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SDclipps
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with talk like this today:

It's no secret the Cavaliers want to rebuild their sagging front line during the offseason. One source said they might find that big man on the Los Angeles Clippers' roster. Morning Journal

Kaman averaged 12 points, 8.0 rebounds and 1.5 blocks last season in 31 games for the Clippers. He's missed 77 games in the last two seasons, but appears to be healthy now. Another target could be 6-11, 225-pound Marcus Camby, a former Defensive Player of the Year. He has one year remaining on his deal worth $7.7 million. He's also 35 years old. If he were added to the Cavs' current front line, it might be the oldest in NBA history. The Cavs kicked the tires of a Camby deal at the February trade deadline. They could never get a definitive answer on whether he was available. Morning Journal

so it obvious someone is going but what would you want?

i feel the KEY of this off season is to figure out how to get BOTH Eric Gordon and Al Thornton to come off the bench!!

So i feel we are in serious need for a 2 or a 3, i personally feel Griffin should be are 3 and zbo at the 4 opening up the floor...griffin would be unstoppable in that situation but thats me

but if you get eric gordon and al thornton come off the bench a lot like smith and bridman in denver and let them just go wild....unstoppable!

Eric gordon would automatically be considered for the 6th man award and most likely win it and with AL in the back court we would have the most dominant bench in the NBA by far!!!! no 6th or 7th man could match up to them....

and lets get this right when i say eric gordon off the bench, i mean like a 38 min off the bench...i'e san antonio manu ginobli

and you will never have an off day at the 3 spot with griffin starting and and AL backing him up.....and of course mixing it around and playing them together if we had normal coach

we must get a all star 2 guard!!

cavs have nothing i want....

rj for camby or kaman! orrrrr anyone other star 2

SamMays
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Gordon average 20 ppg once he was inserted into the starting lineup... He's not going to the bench... Before you can put Gordon on the bench, we'd need to come up with one heck of a SG to put him there.

I've read a lot of your posts, SD, and frankly, I don't think you have a clue.

SDclipps
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if read my post an all star 2

lol manu ginobli avg more than 20 coming off the bench and they got some rings

lamar odom for the lakers

smith for denver

terry for the mavs

flip murray for the hawks and so on.....

again a 38 min off the bench ie ginobli...

dont say i dont have a clue and then make a pointless argument....you should stop thinking

BBCLIP1
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Yeah. Let's put a rising young star who was one of the only bright spots out of last season to the bench. roll roll

clipper*joe
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Now now, lets not get personal. If you don't like his opinion, counter it with one of your own. No need to call him out like that.

SamMays
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<<<lol manu ginobli avg more than 20 coming off the bench and they got some rings ... lamar odom for the lakers ... smith for denver...

terry for the mavs ... flip murray for the hawks and so on..... >>>

The most minutes Ginobili ever averaged was in 07-08 at 31 mpg...

Odom... 30 minutes per game last year, his first year as a non starter...

Smith... 28 minutes per game

Terry... 33 minutes per game, but started 11 times

Murray... 25 minutes per game

... and so on... no clue....

Do at least a little bit of homework. It doesn't take long. Instead, you just serve up one inane idea after another, such as turning Griffin to a 3... His strength is his amazing athleticism and quickness, which 4s will have trouble dealing with. Instead, you want to move him away from the basket and turn him into an adequate 3? Come one! He may play a little bit of 3 under certain, ideal matchups...

Frankly, I think Dunleavy just said that because he wanted to present an option for alleaviating our logjam at the 4/5 so that we wouldn't look so desperate to move a big to the rest of the league... I don't think anyone believes (including Dunleavy) that Griffin is going to log significant minutes at the 3.

SamMays
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clipper*joe wrote:
SamMays wrote:
Gordon average 20 ppg once he was inserted into the starting lineup... He's not going to the bench... Before you can put Gordon on the bench, we'd need to come up with one heck of a SG to put him there.

I've read a lot of your posts, SD, and frankly, I don't think you have a clue.

Now now, lets not get personal. If you don't like his opinion, counter it with one of your own. No need to call him out like that.

My apologies...

Hooch20
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I couldn't have put it better myself.

GoClippersGo829
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I agree AT on the bench could be special while he still develops the mental part of the game, but no way we have gordon come off the bench. He is a starter, he will be a year older and with his first season under his belt, he should start grabbing attention around the NBA.

Hooch20
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I think we all agree that Thornton may best be suited coming off of the bench. We don't need a star to replace him in the lineup though. We need a roll player that's going to come in and specialize at either shooting the 3 or playing D.

There is no way that Gordon goes back to the bench. The guy came in and dominated his position for us after January 1st. He's only going to get better with age and he'll bring more to the table than any other shooting guard option we could get for Camby or Kaman.

We need to move one of the big guys to create depth at another position or positions. If the guy we get is someone like Prince who can come in and start, that's great. If we get someone like Hinrich who would be the first guard off of the bench to create a very good three guard rotation that's great as well.

We just need depth now. We've already got tons of talent.

hockeypro68
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I think the player we need to trade most is Zach Randolph. Of course the possibility of Griffin being able to start and play at the 3 would be ideal, but it very well may not work out great. Griffin is 6'10 & 250lbs, although he has amazing hops and speed for his size. I'm all for trying him at the 3 but I have my concerns with that move. I would hope Clippers can trade Randolph in the offseason to acquire a 3 gaurd to start or back up Thornton. Tayshaun Prince comes to mind, as he'd bring much needed defensive intensity to the team. In my ideal scenario, we'd move Randolph AND Camby in the hopes of landing a starting SF like Richard Jefferson. This would mean moving Thornton to the bench, which seems like it'd work fine although I'd want him to still get at least 25-30 minutes a game. Another benefit of trading 2 of our bigs is giving DeAndre Jordan more playing time and a chance to develop. I see bright days ahead for the Clippers. If anyone thinks 19 wins is an accurate projection of what this team is capable of, they clearly know nothing about NBA basketball. I can see the Clippers being a top 4 seed next season if all goes well.

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Getting someone like Jefferson is the equivalent getting another Thornton but for a higher price. Their stats are almost a mirror image of themselves except for a few minutes in time played and 3 pt shooting %.

By the way, welcome to CTB!

Hooch20
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I want no part of Jefferson. He's on the downside of his career and his contract is just as bad as Zach's. I'd love to get a SF in a trade for one of our big guys. I'd prefer Prince, Gerald Wallace, Marvin Williams, Josh Childress, or Josh Howard.

I still prefer Hinrich to any of these options however. The idea of having a great three guard rotation is to much to pass up for me. I'd prefer to go out and sign a SF like Matt Barnes or even Q. Ross to start at the SF spot. We could start either of these guys to add defense to the lineup, but still play Thornton the majority of the minutes.

ekker3
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if you bench gordon even after a breakout rookie season (almost breaking the clipper rookie points record), im 100% sure he's leaving us when his contract is up.

TheMachine
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Gordon off the bench? No way will that happen. And i dont even think Dunleavy is dumb enough to go after a waste of cap space like Jefferson (i dont know why his name keeps on getting brought up)

SamMays
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[quote="clipper*joe"]

Exactly. We don't need any more old guys on the downside of their careers with overinflated contracts... Give me Hinrich for Zach or (more likely Camby) and I'll happily go into next season... Just so long as we have a good guard to push Baron if he folds up again.

ether
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Here's what won't work about this plan:

1) What's the point of having Gordon come off the bench if he plays all but 10 minutes of the game? So he spends the first 5 minutes of the game on the bench and then plays 38 of the next 43 minutes? That's an exhausting rotation for the guy. Also, he WON'T be playing against the 6th & 7th man on the other team; he'd be playing most of his minutes against the starting 2 guard if he plays 38 minutes.

2) Gordon is a stud, but won't play outside of the 2 spot much. How are you going to keep this incoming all star happy playing 10 minutes a game? If you play them both at the same time, then you play small ball and cut the minutes from an already crowded group of bigs. No one is happy.

2) Camby is a great asset, but getting an all-star for him is a little bit of wishful thinking. Or Kaman for an all-star? That's also a stretch considering most CTBers aer OK with Kaman-for-Heinrich. He's good but not an all-star.

RockinClip
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Gordon is a superstar to be. I am excited about EG's future. Why have so many people given up on Thornton after two years? He can be the Ariza on our squad. The reason he isn't Ariza is because Dunleavy is his coach. Al has a chance to be an outstanding defender and team player because of is character. It's Kaman and Baron who have questionable heart.

Unfortunately they are the starting PG and C on our team. At this point I would like to see Kaman and Davis gone.Let Deandre learn from Camby Randolph off the bench. I like Randolph's toughness and spirit. Hey lets get Raymond Felton. Can we??

clipperstown
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all i want back in return for zbo or kaman is expiring contracts. thats it.

LAC_12
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I think we all agree we cannot move EG to the bench, the man deseerves a starting spot and needs to develop as a star - stars are not benched. Al Thorton is tricky, I dont know what to say about him - he can perform very well as a starter, but he is inconsistent.

I say Kaman and Randolph need to go - whichever comes first.

And no way Griffin should play the 3 coming into the NBA, his skillset has him performing as a power forward.

sz123456
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I'm sure I'm sounding like a Laker Hater right now, but genuinely I can say that Al Thornton has more skill than Trevor Ariza. Ariza is a long gangly body that is meant for perimeter defense and uncontested 3-pointers (something anyone can do with practice).

Thornton has issues with his basketball IQ on defense, but on offense he is truly skilled. He has the ability to create his own shot, not just clean up garbage and finish alley-oops like Ariza.

NUMB3RFIFTY
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If it was possible, i would get rid of Randolph for a pack of Starburst.

LAC_12
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I completely agree, but as of right now Ariza is better. You cannot teach hustle and hard work - and Ariza embodies that. I dont expect anything else as a product of UCLA, but he has the right tools with his physical capabilities and he is taking full advantage of it.

Unlike our 7 foot center. I wont get into that right now though, Thorton needs to get in the game mental, and as you mentioned increase his IQ.

Great post.

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1st, I'm still hoping to get Ben Wallace's contract for Zach but that doesn't look likely with the Shaq trade rumor. I like the Starburst deal also.

2nd, Trade Kaman for Hinrich as insurance on if Baron tanks again. I do think Baron will have a good season next year but Hinrich can also play 1-3.

3rd, Kaman to Detroit for Prince. Prince has a winning mentality and game that would nicely fill a hole in our roster.

If we do any of the above three that will be a step in the right direction. I think Thorton will continue to develop. We have a good core we just need a PG and SF.

Im kind of anxious to see how much Ariza will get in his new contract after his play today.

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