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Just saw this.

From Ric Bucher's Twitter:

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I'd love to know what deal almost happened.

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Camby's gonna hate us.

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I think the Clips want to keep Camby, but they may be realizing that he's the only one that can be moved to get value in return. Ralnolph's attitude problems from the past and his contract make it difficult for a team to take him. Kaman's got a trade kicker that could be arround $6 million that has to be paid up front that no team is going to want to pay.

I'm getting really anxious though waiting for something to happen.

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let's guess who's gonna be coming for Camby .

Livingston and Sefolosha? hahaha

no way in the world is it gonna be Jeff Green.

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Maybe Camby for the 25th?

Iono...

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Earl Watson and Sefolosha make sense for both teams. We fill two needs while clearing up the log jam in the front court.

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The only thing i want from OKC is Durant or the third pick... That's it.

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yeah if we are moving camby only, then i say we get their 3rd pick. if we are moving camby and the first pick and minnys pick, then we get durant.

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There is no way we get the third pick from OKC in a deal centering around Camby. That team so far has made nothing but great decisions and getting rid of the 3rd pick makes no sense for them.

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Randolph + Thornton

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Durant + #3 pick

--- Plus or minus whatever it takes to salary match

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Should we send a case of vaseline to the Thunder to help with this deal?

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Hooch20 wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
Randolph + Thornton

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Durant + #3 pick

--- Plus or minus whatever it takes to salary match

Should we send a case of vaseline to the Thunder to help with this deal?

Don't drop the soap!

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dude they are not gonna trade a superstar for zach and Al!!! i'd definetly do Al + Randolph + our first overall pick + minnys future first rounder. they would HAVE to agree on that one.

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clipperstown wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
Randolph + Thornton

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Durant + #3 pick

--- Plus or minus whatever it takes to salary match

dude they are not gonna trade a superstar for zach and Al!!! i'd definetly do Al + Randolph + our first overall pick + minnys future first rounder. they would HAVE to agree on that one.

I hate unrealistic trade proposals just as much as anybody, but Durant is 99.99% sure he's going to opt out when the time comes. OKC knows that and i think they would appreciate getting a young piece like Thornton in return before they lose Durant in a bidding war.

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Exactly. If we said Thornton and Griffin for Durant, they'd have to consider it, Durant is gone.

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there's rumors floating around (aka blogger speculation) that the clippers are trying to get the 3rd pick and flaunting camby and whatever around.

no one else on OKC fits our needs. we're not looking for big men or expiring contracts. that knocks off everyone but westbrook, durant, sefalosha, green, and weaver. durant and westbrook are not going anywhere (at least not for camby), green is pretty much a poor man's thornton. as for sefalosha and weaver, we're better off keeping camby, although weaver might be a good look for a backup PG.

it HAD to be an attempt for that 3rd pick and its no secret that OKC is willing to shop it.

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I wonder if Nenad Krstic is involved? In any case, I hope we get Sefolosha out of this, I have yet to see anyone shut down D-Wade the way he did in the playoffs a few years back.

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You getting excited ekker? This means we might be getting your boy, Ricky Rubio

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NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
clipperstown wrote:
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Randolph + Thornton

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Durant + #3 pick

--- Plus or minus whatever it takes to salary match

dude they are not gonna trade a superstar for zach and Al!!! i'd definetly do Al + Randolph + our first overall pick + minnys future first rounder. they would HAVE to agree on that one.

I hate unrealistic trade proposals just as much as anybody, but Durant is 99.99% sure he's going to opt out when the time comes. OKC knows that and i think they would appreciate getting a young piece like Thornton in return before they lose Durant in a bidding war.

yeah i think Durant eventually wants out of middle america, but its not like he's gonna be a cancer in the process. OKC's understands he's extremely valuable considering he's only in his 3rd year and is beyond a franchise player. no way they'd settle for zach randolph and al thornton - if the clips originally drafted durant, would you?

(that'd be a SIIIIIIIIIICK team though)

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sz123456 wrote:
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it HAD to be an attempt for that 3rd pick and its no secret that OKC is willing to shop it.

You getting excited ekker? This means we might be getting your boy, Ricky Rubio

hells yes! you with me?

i bet it was camby and minny's first rounder for the 3rd pick. that seems reasonable.

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ekker3 wrote:
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it HAD to be an attempt for that 3rd pick and its no secret that OKC is willing to shop it.

You getting excited ekker? This means we might be getting your boy, Ricky Rubio

hells yes! you with me?

i bet it was camby and minny's first rounder for the 3rd pick. that seems reasonable.

If we didn't make a trade and we picked Rubio 1st overall, I think I'd break everything in my house. However if we get Rubio AND Griffin, I can't count how many alley-oops this team will have between Griffin, Thornton, and Deandre, maybe even Kaman too. I love the idea.

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Camby for 3rd pick gets me thinking: If this is the deal in the works, wouldn't it happen on the day of the draft? If Hasheem Thabeet is available, Thunder would probably be taking him over Camby, wouldn't they? I think this would depend on what Memphis does. A lot of speculation is that Rubio and his agent are warning the Grizz not to draft him, so they'll probably take Thabeet. I hope this is what's going on...

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ekker3 wrote:
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it HAD to be an attempt for that 3rd pick and its no secret that OKC is willing to shop it.

You getting excited ekker? This means we might be getting your boy, Ricky Rubio

hells yes! you with me?

i bet it was camby and minny's first rounder for the 3rd pick. that seems reasonable.

I understand that we could offer them the Minny pick and one of our futures, but I don't understand why the Thunder would want Camby. The only players we could take to free up any money for the Thunder would be Collison or Kristic. Maybe a third team gets involved.

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Well technically Camby would be freeing up money for the Thunder for 2010. Their goal is probably to create a contender for Durant in 2010 so he'll be happy and stay in Oklahoma. In the meantime, they want shot-blocking and most people think that Memphis is taking Thabeet.

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ekker3 wrote:
sz123456 wrote:
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it HAD to be an attempt for that 3rd pick and its no secret that OKC is willing to shop it.

You getting excited ekker? This means we might be getting your boy, Ricky Rubio

hells yes! you with me?

i bet it was camby and minny's first rounder for the 3rd pick. that seems reasonable.

YES YESS YES!!!! if we can pull this off, it will be the best draft for a single team in NBA history!!!!!!i can see it now........

Ralph: Rubio behind the back pass to blake griffin, Blake...... SLAM DUNK!

OH ME OH MY! What a JAM by the clippers' new rookie duo!!!!!!!!

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It would be ideal, but we would still have to find a taker for Baron.

You can't draft Rubio and then Not start him

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if we draft rubio, then we will trade baron and camby for t mac. then we will sit t mac out(shut him down) for the season, cause he has an expiring contract. or, knowing t mac, we can start him for like 10 games and then he'll get injured lol.

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LOL yeah i'll go Baron for Tmac

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Dunleavy would disagree, considering how long he benched Gordon. Gordon wasn't even part of the 2nd unit, he just wasn't playing at all. Also it wouldn't be a terrible idea to bring Rubio off the bench, he IS pretty young and would have to adjust to NBA style.

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I'm still not sold on this trade Baron stuff he was here for one bad season we trade him then we have another bad season we trade whooever is the highest opn the poles then. We were not a playoff team the previous season we still sucked and did so before that we need to look a the front office.

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Assuming that Grizzlies get Rubio and we get the 3rd pick , who do we choose?

Harden,Jennings,Curry,Hill,Evans?

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That's why I think it would be a draft day trade because I don't think we want any of those players.

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sz123456 wrote:
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Assuming that Grizzlies get Rubio and we get the 3rd pick , who do we choose?

Harden,Jennings,Curry,Hill,Evans?

That's why I think it would be a draft day trade because I don't think we want any of those players.

Evans is a close third to rubio in this draft for me. evans is a big guard who would be a nice fit next to gordon who is a bit undersized. evans can score and handle the ball well and is supposedly a decent playmaker. he also is a very confident and competitive player.

that would be crazy though if we pulled of a trade draft day that is this big.

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This is Ric Bucher's (espn reporter) answer to someones question via twitter:

"Trying like heck to move one of their bigs, Kaman or Camby. (Moving Zach just beyond possibility.) Cutting costs everywhere"

"Clips were confident they had a Kaman deal 48 hrs ago. That changed last night. Camby to OKC is still out there right now."

Sounds like we were really close to trading kaman this past week but it fell through. maybe it will get revisited again draft night. also, it wasnt on ric buchers site, but I read somewhere that the camby to OKC trade would be straight salary dump- i dont think we get the #3 pick for camby straight up.

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If that's the case, maybe we're interested in a free agent this summer, instead of a free agent next summer (when Camby's contract expires). Tayshaun? Odom? Ariza?

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This is Ric Bucher's (espn reporter) answer to someones question via twitter: "Trying like heck to move one of their bigs, Kaman or Camby. (Moving Zach just beyond possibility.) Cutting costs everywhere" "Clips were confident they had a Kaman deal 48 hrs ago. That changed last night. Camby to OKC is still out there right now." Sounds like we were really close to trading kaman this past week but it fell through. maybe it will get revisited again draft night. also, it wasnt on ric buchers site, but I read somewhere that the camby to OKC trade would be straight salary dump-....

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Ric Bucher responded to me on twitter saying that the Kaman deal was with Cleveland, but that's all he knows for now.

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Even if Rubio is available, the Clips should take Jrue Holliday if they, in fact, get the #3 pick. As long as they get Griffin, I will be happy though.

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Can you ask Bucher what the OKC and Camby deal would be?

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I think the Thunder just had an interview with Rubio in L.A.

Also, there's that rumor about Boston dangling Rondo and Allen to move up. What if we could could work out a three way deal with OKC and Boston, where Rondo comes to the Clips? Just wishful thinking, but I would love to have Rondo on the team. I don't want to part with the #1 overall pick though...

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i dont understand the camby trade and why we would only do it for a salary dump considering he 1.) is a contributing force, and 2.) has an expiring contract.

it doesnt make any sense whatsover.

and nbadraftexpress has mentioned that memphis WILL NOT draft rubio. they're either shopping it or drafting someone else.

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The LA times has an article today about predicting drafts and the feature line is about the Clippers screwing up by announcing the would take Griffin, then backtracking because they got in trouble, but showcasing him in the workout to prove they are serious. then it talked about how the Clips want to dump some salary and the most likely to go are Kaman (although the Times believes no one would want him) and Camby (because a lot would want him). No mention of anyone else.

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Exactly, it doesn't make sense to me, he as a player is valuable, and his contract is valuable. I'm confused, I feel like I have no idea what the front office is trying to do

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Baron Davis>Ricky Rubio. if clippers want to draft rubio go ahead but he is coming of the bench as a backup. if baron leaves then ill be really upset. if harden is available i would take him in a heartbeat.

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Bucher is just guessing that we have a deal out there to dump salary. Every single ESPN writer suggests that we are in a salary dumping mode, yet there is no evidence of this. The team states that they are no way trying to dump salary, and I'll believe them until they show otherwise.

For us to make a deal with the Thunder a third team would most likely have to be involved. The Thunder could take Camby, maybe the Wizards get a future first or two, and we get the 5th pick from Washington along with a contract or two. This gives the Thunder the defensive minded center they were after in the Chandler deal last year. The Wizards get a future first and save between 15-20 million in salaries and luxury tax payment. We clear up the log jam in the front court and get a huge asset in the 5th pick.

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Yeah I question how much Bucher knows the details since he says there is no possibility we can move Randolph. Im sure the market is tough out there right now for him, but anything is possible.

But yeah, I agree with everyone else who thinks its crazy to make a salary cap move when it is one of the worst times in our teams history to do so. This year we finally have some really valuable pieces and can afford to move someone since we got Griffin, and we are trading for cap space? No way. We really need to take advantage of this opportunity to make our selves better.

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Anyone one on twitter should get at Bucher now. He's says he's on his way to the airport to fly to NY for the draft and we'll answer questions while he's waiting to board the flight. Someone needs to ask him about the Camby deal and where he thinks our two guys could end up.

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Trading for players is one thing, but trading for the 3rd pick won't happen until after the 2nd pick and the Clips can be assured of getting Rubio. Someone wanted to draft Jrue. Why? All he has proven so far is that he can average 8 points a game in college while shooting 30% from the 3. Can't gamble a high pick on that. OK is not going to trade their franchise player for Camby and a future pick. A trade might do down but not that one.

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I think at this point the Clips would trade either Kaman or Camby if they could land a high lottery pick regardless if Rubio was on the board.

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