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    Post subject:   PostPosted: Jul 02, 2009 - 02:05 AM PST
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    WOW.

    Huge news- First off, thank you Zach Randolph for your services, and even playing after your father died. It takes a lot of heart and guts to do that especially for a team that was going nowhere.

    That being said, I'm so happy this trade went down. Now not only does Blake Griffin get to start (as he should) but we save so much money and become a contender for the 2010 sweepstakes

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    Because the Grizzlies are under the salary cap, the trade is legal despite the salaries not matching. L.A. saves $24.6 million in the deal, gaining a trade exception of approximately $7.4 million.

    http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=13153

    By the way that's Eric Pincus' article, if you want to read it

    AND WELCOME BACK TO LA, QUENTIN RICHARDSON!!!

    The man who made me a Clipper fan in the first place.. Quentin Richardson and Darius Miles were the reason I became a Clipper fan. Welcome back man.

    Also, the only thing we were missing last year is a backup SF. Behind Thornton, Dunleavy was playing 2 guards because he had no LEGIT 3's. Finally we got a player who plays a natural 3.

    Props to Mike Dunleavy for waiting, and saying no to the Buckner/Jaric trade. Patience is key, and it was a pretty good move.
     
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    Speaking of our SF, whether its Q-Rich or AT starting the other will be a great back up SF! I agree with Thecalmsanity good move by Dunleavy!

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    Novak will back them both up at the sf position. Hopefully Novak doesnt sign a huge deal that we wont match.

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    thank you zach for being a scoring machine. no thanks for you bad attitude, lazy defense and dui. unfortunately, blake plays the same part of the low block and is a better person and will be a better player. q rich can back up al at the 3 and fill in at the 2. one problem is that the guys is a chucker. sub 400 fg % career and pretty horrible ft percentage. how many chuckers (baron and q rich) can our team take?
     
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    I'd honestly rather see Novak back up AT more then Q. Q's best days are behind him. He is not the same player he was. Novak hit an awesome 3 percentage. I'd go with Novak for sure.

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    Q is only 29 and his stats are on the rise--I think he can be a decent 14-15 ppg player a game next year.

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    I really wanted Q ross to come too Sad

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    Who is our backup for our clumsy Kaman?

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    laclippers wrote:
    Who is our backup for our clumsy Kaman?


    A guy named Marcus Camby, actually Camby should be the starter. Kaman can back him up.
     
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    hopefully q outplays bricky @ sf

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    illastrate wrote:
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    Who is our backup for our clumsy Kaman?


    A guy named Marcus Camby, actually Camby should be the starter. Kaman can back him up.


    I despise Kaman <_<, so I agree with you there.

    I'm sure some how we'll have Thornton coming off the bench, or even Griffin off the bench to start the season.

    End up with something like
    Kaman-Camby-Thornton-Gordon-Davis

    which will eventually become
    Kaman-Camby-Griffin-Gordon-Davis

    or I'd prefer...
    Camby-Thornton-Griffin-Gordon-Davis

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    MJSF wrote:
    hopefully q outplays bricky @ sf


    Freakin Sean Rooks could outplay Bricky D right now.
     
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    If this would've happened sooner I wouldn't have gotten yelled at at the blazers game for telling the idiot behind me chanting DUI to shut up... It's gonna be hard not to miss our 20 and 10 guy... But I think we'll be more than alright. I hope I'm not the only dude who cheers for Z Bo when memphis comes in town...

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    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


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    If they come in town... We should try to give him a standing ovation for a job well done in his "home".

    But we got Z-Bo's reaction... What about Q?? Does he even want to be a Clipper again?

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    by the way, i love that Q should be motivated since he's in a contract year Wink

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    ekker3 wrote:
    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


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    sf-thornton,Q,novak
    pf-griffin, camby, novak
    c-kaman,camby,jordan


    I wouldn't say goodbye 2010 playoffs. We'll have our chances if everybody is on the same page.

    I really like the trade. We get rid of Zach's big contract and we will have more freedom next year. Zach did a good job while he was with us but his lazy defense is not what we needed.

    Furthermore it will give lots of minutes for Blake since day 1 and I see him as someone who can help us right away.

    I hope Q comes back with a positive attitude and willing to show that he deserves the money he's earning (9$ mil) which is too much for his last years performances. He's a bad defendeer but he could provide some 3 point shooting.

    Welcome home Q!
     
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    Derty_Bert wrote:
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    Big problem for me... With Zach gone, what am I going to write about?


    We still have Baron. Besides you'll find somebody else to bash.


    No, man. I'm feeling good... My number one target is gone... Baron and Ricky are the only ones left... Ricky won't play much, if at all, so I won't need to bash him... All Baron has to do is hustle and I'll be okay there.

    And, of course, I'm loving GM Dunleavy right now... And I was always easy on coach Dunleavy.

    Nope, you're going to see a whole new me. I got what I wanted. GO CLIPS!
     
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    Big move!!! I can't believe the 1 day I'm away a huge trade happens. Grats to all of us and i was WRONG. I assumed we wouldn't able to move Randolph and that Dunleavy's reports of wanting to keep him were true. This should show all of you Dunleavy and Sterling haters though that they DO listen to us and they do want to win. Now it's up to the players. Getting Q back is bittersweet. Think about it. We got rid of one knucklehead... for an even bigger one!!! Q had soooo many fights with teammates and media war of words last year. If he brings the overall talent we know he has... and focused on his game.. he will surely send Al Thornton to the bench. Why though are most of you not worried about getting an EVEN WORSE locker room guy??? I guess the cap space? The fact that we can dump him soon? I conclude with the idea and hope that Q Rich will have a revived career. I don't see why he wouldn't be interested in coming to camp in top shape and working hard. I mean he got along amazing with our team his first couple years before leaving so my only assumption can be the Knicks organization had a TON of problems. Isaiah,Q rich,Marbury and Zbo?? Talk about a war waiting to happen! Either way if he can give us that dominant bench play he used to give.... or replace Al as the starter i wouldn't mind. He's probably the physically strongest 2-3 in the league. He's got deep range (Al never had range), he has a sick post up game and he's not a black hole (at least he didn't used to be). This is going to be so interesting i refuse to miss a game this year.
     
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    I LOVE Q RICH. I LOVE DUNLEAVY. I LOVE THE CLIPPERS.

    I am so impressed right now, that dunleavy managed to bring in one of my top 5 favourite swingmen! The best part is.... it was for Z-Bo! Now Grifff Griff starts, thornton beasts off the bench, camby and kaman get good minutes. Everythin is set in place! All we need is baron to be the good baron we all know and love.

    I've supported the Clippers for 3-4 years from england, and i can tell you, I HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE EXITED. I expect wonders this season.

    Aims - 1. Rookies impress at summer league.
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    4. Try not to get injured in the offseason


    We should go far. Peace!
     
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    Q is a solid player who could have been a very good player if not for back problems that have plagued him since leaving the Clippers. He's always been a streaky player, but now even moreso. He's tried to play through it, though not always successfully.

    Because of that, it's hard to guess how much he'll bring. I suspect he play off the bench, backing up the 2 and 3, making Jones unnecessary.

    Q. is in a contract year. He'll be on his best behavior, bringing his best effort, looking for another solid 3-year payday. I think we'll get the best he has to offer, provided he feels like he's valued. After his experience with the Knicks, this can only be a step up for him.

    And, of course, if he doesn't work, he can be let go or traded since he's in his last year.
     
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    ekker3 wrote:
    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


    As if we are a playoff team WITH Z-Bo Rolling Eyes . I don't expect anything from Q-Rich, he can take an 82 game vacation for all I care. It's the 9.4M expiring contract and 7.4M trade exception that I'm in love with.
     
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    illastrate wrote:
    ekker3 wrote:
    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


    As if we are a playoff team WITH Z-Bo Rolling Eyes . I don't expect anything from Q-Rich, he can take an 82 game vacation for all I care. It's the 9.4M expiring contract and 7.4M trade exception that I'm in love with.


    What he said.

    And I'm not sure, but I think Q's contract is $8.4M.
     
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    Clippers should try to sign The Birdman now...... he would be good off the bench for Blake Griffin....


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    journeyman wrote:
    illastrate wrote:
    ekker3 wrote:
    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


    As if we are a playoff team WITH Z-Bo Rolling Eyes . I don't expect anything from Q-Rich, he can take an 82 game vacation for all I care. It's the 9.4M expiring contract and 7.3M trade exception that I'm in love with.


    What he said.

    And I'm not sure, but I think Q's contract is $8.4M.


    According to hoopshype(http://hoopshype.com/salaries/memphis.htm), he makes $9,352,500.
     
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    Can we shop Q Richardson for money?

    He's fat and unmotivated and does NOTHING on defense.

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    I am glad we freed up money but Zach will be missed .....its must be hard as hell to be 1 of only like 5 nba players to be able to hit up 20 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists per game and then Everyone in the NBA look at you like a cancer..............Wish we could have cut his contract in half and kept him, and had him at center and Griffin our Forward
     
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    ZBO wouldn't make a good center! but i do agree with keeping him.
     
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    Clipper-Josh wrote:
    Can we shop Q Richardson for money?

    He's fat and unmotivated and does NOTHING on defense.


    Ill at least give him a shot. Zach had the same exact knocks on him before coming to the clips, and while Zach didnt get much better defensively, he did play harder and better than he had been in New York. Its hard to gauge how valuable a guy really is if hes been a Knick the past few years- they have been a mess. Hopefully Q Rich will see this as an fresh opportunity and be a solid backup. If not, we let him expire or probably can trade his expiring pretty easily.
     
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    Never underestimate a player going into a contract year, never. Q is going to play his heart out.
     
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    sz123456 wrote:
    Never underestimate a player going into a contract year, never. Q is going to play his heart out.


    Completelly true...Even Kandiman seemed good in his last year contract. In fact I think Kandi had everything to become an excellent player except his brain.
     
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    I dont know if any of you have seen this but to me baron davis seems kind of sad that z-bo is gone. this was from his twitter

    "Sad to see ZBo go. We talked everyday about how we are going to change things around here and have our best year! Very sad to see him go!"
     
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    So I cant fnd it, but how much free cap space does this give us for THIS OFFSEASON????

    I'd TRULY love to have our guys make a big time offer on Ramon Sessions or even Chuckie V.

    However I would like to know like I said how much free space this gives us for this season, and what kind of cap space we are looking at in 2010?

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    clippersforlife100 wrote:
    I dont know if any of you have seen this but to me baron davis seems kind of sad that z-bo is gone. this was from his twitter

    "Sad to see ZBo go. We talked everyday about how we are going to change things around here and have our best year! Very sad to see him go!"


    that sadness better not translate into his game

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    Baron better STFU and pass the rock to Blake.

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    Never underestimate a player going into a contract year, never. Q is going to play his heart out.


    Completelly true...Even Kandiman seemed good in his last year contract. In fact I think Kandi had everything to become an excellent player except his brain.


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    So I cant fnd it, but how much free cap space does this give us for THIS OFFSEASON????

    I'd TRULY love to have our guys make a big time offer on Ramon Sessions or even Chuckie V.

    However I would like to know like I said how much free space this gives us for this season, and what kind of cap space we are looking at in 2010?


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    clippersforlife100 wrote:
    I dont know if any of you have seen this but to me baron davis seems kind of sad that z-bo is gone. this was from his twitter

    "Sad to see ZBo go. We talked everyday about how we are going to change things around here and have our best year! Very sad to see him go!"


    I was not a big Zbo fan, but I kinda felt bad for the guy. His agent spoke for Zbo saying he felt he found a home here in LA. He was looking forward to changing things for the Clippers. How many times have you heard of a player saying they wanted to stay here to help build the team. The bad feelings I had lasted about 10 minutes. Then it was over.

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    goodbye 2010 playoffs. hello cap space.
    im just glad we didnt get rid of kaman!
    i guess dunleavy's starting a rookie for the first time in his coaching career.
    btw, its only fitting that we brought on a very injury-prone player in return.


    As if we are a playoff team WITH Z-Bo Rolling Eyes . .


    yeah i know, i guess you're right. lol

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    MrB wrote:
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    I dont know if any of you have seen this but to me baron davis seems kind of sad that z-bo is gone. this was from his twitter

    "Sad to see ZBo go. We talked everyday about how we are going to change things around here and have our best year! Very sad to see him go!"


    I was not a big Zbo fan, but I kinda felt bad for the guy. His agent spoke for Zbo saying he felt he found a home here in LA. He was looking forward to changing things for the Clippers. How many times have you heard of a player saying they wanted to stay here to help build the team. The bad feelings I had lasted about 10 minutes. Then it was over.


    zach randolph = one of the NBA's most under-appreciated players. the media blows his off-the-court troubles out of proportion and makes him sound like a locker room cancer. the dude brought it every night for us (even with our horrible record), always had a smile on his face, went after those offensive boards. people seem to put him on the same level as ron artest or stephon marbury for no apparent reason (those guys are knuckleheads ON the court). i hope he does well in memphis.

    in the right situation, randolph's a perennial all-star (should've been last year).

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    Ekker I've been with you the whole time on Zach being judged unfairly. I do think he will be a much better fit with Memphis. Expect 25 ppg from him and an amazing season where he definitely makes his first All star appearance. Memphis is one of those teams that has 0 consistent scorers that bring it every night and he fills that need. Even OJ Mayo doesn't do it consistently as he's a streaky scorer. Zach you may feel hurt buddy but in the end you'll work better in that system anyways!
     
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    Lsoing teams dont make all star teams, no way Zach makes an all star appearance
     
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    That team already has two reluctant passers in Mayo and Gay. They're just added another one in Zach... He'll score his points, get his rebounds and lose a lot more games... Their only hope is that Thabeet can really get it done in the NBA, something I'm not so sure about.

    I tend to think of Zach as an overappreciated player in the NBA, by the fact of his salary. His assets, scoring and rebounding, don't do enough to make up for his liabilities, arrests, poor passing, turnovers, bad shots taken, poor man defense, bad decision making, poor help defense, suspensions, lack of off-season improvement, inconsistent effort... The guy got called out by a rookie (Roy) for lack of effort.
     
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    Since the Randolph trade was announced, I've refrained from saying anything more about Zach. Part of it was that I was afraid the Grizzlies would change their mind and I didn't want to jinx it. But the moratorium is being lifted tonight and I guess the transaction is imminent. One more post for Zach.

    I stand by all my criticisms. His game is flawed. His defense is bad to the point of being detrimental to his team. And he doesn't do himself or his supporters any favors by getting himself into trouble, whether on or off the court.

    When the Randolph trade went down back in November, I was angry, to say the least. Going back to those threads in November, I can see I wasn't alone.
    The idea of bringing in Randolph had actually started soon after Brand defected. I tried playing devil's advocate in favor of Randolph, to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. The positives were easy to see: He's an offensive machine, capable of racking up 20-plus points a night, and despite his lack of athleticism, he rebounds well.

    What never seems to get mentioned is that Randolph managed to come back from micro-fracture surgery. I've always been amazed how little this gets acknowledged. This surgery is supposed to be career-altering. When citing examples of successful recoveries, Jason Kidd and Amare Stoudemire get their due credit for putting in the hard work and rehabilitating. Zach also put in the hard work. I'd like to think his comeback reflects that he cares about basketball, at least enough to properly rehabilitate himself.

    Basically, when we acquired Randolph, these are the things I told myself. I put on my rose-colored glasses and hoped for the best.

    As I said, I suspected Randolph was more of a gamer than people give him credit for, and it turned out to be true. He always showed up and played every night. You know what you're getting when he suits up. It was nice to have a player like that in the starting lineup, considering how erratic and flakey Baron/Thornton/Kaman could be. Randolph wasn't always efficient, but he was consistent.

    The Admunson suspension was kind of a tough break. Randolph's father was dying, and that Randolph was still on the court and soldiering though would be commendable had it not turned out the way it did. It's not too hard to forgive Randolph for this one, considering the circumstance. Let's face it: who wouldn't want to punch that guy in the face?

    The DUI was a boneheaded move by Randolph. If he ever wants to overcome his bad guy image (and he's supposed to be a sweet guy when you get to know him), he needs to stop doing things like that.

    Anyway, I read in a Memphis article that the team went 8-8 when Randolph and Camby started in the lineup and each played at least 30 minutes.

    First of all: holy effing crap, we only had those two together for 16 games the whole year. Thanks a lot, Voshkul.

    Second of all, I think the Memphis situation presents a nice chance for him to shine. A defensive shotblocker like Thabeet is exactly the kind of guy Randolph needs to be paired with in order to be effective. Even with Gasol, Randolph could probably work. The Grizz needed a scorer in the post, and Randolph can provide that, no question.

    I'm glad Randolph is gone though because Griffin and Jordan will have more of a chance to develop. And I would feel insincere wishing him luck because he's never really won me over. But Baron and Jordan were both sad to see him go. Randolph's agent says that Zach was disappointed about the trade because he thought he finally found a home. Perhaps Memphis is where he'll finally redeem himself.
     
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    I don't know. All this "now that he's gone I'm sorry, he really did his best for us" talk about Zach strikes me as the same kind of language you hear at the funeral of that rogue uncle that usually no one likes to mention. You know the kind of talk I mean. Stuff like "he liked a nip now and then" when in fact he was a raging alcoholic. Or "he had an eye for the ladies" when the truth of the matter was that he'd hit on anything in a skirt if it was out of high school, and maybe one or two that weren't... but people soft pedal things because 1) he's passed and 2) they don't want to risk anyone saying anything bad about them when THEY go. Well, sorry but I'm glad he's gone. Uh... Zach I mean, not the uncle. Oh sure, we'll miss the numbers a little. I mean a little because I fully expect Griffin to in large part make up for them once he's in the swing of things. And why shouldn't we? If you look at all of the number 1's since David Robinson, the scoring average for all of them in their first year is about 15.5. And that takes in from the high of Robinson at 24.3 to the low of Kwame Brown at 4.5. Boards Griffin should get. You don't have that body, with those hops and that hustle and not get boards, even in the NBA. Zach was a good rebounder, but I'll hazzard a guess that Griffin gets more boards out of his area in his first two months starting than Zach did in a season. Let me ask you this... how many times did you see Zach dive on a loose ball? Now I don't mean crumble to the floor in a struggle with a guy for a board, or sink to the floor in a pile of guys; I mean flat out dive for a loose ball? See, I don't remember that happening and I watched a lot of games. I will however wager that Griffin dives on a ball in his first summer league game, and on lots of them thereafter. I'm not saying that Zach wasn't a nice guy, or that he was untalented. I AM saying that given the choice, I'd rather build around a player that I know is talented, and whose hustle and effort is unquestioned. Maybe it's passe of me to think it, but I'd like to believe that, especially considering the money they're getting paid, our guys would be willing to actually bust ass on BOTH ends of the court. I honestly think that Griffin is the real thing, a bona fide star in waiting. After a couple of months of him starting, whenever that begins, I'm hoping that most of us will have vague memories of Zach at best. Maybe then we can ALL say nice things about him.
     
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    journeyman wrote:
    Since the Randolph trade was announced, I've refrained from saying anything more about Zach. Part of it was that I was afraid the Grizzlies would change their mind and I didn't want to jinx it. But the moratorium is being lifted tonight and I guess the transaction is imminent. One more post for Zach.

    I stand by all my criticisms. His game is flawed. His defense is bad to the point of being detrimental to his team. And he doesn't do himself or his supporters any favors by getting himself into trouble, whether on or off the court.

    When the Randolph trade went down back in November, I was angry, to say the least. Going back to those threads in November, I can see I wasn't alone.
    The idea of bringing in Randolph had actually started soon after Brand defected. I tried playing devil's advocate in favor of Randolph, to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. The positives were easy to see: He's an offensive machine, capable of racking up 20-plus points a night, and despite his lack of athleticism, he rebounds well.

    What never seems to get mentioned is that Randolph managed to come back from micro-fracture surgery. I've always been amazed how little this gets acknowledged. This surgery is supposed to be career-altering. When citing examples of successful recoveries, Jason Kidd and Amare Stoudemire get their due credit for putting in the hard work and rehabilitating. Zach also put in the hard work. I'd like to think his comeback reflects that he cares about basketball, at least enough to properly rehabilitate himself.

    Basically, when we acquired Randolph, these are the things I told myself. I put on my rose-colored glasses and hoped for the best.

    As I said, I suspected Randolph was more of a gamer than people give him credit for, and it turned out to be true. He always showed up and played every night. You know what you're getting when he suits up. It was nice to have a player like that in the starting lineup, considering how erratic and flakey Baron/Thornton/Kaman could be. Randolph wasn't always efficient, but he was consistent.

    The Admunson suspension was kind of a tough break. Randolph's father was dying, and that Randolph was still on the court and soldiering though would be commendable had it not turned out the way it did. It's not too hard to forgive Randolph for this one, considering the circumstance. Let's face it: who wouldn't want to punch that guy in the face?

    The DUI was a boneheaded move by Randolph. If he ever wants to overcome his bad guy image (and he's supposed to be a sweet guy when you get to know him), he needs to stop doing things like that.

    Anyway, I read in a Memphis article that the team went 8-8 when Randolph and Camby started in the lineup and each played at least 30 minutes.

    First of all: holy effing crap, we only had those two together for 16 games the whole year. Thanks a lot, Voshkul.

    Second of all, I think the Memphis situation presents a nice chance for him to shine. A defensive shotblocker like Thabeet is exactly the kind of guy Randolph needs to be paired with in order to be effective. Even with Gasol, Randolph could probably work. The Grizz needed a scorer in the post, and Randolph can provide that, no question.

    I'm glad Randolph is gone though because Griffin and Jordan will have more of a chance to develop. And I would feel insincere wishing him luck because he's never really won me over. But Baron and Jordan were both sad to see him go. Randolph's agent says that Zach was disappointed about the trade because he thought he finally found a home. Perhaps Memphis is where he'll finally redeem himself.



    trading a star for in your words to "develop" and say he would flourish in his new home makes u a disgusting kind of clipper fan.. lol
     
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    Well, sorry but I'm glad he's gone. Uh... Zach I mean, not the uncle. Oh sure, we'll miss the numbers a little. I mean a little because I fully expect Griffin to in large part make up for them once he's in the swing of things. And why shouldn't we? If you look at all of the number 1's since David Robinson, the scoring average for all of them in their first year is about 15.5. And that takes in from the high of Robinson at 24.3 to the low of Kwame Brown at 4.5. Boards Griffin should get. You don't have that body, with those hops and that hustle and not get boards, even in the NBA. Zach was a good rebounder, but I'll hazzard a guess that Griffin gets more boards out of his area in his first two months starting than Zach did in a season. Let me ask you this... how many times did you see Zach dive on a loose ball? Now I don't mean crumble to the floor in a struggle with a guy for a board, or sink to the floor in a pile of guys; I mean flat out dive for a loose ball? See, I don't remember that happening and I watched a lot of games. I will however wager that Griffin dives on a ball in his first summer league game, and on lots of them thereafter. I'm not saying that Zach wasn't a nice guy, or that he was untalented. I AM saying that given the choice, I'd rather build around a player that I know is talented, and whose hustle and effort is unquestioned. Maybe it's passe of me to think it, but I'd like to believe that, especially considering the money they're getting paid, our guys would be willing to actually bust ass on BOTH ends of the court. I honestly think that Griffin is the real thing, a bona fide star in waiting. After a couple of months of him starting, whenever that begins, I'm hoping that most of us will have vague memories of Zach at best. Maybe then we can ALL say nice things about him.


    That's what I was trying to convey, but I like your phrasing better.
     
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    Zach became expendable the moment we landed the #1 pick (Blake Griffin)

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    smartclipp wrote:



    trading a star for in your words to "develop" and say he would flourish in his new home makes u a disgusting kind of clipper fan.. lol


    Again, you need to lay off those types of inflammatory comments. This is the second post in the last minute I have come across from you.

    You need to stop making things personal.
     
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    clipper*joe wrote:
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    trading a star for in your words to "develop" and say he would flourish in his new home makes u a disgusting kind of clipper fan.. lol


    Again, you need to lay off those types of inflammatory comments. This is the second post in the last minute I have come across from you.

    You need to stop making things personal.


    theres nothing wrong in what i said...
     
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