WHAT PICK DO YOU THINK DEMAR DEROZEN WILL BE?

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GOOEYLOOEY
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I am sold on this guy after seeing him in the tournament. I think he can be as good as Ariza. He also has size and athleticism like Kobe. Good midrange game allready. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN TAKE GRIFFIN AND DEROZAN???

Tyler Hansborough would nice too. That is if we can get rid of Zach and Kaman.

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DeRozan will be a lottery pick, we'd have to give up Randolph, camby, or kaman for him.

SamMays
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DeRozan didn't do anything all year at USC until the last month when he played well. I don't trust it... His fundamental skills are less than great... I think either Jennings, Hill or DeRozan will be the bust of the draft... All three see to be about potential and none have accomplished anything... I also think one will be the find of the draft and the other will be mediocre... And, of course, I don't know which will be which...

Just the danger of drafting on potential. It's often not realized.

clippersforlife100
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derozan is weak he was only good in high school were he scored like what 30 a game. i remember when Compton came down to beverly hills to play us and yea he was athletic but i new he wouldn't be anywhere close to his game in high-school in college. i believe the biggest bust of the draft will be thabeet tho by far. this is really off-topic but im watching the nba 2002 draft where we selected chris wilcox as the 8 pick of the draft man we could of gotten amare stoudamire where he got selected right after wilcox

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I think about that Wilcox pick as well.. Of course, if you remember watching that college season and what Wilcox did for Maryland in the NCAA's, he seemed like a great pick. He was amazing in that tournament and was a freak athlete. His problem is, he never worked to get better and never developed any fundamental skills. To this day, he's no better as a shooter, a ball handler or with his offensive footwork than he was the day we drafted him.

And that's the problem with Hill and DeRozan. I think they're both considered lottery picks because of their athletic ability and not their basketball ability and that is very dangerous... Why haven't they developed better skill sets by now? Perhaps because they're not working as hard on developing them as they should?... They think their athleticism is enough? I know Hill has only been playing the game a few years. Why? Perhaps he doesn't love the game that much?... Is he only playing because he's 6'10" and athletic and knew it would be a path to riches, a al Benoit Benjamin?

A lot of these guys just don't develop (Gerald Green) , which is why I'd always choose a basketball player over an athlete. A basketball player has worked hard to develop skill sets. He loves the game... When you draft an athlete, you can only hope he develops a work ethic... Problem is, if they haven't by now, there's a good chance they never will.

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I do agree that drafting on basketball ability is the way to go and the safest option. But you gotta remember that most of these guys are 20 years old and to this point are doing what they do best to try and make it to the NBA. Cant you make the same assumptions about Rubio and even Griffin? Both of those guys lack a solid jumper yet, but it doesnt mean they arent currently or wont be putting in hard work to get better in the areas they are weaker. Hill may not love the game that much, but he works harder than most guys in his class and has gotten significantly better each year since he has started to play.

True, a lot of guys dont develop, but it is what it is. Drafting is one of those things. With some guys it is impossible to tell what they will or wont be able to do as their careers go on. Some teams want to take that risk on potential, and some teams pass up guys who end up being way better than the guy they drafted (we have done this often in the past).

We got very lucky this year in getting the #1 pick, and while getting Griffin is no guarantee, we got the easy way out of this draft that is full of players that are tough to evaluate. This draft is also tricky since teams might take a guy higher than he "should" go and the draft order after #1 might be surprising.

The final thought about Derozan for me is this- could he be a superstar? Possibly. He has a long way to go and his hops cannot be ignored. He has a chance to be a force if he puts in a ton of hard work. But, for our sake, I dont think it is worth it to try and trade with a team to get a pick that might not even secure DeRozan since this draft might throw some curveballs. We are better off drafting Griffin and then trading a big for a proven player whos skillset we know will fit into our lineup nicely.

SamMays
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I get what you're saying... But these two aren't the best example because they've accomplished so much. Griffin was clearly the best basketball player in college basketball. There is no doubt about that... Rubio, at only 18, has been playing exremely well on the world stage. Sure, neither is a great outside shooter, but both are very safe bets to be outstanding NBA players because of what they've already acheived, even if their outside shooting never improves beyond average....... Hill, Derozan, Jennings have a achieved nothing, dominated nowhere and also have skill sets that need lots of work. They are athletes and athletes don't always become basketball players at the NBA level...

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Cant you make the same assumptions about Rubio and even Griffin? Both of those guys lack a solid jumper yet, but it doesnt mean they arent currently or wont be putting in hard work to get better in the areas they are weaker.

I get what you're saying... But these two aren't the best example because they've accomplished so much. Griffin was clearly the best basketball player in college basketball. There is no doubt about that... Rubio, at only 18, has been playing exremely well on the world stage. Sure, neither is a great outside shooter, but both are very safe bets to be outstanding NBA players because of what they've already acheived, even if their outside shooting never improves beyond average....... Hill, Derozan, Jennings have a achieved nothing, dominated nowhere and also have skill sets that need lots of work. They are athletes and athletes don't always become basketball players at the NBA level...

Good points. I dont ever expect Hill, DeRozan or Jennings to dominate though. That isnt the player these guys are. Rubio and Griffin are more players who dominate/and or have huge impacts on the game. I am on the same page with you; I agree that these 3 guys specifically are good examples for what you are saying. I just think in general it is unfair to label a guy a certain way just because he didnt dominate somewhere.

This draft is definitely a unique one though. Tons of guys who are question marks and the draft order could really go a bunch of different ways. I expect most guys picked in the lottery to never be superstars, but more decent to good role players.

SamMays
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Not saying they should have dominated in college, or Europe, or that they should in the pros... Few do at the NBA level. My point is more that because they haven't dominated, or even been big-time college stars, they are much riskier bets than Griffin or Rubio.... And, of course, that's why they'll go lower in the draft.

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Rubio needs to be on the "bust" list as well he hasn't proved anything either. I agree with Sammays DeRozen didn't do anything until the tournament I damn near everygame and half the time I didn't know he was on the floor.

SamMays
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Derozan also shot all of 16 percent from the college 3 point line... An NBA SF needs to be able to shoot the ball with some range to be a factor... How much did Trevor Ariza help anyone until this year? Despite his athleticism, he was just a throw in player until he developed his shot this year.

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