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JamFan
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So you say we need another PG? What happens if BDiddy gets hurt again? Need to replace the 20 PPG we gave up when Zach left town? Need a PG that can run an uptempo offense that we are apparently going to use next season? Don't want to mess up our cap space position for 2010? The sign Nate Robinson to a MLE deal for 5.5 Mil per season. All he did was score 17PPG on 44% from the field, with 4 assists, and flashy, crownd pleasing fast breaks and slam dunks. OH, he did all that in only 29 minutes per game. And who can stop him? Nobody I have ever seen. He is just a blur to most other players on the court trying to defend him. If not Nate, then who?

Sonnie
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we need to take a guy for only one year,'coz we will have more cap space for a big name next year.

But i'm agree with you about nate,he will be a very nice addition for us,he can play pg and sg as well,and he can give us more ppg than another backup in 20 min on the court.

But if we will not bring him who we'll choise?

We must make much attention on our moves,the priority is next year,remember...

Ah,but if we will don't take anyone next year,what do you think to take a run in the 2011 to Melo Anthony?

I like him in red&blue!!!

SamMays
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We definitely need someone and Nate is a good choice... Still, I'd like to see a distributor in that spot, more than a scorer... There are probably a few guys who could be gotten cheaply... Ridnour and Rafer Alston could be had inexpensively... T.J. Ford is another guy that could be had, though I think his price is too high... Lou Williams and Steve Blake (if he's out in Portland) would also be good.

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Not a big fan of Robinson. He fit well in the 7 seconds or less D'Antoni offense because he's a shoot first player. Not sure we want this guy running back-up PG for a team so controled buy the coach.

Sonnie
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Yes i'm agree with you,we already have a scorer,and a distributor who can take the ball will give us more help than an another scorer,but there are guy who accepts the MLE for 1 year?

uhhm i don't know,but the rafer alston idea i like much,he his in his finla year contract,maybe we can send collins,davis and cash to nets for him,but we will have more players for our roster that will be empty,what do you think?

Sonnie
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''we will have no players for our roster that will be empty''

i'm sorry

Cliptonyte
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I'd like to find a way to bring Livingston back to be our backup point

sz123456
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2nd unit guys should be nothing but energy and Robinson is perfect for that. Personally I hope we make an offer to Shannon Brown to screw over the Lakers Wink

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So what about Mike? You guys just want our future point guard to rot behind bdiddy and another point?

b_diddy
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haha i dont think that will quite screw over the lakers but im all for signing shannon brown. hes big, tough, extremely athletic, and can play the point and the 2. But one guy who's name I threw out there earlier is a guy Othyus Jeffers. He's a d-league player, about 6'3" and extremely tenacious. He can play both the 1 and 2, and will bring lots of energy off the bench. Because personally, why bring Nate in? I really think we have no need to bring in any "big" free agent right now because we really dont know what we TRULY need. We will be able to answer that question much more sufficiently this time around next year, and we have to remember this isn't just a one year overhaul.. patience. So for now, we should just fill the bench with possible young, breakout players who will come relatively cheap and provide lots of energy. I think shannon brown fits that mold, same with othyus jeffers, and my other idea of jamario moon somewhat fits the mold. But all will be cheap and shouldn't be expecting long term contracts.

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Personally, I'm not quite ready to call him the PG of the future. But you have a point in that we need to give him a shot and get him on the court to prove himself and build upon last year. If he becomes more consistent, he's a solid backup PG. That comes back to let's just wait and be patient, and learn what we have this year instead of just spending the money now. I really like what Dunleavy the GM is doing thus far this offseason in making solid moves, no rash decisions. Keep up good work, and just sign some inexpensive players to provide energy off bench. Because as much as I love this team, myself personally I just can't stand Ricky Davis, Mardy Collins, Skinner, Acker, and I think that's all from the bench last year that I've never liked.. haha. But I think Davis and Collins will be back so hopefully they at least perform.

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can we stop living in lala land and forget this 2010 thing? focus on improving our youthful core and this year thanks

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Personally I hope we make an offer to Shannon Brown to screw over the Lakers

haha i dont think that will quite screw over the lakers but im all for signing shannon brown. hes big, tough, extremely athletic, and can play the point and the 2. But one guy who's name I threw out there earlier is a guy Othyus Jeffers. He's a d-league player, about 6'3" and extremely tenacious. He can play both the 1 and 2, and will bring lots of energy off the bench. Because personally, why bring Nate in? I really think we have no need to bring in any "big" free agent right now because we really dont know what we TRULY need. We will be able to answer that question much more sufficiently this time around next year, and we have to remember this isn't just a one year overhaul.. patience. So for now, we should just fill the bench with possible young, breakout players who will come relatively cheap and provide lots of energy. I think shannon brown fits that mold, same with othyus jeffers, and my other idea of jamario moon somewhat fits the mold. But all will be cheap and shouldn't be expecting long term contracts.

Well the Lakers just wasted their MLE on Artest, so technically they cannot sign anybody else because they are already over the luxury tax, they can only resign Odom and Brown. If we take away Brown, they will be stuck with Fisher as the starter and Farmar as the backup unless they trade for somebody else. I heard that they're offering Brown like 1 million a year, we could easily top that.

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I have said it once and ill say it again, we do not need more shoot first guys.....

Afm
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I dont think we have a mle, just 7.4 mil to sign someone. Personally I'd like to see us snag lamar back.

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I am sure you are right, AFM. Sending Randolph brought our salary substantially below the cap.

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Given Baron's health and his attitude last year, we need someone who can step in and start if needed. He should also be someone who doesn't play shoot-first like Baron does... That's Nate to a tee and not the best choice... Again, I go back to Alston or Ridnour... They could come in and do the things that Baron doesn't do well; hustle, move the ball, play defense and, most important, lead the team in a positive way.

I wouldn't bring in a shoot first guy who would be like Mini-Baron... I also think Taylor has so far to go to be a point guard that we can't wait and hope for him... Right now, he's a good energy guy off the bench who can get hot, again like Robinson, but not yet as accomplished, so there would be redundancy there. If Taylor develops into someone who can pass the ball and see open teammates, that will be a nice bonus and a good problem to have... But a lot of guys like Taylor are never able to transition to real PG's.

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Espn's chris broussard said that iverson may consider a a 1 year deal at mle to up his value for next off season. We better not sign a.i. We still need a solid small forwrd imo. Ron artest would've been a nice fit. I hate the lakers so much.

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um. if we bring in robinson, its going to take away the cap space we have in 2010. and dont you think that if we only offer him a one-year deal for the mle, new york would have no problem matching it? so i dont think nate coming here is realistic.

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Nates another ballhog from New York. No thanks.

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Im not feeling Nate too much either. I think the role he would play on this team is really similar to the role Mike Taylor currently plays for this team, and Taylor is younger and also cheaper.

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Bingo.

ekker3
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this thread reminded me of how bad the knicks were with marbury, crawford, robinson, and randolph. YIKES! BALLHOGS!

dee
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nate has a horrible fg%. high energy though. we need rafer, from what i saw in the finals. he's a good shooter, and passes well. c'mon skip to my lou!

SamMays
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No more ex-Knicks... That team was totally disfunctional and we don't need players who learn the game the "Knicks" way... Which means every man for himself.

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Nate is an exciting player but I don't think he fits in this team. I kinda like him better wearing another team's colors. Instead of starting another thread, what about Farmar? Jordan could be on the way out to make room for Odom. And since the Lakers picked up the 4th year option of his contract, there only hope is to trade him. And since the team isn't looking to load up on players ( based on the article I posted), we can use part of our exception to get him without the Lakers absorbing any more contracts. It's a one....

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I like Nate Robinson- I think he can bring some fire and energy to the team. Farmar would provide better defense, though offensively is not as explosive. I would be pretty happy if we can add either one of these two guys.

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Also I am pretty sure we've already had a slam dunk champion before, no need to pay big bucks for another.

Our best FA bet was to go after Ramon Sessions. He is young, extremely talented and could in fact be a top 3 PG in this league ( Yeah up there with CP3 I said it ).

However with him gone my interest turned towards Chuckie V, but then the Pistons swooped him up. He would have made for a great player to play the 3 or the 4 for us. However, Detroit cleaned house again by getting Ben Gordon as well. Unbelievable.

What we could use now is a quick fix for the bench, maybe Iverson to a 1 year deal. Or anyone for a 1 year deal that has some good talent. Why not for 1 year? Maybe Nate wouldn't be bad for a year but he would never sign that kind of deal, ESP with him being way way under profile for the 2010 fa market.

If we can't get anyone of quality for a 1 year deal, then I say save the damn cap space and wait until 2010 and make a strong pitch at Lebron, D Wade, Chris Bosh etc.

JamFan
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AFM reminded me what Eric at Hoopsworld told me and that is any NBA team who is over the cap just 1 dollar has the MLE available so long as they have not already signed a player to a MLE contract. We currently do not have a MLE player but with the Zach trade there is little chance we will be over the cap unless we start spending big right now. Having said that, I am a big Mike Taylor fan. I actually think he has as much potential as any player mentioned in this thread. But we need another PG for insurance and Sessions is a guy we should be considering.

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They traded away Ariza to get Steve Francis one of those years too. I remember they though Francis and Marbury would be a dangerous backcourt and be a poor mans Isaih Thomas/Joe Dumars. I guess we all know how that worked out.

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I like Farmer, though I think we need a PG who can step in and start, which makes me wonder if he's good enough... I like Sessions, Ridnour or Rafer Alston... Farmer, I think, is a better bet than counting on Taylor though... As much fun as Taylor is to watch, I don't see him ever being a point guard. Being small, athletic and quick doens't make one a PG...

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lol so rondo isnt a pg? cause he really has no skill. he is small enough to go through and penetrate the defense with his quickness, and finishes with his athleticism.

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Didn't Sessions commit already? Not sure about Alston or Ridnour's contracts but they seem good, too. I would just not feel right sitting Alston though. I don't think that would sit right with him either.

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I hope that MDsr. is on the phone right now talking to teams that are looking to dump salary so that they can sign free agents. The few teams that come to mind that are looking to renounce players and/or trade are Toronto, Portland, and Utah to name a few. We could possibly get a player the same way we got Camby. I hope MD is doing something because I haven't heard any news about us at all recently.

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The difference between Rondo and Taylor is that Rondo can pass the basketball... He's a pass first guy and uses his athleticism to set up teammates primarily. Taylor uses his athleticism to set up himself, exclusively... Rondo's also played longer so is a better decision maker... He's made himself one of the top PG's in the game, though when he first came up, he was a lot like Taylor...

Sessions was a RFA, so signed... But the bucks have Ridnour (one year left), Sessions and Jennings coming in... That's too many PGs... One of them will go... Of course, with the stupid stuff Jennings has been saying, it will probably be him... Very immature kid... Glad we didn't have to go in that direction.

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Should we sign guys or wait for 2010 is the biggest question right now. I like the idea of waiting, but I've got the feeling that 2010 is just a big pipe dream. I think I'd be okay with the team going out and making moves rather than waiting for 2010. We could really make the team better this year with our available cap space or MLE which ever we have, the 7.3 million TPE, and with our expiring contracts.

If we choose to wait I might just be willing to go with the TPE for Ridnour, and then use whatever money we have to sign Barnes to a one year contract. Both of these deals would add to the depth of our team and would keep us in the 2010 bonanza.

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I'd be content to wait for 2010, provided we get a strong backup PG right now... I don't want to trust it all to Baron without a backup... I think this year is about answering questions. Is Blake a star, superstar or just a solid player? Same with Gordon? Is Thornton our SF for the next seven years? Will Kaman be focused and able to play? Will Taylor and Jordan be players we can count on? Until we know the answers to those questions, and we'll know them this time next year, we won't know the best moves...

It would be crazy to bring in a SF and find out that Thornton improved his jumper in the off-season. Or a Center if Kaman returns to 2006 form... What if last year wasn't an abberation for Baron and he's on the down side? Then we'll desperately need a PG, etc. Patience is a good idea for the rest of this year.

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^^ I'm on that some boat too. All we need is some insurance at the pg spot....And I am a happy camper for this season. If an opportunity arises, I would not balk at spending some cap, either. I am not sold on gaining a top prize in 2010 but I am hopeful that we will have an opportunity to get the missing pieces we need after we had the time to evaluate where we need the help.

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We really have to stop comparing Rondo and Mike Taylor just because of their similar size. I'm with Mays here, Mike Taylor is a shoot first guy, a shooting guard in a point guard's body if you will. And I seriously don't understand where you get this Rondo is no good thing at.. He did nearly average a triple double through the playoffs and with Pierce playing subpar basically carried the Celtics as far as possible, losing to the eventual Eastern Conference champs. So let Rondo be and stop with these comparisons because they're not very valid. And believe me I hate the Celtics, but I still know Mike Taylor is not Rondo. And don't get me wrong, I'm really intrigued by Mike Taylor as a guy to bring energy off the bench. However, I really dont think he's the future answer at the PG position, but with four more years on Baron's contract I don't think we need to be too worried about the PG of the future quite yet.. That being said I look forward to see if he progresses as a passing point though. I guess only time will tell..

SeanB
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wait is mike taylor still getting undeserving hype? dude was backup pg on a lottery team. lets see what he does this year, then we can determine whether he is pg of the future or not.

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i dont like waiting for 2010, cuase i think everyone( lebron bosh and wade) are all gonna stay put. MAYBE jsut MAYBE joe johnson and dirk and t mac and bosh MIGHT leave their current teams, but i doubt it.

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^^^ I think they'll mostly stay put too, but for the moment, I don't think we really know what our needs are. It would be ashame to spend big cap space on a SF, only to discover that Thornton is much improved and the Baron who played last year will return at last year's form. Our perceived needs now may be very different next year at this time... We've got somewhere between an average and very good player at every position now... Whether they'll be closer to very good or average is yet to be determined.

It makes it hard to commit to a course of action when there are so many unanswered questions.

b_diddy
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I dont see us getting one of the big stars either but that class is very deep, with many other quality players that we could sign and for a bargain at that since the teams vying for Bron, Wade, and Bosh will have their money tied up in offers to them and wont focus on others as much. I'm with Mays, our team is solid as is and let's wait until we know exactly what would make our team the best it could be at the time until we make a big splash. Until then, I hope we just make modest short term signings to plug temporary holes in rooster.

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lol so rondo isnt a pg? cause he really has no skill. he is small enough to go through and penetrate the defense with his quickness, and finishes with his athleticism.

The difference between Rondo and Taylor is that Rondo can pass the basketball... He's a pass first guy and uses his athleticism to set up teammates primarily. Taylor uses his athleticism to set up himself, exclusively... Rondo's also played longer so is a better decision maker... He's made himself one of the top PG's in the game, though when he first came up, he was a lot like Taylor...

Sessions was a RFA, so signed... But the bucks have Ridnour (one year left), Sessions and Jennings coming in... That's too many PGs... One of them will go... Of course, with the stupid stuff Jennings has been saying, it will probably be him... Very immature kid... Glad we didn't have to go in that direction.

I think would not be a good fit as many have mentioned before we dont need another shoot first PG.

As for Taylor, he actually is similar to Rondo in playing style. Rondo was more of a combo guard at Kentucky and only recently became a pass first PG. He was more a ball handler than facilitator and just this year he really stepped into that facilitator role. I could see Taylor doing something along those lines, but never getting to Rondo's level.

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