Ive also read this morning that the Bucks are looking into signing Hakim Warrick. That means they lose some cap space, which means they have a little less for Sessions. I really think Sessions can be had for an excellent price if we strike at the right time. I have faith that Dun is monitoring this situation closely.
Warrick is the guy we should be going after. He fills a need, which is an athletic SF and is a decent defender. Much better than Thornton, although that's not saying much. Dunleavy needs to stop wasting his time with Sessions and start focusing on filling team needs. We already have Telfair who still is capable of being a good backup PG and is still quite young, so he has plenty of potential left in him. Telfair just needs minutes and he'll produce.
Wasting the MLE on Sessions would be stupid when we have other pressing needs that need to be addressed...preferably a backup/starting SF and backup SG.
^^^ Dunleavy's pursuit of Sessions is about one thing. His lack of trust in Baron. If Baron played hard last year and well, there is no way Dunleavy would be working this hard to get Sessions... But because of the way Baron played, Dunleavy wants someone who is good enough to take Baron's place if he doesn't bring it this year... Telfair is not that guy... Sessions is better... If Sessions is landed, I think Dunleavy will move Telfair for someone like Warrick, or a 2/3 swingman.
i just cant wait to see what happens with sessions and ai. lets just get one of them and get it over already so we can get rid of telfair and get a sf/sg already
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^^^ Dunleavy's pursuit of Sessions is about one thing. His lack of trust in Baron. If Baron played hard last year and well, there is no way Dunleavy would be working this hard to get Sessions... But because of the way Baron played, Dunleavy wants someone who is good enough to take Baron's place if he doesn't bring it this year... Telfair is not that guy... Sessions is better... If Sessions is landed, I think Dunleavy will move Telfair for someone like Warrick, or a 2/3 swingman.
I am not sure Dunleavy is working hard on Sessions, according to today's reports, it looks like he is keeping his options open for the best avail. combo guard. If he really wanted him, he would have made the offer already. There is nothing holding him back...there are no takers for sessions. With the possible addition of Warrick, the time is now.
^^^ Dunleavy's pursuit of Sessions is about one thing. His lack of trust in Baron. If Baron played hard last year and well, there is no way Dunleavy would be working this hard to get Sessions... But because of the way Baron played, Dunleavy wants someone who is good enough to take Baron's place if he doesn't bring it this year... Telfair is not that guy... Sessions is better... If Sessions is landed, I think Dunleavy will move Telfair for someone like Warrick, or a 2/3 swingman.
I am not sure Dunleavy is working hard on Sessions, according to today's reports, it looks like he is keeping his options open for the best avail. combo guard. If he really wanted him, he would have made the offer already. There is nothing holding him back...there are no takers for sessions. With the possible addition of Warrick, the time is now.
Dunleavy is still in the hunt for Sessions as other have fallen away... I think it's Milwaukee that's playing this one tough. They obviously like Sessions, but are caught between a rock and a hard place financially. I suspect Dunleavy would like to get this done sooner rather than later so he can move on to SF... Since Dunleavy hasn't gone in that direction year, I think we can assume he doesn't want to do anything that might interfere with getting Sessions until he's actually gotten Sessions...
Sure, he inquired about a lot of people, but Sessions is the guy everyone keeps mentioning... Nobody is linking the Clippers to Felton or anyone else.
I agree, if Milwaukee grabs Warrick, that might be the best time to make an offer... Of course, it has to be an offer that Sessions signs off on, another thing making this difficult. And I do believe the flirtation with Sessions is about Baron... If Dunleavy loved Baron, he wouldn't be interested in Sessions... He'd accept Telfair and would have moved on to a swing man already.
Warrick is the guy we should be going after. He fills a need, which is an athletic SF and is a decent defender. Much better than Thornton, although that's not saying much. Dunleavy needs to stop wasting his time with Sessions and start focusing on filling team needs. We already have Telfair who still is capable of being a good backup PG and is still quite young, so he has plenty of potential left in him. Telfair just needs minutes and he'll produce.
Grizzlies fans will tell you that Warrick is NOT an SF. He's a PF all the way. They say he's too slow to guard SF's.
Seems the stock in Sessions is falling around the league it's come down to at this point Bucks, Knicks, or Clippers.
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Grizzlies fans will tell you that Warrick is NOT an SF. He's a PF all the way. They say he's too slow to guard SF's.
Plus he cant shoot from the outside....22% 3 point shooting for career...hes more of a small 4 and a capable defender. I dont really see a need for him thou.
Warrick would be a fit for the Bobcats with Chandler in the drop off of points allows them to get a players that is all offense. Bringing him off the bench there is a must even if they get A.I.
Warrick is the guy we should be going after. He fills a need, which is an athletic SF and is a decent defender. Much better than Thornton, although that's not saying much. Dunleavy needs to stop wasting his time with Sessions and start focusing on filling team needs. We already have Telfair who still is capable of being a good backup PG and is still quite young, so he has plenty of potential left in him. Telfair just needs minutes and he'll produce.
Grizzlies fans will tell you that Warrick is NOT an SF. He's a PF all the way. They say he's too slow to guard SF's.
Yeahhhhh but Thornton isn't exactly the most stellar defender either and Al is a worthy starter. Warrick would be a terrific addition off the bench.
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Sources say that Donnie Walsh is ready to offer Milwaukee point guard Ramon Sessions the first Knicks restricted contract of the summer. The deal would be a modest one, but it would cut into the precious 2010 fund, something Walsh been reluctant to do. But the delay appears to be over the status of Bruce Bowen with the Bucks.
"Sessions is more of a priority than Nate because he fits the system so perfectly," one source said. "But it would seem the Bowen situation seems to be holding everything up."
What Milwaukee does with Bowen has the Knicks' attention and seems to be the reason Walsh has yet to make the Milwaukee guard an offer.
Forget Ramon. Telfair and Taylor will have to do as PG backups but Bricky and Collins won't be enough as SG backups. We need to be looking around for that reliable SG/SF like ASAP.
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Forget Ramon. Telfair and Taylor will have to do as PG backups but Bricky & Collins won't be enough as SG backups. We need to be looking around for that reliable SG/SF like ASAP.
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If you trust Baron, I'm sure you're fine with him and Telfair... If Baron plays well, hard and stays healthy, we'll be fine without Sessions... I don't trust Baron as far as I can throw him.
I am wondering what is going on with Sessions. Looks like NY is resigning Robinson. So we might be able to land him for cheap. Or trade a couple players and get Sessions for cheap while slashing payroll.
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I read that 6 teams are after Warrick, and Milwaukee is definitely one of them. If we don't get Sessions, Warricks would be a nice consolation prize
Why do we have to spend money on another PF like Warrick having already Griffin and Craig Smith while we still have noone reliable to replace Thornton and Gordon!!!!????
I read that 6 teams are after Warrick, and Milwaukee is definitely one of them. If we don't get Sessions, Warricks would be a nice consolation prize
Why do we have to spend money on another PF like Warrick having already Griffin and Craig Smith while we still have noone reliable to replace Thornton and Gordon!!!!????
Because I think that Warrick is capable of playing the 3 considering his length and athleticism. He'd be a backup, he doesn't have to be a prototypical SF
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^^^ Yes, after getting Baron's replacement, er, backup, a 2/3 swingman should be the next priority... Perhaps Telfair will be enough to get that done...
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I read that 6 teams are after Warrick, and Milwaukee is definitely one of them. If we don't get Sessions, Warricks would be a nice consolation prize
Why do we have to spend money on another PF like Warrick having already Griffin and Craig Smith while we still have noone reliable to replace Thornton and Gordon!!!!????
Because I think that Warrick is capable of playing the 3 considering his length and athleticism. He'd be a backup, he doesn't have to be a prototypical SF
If I'm not wrong I already told you Warrick has never played as SF...but ei if you like experiments then no problem...
I'd prefer a 2-3 player as danobaseball posted but I'm still not able to find the right name
If I'm not wrong I already told you Warrick has never played as SF...but ei if you like experiments then no problem...
I'd prefer a 2-3 player as danobaseball posted but I'm still not able to find the right name
Really? Never? Not once? Not once in his career? Tell me how many Memphis Grizzlies games on average do you see a year? 2? 3 possibly? How many Syracuse games did you watch while he was there?
Not like I'm an expert, I've only seen him play a handfull of times. I know he has a nice mid-range shot, he's got great length and terrific explosiveness. He definitely can't play the 2, but he can play the 3 for sure just based on his tools:
If the argument to use Warrick as our primary backup for the SF position, please stop now. He only does well because nobody runs the offense in Memphis, nobody cares and he's a black hole.
Yes I've watched Grizzlies games, and yes I've seen the GRizzlies in person. He shoots almost immediately when receiving the ball and hardly ever passes.
He's an OK player, he does have some skill but I think its overshadowed by the fact he gets good numbers on a team thats god awful.
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If I'm not wrong I already told you Warrick has never played as SF...but ei if you like experiments then no problem...
I'd prefer a 2-3 player as danobaseball posted but I'm still not able to find the right name
Really? Never? Not once? Not once in his career? Tell me how many Memphis Grizzlies games on average do you see a year? 2? 3 possibly? How many Syracuse games did you watch while he was there?
Not like I'm an expert, I've only seen him play a handfull of times. I know he has a nice mid-range shot, he's got great length and terrific explosiveness. He definitely can't play the 2, but he can play the 3 for sure just based on his tools:
If I'm not wrong Pau Gasol played for the Grizz before playing for the lakers and I can assure you that there where more Grizzlies games televised in Spain than for the national TV in US...
Brian cardinal, Jake Tsakalidis, Antonio Burks, Casey Jacobsen...are no secret for me
And about Syracuse I watched some games and he played inside while Melo played the 3...
I could review all his stats looking if he has ever player one single game as a SF but it would be too boring. sorry
And about the vid...wow. 3:07 min dunking the ball playing as a PF!!!You could have explained what this video was about before and I wouldn't have wasted my time
If I'm not wrong Pau Gasol played for the Grizz before playing for the lakers and I can assure you that there where more Grizzlies games televised in Spain than for the national TV in US...
National TV likely wouldn't televise much of Memphis. I have the League Pass though, every game was televised through that service, so unless they were showing Grizzlies scrimmages in Spain, I think we've seen the same amount of this team.
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I could review all his stats looking if he has ever player one single game as a SF but it would be too boring. sorry
I wouldn't want to look up stats that proved me wrong either....
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And about the vid...wow. 3:07 min dunking the ball playing as a PF!!!You could have explained what this video was about before and I wouldn't have wasted my time
If you read my post you'd see that my argument is that he has the tools to play SF - Length, explosiveness, slashing ability. The one thing he doesn't have is a long range shot which most SF's should have. However Thornton is a poor 3-point shooter and he works well for our team. Trevor Ariza was an embarrassing 3-point shooter before this year, but people can learn.
Warrick is hardly the end-all-be-all answer for our team. What I do know is right now our backup SF will probably be Ricky Davis and there aren't many free agents out there to choose from. If your alternative is to make a trade, who do you want to trade? Who on our team is expendable? Because not that many teams are gonna jump at the idea of picking up Mark Madsen or Ricky Davis
I think every day that the Knicks or Sixers look at someone else, the better our odds... I think Dunleavy will make a play for him... I just have trouble believing that Dunleavy is going to entrust next season to Baron... Telfair is a nice backup, but I think Dunleavy is going to want to get someone in who has starter potential in that spot.
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Knicks To Choose Between Tinsley And Sessions By End Of Week
Donnie Walsh is expected to decide within one day or two whether to make an offer to Jamaal Tinsley or Ramon Sessions.
The Knicks believe that either point guard represents an upgrade over incumbent Chris Duhon, whose play and fitness fell off dramatically over the final 30 games last season. Tinsley is a short-term solution with a more impressive resume than Sessions. Plus, he is cheaper to sign.
Sessions, though, is only 23 and is only going to get better. Steve Nash enjoyed his best years in Mike D’Antoni’s offense so perhaps taking a chance on Sessions, a restricted free agent, is worth the risk.
The other long-shot candidate is Allen Iverson. The Knicks have debated whether to take a one-year flier on Iverson, who flamed out last season in Detroit. Walsh and Iverson’s agent, Leon Rose, have held preliminary talks but the Knicks have not and probably won’t make an offer.
But if you’re looking to be a playoff team next season - remember, the Knicks don’t have a first-round pick for the 2010 NBA Draft - which player gives you the best chance to succeed; Tinsley, Sessions or Iverson?
For better or worse, Iverson will create more buzz. Plus, he has the most to lose since this coming season may be his last to prove whether he can still be a productive player.
There were strong indications Thursday night that the New York Knicks were assembling the final details of a multi-year offer sheet they believe will ultimately land Milwaukee Bucks restricted free agent Ramon Sessions.
Terms of the proposed deal were not immediately available, but NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the Bucks were indeed bracing for the offer sheet and more likely to focus on trying to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to the signature of athletic power forward Hakim Warrick rather than concern themselves with matching what's coming to Sessions.
I was distinctly told by one trusted source that the Knicks believe they can add Sessions -- potentially with a front-loaded deal inspired by the Portland offer sheet recently signed by Paul Millsap and then matched by Utah -- without affecting their well-chronicled strategy to leave enough salary-cap space to recruit at least one maximum-salaried free agent in the summer of 2010.
That plan, after doomed free-agent flirtations with Jason Kidd and Grant Hill earlier this month, would look even more solid if restricted free agents David Lee and Nate Robinson indeed return on one-year contracts. Lee and Robinson would thus become unrestricted free agents next summer while helping the Knicks maintain maximum flexibility.
ESPN.com reported earlier Thursday evening that Warrick, who was transformed from a restricted free agent to an unrestricted free agent last week when the Grizzlies withdrew their qualifying offer, was deciding between Cleveland, Philadelphia and Milwaukee and preparing to choose his new team as early as Friday.
The athletic power forward averaged 11.6 points and 5.0 rebounds last season for the Grizz. If the Cavs -- who still have their $2 million bi-annual exception to offer, as Brian Windhorst of the Cleveland Plain Dealer helpfully reminds -- could add Warrick to Anthony Parker and Jamario Moon, that would be three interesting bargains to supplement their trade for Shaquille O'Neal and the pricey re-signing of Anderson Varejao.
Milwaukee, though, would be able to outbid Cleveland for Warrick if the Bucks are indeed prepared to let Sessions go, leaving rookie Brandon Jennings and Luke Ridnour at point guard.
There were strong indications Thursday night that the New York Knicks were assembling the final details of a multi-year offer sheet they believe will ultimately land Milwaukee Bucks restricted free agent Ramon Sessions.
Terms of the proposed deal were not immediately available, but NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the Bucks were indeed bracing for the offer sheet and more likely to focus on trying to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to the signature of athletic power forward Hakim Warrick rather than concern themselves with matching what's coming to Sessions.
Oh man, I wonder if we're out of the race. Then again, sometimes we make big moves when there is no word that we are, kinda like that Telfair trade. The Knicks offer can't be that impressive considering their cap situation, I really hope we make a play for this guy
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There were strong indications Thursday night that the New York Knicks were assembling the final details of a multi-year offer sheet they believe will ultimately land Milwaukee Bucks restricted free agent Ramon Sessions.
Terms of the proposed deal were not immediately available, but NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the Bucks were indeed bracing for the offer sheet and more likely to focus on trying to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to the signature of athletic power forward Hakim Warrick rather than concern themselves with matching what's coming to Sessions.
Oh man, I wonder if we're out of the race. Then again, sometimes we make big moves when there is no word that we are, kinda like that Telfair trade. The Knicks offer can't be that impressive considering their cap situation, I really hope we make a play for this guy
Even if we make a play for him, I think he signs with the Knicks. They can offer him a starter's job, we can't. Once the offer is made, we are done. In fact, I think we have been done for about a week.
^^Yeah, I hardly feel confident about it anymore. But I will say that money is typically the last word in these kinds of decisions. Lamar Odom would've been a starter at Miami, but he went for the money instead. Might be different for Sessions though who is young and probably eager to make a name for himself, we'll see.
There were strong indications Thursday night that the New York Knicks were assembling the final details of a multi-year offer sheet they believe will ultimately land Milwaukee Bucks restricted free agent Ramon Sessions.
Terms of the proposed deal were not immediately available, but NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com that the Bucks were indeed bracing for the offer sheet and more likely to focus on trying to beat the Cleveland Cavaliers to the signature of athletic power forward Hakim Warrick rather than concern themselves with matching what's coming to Sessions.
Oh man, I wonder if we're out of the race. Then again, sometimes we make big moves when there is no word that we are, kinda like that Telfair trade. The Knicks offer can't be that impressive considering their cap situation, I really hope we make a play for this guy
Yeah I was hoping for the Clippers to sign him to an offer sheet but since we landed Telfair it's really put a damper in that plan. I can't say for sure but an generous offer sheet might have been enough to pry him away. Still....Sessions or Telfair and Smith...?
Shame the Bucks wouldn't do a sign and trade switching Sessions with Telfair so they would at least get something in return.
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