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beau82
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Tim Donaghy a 13 year veteran is being investigated on betting games he officiated over the past two seasons, and the mob might be involved as well. Which means there must've been a decent amount of fixed games. This is going to take a big hit on the NBA here's the article..

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2943095

david
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Wow that is just crazy- I hope it was just an isolated thing where he was the only one doing it (allegedly). Definitely bad news for the NBA indeed.

thehonoraryfan
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Did you guys catch Stern's press conference yesterday? He says in his 40+ years with the NBA as a lawyer, fan, and commissioner, this is the worst situation EVER? That's saying a lot since so much crap has gone down in the past. Expect the officiating to be tighter than ever next season and this to be the topic of pretty much every single game. It's a shame but I don't think any of us is really surprised either.

jlemmen43
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Man i just wish fouls were done right. How many times do you see a defender's finger graze a shooters' arm as he's shooting and a whistle is blown?? A lot. It didnt affect the shot...why is it a foul??? I think there should be a rule to correct shooting fouls. When someone makes a basket just a bit too easily after a whistle sounds, I think the foul should be overturned. Unless the foul's hard, there's no reason the shooter gets to go to the free throw line. Im only talking about jump shots here.

ether
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Ditto to JLemm's comments. The lack of consistency in foul-calling is appalling. There is a double standard between the inside and outside games (a "graze" is a foul outside, but a mugging is OK on the inside). There is also different standards for different players. I hear the phrase "you have to be a veteran to earn fouls " all the time ... that's horse-pucky! And not calling fouls in the last minute ... don't get me started!

Remember the Kaman "nut-grab" incident? What a travesty. Instant Reply please!

I came close to giving up on the NBA because of the inconsistent officiating. It makes the whole game appear scripted.

Sorry guys, too much emotion.

jlemmen43
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Yeah, its hard to watch sometimes...I like to watch games, but I really prefer just to follow it on the net. I only see the so-called "facts", instead of judging with my own eyes. Guess I didnt see or remember the Kaman "nut-grab" incident. Please elaborate.

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I think this whole situation is very bad, but the I think the actual impact is being blown a bit out of proportion by everyone. Even though the ref can affect the game in terms of spreads (a point here & there) they cannot really consistently make bad calls to change the outcome of games. That's because they are being evaluated every game on their performance, and there would be huge outrages if bad calls consistently affect the ultimate win/lose result.

I agree with you guys about the lack of consistency in the calling of fouls. Actually I think this incident will help the game in terms of forcing the top brass to put more scrutiny on the refs to make sure the calls are consistent so that there'd be fewer individual ref "tendencies". And hopefully this will help put an end to the odd "let them play" laxed foul-calling in the final minute of tight games. I mean a foul is a foul no matter when it happens.

As far as instant reply I agree that it should be expanded to more situations than only to help decide whether or not a made shot left the hands before the buzzer. If e.g. a foul was spotted during the examination of the replay then go ahead and call the foul. And maybe they can borrow a page from tennis/football- each team can have e.g. 2 "challenges" a half to contest a call/result (only in a dead-ball situation). If the challenge proved to be right, then the team can keep the challenge.

ether
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Hey JLemm - The Kaman incident I refer to is during last year's playoffs against the Nuggets. I think it was Jerome James (or one of thier bigs) reached into Kaman's shorts and squeezed his huevos. The ref didn't see that. But Kaman got p.o.'d and shoved the player. The ref saw that and gave Kaman a flagrant foul (two shots and possession). After the game the tape was reviewed and the flagrant foul was rescinded. So Kaman didn't have to pay a fine, but the league can't reverse the two shots and possession after the game.

Flagrant fouls could be a good time for David's instant replay concept. There's so much that is judgmental in basketball officiating, and flagrants are among the most judgmental calls.

david
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Yeah good point ether- that incident would've been perfect for an instant-reply in-game decision reversal. I'm sure that once they saw the tape after the game they went "Oooooooh so THAT's why he gave the rough foul".....

thehonoraryfan
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David, I really like your idea about each team having two freebies each half to dispute a call by the ref. If the call was incorrect and the team was right, they should still keep the freebie. That would solve a lot of questionable calls and set the tone of the game to be called correctly. That might slow the game down a bit but I think it would remove a lot of questionable calls and players complaining too many times.

It doesn't make sense how the refs only review calls and shots at the end of the quarter. The 2 or 3 points at the end of the game are just as important as the 2 in the first quarter with just 2 minutes off the clock. It's also ridiculous how they are inconsistent, calling something in the first quarter but not at the end of the game. Or certain players get better treatment. Yeah LJB, Kobe, Wade are all great players but come on...they travel all the time and get away. If the league is really serious about cracking down on officiating, they need to start making calls consistent and accurate, not just for one game but for all games.

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Not that this inident will take the normal NBA fans away from the league...but if they choose to clear up the officiating and make it more consistent, they might get some casual fans who may have left already cuz of the "ref" issue.

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