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Post subject: Clippers Team 2009 Analysis
 Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 01:39 AM PST
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With the successful draft and a relatively calm offseason for the Clippers, we can't help but be filled with great excitement. And unlike past years, for good reason. We have lots of talent on this roster and we just added the number one pick and "only sure thing" in Blake Griffin.
Now I have my doubts about certain aspects of our team but those doubts are greatly overshadowed by me excitement.
To preview we'll start with the front office/staff:
First off, Sterling has finally started to spend money, something we all knew last year and has continued this year solely on the fact that there has been no fire sale, thus far. (*let's cross our fingers*)
And I've been Dunleavy's biggest critic thus far, but I'm willing to give him another chance because, well, I have no other choice. But in his defense, he did take our team where we haven't been in a long time, and that was into the playoffs. There may have been some bad coaching moves here and there, but we were there one win away from the western conference finals, so I'll give him his due.
But I'm still bothered by the fact that he doesn't seem to get the most out of his personnel. As you all know, we had plenty of talent last year. There was no way, even with injuries, that we should've only won 19 games. That team had lots of young, athletic talent which makes you think up tempo. And obviously this is just my opinion, but I feel like Dunleavy is a fairly stubborn coach who thinks his relatively unproven methods are king of the castle. Because when Baron came in with his previous success in Nellie's run n' gun system, I thought for sure Dunleavy would try to somewhat emulate that and play to his best player's strengths. Not to mention the young talent we had around him, most notably Eric Gordon and Al Thornton. But as Blake Griffin said, the past is the past. So I'm willing to forget that in hopes that Dunleavy will forget about his past methods, and just focus on the team at hand. I think we can all agree that we have an extremely talented, albeit relatively unexperienced, team that would be best suited for an up tempo system. Just imagine Gordon in the open court with Baron handling the rock along with Thornton on the other wing and Blake trailing for an easy dunk. I get the chills just thinking about it! haha..
Going into the season, I'm praying Dunleavy loosens his hold on the team and let's the players play to their stengths, which is forgetting the half court game and pushing the ball. As a coach myself, the best advice I ever received was "the best thing a coach can do is teach, and let the players play." I hope Dunleavy sticks with that as his motto.
And now off to the players:
Damn we have a talented team!
Point Guard:
I've noticed on this site people are, in my opinion, a bit overly critical of Baron Davis. I'll be the first to admit he was very disappointing last year, but so were we all around. Just like Dunleavy, I'm willing to forget about it and give him another chance. Just think back a few years when he was the main catalyst of dethroning the Mavs in the first round of the playoffs as an 8 seed. Baron has the talent and the respect of his peers to lead this team if he wants to. And according to Twitter, he has been putting the work in over the offseason .
(Which leads me to another point, a bit off topic, but somewhat of a pet peeve of mine.. I think we should stop making too big a deal of our players working out and whatnot, because I mean virtually every NBA player is training, we just don't hear about some. So, as reassuring as it is, let's not go too far and say so and so will be above and beyond because he's working really hard. It's good our players are working out, but let's not forget everyone else is too. But it is a good thing, don't get me wrong, and I'm looking forward to seeing what all that work does for us into the season.)
But back to Baron, I think he will get back to his old self and will win back over some of the fans he completely lost. The talent on this team can only motivate him more into thinking he has the shot to lead them somewhere. His legacy may be on the line. He could be one of those uber-talented NBA players who collected his money and left, or he could be one of the key cogs in turning around (sorry to say it) the long tenured doormat of the league, Clippers. His playmaking ability will open up a lot for us offensively, and with teammates he knows can finish, he'll set them up for lots of easy looks that we all know will indeed be finished.
As far as the backup slot goes, it's a bit of a question, but an intriguing one at that. Mike Taylor has undeniable talent, and can be a great spark off the bench. I’m looking forward to see how much he has progressed since last year. But let’s not put him on a pedestal and say he is a Rajon Rondo equivalent. Rondo is on another level as a championship winning point guard, but that doesn’t take anything away from Taylor. The worst thing we can do is make those types of comparisons. Let’s just appreciate Taylor for who he is, Mike Taylor, and enjoy what he brings to the table which is energy, quickness, and the ability to be an explosive scorer (at times). That’s what bench players are all about. And whoever the roster filler is after Taylor, couldn’t be much more irrelevant. Alex Acker maybe? I don’t think anyone really cares, but at least he’s a young guy who can learn the game at his own pace and contribute sparingly when called upon.
Shooting Guard:
Ahh to the very promising Eric Gordon. One of the lone bright spots on our squad last year, let’s only pray he doesn’t pull an Al Thornton and show limited improvement from his rookie year to his sophomore year. But in now way do I think that’ll happen. I believe Gordon will make tremendous strides, especially with so many playmakers around him. He’ll face a lot of one on one’s and get a lot of open looks because of the cast around him. Especially in the open court, I see Gordon doing a lot of damage. I think this kid will be special, not so special that I’d deny the chance to acquire LeBron James as some have said here, but very special in that I think future all star appearances are not far out of reach for him. I look forward to watching him progress first hand through the years.
As for our backup slots, Ricky Davis and Fred Jones are talented bench players who can score the basketball and provide energy. As for Ricky Davis, I’ll get into his role here more when I get to Zach Randolph.
Small Forward:
Al Thornton is a big question for me, personally. He has the talent, no doubt about that, but I would’ve liked to see him progress more as a player than last year. And I think that goes back to Dunleavy not putting him in positions to succeed, running isos for him instead of getting him into the open court. But as I stated before, I’m leaving the past as the past and with Thornton possessing plenty of talent, I can only be optimistic he can return to being one of the Clippers prominent nucleus pieces.
Our backups are virtually interchangeable from the 2, as Fred Jones and Ricky Davis occupy these slots, as well.
Power Forward:
I’m not going to go too much in Griffin, as we all know he is a “beast”. I can only imagine seeing him running the break with Baron and Gordon and getting that alley-oop and seeing that sea of red jump out of their seats. But my real problem with this position is Zach Randolph, and this is where everyone seems to disagree.
Now remember this is only my opinion, but I just don’t think Zach will be an important factor on any winning team. He has loads of talent, tons of it. Maybe our most talented player, maybe top five PF in the league. I’m not denying that. I am just a firm believer in team chemistry and a winning attitude we hear so much about with guys like Chauncey Billups, Derek Fisher, etc. And I flat out believe Zach, and Ricky Davis for that matter, possess that. And again, just my opinion but if we want to turn things around we desperately need that winning attitude. Just look at the Blazers when they brought in their new face of the franchise Brandon Roy, they got rid of their most talented player because they wanted to develop a winning attitude on their team. And regardless of the position of our new face, I think we need to do the same. This is just my opinion, but as I said before, we need to develop that intangible winning attitude regardless of the “20-10” Zach may provide. We may be hurt in the short term, but I swear to you all it’s a great move for the future. It may be unfair to Zach and Ricky, who both did play very hard for us last year, but sometimes you can’t escape your past reputations and as far as I’m concerned here, that’s exactly the problem. So believe me when I say this, that even though we’d be getting rid of lot and lots of talent, I think it’s only for the betterment of the team and it will help us develop that ever important winning attitude. Without that attitude, we’ll be nothing more than a talented playoff team. And I don’t think that’s all we want. We want championships, and that attitude is what brings them. It may not be this year or the next, but we will get there if we rid ourselves of those who won’t help in the development of that team attitude and chemistry. Again, that’s just my opinion. I would honestly gladly trade Randolph for bench warmers who we can possibly buy out and look to the future. We have to look long term in order to see the value in what I’m trying to get across. Just my honest opinion.
And now to center:
Possibly the most injury prone center duo in the NBA, but also one of the more talented. Kaman was a 15-11 guy not too long ago and he can still be that. I think he’ll play much better especially now that he has an athletic teammate in the front court along with him to take the pressure off. Remember what he did when Elton was around? I see Griffin having a similar effect on him. So like Dunleavy and Baron, I’m forgetting the past and giving Kaman another chance. And Camby basically speaks for himself, a warrior on the court who’ll be a defensive anchor for us. His value to the team goes way beyond the stats, so we must remember that when evaluating him. He’ll be a great mentor to Griffin and our young guys, and will provide solid veteran leadership. He can also help Kaman develop into more of a shot blocker, so Camby is one of those value guys who cant be measured by numbers. And let’s not forget our promising, yet very raw, seven footer DeAndre Jordan who can learn under Camby’s wing. I think Jordan will benefit from Camby’s defensive prowess, and will consequently learn to use his athleticism to make a big impact on that end. With continued development, I can see him being a major factor on our future teams, especially if we’re up tempo. Right now, I see him as very, very poor man’s Dwight Howard who can get lots of put back dunks, alley-oops, rebounds, and blocks (excuse the reference Dwight). But I truly believe Jordan can develop into something special, with proper coaching and mentoring. He has the talent.
So overall, I think with all the influx of talent we have, we will be a playoff contender. I don’t think we’ll make it this year with 35-40 wins, but I think we will next year (God willing). The development of our young guys and that winning attitude I referenced earlier is key. But something we can all agree on is that we’ll be exiting in the open court and our future is bright. With that winning attitude, correct coaching (let the players play to their strengths), good management (pay deserving players), good chemistry, our talented core, and solid veteran leadership, I truly believe that we can be a championship contender (dare I say it?) in, say, five years. And if you think about all the suffering we’ve been through, that’s not very long to wait by our standards at all. But all those things I stated must happen, in my opinion. And let’s not forget about exciting playoff appearances along the way.
Hope you all enjoyed the insight, and if you disagree feel free to put your two cents in. I’m always looking to hear what others have to say.
But above all, GO CLIPPERS! |
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Post subject: RE: What's Everyone's Outlook on the Upcoming Season?
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 02:36 PM PST
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| what does everyone think? reasonable? |
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| My outlook on the upcoming season? Cloudy with endless amount of storms and rain (Dunleavy still being employed and our head coach) with a glimpse of sun (arrival of Griffin). |
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Post subject: RE: What's Everyone's Outlook on the Upcoming Season?
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 02:50 PM PST
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| sounds very good. A well thought out and explained post. Thanks for the contribution and also for making me not hate on baron a much. He abandoned us and hung us out to dry but i can fogive and forget if he gives his full effort this year. I think we will get around 45 wins high end and 35 low end. Definitely a very promising season ahead of us! |
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Post subject: RE: What's Everyone's Outlook on the Upcoming Season?
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 03:09 PM PST
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| my outlook is to just win games period |
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Post subject: RE: What's Everyone's Outlook on the Upcoming Season?
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 03:13 PM PST
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| ^ What he said. |
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Post subject: RE: What's Everyone's Outlook on the Upcoming Season?
Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 03:14 PM PST
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This year's Clipper team is probably the hardest group to predict in the league... Assuming an average amount of injury games lost, we're still about impossible to figure out... There is too much immaturity among our supposedly proven players, Baron, Zach, Ricky and Kaman, which makes it impossible to predict how they'll do. Will Baron play hard and pass the ball? How many times with Zach get suspended? How much pot will Ricky smoke? Will Kaman's mind be on basketball?
There is also too much unknown about our young players (as is the case with all young players). I think Gordon and Griffin are somewhat predictable, but Taylor, Jordan and Thornton are real wild cards.
Prediction: somewhere between 25 and 50 wins...
Given the history and the frail emotional maturity of our vets, I'd say it's a safer bet to stay on the low side of that. |
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I don't expect to make the playoffs, but I do expect it to be a more entertaining year to watch.
I am looking for Griffin, Gordon, Thorton, and Jordan to develop. And since I think they are the future of this team, I am really looking forward to it. |
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Posted: Jul 01, 2009 - 04:29 PM PST
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| i just want a championship, man! |
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| New head coach please!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| I still need to see our final roster after preseason and going into the first week. If we stay exactly like we are now, we're in trouble |
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| i predict a 44 and 38 season, with a first round exit to the hated/loved other-tennants of Staples- the Lakers. But this is good step forward, as long as bdiddy ( the player not the commenter) can stay healthy |
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| my zach randolph dream came true! |
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| as u can see i already posted on this thread. but yes i do enjoy the lengthy insight and i agree with most of your comments. |
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| Good post BDiddy! I renamed your thread title to "Clippers Team 2009 Analysis" so it's more descriptive. |
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| oh ok thanks dave, and sorry seanb i didnt notice that. |
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| B_diddy u get a lot of love on here. sometimes i worry you are being excessively pro -clips tho, bc you are new and trying to fit in. i like to fan the flames of argument, however, and its hard to believe if you are genuine or trying to mimic a lousy sports writer. besides that, Go Clips |
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| lousy sports writer? I am the anti plaschke, who actually went on espnews today and had the audacity to say the Lakers are worse off now than when they won championship. Not to mention he probably doesn't even know the clips play in LA. So when you see me around the horn, ill dedicate my first facetime to you. But I am very excited for this upcoming season and im not going to hide it, i suggest you do the same. You seem to know quite a bit about the game of basketball, however it seems you're too involved in shaking the soda here rather than laying your honest insight. It wouldnt hurt to be a bit more optimistic, but as long as youre honest and genuine, i can respect it. That's all i try to be, im not trying to please anyone, just expressing my excitement and optimicsm. And being a clip site, obviously its gonna be well taken because those feelings are shared by many others on here.. hopefully this post addressed your questions/concerns. |
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| no, it just came across as yet another addition to your collection of verbose, frivolous comments |
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| hmm ok, well then i guess all i can say to you is keep your head in the college dictionary and keep looking up new, intelligent diction for you to use in your future posts. ill try to tone down my "clip love" for you. but until then, enjoy dictionary. |
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| Honestly, I want to see a team that can prove to the world that we can contend in the future and possibly (fingers crossed), we entice LeBron James to sign a max contract with us next season to battle Kobe for LA Supremacy. |
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| i would hope for that too, but lets face it, bron aint leaving cleveland. |
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| why will he not leave cleveland>? |
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| its his home. born and raised there. they've done everything to accomodate him. its where is friends and family are. he wants to bring his hometown a championship. hes turning them into a major market. they can offer him the most money. should i go on? |
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| they have not done everything to accomodate him - they have not won a title. and if they do not do it this year, he is gone. its that simple. it doesnt matter that he was born and raised there. |
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| but they keep surrounding him with talent as he asks for it. so i just dont see him leaving clev and coming here. |
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| when did i ever say coming to la? ive already stated the last thing lebron wants to do is play second fiddle to da bean in la. new york state of mind - nas |
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| i think koreanclips said he wants him to come here, and by the time he would get here i dont think hed play second fiddle. more like 1a. but youre right, he wants to be one and only. so i just dont think its plausible for him to come to clips in la. |
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| doesnt mean he has to stay in cleveland. why dont we just wait and see instead of claiming we know where he is going (even tho he is going to ny kinks and is gonna avg 38 8 and 6) |
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well from the looks at it now it looks like were rebuilding not fully comprehending that we are the clippers and rebuilding doesnt work with us aka no FA will ever come here...
and if we god for bid get in the 8th 9th spot next year, expect dunleavy to walk into sterlings office and ask for a contract extension which he might get...
we would be laughing stock of the nba for a decade+....
THE ONLY CHANCE WE GOT is signing our young like air gordon and al and griffin......but just like every other clipper besides pikawaski they'll leave.....
its very clear, when we rebuild , were back to the old clipper way
only one nba player in the history of the nba wanted to be a clipper and that was baron davis, and now half u guys here want him gone...for tmac |
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SeanB wrote:
when did i ever say coming to la? ive already stated the last thing lebron wants to do is play second fiddle to da bean in la. new york state of mind - nas
he's going to the brooklyn nets no matter what happens next year....im amazed people still thinks the kincks
but he's dying to win a championship for cleavland so he can leave on good terms...but he's gone no matter what...
LEBRON JAMES BROOKLYN NETS 2010 |
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| You're a bit negative there topbuzzclip, are you really a Clipper fan? |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 06:12 PM PST
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StaticFlow wrote:
You're a bit negative there topbuzzclip, are you really a Clipper fan?
yes but the real kind tho.... |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 08:42 PM PST
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KoreanClipper wrote:
Honestly, I want to see a team that can prove to the world that we can contend in the future and possibly (fingers crossed), we entice LeBron James to sign a max contract with us next season to battle Kobe for LA Supremacy.
안녕! :p
Yes, that would be an epic match-up--the LAL vs. LAC games would be crazy. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:06 PM PST
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I will get signed before Lebron. Topbuzz is dead on. Even Piatkawski left to sit on the bench elsewhere. Sorry guys but I'm the real kind too.
Unless MikeyD's gone, forget a FA. If BD is a jerk, nobody will come. If he fails to be a leader nobody comes, If we have another crap season, nobody will come. Who are we going to get rid of? We need a SF and a Center maybe. The two newbies may be too good to dump and are cheap. If we play like Crap they will leave. They could be one of the best duo's in the game. Except for MD the front office hasn't been too bad. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 09:59 PM PST
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MVP, MVP!
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| ^^^ I still say Dunleavy and Cakeman deserve a shot at redemption. And Baron has the right things thus far, and since we're not going to be able to get value for him (unless we swindle yet another team), then let him come back and see if he can deliver. |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 10:04 PM PST
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journeyman wrote:
^^^ I still say Dunleavy and Cakeman deserve a shot at redemption. And Baron has the right things thus far, and since we're not going to be able to get value for him (unless we swindle yet another team), then let him come back and see if he can deliver.
lol yea lets give dunleavy another shot!!
8 years 1 playoff run....yayyyyyy 
and if u could get ricky rubio for baron davis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oooo my god...it would like a dream come true for u...
will win 8 games and then u can be around ur laker buddys and say " oh well thats the clippers" 
boy o boy its like a dream come true for u |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 10:08 PM PST
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| Why downgrade veteran Baron Davis for unproven Rubio? Is that you Chris Wallace? |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 10:18 PM PST
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journeyman wrote:
Why downgrade veteran Baron Davis for unproven Rubio? Is that you Chris Wallace?
theres plenty of rubio for davis on this remarkable forum..
plenty of people hating on THE ONLY PLAYER WHO EVER WANTED TO BE A CLIPPER...cause of the dunleavys season |
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Posted: Jul 03, 2009 - 10:33 PM PST
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Quote:
8 years 1 playoff run....yayyyyyy
Doesn't that make him the second best coach we've ever had, after Larry Brown?
Hey, I've been a Rubio fan and a Baron hater, but unless we get value for Baron, he's here... As much as I like Rubio, I wouldn't want to pin our future on him any more than I like having our future pinned on the immature Baron Davis... |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 12:47 AM PST
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| Alright Mr. Topbuzz himself, let's give them a chance here now. We haven't gotten the first pick in over ten years, and I think we can both agree that Blake Griffin is no Kandi Man. Griffin is going to be solid, if not a star, so let's remember that. Yes, I'm sure some said the same about Olowakandi but there were doubters too, and Griffin doesn't seem to have too many. As far as Dunleavy goes, I've been the first one to criticize him. A lot of people on here have, you're not the first one. But as Griffin said, the past is the past. We can learn from it, move on, and forget the rest. And as far as my 4-5 year championship timetable, if you call yourself a so called "realist", which I will admit you seem like more of a realist than an idealist, then I would think you would agree. Did I say they will win a championship in 4-5 years? Absolutely not. It's way too hard to predict the future. But what I did say is if the FO stays smart and brings in winners, and our young nucleus develops their talents, chemistry, and winning attitude, along with some solid coaching, who's to say we can't compete. And until then, I think we can snag at least the 10th seed this year, which would be at least entertaining to watch, something we couldn't really say about last season. And it will only get better from there. That's all I want. I don't want a one year turnaround. If I thought it was possible for us, then yes, that's what I would want. But I dont think it's very realistic, so all I want is for us to be a 35-40 win team this year and very competitive (most likely losing many close games as a young team) and then getting better every season from there. I know Blake Griffin is no LeBron, but remember the effect Bron had on those God awful Cavs when he joined. This was the same Cavs team who boasted Ricky Davis as one of their top dogs. They were absolutely terrible, a joke, before LeBron and when he came in the first year they won 35 games and it gradually got better from there. And look where they're at 6 years from then. Many playoff appeances and a finals appearances. And obviously Blake is no Bron or finals losses aren't what we want, but it's sure as hell better than last year right? |
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Posted: Jul 04, 2009 - 03:57 AM PST
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Phil Jackson would have made this team a winner. MDSr predicted over 40 wins. Were the 4th quarter meltdowns because Dunleavy got out coached? If not why? He couldn't control Davis and if you can't control Davis in a half court set with set plays, you're screwed. Why was there even a disagreement with the two? What you see is what you get with both of them. Why was't there "chemistry" at all? They do have practice sessions. To get it takes work and committment. Answer these and you'll have 1/2 the problem solved, no personel changes.
As far as President LBJ he's a freak of nature like my man the Dipper. He will be one of the 4 greatest ever - Wilt, Oscar -- LBJ then MJ. Kobe can eat their shorts. He however didn't have the team support at the Cavs. Give us him as a rookie and put Q or Al on the bench |
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 01:10 PM PST
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SeanB wrote:
B_diddy u get a lot of love on here. sometimes i worry you are being excessively pro -clips tho, bc you are new and trying to fit in. i like to fan the flames of argument, however, and its hard to believe if you are genuine or trying to mimic a lousy sports writer. besides that, Go Clips
Not everyone was born a hater senor. This is a Clippers fan forum because most of us are actually Clippers fans and like talking about the team and hoping for wins and a great season instead of cutting our own players down all the time and hating on other posters and talking about how every player in the league is better than our players.
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Posted: Jul 05, 2009 - 01:37 PM PST
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topbuzzclip wrote:
StaticFlow wrote:
You're a bit negative there topbuzzclip, are you really a Clipper fan?
yes but the real kind tho....
whats the real kind? Never being hopeful that your team can break away from its storiedly horrible history?
Guess i am not a real fan then |
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Posted: Jul 06, 2009 - 02:21 AM PST
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| clipperboy - my last post didnt go up , but it went something like this: first of all im not a hater, im a realist - the clippers have had 2 winning seasons in the past 30+ seasons. Im being rational, and is it really absurd to assume that most of the time the other teams do actually have better players than the clips? i dont think so...maybe thats why they make the playoffs and we dont. on another note, i actually think this is going to be a great season for the clips. i see baron turning back the clock and putting up avgs of like 18, 4 and 8, while shooting over 40% and leading the team to the playoffs. no hate in that |
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Posted: Jul 06, 2009 - 04:28 AM PST
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Good analysis.
I think the Clippers can be a .500 team this year and with a little luck maybe even an eighth seed in the playoffs, with their youth and athleticism, if they buckle down on D and play some run n gun offense, I think theyll surprise some people and maybe get some respect, that and Dunleavy needs to let people play some damn basketball. |
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Posted: Jul 06, 2009 - 06:56 AM PST
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I re read the analysis and I'm sure the team will be tweaked in unpredictable ways but. The first thing that has to be fixed is Management. If MDSr were working for Microsoft, he'd have been fired years ago. Not even debateable, a fact.If I performed like he did, I'd be in the unemployment line. He can't motivate the players and can't control Baron. Unless you fix that, kiss the season bye bye. 30 at best. Our problems have been 30-50% management's fault. the Spurs couldn't win here. When you're assessing peoples' performance pretend you're DTS and the $$$ is coming out of your pocket and you could be using it for a bootie call instead. (Better spent there than on MDSr or BD)
This shouldn't be a rebuilding year. We just don't know what to expect. The only sure things are Eric G and ugly pocket hankies. Performance wise, Al, BG, Taylor, DJ, Cakeman, BD, Novak (?)and Ricky are as predictable as a woman with PMS. We're depending on DJ who is raw but has skills and BG who is a newbie. BD, Marcus and Doughboy are injury prone and Doughboy is a head case. Sam, Cat. Corey and EB gave you the same every night no surprises. Predictability is or lack thereof is contageous but it comes from top down.
If BG flops, we flop because we gave up 25ppg with Cat/Tim-- 20ppg Zbo. Where do those points come from? CK stepping it up and BG/Al 35 ppg and everyone playing to potential. |
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Posted: Jul 06, 2009 - 07:07 AM PST
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| who's doughboy? and i think you're takin it a bit extreme toohip.. |
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