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Post subject: Clippers Reportedly Going After Ariza....Your Thoughts
 Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:04 AM PST
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I know someone mentioned this on another thread, but I wanted to start a new post regarding this topic.
Here's the article where the news was reported:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4301414
Just wanted to get your thoughts?
Personally, I don't think it's a bad move at all. Honestly, he's better all around than Thornton and YOUNGER! He would definitely be a great pick up for the right price, otherwise, I think going after Kleiza wouldn't be a bad move either. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers Reportedly Going After Ariza....Your Thoughts
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:06 AM PST
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I would love Ariza.. but if we get him I really wouldn't want AL anymore...
Also i wouldnt pay more then 7-8 million for his services.. |
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Post subject: RE: Clippers Reportedly Going After Ariza....Your Thoughts
Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:15 AM PST
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According to Eric Pincus, that part of the espn report are not true. From his twitter: "clippers are not showing interest in Trevor Ariza - that part of the ESPN report is inaccurate"
Sounds like espn maybe threw us in the mix since we made the trade today, who knows. i like the idea as well if he didnt come too expensive. i think if we get lucky we can use that money to bring in a bigger name next offseason though. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:20 AM PST
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ariza is one of those guy who impact the game with his presence. his stats are not impressive but his actual game play is. I would love to see him in the clippers uniform. imagine all the media coverage we'll get especially in LA that we have stolen a laker fan favorite  |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:27 AM PST
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| I would love for this to happen because Ariza's defense was key to the Lakers road to the finals especially the inbound steal against the Nuggets and the thunderous jam after that. Our team could gain some momentum with a player of his caliber. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 12:32 AM PST
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| We could have been asking early. But after the trade reconsidered. I like the kid, but he is not a Novack type shooter to me. I think he benefited more from teams daring him to shoot. His defense is great, but I still kind of like Al... |
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| What's our mid level, like 7.4 or something? I think it's more than the Lakers can offer. From what I'm reading it just sounds like Ariza is insulted and wants to stick it to the Lakers. Who knows? That would be awesome if he came here, I'm sure he wants to live here |
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sz123456 wrote:
What's our mid level, like 7.4 or something? I think it's more than the Lakers can offer. From what I'm reading it just sounds like Ariza is insulted and wants to stick it to the Lakers. Who knows? That would be awesome if he came here, I'm sure he wants to live here
no our mid level is 5.6 million.. 7.4 million is our trade exception from the Q, Z. Randolph trade... |
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| As much as I like Ariza, I'm not exactly up for persuing him but at the same time wouldnt mind him on the team had it happened. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 02:15 AM PST
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| I'd rather spend the money in someone else. Thornton and Ariza are really similar. The only difference is Thornton is better offensively and Ariza is better defensively. |
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| I dont want Ariza. We have Novak behind AT and thats good enough for me. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 02:41 AM PST
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MrB wrote:
I dont want Ariza. We have Novak behind AT and thats good enough for me.
I agree he's pretty similar to Al but his defense is great. I think he'd fit in well and we could use him like Q Ross and put him on the other team's best wing. Although he seems like he'll be overpaid, I'd love any chance to stick it to the Lakers and their fans... |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 02:47 AM PST
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cliptastic wrote:
MrB wrote:
I dont want Ariza. We have Novak behind AT and thats good enough for me.
I agree he's pretty similar to Al but his defense is great. I think he'd fit in well and we could use him like Q Ross and put him on the other team's best wing. Although he seems like he'll be overpaid, I'd love any chance to stick it to the Lakers and their fans...
Sticking anything to the Lakers and their fans is sweet to me. But like you said and I agree he will be overpaid with his new deal. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 09:18 AM PST
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I am sorry but We Are Clipper Fans - I would rather eat my arm than treat a Laker player like he is awesome and try to aquire him
I am a Clippers fan before I am a Basketball fan and this Idea drives me wild
You think Yankee fans and Boston fans get pumped when they go after each others players? No You think when Manchester City goes after Manchester Unted players people get happy? No. What About the Raiders going after the Denver Ponys players? no
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| Ariza is a great off the ball defender ( anticipating passes) but is sub par defending his man. Anything more that what the Lakers are offering is overkill. In fact, I think the full MLE is a bit much. IMO |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 10:43 AM PST
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| Ariza is asking for to much...... |
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Ariza had a great playoff run, but hasn't been more than average over his career. In fact, if you don't look at the recent playoff run, you'd have to say that Thornton has been the better player over the last two years... And one playoff run does not a career make (Austin Croshere).
I'm content with Thornton as I don't see Ariza as much of an upgrade if at all. Much better to spend the money on a PG or combo guard. |
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| reports showing that either Portland or Toronto cant land Hedo, they will offer Ariza $30-40M deal. Eric Pincus twitter'd this :" League executives believe loser in the Hedo pursuit -Portland or Toronto will offer Ariza between $32 million -$40 mil " |
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| flat out, Ariza isn't worth the 7-8 mil a year he's asking for. Bad move for any team who pays that. |
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| I would like to see Ariza go to San Antonio where he will be a better fit. |
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lets look at it this way:
ariza is a slight upgrade from thornton for alot more money. |
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| The only reason I really want Ariza is it screws over the Lakers and it would piss them off badly. In reality I think he'll be going to Cleveland or Portland (if they don't get Hedo) |
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| clippers aren't going after ariza - think about it - they are literally dancing jigs right now at clipper central that they restored cap room in 2010 - they have a really nice core of kids - 1 at every position - they're going to go overpay for a role player in trevor ariza - and lose a shot at the best free agent class in years? Please. |
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emplay wrote:
clippers aren't going after ariza - think about it - they are literally dancing jigs right now at clipper central that they restored cap room in 2010 - they have a really nice core of kids - 1 at every position - they're going to go overpay for a role player in trevor ariza - and lose a shot at the best free agent class in years? Please.
thank you! well said. we just made a great trade that puts us in position to lure a really great player to our team in 2010. Noone is worth using our cap space on this summer and I for the most part (outside of getting some PG depth and hopefully signing Christmas after summer league) we should see how this core plays together before doing anything else big. |
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| I would love getting Ariza, one of my favorite players, however I don't blame the Lakers for not offering him more than the MLE and I don't see why we would. He is a great role player, but let's face it, not much more. And every team needs great role players, but not at 7-8 mil that he wants. As everyone else is saying, let's stay put with this roster and just fill in the holes with one year, vet min contracts and then see what you can do next year. You don't want to make a complete overhaul in one year.. |
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| i would say the same goes for childress - once the clippers got rid of zach and got q - any attempts to land a 3 are out the window. I wonder if they add another pg or rely on Taylor and Mardy Collins |
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pg Baron Davis Mike Taylor Mardy Collins
sg Eric Gordon Ricky Davis
sf Al Thornton Quentin Richardson Steve Novak
pf Marcus Camby Blake Griffin
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to start the season perhaps with Griffin bumping Camby at the first injury and keeping the start for good?!? |
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| the bench is pretty weak right now but with solid drafts and savvy free agent play it will develop with time |
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| waste of time!! we don't need him period! let's wait til 2010 and let's do some damage in F/A!!!!! |
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| I like Ariza's defense but now that we have Q it seems that we don't need another wing player. I do feel that we need to get a defensive minded player, like a Q Ross. Though it sounds like the Mavs are making him a strong offer though. |
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emplay wrote:
pg Baron Davis Mike Taylor Mardy Collins
sg Eric Gordon Ricky Davis
sf Al Thornton Quentin Richardson Steve Novak
pf Marcus Camby Blake Griffin
c Chris Kaman DeAndre Jordan
to start the season perhaps with Griffin bumping Camby at the first injury and keeping the start for good?!?
I like that to start the season with Blake and DeAndre hopefully getting plenty of minutes. Also, this is just my personal opinion but why shouldnt mardy collins get more playing time both at PG and SG? He was a solid defender last season, he has shown he can hit the open 3 and at least spread the floor (it seemed like he hit the 3 somewhat consistently when he took a few shots during a game and was starting at PG or SG) and despite being a horrible finisher he still got the rim and penetrated fairly well. I would like to see him more time.
I really like what we have going now though. We have a solid core to build around, and with that lineup, we have some players who we need to judge and evaluate as the season goes on. If players like Taylor and Collins have improved a lot, we are deeper than expected. If they havent improved or dont fit it, we now have the space to make the appropriate changes. |
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jarca wrote:
ariza is one of those guy who impact the game with his presence. his stats are not impressive but his actual game play is. I would love to see him in the clippers uniform. imagine all the media coverage we'll get especially in LA that we have stolen a laker fan favorite
He is a good role player but that is it. I know stats dont say everything but if you are getting paid more than $6 mill you better have stats to back it up. As I have stated before Ariza cannot create on his own and honestly didnt even play that amazing in the playoffs. He will most definitely be a complete disappointment to anyone who signs him for more than $6 mill/year. |
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rollingkiwi92 wrote:
lets look at it this way:
ariza is a slight upgrade from thornton for alot more money.
how is he an upgrade outside of defensively? Even then h is a good defender but not in the echelon in the league. Thornton is far superior on the other end to the offensively challenged Ariza, who was praised for 15 and 16 point games in the Finals. Any decent player who scored 15 or 16 points would get absolutely no praise. Imagine if thatwas Turkoglu, or Kobe, or Lewis, or Howard or even Pau? His expectations were so low that it gave him inflated value |
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clipperboy24 wrote:
rollingkiwi92 wrote:
lets look at it this way:
ariza is a slight upgrade from thornton for alot more money.
how is he an upgrade outside of defensively? Even then h is a good defender but not in the echelon in the league. Thornton is far superior on the other end to the offensively challenged Ariza, who was praised for 15 and 16 point games in the Finals. Any decent player who scored 15 or 16 points would get absolutely no praise. Imagine if thatwas Turkoglu, or Kobe, or Lewis, or Howard or even Pau? His expectations were so low that it gave him inflated value
I agree, As far as skill goes, Thornton is much better. Ariza thrives running away from commotion so he gets open looks, Al wants to beat you one on one and he is very capable of doing so. The only thing Ariza has on Al is wingspan, ridiculous wingspan |
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Trevor Ariza has never been loyal anywhere he goes......he left UCLA after a year and wasn't even good........now he gets on the lakers and thinks he is aweosme....Q Richardson has better stats and can offer more than Ariza.
And Comparing Ariza to Thornton is nuts ... Al Thorntons hustle is better, his talents are better and his athleticism is way better ...... If Thornton played with Kobe he would be just as unselfish as Ariza so that justification doesn't work........i would offer some Money to Linas Klezia, Marquis Daniels, Anthony Parker or Matt Barnes |
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| Id love Ariza. We could bench Al and have him come off the bench with newly acquired Q Rich along with Camby or Kaman to give us 3 strong bench playes all capable of starting. This would be great as well because we wouldn't have to play Ricky that much ( as Al or Ariza + Q Rich would be playing most of the SG/SF minutes/backup minutes ) and we throw in Jordan as well were just missing a PG - and if Taylor or Jones can fill that role while EG and Baron are on the pine, we'll have a helluva damn team |
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| I wouldn't pay more than 6 mil to ariza. I'd rather just resign novak. Our bench will be Taylor/collins@ pg, ricky at sg, q rich at sf, novak at pf, and deandre and camby at center |
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clipperboy24 wrote:
rollingkiwi92 wrote:
lets look at it this way:
ariza is a slight upgrade from thornton for alot more money.
how is he an upgrade outside of defensively? Even then h is a good defender but not in the echelon in the league. Thornton is far superior on the other end to the offensively challenged Ariza, who was praised for 15 and 16 point games in the Finals. Any decent player who scored 15 or 16 points would get absolutely no praise. Imagine if thatwas Turkoglu, or Kobe, or Lewis, or Howard or even Pau? His expectations were so low that it gave him inflated value
thats why i said SLIGHT upgrade. |
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toohipcliptoslip
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 07:54 PM PST
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Clipper All-Star
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| I don't even know if it's an upgrade. Look at Al's numbers and he was playing like elephant snot. As I mentioned in another post, DTS put a foot up his Black A** and promised to burn a cross in his yard if he doesn't shape up. He will. He can equal Ariaza. Eventhough he's got time left on his contract, if he doesn't show consistancy, he'll never get a payday. $7 mill is a lot different than $2-3 Money is a M***er F***er of a motivator. BD will help al lot (???) |
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LAC_12
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 07:57 PM PST
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Clipper All-Star
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| Do it... maybe not for 7 million, but im sure he wants to stay in LA - After UCLA, LAL... youd think hed like to stay. If we offer a bit more than the MLE and try to keep him here it will be great. |
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:04 PM PST
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i would offer some Money to Linas Klezia, Marquis Daniels, Anthony Parker or Matt Barnes....
Exactly.... Lets save our money for 2010. We might not be able to get Dwade or Lebron or even Bosh, but id rather make a run at those guys than give it to ariza. |
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LAC_12
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:04 PM PST
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| I would think LAL offered up to 7... but we should try just for the heck of it. |
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clipnasty
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:05 PM PST
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| Al is one of the worst off the ball defenders in the league. If you watch him he has no idea where to buy, is never in the passing lanes and lets his guy go off consistently. I think it is pretty well known around the league that he is an awful defender. I like AL as simply a 6th man type that can come in for a big spark, but would much prefer a better defender starting at the 3... |
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clipper*joe
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:26 PM PST
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MVP, MVP!
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LAC_12 wrote:
I would think LAL offered up to 7... but we should try just for the heck of it.
LAL only offered 5.6 million for Ariza. |
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toohipcliptoslip
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:37 PM PST
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Clipper All-Star
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| Al may benefit by some good coaching over the summer. He has the physical gifts. Anyway, I'll get Brittany Spears', her sister's and her Mom's phone numbers before we get Ariza. You laugh. Three rich, nasty women!! |
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SamMays
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Posted: Jul 02, 2009 - 08:55 PM PST
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Clipper All-Star
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Prior to Ariza having a big playoff this year, anyone would have considered Thornton the better player. I don't think a hot playoff series justifies a huge contract. Let him go, unless we can truly upgrade the position by moving Thornton or Q... Just get Ridnour or some other PG who can shoot.
Right now, the outside shooting of the regulars on this team is suspect, with the exception of Gordon. |
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