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I did have conversation with Eric Pincus who writes for Hoopsworld (and others) and he covers the Clippers and the Lakers. Eric seems to think that Brevin is a good fit for the Clips. In fact, his opinion is that Brevin is one of the most underrated guards out there. The reports of an offer by the Clips to Knight have been out there for a few days now. You have to wonder what the hold up is. Whatever it is, the Clips, as usual are not talking until they actually get a signing and hold a press conference. Meanwhile, we will have to watch out for rumor updates floated by his agents or whomever. Check out the link.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/clippe ... and-season

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Good stuff Jam! Thanks for the link. I think one of two things could be happening here:

A. Knight and his agent have the offer but may just be waiting to see if any other offers come in

B. The Clippers may be negotiating with the Wizards for Navarro and are possibly waiting until closer to the deadline. As I recall, the Wiz have until the end of the week to trade him or they lose his rights. They may start to get ancy....but who knows?

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Good! I know that it's not a done deal yet (so what else is new?) and that he's not the guy that maybe the popular vote would have come to the team, but BK is a proven commodity in the league. No, maybe he's not the PG that leads you to the promised round, but he's a competent backup that can run a team, defend, score a little, get the ball where it needs to be and even mentor JJ and the returning Livingston some. In other words, a pro who does his job. As a temporary move for a backup PG, (again, IF it happens) not bad, not bad at all. Plus, after seeming years, ok months... well weeks? (maybe it just seemed like a long time) of inactivity, it's nice to see the Clippers MAKE a move! Uh... if it happens.

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Yeah I agree guys- BK would be a great choice. It's odd that the deal hasn't been done already, and the closer we get to August 3rd (when signed rookies can be traded) the more likely it seems a trade is brewing. Perhaps not so coincidentally the Navarro deadline imposed by his Europe team is also August 3rd.

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For the relative cheap money it would take to get Navarro, he has the most upside. A guy who could be difference maker. Also, When Livingston comes back, Navarro can move from PG and make a great shooting guard. The key is, as Washington nears the deadline, they are faced with getting nothing for Navarro. So, hopefully we can get his rights without giving up to much. A first round pick would be a steep price to pay. A bench player with an expiring contract is a better deal for us to give up. Once done, Navarro reportedly will only be asking for 3.5 Mil and we can cap free money to sign him. And at that price I would sign him for as long as you can. Can we get him for 6 years and 20 Mil? What a bargain.

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Navarro would be a sweet pick up, but Memphis probably has the inside track because of the Gasol friendship, if they can use him. On the other hand, Dee Brown, the Utah backup last year and a guy coming off a pretty successful Summer League run seems suddenly available too. I guess the nice thing is that there DO seem to be some options at PG out there, we've just got to find the best fit, long or short term.

And hey... let's soft peddle the Thornton trade talk eh? I know the "it's a business" thing and all that but geez, I just followed him out here!

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Agreed Jamfan- that's the cool thing about Navarro- he can play both positions, and if Livingston does come back there's not much of a problem there. Though I think a first round pick isn't too bad especially considering that the team will likely have a pick in the late teens and early to mid-twenties. But yeah I wouldn't trade that Minnesota pick for him though cuz the Wolves are going to suck even more now that KG is probably headed over to Boston, and that 2011 draft pick might be a top 5.

And yeah no worries dwb- the Clippers are most likely holding on to Thornton- the front office & coaching staff really likes him. It'd probably take some too-good-to-pass deal for him to get traded at this point.

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Hmmm...hopefully the Clippers won't get screwed by the Garnett trade. Boston already gave up Delonte West in the Ray Allen trade. Now they are giving up Sebastian Telfair in the Garnett package. I'm really hoping that Brevin Knight don't look at that situation, with three all-star players, and see a chance of him running the show for the Celtics next year. Granted, Knight likely isn't going to be a huge difference maker for the Clips but at this point, he's the best point guard out there. We'll see....

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Yeah hopefully BB- though they're not going to have much $ for anybody now that they have Pierce, Allen, and now KG.

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David, that has been my dream for months now! It'll be like when the playoff Lakers got to draft Worthy. Icing on the cake!

dwb, I apologize about the Thornton suggestion. I am also geeked about about him being a Clipper, but just trying to come up with an explanation of the lack of activity. I will speak it no more!

And excellent point BB, and scary. Just when we thought there were no more teams in the PG hunt.

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http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/16656

So, what do you folks think: Is Hudson a pg possibility?

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Rumor has it that Big Ben has been doing roadwork, has actually found both of his shoes, and is looking for a comeback. We just might have our new backup center. He also makes a good airport player. Looks good getting off the plane. And that game face! Whew! Do ya think he will be able to get free tickets for us TopBuzz fans?

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I just read an article that says there are 7 teams interested in Navarro. Barcelona gave Washington till Aug. 3rd to BUYOUT his contract. Washington is over the salary cap which means whoever wants his rights needs to pay Barcelona 3 million just to have the rights to him. But you need to pay the PIPER (Washington)in order to do so. Washington can't buyout his contract because the are over the cap. This is why they need future draft picks for his rights. I see no other way they can get something back for him. They can't make an outright trade because they can't take on anymore salary. Now, where does that put us????? Out of the loop! We can't trade anyone to Washington, We don't have enough to buy out his barcelona contract and sign him so, we are left with nothing. We can offer a draft pick but with very little money to offer Navarro after the buyout...I don't see it.

If Washington can't get a deal done by Aug. 3rd., Barcelona will re-sign Navarro and ask for 14 million to buy him out. That was the original BUYOUT price. Barcelona dropped it so Navarro could get his chance in the NBA. Even at 3 million , nothing is happening. It also looks like Washington might not want to deal with Miami since they are both from the same division. Anyway they just got smush. I looks like they might just sit on him and let it go to waste or maybe they are working with some other team on the sly. What say you....

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ClipperJoe remember that we still have the full MLE (~$5.5 mil). Also keep in mind that an NBA team can only contribute $500K towards any buyout, which means that Navarro would pretty much have to pay the rest of it himself (~$2.5 mil). So I think it's possible if the Clippers want to pursue him- as long as they're willing to pay him like $3.5 mil/yr for 3 or 4 years which I think is a bargain.

G-Man04
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Just heard on ESPN Radio that the Celtics are now in the market for a veteran PG and Knight was at the top of the list. They didn't mention it but to my knowledge Boston still has their full MLE as well.

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Like Benoit says...the opportunity to play with KG, Pierce and Ray Ray is very tantalizing. Should be interesting who he signs with.

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Hmmmm...I didn't know about the $500k limit( where did you source this from, and does it apply to european players) but I was aware of the MLE. That would leave $3.5 just like you said. Now, if he was to sign 3 to 4 years for $3.5 and still use $2.5 to buyout his current contract, do you think his agent would accept and offer like this, That would be 1 mil for the first season! My point was that even at that point, I'm sure the other 5 teams interested in him can offer much more than we could . The article stated that Barcelona dropped the $14 mil down to $3mil because they wanted him to play in the NBA. Now if they dropped that price that low why was it???? was it because Navarro didn't want to pay that much or was it because the team would somehow end up paying that much( incentives, bonuses etc.)????Buyouts can be hidden in contracts but I still am a little confused about this. His agent also said that the rate would go back up to $14mil after Aug 3rd when barcelona would re-sign Navarro. Barcelona's team starts training camp in a few weeks. Sounds like a threat to all teams interested if you ask me. In any case, it really wasn't about the buyout $ but rather the little money (MLE) we have to spend to attract him.

Don't get me wrong, I would love for Navarro to join the team but I don't see it happening. Just trying to keep it real.

By the way, the article can be found in Fannation.com under NBA RUMORS

article was taken from the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com (posted July 27th)

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Check out these results at Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& ... ut+maximum

He/his agent has said that a contract of $12 mil over 3 years is acceptable:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... amp;spln=1

I would suppose that teams with their full MLE are in the running for his services. So the question is who has their MLE left and is interested? But yeah as long as the deal is done on or before August 3rd the buyout would stay at $3 mil.

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I did have conversation with Eric Pincus who writes for Hoopsworld (and others) and he covers the Clippers and the Lakers. Eric seems to think that Brevin is a good fit for the Clips. In fact, his opinion is that Brevin is one of the most underrated guards out there. The reports of an offer by the Clips to Knight have been out there for a few days now... Check out the link. http://www.ocregister.com/sports/clippers-knight-guard-1781415-strickl and-season
Uhmm, JamFan, the reports of an offer by the Clips to Knight have been out there for more than 10 days now. Besides that was already....

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david wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
Hmmmm...I didn't know about the $500k limit( where did you source this from, and does it apply to european players)

Check out these results at Google:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& ... ut+maximum

He/his agent has said that a contract of $12 mil over 3 years is acceptable:

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/player ... amp;spln=1

I would suppose that teams with their full MLE are in the running for his services. So the question is who has their MLE left and is interested? But yeah as long as the deal is done on or before August 3rd the buyout would stay at $3 mil.

Thanks for the info.

I could not find anything about a buyout max. ($500k). I did read an article (http://netsdaily.com/blog/?p=117) about the NETS trying to obtain Miles Ilic. It's funny that all it taked about how the European teams benefit on the buyouts. It talks about how teams selling contracts benefit the most. Here is a direct quote from a NBA GM;

“Buyouts are a big factor,” says one NBA GM in speaking of European teams’ finances. “Buyouts, particularly for a team in Serbia or Croatia, are advantaga big money maker for them. It’s how they sustain their clubs.”

That looks to me like the team is buying out the contrac and not the player.

Here is another quote;

At the same time, Nets GM Ed Stefanski is about to visit Ilic on his annual scouting trip to Europe. In fact, it’s possible the reports are timed to Stefanski’s visit. Ilic’s current team, FMP Zeleznik, and/or his agent, Marc Cornstein, may want the Nets to get into bidding war for Ilic. It would be advantageous for both to have the Nets buy him out this summer and bring him over to New Jersey, something the Nets are not certain they want to do.

Now, doesn't this prove the teams buyout the contracts ? It doesn't say they help buyout ($500k)?????

Here is the quote again:

"It would be advantageous for both to have the Nets buy him out this summer and bring him over to New Jersey, something the Nets are not certain they want to do."

Thanks again David for the info.

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No problem- here's a better Google query that'll show the info:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& ... contribute

e.g.:

The maximum an NBA team can contribute to a buyout is $500000. A buyout of Fernandez's contract THIS YEAR would cost about $2.2 million, of which the player ...

The maximum that NBA teams can contribute towards a buyout is now $500000 instead of the $350000 it was last year. Andrea Bargnani: Bargnani is reportedly ...

What normally transpires is if players are heading to the NBA, the price for ... How much are you allowed to spend towards a buyout? Our maximum is $500000. ...

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....your right according to the Portland Tribune. I wonder why on the article I found had it different. They quoted a GM. In any case, I'll drop this since you have numbers and I don't...Good research!

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I like Navarro. I think he would be a better fit than Mobley. Sounds like a better shooter, can play the point, and we already have a great defender at the 2 (Q. Ross) if we need a SG defensive stopper. I say work a trade to clear cap space with Mobley and sign Navarro!

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We would sign Navarro with MLE money so we do not have to clear cap space. Anyway, because the Knight deal has never materialized, makes me wonder if one side or the other (maybe both) are not sure. If both sides felt good about Knight coming here, I think this deal would be done already. Because it hasn't, it makes me think that maybe this is not a match made in heaven.

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Eddie House signs with the Celtics

As reported on ESPN.com. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2957622

This could be a sign that Knight may end up signing with us. They also need some big men so let's hope for the best.

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