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Post subject: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
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Clips' dream of Playoffs may end up becoming reality
By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:13AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?
The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented. The runners-up lost Hedo Turkoglu, but more than made up for it.
All over the league, the elites fortified themselves while their lessers fought for scraps. The Eastern Conference gained more traction in its tug-of-war with the West. The sour economy and the lack of much salary cap room this summer conspired to make movement slow for most, with players like Allen Iverson and David Lee waiting for the dam to burst and someone to come up with some cash. Money has now, unfortunately, created a class system in the NBA. It's clear that those with means can stay strong, while those without have to wait their turn. That cleaves the league nicely into five categories:
The Haves (Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Cavaliers, Mavericks, Trail Blazers)
The Middle Class (Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Hawks, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets, 76ers)
The Holders (Bulls, Knicks, Heat)
The Folders (Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Bucks, Kings, Bobcats, Nets)
The Dreamers (Clippers, Hornets, Pacers, Warriors, Thunder, Suns)
In grading each team's offseason, the financial divide has to be taken into account. The Lakers simply have more money than a lot of teams, which makes their offseason that much easier. If Miami had offered Lamar Odom the same amount of money that Los Angeles did, he might be on South Beach right now. But Miami couldn't, and Los Angeles knew it, so L.A. could afford to wait for L.O. to come to its number. That's an advantage. But it doesn't mean the teams with less can't be productive, as you'll see below with teams like Indiana.
I grade teams on their entire offseason -- the Draft, free agency, trades, coaching changes, new ownership, new arenas, anything that has impacted or will impact rosters. But it's kind of graded on a curve because of the money disparities. Once again: This is not a predicted order of finish for next season, only one guy's evaluation of what's transpired between the end of each team's season and now.
Here are The Dreamers. For the others, click on the links above.
The dreamers
They don't have the bucks of the others, but they can still make the Playoffs because of dynamic individual talents (Chris Paul, Steve Nash) or as-yet untapped potential (Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant). If they can catch lightning in a bottle, they might make just enough money to squeeze a free agent pickup or make a trade next summer that could get them to the middle class.
L.A. CLIPPERS
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 12
Last season: 19-63, fourth place, Pacific; Did not make Playoffs.
Added: F Blake Griffin (first-round pick), G Sebastian Telfair (trade with Minnesota), F Craig Smith (trade with Minnesota), F/C Mark Madsen (trade with Minnesota)
Lost: F Zach Randolph (traded to Memphis), G Quentin Richardson (traded to Minnesota)
Retained: None
The key man: G Baron Davis. If he and Coach Mike Dunleavy will just meet each other halfway, the Clippers could take off next season.
The skinny: This roster is too talented to be as bad as last season. That, plus Griffin, could get the Clippers back to the Playoffs. Having him fall in the Clippers' laps allowed them to move Randolph and free up cap room for next summer. Davis was terrific at Tim Grgurich's camp in Vegas this week. But the guess is still that this is his last season in L.A., with a big trade coming next summer to bring a superstar to pair with Griffin and Eric Gordon.
NEW ORLEANS
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 14
Last season: 49-33, fourth place, Southwest; Lost in first round of Playoffs.
Added: F/C Emeka Okafor (trade with Charlotte), G Darren Collison (first-round pick), G Marcus Thornton (second-round pick), F Ike Diogu (free agent, Sacramento)
Lost: C Tyson Chandler (traded to Charlotte)
Retained: None
The key man: F James Posey. He didn't have a bad season coming off the bench last season; his numbers were about the same as they were in Boston the year before. But he's making $25 million now. The Hornets need an upgrade, not the status quo. Unfair? Yes. That's life in the big city.
The skinny: GM Jeff Bower keeps his own counsel. He ignored the advice of sage analysts such as myself that he needed to take Sam Young in the first round, and took UCLA's Collison to lessen Chris Paul's workload. He waited deep into June before finally trading Chandler, which everyone knew he had to do, and still got the better of the deal, adding a better offensive player and shot-blocker in Okafor. Thornton and Diogu provide much-needed bench depth. Quiet, but good. That's Bower.
INDIANA
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 16
Last season: 36-46, fourth place, Central; did not make Playoffs.
Added: F Tyler Hansbrough (first-round pick), G A.J. Price (second-round pick); G Dahntay Jones (free agent, Denver; four years, $11 million); G Earl Watson (free agent, Oklahoma City; one year, $3 million); F Solomon Jones (free agent, Atlanta)
Lost: G Jarrett Jack (signed with Toronto), G Marquis Daniels (signed with Boston)
Retained: C Josh McRoberts
The key man: C Roy Hibbert. This is a different team if the 7-foot-2 second-year center makes more of an impact next season. He doesn't have to score, just do what he can do -- rebound and block shots and make sure no one chumps Danny Granger.
The skinny: You couldn't see this team through all the injuries last season -- to Granger, to T.J. Ford, to Mike Dunleavy, to Troy Murphy. A return to relative health alone will do wonders, as will the addition of Hansbrough, who won't be as bad a pro as his critics believe nor as good as his idolators would have you believe. I kind of like what Larry Bird did this offseason; he added solid players like Jones and Watson who won't cost much. Losing Jack hurts, though, which is why the grade isn't higher.
GOLDEN STATE
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 17
Last season: 29-53, third place, Pacific; did not make Playoffs.
Added: G Stephen Curry (first-round pick), G Acie Law (trade with Atlanta), G Speedy Claxton (trade with Atlanta), F Devean George (trade with Toronto)
Lost: G Jamal Crawford (traded to Atlanta), G Marco Belinelli (traded to Toronto)
Retained: None
The key man: F Anthony Randolph. He came on strong the second half of last season and dominated the Vegas Summer League. The fullcourt skills are ridiculous, but is he ready for 35 minutes a night banging against much thicker power forwards?
The skinny: The Warriors will hang 150 on somebody next season. Write it in ink. They've got amazing offensive options, starting with Curry, Monta Ellis and Anthony Morrow in the backcourt, Stephen Jackson and Corey Maggette at small forward, Randolph at the four and Andris Biedrins at center. Who do you double-team? Who can you afford to leave alone? Nellie's gonna have some fun, that's for sure. Will The City get back to the Playoffs? No, but who cares when you lose 130-128?
OKLAHOMA CITY
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 23
Last season: 23-59, fifth place, Northwest; did not make Playoffs.
Added: G James Harden (first-round pick), C B.J. Mullens (traded rights from Dallas), G Robert Vaden (traded rights from Charlotte), C Etan Thomas (trade with Minnesota)
Lost: G Chucky Atkins (traded to Minnesota), F Damien Wilkens (traded to Minnesota), G Earl Watson (signed with Indiana)
Retained: None
The key man: G Russell Westbrook. The Thunder passed on Ricky Rubio, Tyreke Evans, Jonny Flynn and all the other available point guards in a point guard-rich draft because it thinks the second-year Westbrook is the man for the job. He got better and better as his rookie season went on, and he has to keep getting better to justify his team's not partaking in such a deep position.
The skinny: OKC is the darkhorse pick of many to contend for a playoff spot next year. I'm still skeptical. But there's no doubt that the Thunder has patiently built a very strong and young nucleus around Kevin Durant. Harden is a pro's pro; Mullens could accelerate the team's development greatly if he's a keeper in the middle. But a realistic look at the West says one more year of struggle. Then GM Sam Presti will strike and add the big-time piece to go with Durant. Then it's a whole new ballgame.
PHOENIX
DA's Offseason Rank: No. 25
Last season: 46-36, second place, Pacific; did not make Playoffs.
Added: F Earl Clark (first-round pick), F Taylor Griffin (second-round pick), G Sasha Pavlovic (trade with Cleveland), F Channing Frye (free agent, Portland; two years, $4 million)
Lost: C Shaquille O'Neal (traded to Cleveland), F Matt Barnes (signed with Orlando), C Ben Wallace (buyout)
Retained: F Grant Hill (two years, $6 million), removed interim tag from coach Alvin Gentry
The key man: C Robin Lopez. He was pretty good as Shaq's backup last season, but he's a starter now and will have to be productive with bigger minutes.
The skinny: Convinced Steve Nash to sign a two-year extension, but still have a lot of rebuilding to do. They'll run again like in the old days under Mike D'Antoni, but that's the problem -- Nash is 35 and Hill will be 37 on opening night. And Amar'e Stoudemire's eye injury has only put off the day of reckoning between him and the club, with ownership unwilling to give him a huge extension. A healthy STAT will at least bring some more promising young talent in return at the trade deadline or next summer.
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Post subject: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 01:04 PM PST
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EI_Nino_Jesus wrote:
[i]Clips' dream of Playoffs may end up becoming reality
By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:13AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?
The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented.
They lost Trevor Ariza and gained Artest who is older by 5-6 years, what's this guy talking about? |
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Post subject: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 01:08 PM PST
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sz123456 wrote:
EI_Nino_Jesus wrote:
[i]Clips' dream of Playoffs may end up becoming reality
By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:13AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?
The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented.
They lost Trevor Ariza and gained Artest who is older by 5-6 years, what's this guy talking about?
Artest is a way better player than Ariza, you will see them competing for the next 3 years. The problem with Artest is only character. |
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Post subject: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 01:15 PM PST
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sz123456 wrote:
EI_Nino_Jesus wrote:
[i]Clips' dream of Playoffs may end up becoming reality
By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:13AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?
The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented.
They lost Trevor Ariza and gained Artest who is older by 5-6 years, what's this guy talking about?
LOL, I dont know where the younger coment came from, definitely the exact opposite.
Interesting how he mentioned at the end of the CLipps section that this would be his last season with the clipps... |
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Post subject: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 01:26 PM PST
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rick0314 wrote:
sz123456 wrote:
EI_Nino_Jesus wrote:
[i]Clips' dream of Playoffs may end up becoming reality
By David Aldridge, TNT analyst
Posted Aug 7 2009 11:13AM
So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?
The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented.
They lost Trevor Ariza and gained Artest who is older by 5-6 years, what's this guy talking about?
Artest is a way better player than Ariza, you will see them competing for the next 3 years. The problem with Artest is only character.
Not sure what you're commenting on. The writer said the Lakers lost nothing - yet they lost Ariza. He also said they got younger when they got considerably older. I never said which player is better, but now that we're on the topic, Artest is a better player, but when it comes to who is a better player FOR THAT TEAM, I don't think anyone could do better than Ariza at the 3 spot for the Lakers. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Reality
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 02:00 PM PST
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we're going to make a big trade involving baron davis? thats the most interesting part of the article..
Seriously. That might be the motivation behind getting Sessions. Imagine if we got Baron off the books and we could entice an all-star with our young core of Gordon, Griffin, and Sessions |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Real
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| I don't quite get the trade comment. How can he be sure about a trade a year from now? If Baron has another year next year like 08-09, who's going to want him? And if he has a great year and the team makes the playoffs, why would the Clippers want to get rid of him? They are already going to have enough cap room to take run at a top FA even if they keep Baron. I'm not saying a trade won't happen. I just don't think anyone should be predicting one so far in advance. |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Real
Posted: Aug 07, 2009 - 03:08 PM PST
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| if we get sessions, we have to trade bdiddy next season. imagine we trade for melo or sign lebron or bosh. we would just dominate the league with sessions, ej, maybe lebron/melo, bg, and maybe bosh with deandre and kaman |
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Post subject: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a
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ClipfanSince88 wrote:
I don't quite get the trade comment. How can he be sure about a trade a year from now? If Baron has another year next year like 08-09, who's going to want him? And if he has a great year and the team makes the playoffs, why would the Clippers want to get rid of him? They are already going to have enough cap room to take run at a top FA even if they keep Baron. I'm not saying a trade won't happen. I just don't think anyone should be predicting one so far in advance.
Yeah. I think he is just reaching. If Baron has another bad year, I see him getting moved. if he has a great year and we make the playoffs, I honestly dont think they would move him and miss out on the opportunity to make back to back playoff appearance since the 90s! If we are able to land sessions, possibly....Honestly, i don't see it happening though. Other than that, it was a nice article. J.A. has not been talking smack as much since we got blake griffin. I also think OKC will have a nice year also and will have major improvement from last year. As the former powers decline, Phx, san antonio, etc. The younger teams will rise.like the clips and okc. |
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sz123456 wrote:
mvp1523 wrote:
we're going to make a big trade involving baron davis? thats the most interesting part of the article..
Seriously. That might be the motivation behind getting Sessions. Imagine if we got Baron off the books and we could entice an all-star with our young core of Gordon, Griffin, and Sessions
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Become a Real
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| what playoffs we should be lucky to get 30 wins |
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| They can win thirty easily if they shorten their third quarter nap from 5mins down to 3mins. LOL |
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what playoffs we should be lucky to get 30 wins
why are u even going to watch this season if u expect 30 wins GOD UR A RETARD! |
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Thornton just might be the biggest mystery on the team, well not more than BD, but again...
I think that Ralph Lawler said it best when he suggested that Thornton, while gifted, should work best off of the bench. I'm not saying that he's not good enough to start, but if somehow we have a better option at the small forward we should take it. Let's remember how he avaraged around 16 points last year but it was averaged over a high and low series of games. Some nights we saw him get 22, other nights 9, and everywhere in between. I know people will hate me for bringing it up but its the truth...just look at his game by game stats. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't start, but if somehow we can land a player that has more consistency we should take it and let him come off the bench. In many ways I think he reminds me of Lamar Odom...talented, but you wonder which version will show up each night |
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Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Clippers Dream of Playoffs May Becom
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CLIPPER$ZONE wrote:
what playoffs we should be lucky to get 30 wins
why are u even going to watch this season if u expect 30 wins GOD UR A RETARD!
Hey hey no insulting here, were a family, that and you dont wanna upset David the Red Button.... hehe
But aside from that I agree well said lakerh8r, I think personally we can top 30 games I think in truth out wins may hit around the 40 and above area, it would be a realistic guess. But if we top more than 50 I aint mad  |
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vegas whim: i just threw down $10 for the clippers to win it all next year. 1/125 odds.
lets go clippers lets go - clap clap. |
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Clipperfn4lf wrote:
CLIPPER$ZONE wrote:
what playoffs we should be lucky to get 30 wins
why are u even going to watch this season if u expect 30 wins GOD UR A RETARD!
4lf it's better you express your opinions respecting the rest of the forum. If you want to be respected here, respect the others as well. We don't like insults. |
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vegas whim: i just threw down $10 for the clippers to win it all next year. 1/125 odds.
lets go clippers lets go - clap clap.
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