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I would as well, if we knew it to be true... To get the civil suit where the money is, you have to make the accusation. If she lied about the r*** to make money, she wouldn't be the first... I'm not saying she did or didn't... I just put forth Zach's record as more evidence that he's a knucklehead who I think we'd be better off moving away from. The Kobe r*** charge has nothing to do with my point.

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I side with Clippernation on this one. One r*** charge far outweighs all of Zach's crimes combined

I would as well, if we knew it to be true... To get the civil suit where the money is, you have to make the accusation. If she lied about the r*** to make money, she wouldn't be the first... I'm not saying she did or didn't... I just put forth Zach's record as more evidence that he's a knucklehead who I think we'd be better off moving away from. The Kobe r*** charge has nothing to do with my point.

well you know what guys, kobe has 1 fellony, but has 4 championship rings to show for it. the rings out weigh the fellony. nobody remembers that. but people still remember zach and the Jailblazers, cause zach is not a winner, and has never had a winning attitude. if he did have a winning attitude, then he would have quickly improved himself as a player and a person. he would have gotten skinnier, worked on his Defense, and improved his behavior. kobe won a ring after his inccident( or a few rings, dont remember exactly when it happened), and zach is still nkown as a thug. thats the diff between kobe and zach.

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I see both sides. Yes Kobe did win after that but if we are gonna judge someones character.. you can't say oh he had a r*** charge but at least he's a winner. Lets all try to separate off the court issues with play on the court please. I understand judging him for a bad locker room presence, lack of leadership or bad attitude on the court.. but lets not get into off the court crimes.. because athletes are citizens like the rest of us.. and do dumb crap too.

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Well, I'm not to fond of Zbo's antics off the court. But, you know, if he can come back this year and at least be a good citizen in the locker room and on the court......he can go out at night cross dressed as a drunken transvestite, just so long as he doesn't bother anybody. So long as he comes dressed in a Clipper uniform and gives us 20/10 at game time. There have been others who shaped up as they got a little older. There have been others who hit rock bottom and climbed their way back. There is always hope for Zbo as well. He's not in jail at the moment. Hope springs eternal. Maybe the Griz will give us Mark Gasol for him and then Kaman will really be expendable.

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I side with Clippernation on this one. One r*** charge far outweighs all of Zach's crimes combined

I would as well, if we knew it to be true... To get the civil suit where the money is, you have to make the accusation. If she lied about the r*** to make money, she wouldn't be the first... I'm not saying she did or didn't... I just put forth Zach's record as more evidence that he's a knucklehead who I think we'd be better off moving away from. The Kobe r*** charge has nothing to do with my point.

well you know what guys, kobe has 1 fellony, but has 4 championship rings to show for it. the rings out weigh the fellony. nobody remembers that. but people still remember zach and the Jailblazers, cause zach is not a winner, and has never had a winning attitude. if he did have a winning attitude, then he would have quickly improved himself as a player and a person. he would have gotten skinnier, worked on his Defense, and improved his behavior. kobe won a ring after his inccident( or a few rings, dont remember exactly when it happened), and zach is still nkown as a thug. thats the diff between kobe and zach.

Kobe has no felonies first up. The case was dropped, he paid her before a civil trial. Second are you saying that because you win you are allowed to have felonies? Zach is not a winner, but neither was Kobe for 10 years. Yes he won three rings, but playing behind Shaquile O'neal. He finally won his first being the man after 13. Kobe according to his teammates and coach was a headache. He switched up because he wants people to put him before Jordan and Shaq.Zach could have woken up and realized he is not the Star of a team, how do we know? He still has not done an interview yet. But if he is willing to play second fiddle to Blake to stay in one place and try and cement his future, who are we to say because he has not won he can't change?

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As usual, often agree with Sam. Zack's repeated thuggery and irresponsibility show a total lack of character. He will always be that way unless he joins the church of G W Bush and is redeemed (Sorry for the politics). His actions were not "serious" true but they show a repeated disrespect for the law the public (DUI) and to the NBA in general

As far as Kobe, it was a one time thing, not a pattern. I don't like the man but the r*** stuff is a bit out of line. , Please check the definition of r***. It was generally acknowledged it was consensual sex. What (allegedly) happened was that he wanted to do something she didn't want to do and he did it anyway. I read somewhere that he told police that he left, shall we say, a deposit on her face after she said No. He could have been set up. It happens a lot. He's rich and was an easy mark.She may have changed her mind at the last minute. She was mentally unstable and probably high. She may have gone psycho. I can tell you for sure they're a lot of psycho women out there.

She dropped charges and got a big payday. It doesn't mean he's guilty. It may mean that he doesn't want the fact that he likes to pick up hookers on Sunset Blvd and he wears a panty girdle made public, and believe me it would come out in Discovery. Maybe he didn't want his wife to be shamed.

Kobe was STUPID. This was a one time event and unlike Zack he'll never do it again.

DTS would never pay Jaric

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SamMays wrote:
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I side with Clippernation on this one. One r*** charge far outweighs all of Zach's crimes combined

I would as well, if we knew it to be true... To get the civil suit where the money is, you have to make the accusation. If she lied about the r*** to make money, she wouldn't be the first... I'm not saying she did or didn't... I just put forth Zach's record as more evidence that he's a knucklehead who I think we'd be better off moving away from. The Kobe r*** charge has nothing to do with my point.

You're right, it does happen.

I am a personal injury attorney in Virginia, and I can tell you that people do in fact lie and/or exaggerate in order to get money. Sometimes, the insurance companies will just pay up to make something go away. We call it nuisance money.

I find it fairly likely, that the woman that accused Kobe grossly over exaggerated things. I think she knew who he was, and took advantage of a situation that Kobe should have never put himself in.

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clipshow wrote:
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I side with Clippernation on this one. One r*** charge far outweighs all of Zach's crimes combined

I would as well, if we knew it to be true... To get the civil suit where the money is, you have to make the accusation. If she lied about the r*** to make money, she wouldn't be the first... I'm not saying she did or didn't... I just put forth Zach's record as more evidence that he's a knucklehead who I think we'd be better off moving away from. The Kobe r*** charge has nothing to do with my point.

well you know what guys, kobe has 1 fellony, but has 4 championship rings to show for it. the rings out weigh the fellony. nobody remembers that. but people still remember zach and the Jailblazers, cause zach is not a winner, and has never had a winning attitude. if he did have a winning attitude, then he would have quickly improved himself as a player and a person. he would have gotten skinnier, worked on his Defense, and improved his behavior. kobe won a ring after his inccident( or a few rings, dont remember exactly when it happened), and zach is still nkown as a thug. thats the diff between kobe and zach.

Kobe has no felonies first up. The case was dropped, he paid her before a civil trial. Second are you saying that because you win you are allowed to have felonies? Zach is not a winner, but neither was Kobe for 10 years. Yes he won three rings, but playing behind Shaquile O'neal. He finally won his first being the man after 13. Kobe according to his teammates and coach was a headache. He switched up because he wants people to put him before Jordan and Shaq.Zach could have woken up and realized he is not the Star of a team, how do we know? He still has not done an interview yet. But if he is willing to play second fiddle to Blake to stay in one place and try and cement his future, who are we to say because he has not won he can't change?

im saying he hasnt changed according to this year. but yes, it does depend on if zach excepts the sixth man role on this team or not.

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Was Zach Randolph Nearly a Grizzly?

Posted: 6/27/2009 4:23:00 AM

Source: Ronald Tillery of the Memphis Commercial Appeal

The Grizzlies had agreed in principle to acquire power forward Zach Randolph on Thursday night but Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling later nixed the trade, according to two NBA sources.

During the NBA Draft, executives from both teams hammered out a package with Randolph and Darko Milicic as the key pieces. Griz guard Greg Buckner would also have been included in the transaction.

The Griz ended up dealing Milicic to the New York Knicks for swingman Quentin Richardson after they waited on a final answer from the Clippers and received a "no."

Los Angeles selected power forward Blake Griffin with the No. 1 overall pick.

Power forward is a position where the Griz need the most help. This was Memphis' second flirtation with a Randolph deal over the past year.

this was indeed a true rumor, got this iff hoopsworld

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What exactly did Zach do that stretches the law before his DUI?( As a pro) Being a knucklehead and breaking the law are two different things. Being on the Jailblazers does not exactly make you a jailbird. We still before judgment have to wait and see how he responds to his demotion. And please do not say that because the Kobe witness did not want to testify you know what happened, and because you did something once you should be forgiven.

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im not really sure, but before all of this breaking the law stuff that someone started, i stated that we have to get rid of the guy cause he will kill our locker room. idk and idc about the laws that he broke, cause really, its not like we are his brothers, or his family to worry about his personal life outside of basketball. we know him for playing basketball, and one reason i want to get rid of him is cause of the locker room **** and the influence he'll have on B. Griffin.

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Look, I am not sure why I am brought into this, 23. Leave me out of your rants. It is not about winning an argument...it's about the behavior towards others...kinda like some of your posts. You can make arguments all you want but when you cross the line by calling others names or trying to ridicule them while making them, then you will be warned.

If you have a problem with me, direct it at me, please! Don't use an argument with someone else to cheap shot me when you just arrived to this site.

Go back and look at threads about Randolph and see who was making an argument for Randolph. Yeah, that's right, I was defending him. Hell, I

even had some heated arguments with Sam about him.

The difference between you and SamMays is that he NEVER makes the arguments personal, you sometimes do. Hence the phrase, "pissing contest".

23, before you start assuming and accusing, you better have your facts straight before taking that plunged on things you know nothing about.

No one has been banned for making the argument for Randolph, if that were true, I would have been banned a long time ago.

Instead of making those ignorant remarks and accusing someone of something that isn't true, try and do a little research before opening your internet mouth. It isn't the arguments you make, it's about the tactics you use to make them. it is using those remarks ( in bold) that will get you in trouble. I swear, if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

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BA ZING! LOL.

On a side note.. here is a Family guy quote.

"Did you hear that Meg? Guys can marry other guys now. So...this is awkward, but I mean, if they can do that, that is pretty much it for you, isn't it? I mean you may as well pack it in. Game over." Stewie

dee
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hey guys,

i heard the deal was for darko and buckner, for randolph. then sterling nixed the deal. i think zach is a good offensive player who can create his own shot. camby has difficulty doing that.

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why the clippers would traded big for big except to dump salary is beyond me.

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General NBA fans in other forums are talking so much crap on us for not taking this "get out of jail free" card. And I don't blame them, Sterling dropped the ball on this one. Damn. Sad

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I am sure this has been mentioned already but I wouldn't mind Quentin Richardson being traded for Zach along with maybe the Griz giving us a future pick. Richardson would address our need for another SG/SF and I am not entirely sure but I think he is an expiring contract as well.

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It looks like we would still have to take Buckner to make the salaries match.

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every nba website now says that it is official that sterling "nixed" the randolph deal. I don't know what he was thinking and it makes no sense. Sterling loves money and 16 million off our backs would have been perfect. There are so many reports saying he stopped the trade, but its not something sterling would usually do.

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yup Q has a year left on his contract, i would love to get him and have him backup EG

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I think sterling did the right thing. I dont like Randolph just as much as the next guy, but if you are trading a guy that legit gets a double/double every night, get some value in return, screw cap relief. Lets win. Buckner? Come on. Sterling finally made a good move in my eyes. Lets trade Zack, but its early in the summer and if one team is willing to bite, there have to be others. lets not jump the gun and trade him for greg buckner and cap relief.

atta boy sterling. lets keep the trend of smart basketball decisions going

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I think people make the mistake of thinking that trading for cap relief is trading for nothing... It isn't... The money that is taken off our books can then be spent on a player who will help us more that Zach will...That trade would have given us 4-5 million more to spend this year and as much as 20-million to spend next year, depending on the lengths of the Grizz contract guys...

Sterling should have taken the deal. I'd hate to go into camp with Zach still on the roster.

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I like Z-Bo on this team he adds a toughness factor we desperatley need. No telling how many wins we wouldn't have if not for Z-Bo coming up big for us. Crazy how he went from savior of the franchise to trade bait he deserves another season to help us along with Baron. WE are the Clippers people we sucked before these players got here and we couldn't manage young talent before these players got here to put sole blame on these players after one season is absurd in my opinion.

If your looking for a target look at the people who have been a part of this organization for years during our losing ways and remove them to bring forth a new culture to this franchise.

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How about we trade for q rich, his contracts up this year and off the bench Id love to see Q back bustin 3s in a clippers jersey

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I completely agree!!

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Well, of course you're right about that, but the one you're referring to is DTS and he's not going anywhere, so there's no point in talking about that...

The thing that has changed and gives us hope for the future is that Sterling has finally shown a willingness to open his wallet. We no longer have to try to compete with one hand tied behind our back.

That's what made last year even more frustrating. We had talent on paper, but it was the wrong talent. It was a bad mix of players (particularly some of the veterans) who folded in their tent once the injuries hit. If they had battled, they couldn't have saved the season, but they could have made me believe we'd gotten the right guys, with the right kind of character, for the coming season... They didn't do that.

Baron, Kaman and Zach, our three most highly paid players, were especially disappointing. Baron was never in shape and quit on the team. Kaman was a knucklehead who took forever to heal and Zach was suspended twice, while somehow never spotting an open teammate or bothering to play defense.

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Q was my all time favorite player

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DTS did the right thing. I hear a lot of people talk about winners and some of those same people are talking about Bring Jaric back I like him more than Baron. Are you kidding me? Then you try to assasinate Zach character by bringing up stuff he did 13 years ago, Mike Taylor got arrested for stealing too. Cough syrup that's why he was kicked outta college. What do you think Zach would steal now? Sac's coach got a DUI, senators and all kind of "so called responsible" people have got them. I even have one and I was pulled over for NO reason other than profiling. I had never been in trouble with the law other than minor tickets but I was totally legit besides being a little tipsy. I asked him why he pulled me over he said I didn't have a light in my license plate,lol. Which was BS the next day I looked and there was a light.

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Q still takes too many ill advised shots. DTS did a good job nixing the trade. zach is a good player, and great on offense, where the clips are hurting.

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Win what? 30 games? We make this deal and it opens up minutes for Griffin and cap relief. That's a 2 for 1 in my eyes. Don't know how that's a bad thing.

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bad trade... glad it didn't happen.. who the hell would want those to players, plus they both have 2 year contracts just like Zach.. good rejection by DTS..

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yeah i'm with the clippers on this one - they can do better than a straight salary dump - and I like zach a lot - he's a good person - he's means well - not sure he has the best judgment - probably didn't have a lot of guidance growing up - but he's a big sweet kid - he really is.

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Let's hope they can do better. For the Blazers and Knicks to give him up for basically nothing, it's hard to believe teams will give the Clips more in return.

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How many teams will be under the cap and even be able to take on Zach, let alone willing? Not dumping him was a mistake... And that trade would have saved us 13-million dollars over two years to spend on someone else. It wasn't a dump in that we could have gotten something for him by using the money saved to do it... Now, we may well be stuck with him.

Of course, we can look at the bright side. There's a good chance he gets suspended again. Smile

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acquitted of a felony!! because of a settlement.... oppose zachs misdemeanors and EVERYYYYONE gets dui in nba

look what your bringing up....under age drinking....wow just like the REST OF THE WORLD...

ur just hating on zach because theres been an obvious war between keeping zach and the ones who want him out to loose some more games...lol and bring MARCO JARIC AND GREG BUCKNER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and its also obvious the ones who make the argument for zach wins with clipper joe bans....

lol pissing contest??? more like logic contest

Look, I am not sure why I am brought into this, 23. Leave me out of your rants. It is not about winning an argument...it's about the behavior towards others...kinda like some of your posts. You can make arguments all you want but when you cross the line by calling others names or trying to ridicule them while making them, then you will be warned.

If you have a problem with me, direct it at me, please! Don't use an argument with someone else to cheap shot me when you just arrived to this site.

Go back and look at threads about Randolph and see who was making an argument for Randolph. Yeah, that's right, I was defending him. Hell, I

even had some heated arguments with Sam about him.

The difference between you and SamMays is that he NEVER makes the arguments personal, you sometimes do. Hence the phrase, "pissing contest".

23, before you start assuming and accusing, you better have your facts straight before taking that plunged on things you know nothing about.

No one has been banned for making the argument for Randolph, if that were true, I would have been banned a long time ago.

Instead of making those ignorant remarks and accusing someone of something that isn't true, try and do a little research before opening your internet mouth. It isn't the arguments you make, it's about the tactics you use to make them. it is using those remarks ( in bold) that will get you in trouble. I swear, if you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you.

lol 1st off trouble!!! lol this is a clipper forum buddy ...im not sure this could be ur shtik u know, what ur all about joe..being the moderator n all...but it aint mine...i come here to defend the cause of ignorance against my team

and if anyone feels hurt or less adequate and feels im taking personal shots at them..im sorry and i suggest you go out a little, see the stars..sky..take a deep breath. go to a movie ....take joe with you please Smile

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from twitter - vernon is very close to chris wallace, etc

ChrisVernonShow I think there is still a decent chance that Zach Randolph wears a Grizzlies uni next year. Maybe Q Rich contract is used to make it happen?

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Q Rich for Zach, wouldn't mind that one bit, would love to have Quentin back

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Maybe Q-rich and Hakim Warrick? They would still have a $10 mil gap with just Q-rich. I think the trade would work out great for both teams. Warrick wouldnt really have a spot since Rudy G ay takes all the SF minutes and Z Bo and Arthur will take all the PF min. and maybe some PF min. and of course Gasol needs to fit in there some how.

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I realize he's not the best we could get in return for Z-Bo but he has an expiring deal and I would certainly welcome him back with open arms. I realize he has big flaws in his game but he's really one of my favorite clips of all time. I have both the '83 and '87 Q Rich throwback jerseys

But like Clipperboy24 said, Q Rich and Warrick sounds good to me. Expiring deals and players with the right positions to give us depth. Maybe they sign Q ross and toss him in too? Now i'm just being greedy Smile

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Haha Q ross Q Rich and Warrick would be perfect, but it would be Rich and Warrick more realistically, which I definitely wouldn't mind. Two nice role players to give us a stronger bench.

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I just think our roster is getting pretty full, and not sure if DUn wants Q. Ross back.

I have always had a soft spot for Q-Rich. Would love to have him and his long range bombs back!

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If we can move Zach (for Q Rich) or whoever, we need to do it. Getting below the cap is very advantageous in this league. That's why were were able to get Camby for nothing last year... If we can get there again, other bargains can be had that will improve the team... That's why a salary dump isn't really a salary dump... If you spend the money wisely, it can be a very quick way to improve your team.

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Didn't even think about Warrick, that would be awesome, he has a Qualifying Offer that I think he'll take. But realistically it would be Q-Rich/Buckner, and I'm fine with that.

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Wow.. if we could do that.. Get Q Rich, then have his and Camby's contracts come off the books next season...

That's, what? 17-18 mil of cap space freed up... while still having a strong starting 5. (Davis, Gordon, Thornton, Griff, Kaman)

Is D-Miles still under a Grizz contract? Bringing back that pair might be a fun (albeit novel) way to get some season ticket holders back in the seats.

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Not a fabulous deal, but a good deal. Q Rich would be the b/up swingman we've been looking for. Not Gerald Wallace, but OK and wouldn't block Al's development. And Q Rich is multi-talented: He can post up and rebound, but also fill it up as a wingman. Could be the right deal for Z-Bo.

The Griz don't have much else to offer that would sweeten it (they like Warrick, he's a good locker room guy so he won't be available). They could take Ricky's contract from us. But they might also want us to take Jaric's contract. Jaric would be OK (defensive minded combo guard ... we wanted one but he might not be of the level you guys want). If they included Marko, our roster would be pretty full and not much room left to add to the bench. what would we use the MLE on?

And of course I would love to see these guys back in LAC red&white&blue!

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ya thats what baron davis wants....qrich for zach and clear up space for next season...

dunleavy cant afford a next season...

lol qrich for zach?????? u guys serious about that?

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It seems pretty obvious that teams are not willing to offer much for Zach. At this point, his value on the open market is expiring contracts and/or junk.

Yes, yes, yes.. We all realize that Zach is a 20/10 guy. However, most teams perceive us as NEEDING to dump him, and thus they think that they can get him at a bargain. Any trade scenarios have to include this perception in the equation.

We are not going to get value for Zach, Camby, or Kaman. Period. The best we can do is hope for potential value. This is why an expiring contract scenario would work best.

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Not a perception so much as a fact. Everyone who has gotten Zach has given up nothing for him. Camby was also acquired for nothing, though I think Denver made a huge mistake in doing so and Camby, hopefully, could return something of value...

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The grizz were offering Jaric, Buckner and cash for Z-boat. Although q. rich is a better choice then Jaric. Its not much better. The grizz are gonna have to bring a better deal then that. If the Grizz sign David Lee then we may lose our trade partner for Z- Boat. They are said to be interested in Lee. Hopefully they will offer a better player for Z-boat. The only thing is that they dont want to give us some of their better players. Unless maybe they throw in a pick or something.

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It's sounding like David Lee is going to sign an offer sheet with either Oklahoma or Memphis. If he goes to Memphis we can count out Zach going there.

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