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TD
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How about C-Webb? A 1 year contract to rotate with Thomas and Kamen.

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I wouldn't. He was one of my favorite players a long time ago but as much as I hate to admit it, he has lost a lot of his game. Ever since his injury (micro-fracture of his knee) sometime back, he has never fully recovered. Aside from that, he would not be interested. He has stated that he would like to go to Dallas or stay with Detroit. He also said that he was going to retire prior to knowing Dallas was interested in him. Personally, I think he will retire. He wouldn't fit with Clippers anyhow. He can't play defense anymore. He isn't quick enough to switch to the weak side. He has no lift. I see no use for him in L.A. as much as it hurts to say it.

I would leave things as they are for now. We have some young talent (Paul Davis,Yaroslav Korolev & Al Thorton) that can gain experience while EB is out. We also have Aaron Williams as the Veteran. Mike D. will have to figure out how he will utilize them. I would much rather see what we have on our bench before bringing some average player or trade for someone. This will work out. Look, if for some reason we don't make the play-offs, Mike Dunleavy will have a much better understanding of who to keep and who to let go. We have some young talent on the bench and I don't want to see it go untested. If we don't go to the play-offs then we might have a good chance of getting lucky in the lottery ( worst case scenario). If we play the youngsters and it turns out they can play well without EB, It will only be frosting on the cake when he returns. We cannot get a quality player without a trade. I don't want to trade someone and find out we were better off leaving things alone. Let's wait and see what the bench can do first.

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PJ Brown & Anderson Varejao are two that come to my head...I dont know if they'd even sign for what we have left of our MLE. PJ is a solid veteran who can score and rebound fairly well still, Varejao isnt gonna score consistently, but he will grab boards, block shots and give a boost of energy to our frontcourt. Varejao might be the best bet here, but would he come here for the amount of money we have available?? Maybe work a multiple year deal where he only makes what we can afford this year and more next year?? I dunno....we'll see what Elgin has up his sleeve. I think he's gonna get the Kandi Man back and hypnotize him to play like an all-star!!! J/K...hehe.

clippersforlife33
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i want kmart. his been thru alot of problems but i think his a perfect fit for clips

TD
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Here's an idea ... Mobley for Artest. Resulting Lineups =

Clips

PG Cassell / Knight / Jordan

SG Maggette / Q. Ross

SF Artest / Thorton

PF Thomas / Thorton

C Kamen / Davis / Williams

Kings

Bibby

Mobley

Martin

Abdur-Rahim

Miller

I think this is actually a very good fit for the Clips. Artest has a 2 year contract. This team would be VERY good defensively and would have a good shot at playoffs. Your thoughts?

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Sacramento would never make this trade. Hell, they didn't trade for Maggette last year. Mobley came from Sacramento and I don't think they would want him back. Plus, Mobley (6'4") is a guard and Artest( 6'7") is a forward. We have plenty of forwards on the roster. This would only take away from the other guys that need to be tested. Artest is a great player but unstable. We need Mobley's leadership (very positive) and without him I don't think Cassell can carry all the burden. Artest is far from a leader and I really don't like his decision making when it comes to offense. He takes ill-advised 3 pt'ers . Plus, he doesn't get along with other players. Case in point, Mike bibby and Artest have had a not so happy experience together as players on the same team. I don't want that here. Artest would want to get time off for promoting his music like he did with Indiana. Hell, he would be in Los Angeles where it is widely known as the music capital of the world! But to answer your question....I don't think so.

TD
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I agree with the concern, this is a risk, but we are weak at SF / PF defensively with Brand out. Since we have several players who can play SG or SF, I was thinking we could trade for a strong player capable of playing SF / PF. Then, when Brand is back at full strength, we aren't just benching a backup PF. I really think Mobley & Maggette are interchangeable at SG with Q Ross a good backup at low cost. Artest is a hungry player who will raise the teams expectations and intensity at practice. I think Thorton would have the right kind of practice matchup needed to take-over the starting position at all-star level once Artest's contract is up in 2 years.

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It shouldn't be a risk if Maggette gets the SF position instead of the #2 guard. This way, Mobley starts at the #2 spot w/ Ross coming off the bench or vise versa. We can always trade during the course of the season. I would see what we start with before we make the change otherwise, we will never know what the guys on the bench can do. That would be a shame.

I understand our weakness at forward but if we make that change, we will be overloaded with forwards once he comes back. We need shooters not defense. Artest is not a shooter. He is more of an inside man with great defensive skills. I can see where your coming from. He can post and play defense like Brand but he could never bring the total package or assume the responsibility that Brand has over the years. I can say this, we both bring good points to the table.

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Yeah we'd be losing a lot of 3 pt shooting if Mobley were gone. Artest is a great player but who knows what he might do next to self-destruct. At this point I think he's a little too risky.

I would love for CWebb to sign with us- he's getting old but he can still score and is a great passer. We might be able to offer him more money than Dallas (since they're also trying to sign Eddie Jones) so maybe that could sway him. As for clippersforlife33's idea of KMart- he would be even better, but he's still under contract for a couple more years with Denver- a MASSIVE max contract I might add. So there's pretty much no chance there unless there's some sort of buyout.

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I forgot about the great passing skills! That might tilt the scale for me...now. But the fact remains that he would not sign w/ us because he was leaning towards retirement prior to the Mavs showing interest. The guy wants a ring and I not sure we can give him what he is looking for this year. He wants to go into a situation where he can ride to the promised land, not think he will take them there. By the way, Eddie Jones agreed to terms about 10 days ago with the Mavs. They have backed off from showing interest in C-WEBB.

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C Webb would indeed be good but he does want to go to a team he fantasizes as stronger than us. Also not to be too redundant but Artest is most likely bipolar (manic-depressive). He is now has been and always will be a behavior problem and we haven't seen the worst. He's basketball's Tyson and pretty soon he's gonna bite someone's ear off. Keep away from him.

bill
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the clippers should trade chris because he dont know how to play and try to draft a center and get earl he is a free agent or try to get rose

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Welcome Bill!

I am a little confused in what you wrote. They should trade Chris(kaman)??? If that is what you mean I don't think that would be wise. He under achieved last year but he has made a big effort in the off-season. His "new" contract kicks in this season so I don't think that would happen. Clippers cannot "darft" anyone since the draft has already taken place. Who is Earl????? Did you mean "Malik" Rose???? Let me know....

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Hey Bill, did you mean Earl Barron from the HEAT????? Let me know....

david
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Hey welcome to CTB Bill! I would have to disagree with trading Chris Kaman- especially now that Brand is out. The draft is not for another year so that's kind of out in the distant future. And do you mean Earl Boykins? The Clippers just signed Brevin Knight so they probably don't need Boykins now- unless you mean another Earl like ClipperJoe suggests.

bill
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na i mean earl boykin if u cant sign him then try to sign jalen rose he is a very good player because chris only avreges about 10 point per game try to get somone else and give al more than 20 minutes

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Gotcha! I thought you meant trade Chris for another center. I just posted an article about the signing of Brevin Knight not too long ago. We are set with our point guards. If we wanted to trade Chris, we would have needed another center. Chris will rock this season...you'll see. Al Thorton will also see plenty of time on the floor since Brand will be out for some time. I might sound crazy but I think we will be alright with what we have now. I am not saying we will win our division w/o Brand but I think we can stay above water till Brand returns. The way I see it, Sac and the Lakers are not going to beat us.

bill
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why dont the clippers trade corey for gilbet arena or for a player that can get 30 points

bill
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core for gilbert arenas aint a bad deal

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Now your talking! Gilbert is from So. California but I would not hold my breathe for a trade like that. Who knows, Gilbert might want to come here once this coming season is up. He said he will opt out of his contract after this year to test the free agency market. Keep your fingers crossed.

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This trade will never happen. Gilbert is worth a lot more money and is considered a top tier player(all star). Maggette is not but has the ability to become one. It looks like Maggette will have his chance this year to put up 20 to maybe 30 pts on any given night if he plays to Dunleavy's liking. The reason his average slipped was because he was hurt for a while then Dunleavy felt he was better suited coming off the bench. All is changed so Maggette might just be the 20+ point player.

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I've thought about Gilbert. How about Brand for Arenas next June? (assuming Brand is healed) We have Thorton, Maggette, Kamen & Jordan. We need a SG to complete the lineup. I feel like Maggette is an injury risk and Mobley is a good backup. This trade would make the future bright for the Clips!

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Brand will be free next June and so will Arenas. I know it is unlikely but to sign both players would be GREAT!

I not sure about Mobley though. He is getting older and a trade might be likely after next season. The way it looks, Brand , Maggette and Cassell might not be here the following season. I am sure Cassell won't be here but Both Brand and Maggette might as long as they sign on the dotted line(if contract is offered to them). I hope we sign Brand at the very least.

But to answer your question, the Wizards would never trade Arenas for an injured player. In June it wouldn't matter cause both can opt out of their contracts. Arenas already said he would.

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For some reason I have a feeling that Arenas might end up signing with the Clippers b/c he wouldnt mind competing against Kobe for the Best Player in LA. Imagine? Hibachi Vs Black Momba whahaha! Great Story Line huh? If Arenas signs with the Clippers...man...we could go places. Even if EB & CM plays somewhere else...we still have Livingston, Thornton, Kaman, J.Jordan and Q.Ross! Man....the possibilities!

jlemmen43
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Well the starting PG position will be up in the air as much next year as the backup role is this year. The question is: is Arenas worth the money he'll be wanting. He's basically a shooting guard though...that's the thing. I'd like to have a pure shooter in the mix for when Mobley's not starting material...but I'm not sure if Arenas's contract is the kind you want. Sure he puts up a lot of points and scores in the clutch, but the Clips would have to take a long hard look at him. I'm not against getting him, I just think the Clippers must do extensive homework before entertaining thoughts of having Agent Zero.

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Arena to the Clipps? It's possible to imagine this. When he opts out next summer, the Clipps could not afford to resign all of Brand, Corey and Arena. I dig Corey (please stay foreever, but not realistic), but market forces lean towards him moving elsewhere. But signing Arenas in his place would make a ferocious line-up if Thornton is ready for his sophmore season. He's an LA guy, so he might want to come.

I don't want to assing ulterior motives to drafting Thornton (he was simply the "best available player at 14"), but it's interesting to suppose LAC had all this in mind: Thornton to replace Corey in 2008, open up $7 mil cap space and voila ... sign a major scorer!

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Interesting all this talk about Gilbert Arenas, because if he actually did come then the Clippers would finally meet one of the criteria for championship teams… that being having at least two, or maybe even three All-Star quality players. (the arguable exception to that rule being the 93 -95 Houston teams, and they featured a flat out dominant center along with some very good players) Two all stars seems minimum, and even then one of them has to be either a big man, or Jordon. (Detroit of course had a starting five that were almost ALL AS quality) You look at the LAC and we’ve always had Brand, and whether he actually made the AS team or not, everyone knew he was the real deal, he just happened to play the most loaded position in the Western Conference. Then we had Corey… and geez, Corey has been close, but just not quite good or consistent enough to be accepted and KNOWN as an All Star. Sam has been an AS, but unfortunately not with the LAC, and he is on the downside of a great career. But, Arenas is a now guy. He’s an All Star. Pair him with EB, throw in Kaman and Thornton and you’ve got something special. Even better, Shaun had the rep for someday being that kind of player too. And it looked like he was just starting to live up to that potential. If he came back and actually DID… the mind boggles at the possibilities! A lineup of CK, EB, Thornton, Agent Zero and Shaun, all playing to their healthy potential would do some real damage. How does that sound? ‘Course the catch is that a lot of money would have to be spent. But that’s always the way isn’t it? You don’t get stars cheap. Would the Clipper’s management be willing to spend that kind of money to field that kind of team? Hey, it's fun to imagine anyway.

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Great view dwb! I love Maggette but for the chance to get Arenas , I would step back from arguing the pros and cons. That is of course if EB signs with the Clippers. But if Maggette steps up this year I would have to look at the numbers $ and the talent available before spending that kind of money. Arenas is a player that needs the touches and the attention. This might change the dynamic of the team. This could also cause friction between the players as well. I really couldn't make a judgment ...I'm totally torn on this one.

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With all due respect, guys, there is no way in hell that Sacramento would trade Artest for Mobley or that Washington would trade Arenas for Corey.

You're thinking with your hearts, not your heads. Put yourself in the shoes of the GM's of Washington or Sacramento. They'd get run out of town for making trades like that.

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Welcome Prouddad. I agree with your assessment. I made the exact same points. I also stated that Arenas would opt out of his contract at the end of this year so there might be a chance we could attract him. He is from So Cal (the valley), so maybe his hometown might also make a difference when he looks for a new home. You never know.

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If Maggette leaves and Cassell leaves, that may well leave enough $ to sign Arenas. But he would cost the $ amount of 2 really good players, so that's something to consider.

ether
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I agree with David ... we're not talking about trading (prouddad is right, Washington would be silly to make that trade), rather acquiring through FA.

Remember when LAC just lost out to Wash in signing him a few years ago? What a line-up we'd have by now if he accepted. LAC would not have signed Cat probably and would have struggled to give Kaman $50mil, but we would have had EB, Corey, Kaman,and Agent 0 for the last couple of years. Wow!

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Washington TRADING Arenas for Corey? Heavens no! Not in anyone’s wildest dreams. But, a year down the road if Corey leaves for perceived greener pastures (or a more sanguine coaching situation) and if Sam decides to pursue other interests (what IS his contract status anyway?) then with that money freed up and management sweetening the pot a bit more, Arenas could perhaps be persuaded to return to his home town. Hey, you never know, stranger things have happened. One thing is certain, Gilbert has demonstrated a flair for the dramatic. He might enjoy the opportunity to vie with Kobe for the title of top dog in LA.

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Sam is on his last year of his contract. He will be gone. To make things a little easier, here is a list of players who will become free agents next year;

Elton Brand

Cory Maggette

Sam Cassell

Quinten Ross

Aaron Williams

  • This is a big list of good players that might not be here after this season...oh me , oh my!
david
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Yep that's 4 core players right there. But if things go along current "I will spend the money it takes" trend by Donald Sterling that's been established for a few years now, things should work out. I mean Dunleavy is signed to a long term deal and they just spent a ton of money in that new training facility in Marina Del Rey. So I wouldn't be a bit surprised if we see Brand, Maggette, and Ross back in 2008-2009. Maggette might be the biggest question mark of the bunch. And I guess you never know with Sam- he could be back too if his body can hold up.

bill
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to bad het clippers cant trade for eddie griffin cuse he got killed

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