Can we make a trade for Jason Kidd? Cassel Maggette Livingst

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clippersblue
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We need to win now while we have this team. What would it take to get Jason Kidd? Would they trade Maggette and Cassell and Livingston straight up, (I know they would have done this trade in January and we wouldn't of) and then maybe they could ship Maggette to the Lakers and Odom to New Jersey. Reports say that New Jersey is interested in Odom. Lakers would love that because that would free cap space for next year or they could resign Maggette since he is friends with Kobe. So we get a veteran, point guard, the best in the business, surrounded by Brand, Kaman, Thorton, Ross, Mobley. Keep in mind, Maggette is going to leave no matter what we do. Do we want the cap space, and risk Brand leaving too. No, forget it. I wouldn't do the trade, I don't want to give up that much cap space for an injury prone point guard, (Who is the second best in the league). Cassel Maggette and Livingston make a good amount of cap space relief for a team that is looking to get rid of a player. Who would we want though for them.

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clipper*joe
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Great Player but will never happen. He would be the ideal player for this team. He could create offense with his passing and can hit the outside shot. There is no way the Nets would take Cassell ( last year) Livingston( uncertain with injury) and Maggette(the only benefit of this trade) for Kidd. I also think Kidd's career is winding down (13 seasons). He would only be able to give a 2 year window just like Cassell. Also, do you know for a fact that Maggette will leave? He has the starting spot this season. Things are all patched between the coach and Maggette. Finally, Jason Kidd is an IRON MAN. He is not injury prone. In the last 2 seasons he played 80 games each ( missed 2 games in each of those seasons). His only bad season was 50 games back in 98-99 season. Jason Kidd is a stud.

clippersforlife33
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lol lakers declined the andrew bynum for jason kidd. nets wanted to trade kidd for bynum hah. and u wana throw maggette cassell and livingston in there? no way.

jlemmen43
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Maggette, Cassell and Livi for Jason Kidd (and maybe an athletic bench player of theirs) doesnt sound too bad...but I still wouldnt do it. What Cassell does for this team is amazing. We NEED him this year!!!

thehonoraryfan
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If we are certain that Maggette walks, Cassell won't bounce back, and Livingston won't even play this season, then I'd do the trade no doubt...but those are all ifs, big ifs. I honestly think if the coach and CM have worked out their issues, then he would stay, Cassell will bounce back, and I just have a feeling we'll see Livingston before next season ends. Besides, no way NJ would be interested...

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The Corey/Liv trade for Kidd sounds kinda OK but where are the Nets going to put Corey? Jefferson or Vince on the bench? Sam's not going to like going from big dog to lil' pup and we need him. Anyone would be crazy to sign Shaun unitil about 3 yrs injury free. Again, I think Corey is going to perform at near all-star level. Also this isn't the yr to think about salary cap. This year is a pivotal yr and we HAVE to kick it in the PO's. We have to keep EB interested. Sam and Liv will be gone nxt yr and we'll have some space. (Corey, Q, EB all costing $$ to sign) Tax ain't bad if nxt yr it can land us an Arenas.

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If Corey is traded....who cares what position he will play in Jersey. Once a player leaves , worrying about his playing time or position is far from my mind. But that won't happen. Anyways, Coach already said that he will start. So that means Corey is off the trading block...for now. I keep looking at posts about TRADE COREY! TRADE COREY! WE NEED A PG. We have Cassel for 1 more year. All we need is a good back up not a starter. Livingston will be back. Hopefully by mid-season.

clippersblue
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They might want to get rid of Kids contract so that they could pick up a free agent in the 2008 class which is suppose to be the best ever. No, New Jersey doesn't need any of those players; however, they are assesst, not liablities and they all come off the books next year. Maggette makes 8 million, cassel 6 million, and livingston 4million which adds up to 18 million cap relief that they could use to get a free agent in 2008. And, they could use them to win in the east. They could also trade Maggette for some big man which they need. Like I said, they could trade Maggette for Odom. If kid can stay healthy, I do this trade. Even though we will have cap space in 2008, nobody is going to sign with us, and that a fact.

Cassel is going to go down. He is the most injury prone guard, so no we don't need a backup, we need a point guard.

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Some good points....However, if the trade was made do you think the clippers would sacrifice 3 starting positions for an ALLSTAR on his way out???? He will be on his 14th season. How much can he bring to the table at that stage in his career???? Same scenerio like Cassell when he came in except we would be giving away a whole lot more. That would also leave us in the same spot we are in now.... even worse! NO BACK UP PG!!!! No Maggette or Livingston!

Jersey would not take Livingston ....no one would. To trade for someone that is injured as bad as he is in order to clear space for the following season would be a carnal sin. You would be sending in your resignation letter as GM.

This deal would be bad anyway you slice it. I wouldn't buy a racing horse with a leg injury eventhough the chances were good that he would recover. That horse would have to heal and prove to me he could still run. And if the horse proved himself I would still try to buy him ...even at a higher price. The point is that livingston is untradable until he gets back on the court and proves he can still play. I have no doubt he will come back even better. If we keep him and he recovers well, we would not have to dump him ..... teams will come looking for him. Lets wait and see. Now if Jersey wants Lamar so bad why don't they swap ?????? They would free up Kidd's contract and get Lamar who you say they want.

G-Man04
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I don't think there is any chance Kidd will be traded since NJ resigned Carter. It's clear they want to try and make one more run at the Eastern Conference and they can't do that without Kidd. I think even at this stage of his career any team would love to have Kidd (word is he is absolutely tearing it up with the National squad) but I agree that the price would be WAY too high.

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Your right. Jason is tearing it up! I saw the Blue and White game last week on ESPN with Kobe hitting the last shot. That Kidd can work the open court.

I would love Kidd to be a Clipper but just like you said "the price is too high".

david
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Yeah Kidd is a great player but he costs too much $$$ and yup we'd lose a lot just to get him. Plus he's getting old and I'm not sure if he can keep healthy.

clippersblue
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Hey, John Stockton played till he was 39 or 40, Kidd is only 33 years old. Playing with a point guard like him makes every thing better. I do what it takes to bring him in, even if I had to sacrifice next years first round pick and Cassel Livingston and Maggette. Would New Jersey do this. I don't know, but what I am telling you is that Kidd is on the books for another two years at 20 million a year which is a lot of cap space. New Jersey is going know where with there line up and they need to make a change. Heck, I might even give Kaman for him though I think that price is to high. But hey, we should role the dice, and go for a championship.

Hey, maybe we can then trade maggette and Ross and a future first round picks, and the other protected for Jemaine Oneal.

Kidd

Mobely

Thorton

Brand

Oneal

Problem is that Sterling is two cheap to make this happen.

G-Man04
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Too cheap!?! In case you haven't noticed this team is OVER the salary cap - meaning they have spent the money. And, by the way, they have some pretty good players to show for it. The fact is they can't just make a trade for Kidd and/or O'neal just because that's what YOU think this team needs. Do you think NJ just re-signed Carter for 60mil to turn around and break-up the team? They are trying to make a run in an Eastern Conference that is clearly up for grabs. So the answer is NO! New Jersey won't do this. They entertained the thought of trading Kidd last year when it seemed inevitable that they could not resign Carter. Do you think Carter would have re-signed if he thought Kidd would not be there? Every team in the league would love to have Kidd but that's not the way it works.

Trade for Kidd AND O'neal? Not even in Fantasy Basketball could you pull that off. Hey, while your at it, let's trade Koralev, Diaz, and Paul Davis for KG!

You're starting to sound like a Laker fan!

jlemmen43
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Yeah Stockton played a long time...but take a look at the style he plays in comparison to Jason Kidd's style. Stockton ran around, played the perimeter and would sneak inside. Jason Kidd has a lot more athleticism and muscle, and his body takes much more of a beating than Stockton's did. Jason Kidd still has a lot left in him, but it's not worth tearing up this team just to get him. Plus the salary cap nightmare of the starting lineup listed above would be just insane. Probably not even possible.

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Great reply G-MAN04. It looks like Clippersblue wants to build a new dream team in L.A.- Can't hate em for that but what happened to our second Olympics dream team after Magic, Malone , Barkley , Bird etc. - were gone???? We got beat by no names.

At the rate Clippersblue wants to go, We will only have 3 great Names (players) and hit the salary cap! I wonder if the NBA would let us play with only 3 players on the floor???

I've always believed in a Player's sacrifice. Most of the great teams in history have had the greatest compilation of talent and humiliation. Talent doesn't mean getting the best player on paper but rather the best player who will be willing EXCEPT his part in that system. Most teams have 1 or 2 players that the system revolves around. All the others are role players. To me the role players play a much bigger part then the stars. Why? Because they are the ones that make the system work. The stars don't change or sacrifice for the team. The others do. Without them, it won't work. We have the stars lined up ....all we need is some good role players.

I get tired of reading about "3 of ours for one of them", "2 of ours for a big name". Jermaine O' neal is a GOOD PLAYER but I don';t consider him an ALL STAR. He is a hesitant player with limited physical talent. He became known because he has star quality. He is in my eyes "all hype" The name is more known then his accomplishments.

Now Kaman is more physical and faster than Jermaine. I've seen Kaman do amazing things . He can post, fake and block shots better than Jermaine. And guess what, we don't have to trade 3 players for him! We have on the roster. Sure he was injured for part of the season but so was Jermaine. If I'm not mistaken, Jermaine was out more than Kaman last year. I'm telling you, Kaman will be a force to recon with...you'll see.

You see, I believe in our core players that we have in our current roster and I'm loyal to the team. I understood what went wrong last year. Most of the blame fell on Dunleavy's lap. He has corrected some of them. Now the players have to find the chemistry they last in 2005-2006. here is my list of what went wrong;

  1. starting Livingston over Cassell too early.

    Livingston was not ready to start. It was not that he didn't have the talent but rather the confidence to run the team. It also caused tension for Cassell and Dunleavy. Cassell voiced his opinions during interviews which means he was not happy or ready to give up his spot....don't blame him for feeling that way.

  2. Too many starting line-up changes during the season.

    How can a team build chemistry when you have different lines-ups from game to game (sometimes).

    • before you say anything, some of the line-ups had nothing to do with injury.
  3. Maggette vs. Dunleavy- need I say more?

  4. Injuries.

    Kaman, Cassell and Livingston. Tell me these injuries would NOT have hurt

    any other teams chances of winning at least 2 to 4 games. This was the difference in making the play-offs.

  5. (weak argument) Mobley. Mobley got hurt at the end of SUNDAY"S MASSACRE against Sacremento. He was playing great at the time. That was his last game of the season. Had he been able to play we might have won our last 2 games and make the play-offs. Weak point but true.

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How about this trade:

Kidd for Cassell, T. Thomas, & Mobley. Resulting linups:

Clips

Kamen

Brand

Thorton

Maggette / Ross

Kidd

Nets

Thomas / Collins

Moore

Jefferson

Carter / Mobley

Cassell

This could be attrative for NJ. Cassell is solid and all other positions improve. They could make a run with this squad. Without this, they are restricted by cap space.

Also, if the Clips can get Navarro with their MLE, he could start at SG.

clipper*joe
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This trade doesn't look bad but I'm not sure if our players salaries have enough space for Kidd's contract ( 20 million). This doesn't look bad at all.

This will never happen but if a miracle occurred, then the only problem I see is who will we get to replace these players??? Will we have cap space to do it? Would we risk 3 positions Cassell (PG) Mobley(2 Guard)

Thomas (SF) for KIDD???? This is hard.... I wouldn't do it! Well let's see , Kidd would replace Cassell (upgrade) . Who would replace Mobley's offense.... Ross & Maggette can do the job...never mind. Thomas can be replaced with Thorton but we would be short on Forwards. We would also take a chance on a rookie, which would be a risk if we want to go deep in the playoffs.

Man, I am confused! The hell with it.... I would make the trade.

ether
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With all respect to Cassell, I don't think anyone wants to trade for him. He's 38 and had NUMEROUS injuries last year. Too risky. I wouldn't think any team would trade for him and make him their main PG option. The Nets would be in the same dilemma LAC is now: need a good 2nd PG for insurance.

And it might be demorailizing to LAC to lose such a catalyst.

This may look good in the EPSN "Trade Machine", but it's not liekly to happen.

ether
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I should also point out, that I like Cassell. He's been great for us. I did not mean to discount him in my previous post, just that he'd be a risk for other teams.

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