain at 3.5 Mil. Any team could trade for his rights for a song, because Milwaukee will lost it all in a few days. And the Clippers effort to bring a top player like this. All we hear is the sounds of silence.

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I'm all for trading a future first rounder to Washington for Navarro. He would certain add a lot of depth to the team. The Wizards are being too picky and that's great the Spanish team is pressuring them to make a decision soon. According to this article that there are more teams than Miami and Memphis that are interested- hopefully that includes the Clippers!

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2 ... varro.html

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I'd do that trade too. If they wanted to move Brendan Haywood...could we throw in A-Will with the draft pick...I think that is an upgrade at the Center position. With Gilbert Arenas's imminent Free Agency coming...I would think Washington would want to stockpile on draft picks, and unload any salaries they wont miss. Aaron Williams has got to be cheaper than Haywood...I think that would work. We get our backup PG and we trade up for a younger, better Center. Even Etan Thomas would be alright.

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I like Navarro, but I would NOT trade a pick away for him. Maybe, maybe a couple of 2nd rounders, but definitely not a 1st. Personally, I want to draft OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose. You heard it here first, 2 future PG's of the NBA.

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Those two are supposed to be top 3 picks in the next draft- unless we miss the playoffs and get extremely lucky I doubt we can draft either of those guys. BTW isn't Mayo more of a shooting guard? Every time he touched the ball in that McDonald's All American game he just jacked it up from the outside (and bricked just about every one of those shots).

I think Navarro is definitely worth our first rounder next year, but probably not the pick that the Wolves owe us since it'll probably be a high one.

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david, nothing personal, but that's insane. Mayo is a gunner, but there is a reason he's been regarded as the best player in his class since the 8th grade. There was another guy from Europe who was supposed to be a stud from Europe, who was actually regarded as the best player in Europe. Sarunas Jasekejfdljl...whatever. He's not sitting on the bench. I'm not saying Navarro is gonna warm the bench like him, but I see some similarities athletically. Say we're in the lottery and land a top 2 pick. DOH! We'd be kicking ourselves. It can happen, look at the Sonics last year, a competitive team with Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis and they land the number 2 overall pick. If we suck this year, we suck, but let's not make moves of desperation, for someone who may not even take us to the playoffs.

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Moves of desperation??? You just talked about in a different post how you wanted to get two young guys with a bunch of potential for Elton Brand. How many young phenoms develop into superstars??? Not a lot. How many help their team win playoff games and championships - not a lot. More often than not, these young players fade out on the benches or fail to live up to their hype. When you find one that isnt just hype it's a great situation...but the chances of that happening AND also having a team to go with him...are not that common.

If we even get Navarro, he'd be a backup and potential starter...how is it a desperation move?? I have no problem with getting a talented guy who's been in the league 2 years (from free agency after this year) if need be.

Risk versus reward has to favor the reward in order for teams to pull the trigger. Finishing last in the league and getting a top 3 pick from the lottery are both very long odds...The rewards of trading that pick for a solid PG are worth the little risk it would take.

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You took the words right out of my mouth JLemm- well said!

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Mathematics, mathematics, MATHEMATICS!!!. If you get a draft pick, he's locked in for 4 years at A CHEAP SET price. Navarro is a free agent with a buyout price who can command a higher salary. Most importantly his potential as a superstar is not as great as the chances of the above mentioned lottery picks to become superstars. I view veterean Euros' as solid role players who can come in and set you over the top, but our team is definitely not in any shape to say that they're contenders.

I view it as a desperation move, because it's a last ditch effort to make the playoffs at a high price, a 1st round draft pick. Furthermore even if we make the playoffs, what about next year? Cassell will be a free agent, and even if he resigned, he'd be 39!!! We'd still need a PG of the future.

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I'm the PG of the future!! 5-10, 150 lbs...cuts to the hoop like a gazelle, floats like a hummingbird, loves to pass...cant shoot and doesnt wear his glasses while playing, but those are minor flaws. Put me in coach - I'm ready to play!!!

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I'm 38 years old

look like a toad,

Have many rings

but tight hamstrings,

Put me in coach- I'm ready to play 40 minutes a game,

cause I have to.

david
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That's pretty funny ClipperPains- I have to give you a reputation point for that one Very Happy

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yeah lol, he was laying down some rhymes there.

I would think the Clippers would be in the running for Navarro, because "supposedly" Elgin loves taller Point Guards. If he's 6-4, maybe Elgin's head is working overtime.

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Here in Spain there's no any information about Navarro and the Clippers...The only talk about Navarro about possible destinations are Memphis and Miami

JamFan
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A early morning report says that Navarro will be with Washington next season. Lets wait for confirmation. So, another possibility for us bites the dust. So now, lets see, what has Elgin done this summer to improve our team. Nothing. No trades. Has not signed a single free agent. Guess he thinks we are just fine, especially with every team around him making vast improvements.

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I'm sure the Wiz will want some value out of the rights to Navarro if the don't sign him. Also, as far as I can tell, they will have trouble signing who they want without some action to clear cap space. I'm guessing they want one of our starters (Maggette, Kamen) through some combination of moves. (I wonder if that's why they also picked Nick Young, a guy we wanted, ... just another reason for a Clipper deal.) Maybe we can help them and ourselves! Here's a trade idea ...

Clips send

Mobley

A. Williams

Paul Davis

Wiz send

Etan Thomas or B. Haywood

Navarro sign & trade

Result:

Clips lineup

Kamen / Haywood

Brand / Thomas

Thorton / Maggette

Maggette / Q. Ross

Cassell / Navarro

Wiz Lineup

Arenas / A. Daniels

Mobley / D. Stevenson

C. Butler / N. Young / J. Hayes

A. Jamison / Songaila

Etan Thomas or B. Haywood / Williams / Davis

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This article posted on the ESPN website.

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/truehoop/0-2 ... varro.html

How about a 1st round pick for rights to Navarro?

david
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I really hope that we make a push for him now that Knight is gone.

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Here's a trade proposal for Navarro. Works on trade machine:

Clips

T. Thomas to Minnesota (need a scoring vet PF/C)

Paul Davis to Washington (cheap / good backup center / cap room)

Washington

Etan Thomas & Navarro to Clips (backup Center, backup PG/SG)

Minnesota

Ricky Davis to Washington (Scoring SG alongside Arenas)

Resulting linups:

Clips

Kamen / E Thomas

Brand / T Thomas

Maggette / Thorton

Navarro / Ross

Cassell / Jordan

Wiz

Haywood / P Davis

Jamison / D Songaila

C Butler / Hayes

R Davis / Stevenson

Arenas / Daniels

T-Wolves

Blount / Ratliff

Jefferson / T. Thomas / Gomes

Hassell / Green / Jaric?

Mobley / McCants / Foye?

James / Telfair

TD
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Simple ... trade away the top-10 protected pick to the Wiz for Navarro. Buy out Aaron Williams contract & sign Navarro!

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If PG is seen as a "must fill" position for next year, and considering Sam's age that may well be the case regardless of how completely Livingston is able to come back, then it perhaps should be kept in mind that five of the top twelve or so guys in next year's draft are PG's. (including the prize of the bunch, DRose) So giving up picks now for Navarro, who's not one, might be unwise if that's the purpose of the deal. If you want him as a SG, ok... but that's what he is, much more a SG than a point. Personally I really hope that the development of JJordon makes a lot of this concern moot, but I'd hate to lose the potential of the draft pick in a PG strong draft next year. In the meantime, how about Utah's Dee Brown as a stopgap?

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Yeah, I agree dwb. I think the Clipps should pursue a short term solution (Knight, Boykins, Hudson, Dee Brown).

But if the Clipps perform reasonably well this year, they may not get a chance to draft one of those top tier PGs. So we can't count on that strategy.

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TD, I don't think it is that simple. Supposedly Boston contacted the Wiz and were told that they wanted Pierce in exchange for Navarro. So I don't think a first round pick (and protected at that) will be enough. The fact is, their price tag right now is way too high and they are sorting through about 10 offers from different teams. It can be found on Hoopshype.com in their daily notes:

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm

Also, it appears that Boston may not be able to (or willing to) afford B.Knight unless he will play for the veterans minimum (highly unlikely). They currently only have 9 players under contract and still need to sign their 2 draft picks from this years draft. This from today's Boston Globe:

"But the Celtics may be more concerned about cost than talent at this point. If Boston signs its two second-round picks for the rookie league minimum ($427,163), the team will be roughly $1 million under the luxury tax threshold ($67.865 million) with 11 players under contract."

"With the Celtics almost certainly entering luxury tax territory in 2008-09, they probably want to at least try to avoid the 2-for-1 tariff this season. So, don't look for Boston to spend its midlevel exception (worth $5.4 million) or anything but a portion of its biannual exception (worth almost $2 million). The most cost-effective route may be one-year veteran minimum deals where the league would pay a portion of the salary. That would mean a Payton type. If wading into luxury tax waters doesn't overly concern ownership, then Knight might be a better option."

Here's something I thought was interesting from the Boston Herald. They reference some apparent "locker room issues" with Knight but don't give any details.

http://celtics.bostonherald.com/celtics ... ;srvc=home

I wonder if those "issues" have anything to do with the delay in signing him.....

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The suddenly very desirable Celtics backup PG position may well lure the best of what's available almost regardless of the money (wow, did I just say that?) but we still should find good help with what's left if that's the way it goes down. 'Course if Knight has some inside hassles with Boston, great, he'd do well here. I've always liked him

Btw, does anyone know how Livingston's rehab is going? On schedule, or (hopefully!) ahead of? His healthy return still seems ultimately the all important piece of the puzzle. It looked like he was just starting to live the superstar expectations when he went down.

Ether you're right, barring unexpected misfortune during the season, or amazing luck afterwards, we might not get the shot at the top flight guys... Mayo or Rose, but on the plus side, the list of quality PG's should extend well down into the late first round, or even into the early second. If by draft time that's still seen as the position to fill, there should be a known commodity available even late. Sure would be nice if Shaun came back strong though. Even nicer if that happens AND Jordon works out!

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dwb- check out Livingston's status here in this nice LA Times article:

http://clippers.topbuzz.com/PNphpBB2-vi ... t-367.html

Your idea of Dee Brown sounds like an interesting choice- he would probably sign for cheap and he's not all that bad. But from what I've read I liken Navarro to Cassell in terms of the their aggressiveness to score on offense so I wouldn't have any probably with him running the point. In fact like Cassell you wouldn't be able to double off of him.

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David, thanks for the SL link, 'ahead of schedule' and his dreaming of getting back on the court the two most heartening things about the article. Livingston seemed such a rare talent, his injury was tragic, a blow to the Clippers' prospects and to NBA fans who love the game in general.

Although I'm not sold on Navarro as a PG I don't doubt his being able to play in the NBA. He certainly has plenty of big time experience and is a proven scorer in a tough league. As a point though I question his handle against the blurs he'd match up with and whether or not he could get into the lane and dish. Hmmm... Miguel does say though that he can get into the lane to shoot so maybe... Anyway, he definitely IS a big time scorer and in that respect, very Cassell-like indeed. And he does seem a crafty-type ball handler so it might work out. Still, it would be nice to have a change of pace, really quick/fast guy to bring in for Sam, the sparkplug guy that jazzes the second unit and gets Thornton, who can really run, some fastbreak slams. Plus someone to match up defensively with the same type player most of the other teams seem to have. But then there's a lot to be said for putting the ball in the hole too, and Cuttino, while not old, is getting up there, so any extra help at the two slot is an added benefit. Navarro would definitely be a help, especially if the price is right. Please, please though... let's keep the draft picks if at all possible.

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A shout out to L'il B'ro for his attitude and courage. It'makes me remember we have to suck all the joy out of every minute 'cause it may be our last and QUIT OUR BITCHING. Get well soon

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