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Ok, this is not from the horses mouth, but from someone within the organization. These are purported to be the general feelings that upper management have regarding the Clippers roster at the moment:

Trades - there are no serious trades in the works at the moment.

Signings - there are no serious offers out there to sign anybody.

Roster - they are pretty happy with where they are at the moment, they are probably done.

Point Guard - they are very happy to have Sebastian Telfair. Sessions was a long term investment they did not want to make. Why?

Sofo - My source hasn't heard anything new about Sofo. So if he is on their radar, nobody is talking. His contract situation probably means that Even if he proves himself and stays in shape for another year, his contract probably keeps him from being available for awhile without a buyout. And why spend money on him until after next summers free agency season is over.

Lebron James - they feel that they will be able to make a larger offer than any other NBA team to Lebron and have been told (by whom I asked?) that they have a "Punchers" chance of bringing him to the Clippers. Really?

I don't believe it myself. I kind of had the feeling that they really don't expect to get Lebron either, but they have a chance. If not, I guess, they will have a ton of money to sign the best player available, and there is a bumper crop of free agents on the market next summer. Or they could bring back some of the players who have expiring contracts like Camby, Butler, Smith, and Novak. Skinner and R Davis would probably be expendable at that point.

They currently only have 36 Mil committed past this year. The core group of B Davis, Kaman, Griffen, and Jordan are done deals. They have team options on Gordon and Thorton. That's 36 Mil.

Telfair has a player option of 2.7 Mil. And they could make a qualifying offer to Collins, but he probably gone. So if Telfair takes his option we are still at about 39 Mil committed to only 7 players.

It is impossible to know where the cap is going to be next year. But what ever it is, we probably blow the whole thing. And we still have our MLE and could also sign a pretty good FA for about 6 Mil.

I know this is very forward thinking, and a whole lot of things could change between now and then. For example, Kaman could get traded before the deadline. That would change everything. I think we are going to have an interesting year this season. And an even more interesting summer next year. Your thoughts?

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Point Guard - they are very happy to have Sebastian Telfair. Sessions was a long term investment they did not want to make. Why?

we've got baron on till 2013, decent backup in telfair/collins, 2010 cap space that can potentially change the image of this franchise FOREVER.

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I know this is very forward thinking, and a whole lot of things could change between now and then. For example, Kaman could get traded before the deadline. That would change everything. I think we are going to have an interesting year this season. And an even more interesting summer next year. Your thoughts?

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god forbid kaman gets traded (unless DJ TRULY breaks out this season...then ill be first on board the trade kaman express)

good all-around analysis.

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if the salary cap is set to 54 million in 2010, then we have 15 mil to spend in 2010. that is not enough 4 lebron. how could we make the largest offer? name the building after him maybe? name the team after him possibly?

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I'm just stoked that we have a "Punchers" chance @ King.

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I think this is appropriate. lol ht_tp://ww_w.youtube._com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA

Even there is only a slight chance at LeBron, you have to take it. We're not the ideal franchise by any means (opposite actually), but we would give him a lot of benefits outside of Cleveland. New York has the market, but not the players. New Jersey has the young talent (Harris, Lopez & Lee), but how will the Brooklyn move play out? Cleveland obviously offers him the most money, the comfort of closeness to home/family/friends as well as a team tailored around his skills that is a contender. We have a big market, good weather, a talented young core, a potentially good rival with the co-tenants, and the the potential honor of saying that he did the impossible of bringing a championship to LA's other team.

I'm not going to hold my breath for him, but it's not a bad thing to put ourselves in a position to make him an offer.

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe that Sofo's contract ends next year, meaning that he should be available to at least join our summer league team next summer.

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The unknown salary cap number is the reason I didn't put much faith our landing Lebron in my analysis at the beginning of this thread. Unless they move another big contract, like Kaman's, which was also included in my speculation of coming events. But the economy is expected to improve next year, and with so many FA's out there, pressure will be on the NBA execs to actually raise the salary cap next summer, maybe all the way up to 60Mil. That gives us 21 Mil to spend, even if we do not move any contracts this year. Would Sterling go over the cap to sign Lebron and round out his roster???????

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I would forget about LBJ. Whether we have a chance or not, we would not only break the bank with Lebron but, we would alter the chance of keeping the young guys that we consider our core. We would have to alter the team AGAIN once the money problems hits the fan. There is NO WAY we would be able to keep the guys we have now and bring in a player like Lebron without having to give up some of our talent. There is no way DTS will spend like the Cavs. No way!

With the current cap situation & the economy, there is no chance the cap will stay put for next season.

I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it!

I don't want to trade away any of our core for Lebron. It might not happen all of a sudden but when the contracts come up ( ie. EJ, AT), they will be cuffed at giving a great contract or match an offer.

They say you need two all-star type players to break on through...Well, we have BG & EJ to carry that load. Why are we talking about Lebron when we haven't seen BJ & EJ play a regular season yet?

There is no way you can keep LBJ, EJ , and BJ without haviong some egos flare.

Don't want it, don't need it, don't do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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well this all seems very feasible... and then i remember we are the Clippers, and DTS is our owner... can it really happen?

I actually do believe it can and Lebron will become one of the greatest ever and trounce Kobe if he can bring the banner to LA...

Maybe us getting Griffin was part of a NBA hidden agenda to bring Lebron to LA and create a Lebron Kobe nemesis

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salary cap computation doesn't work like that - you don't just take total salary and subtract from the cap - there are roster holds, cap holds, etc that get in the way - the important one is that for every open roster spot 12 and under - it's about $500k in hold - so if it's 7 players that's 5 holds = $2.5 mil (rough estimate).

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Yes, he would and should. If you've got a chance to get an all-world player like LBJ, you do everything in your power to get it done, ask questions later. Going over the cap is no biggie considering all the ways he will benefit. It's major dollar signs in his eyes.

It's simple, you build the team around LeBron. It baffles me why some people wouldn't want him. Similar to when Kobe "almost" chose the Clips in '04...I was one who wanted him, I mean why would you NOT want the best player in the game on your team? Makes no sense to me.

Of course, chances are still slim LBJ would even consider us, but it's nice to think about. Smile

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Then you are a fool who doesn't want to see this team actually win and have a shot at a championship, but instead thrives endlessly on potential and hopes.

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I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it!

I don't want to trade away any of our core for Lebron. It might not happen all of a sudden but when the contracts come up ( ie. EJ, AT), they will be cuffed at giving a great contract or match an offer.

Then you are a fool who doesn't want to see this team actually win and have a shot at a championship, but instead thrives endlessly on potential and hopes.

No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Tell me how many Championships LBJ has won? Tell me how much over the cap the Cavs are/have been and still haven't won a championship?

They have LBJ and about 13 million over the cap this year alone. If LBJ and 13 million above the cap can't win you a Championship, then tell me what else LBJ needs to win? Can you?

LBJ is a great player no doubt, but the way some have praised him, is just a bit much. And no, I want to see the team win....notice I said team! You on the opther hand, seem to think one player can change the world.

It doesn't work that way!

This team is set in every way.

We have 3 first rounders that are the core of this team. They have low salaries that will need to be addressed consecutively...starting next year. With Lebron on this team, one or maybe 2 players will get taken away with lebron on this team.

And if I am a fool for believing that a great team starts from scratch, then excuse me for trying to be logical here. And if i am a fool for thinking that, what do you call a person pretending we have a chance to get Lebron next year? What do you call a person who thinks a single player will change the dynamics of a withering franchise?

Most LBJ caliber players reach that icon status by staying with their teams throughout their careers . Rarely do players achieve the same with other teams.

See:

Magic Johnson

Micheal Jordan

Larry Bird

John Stockton

etc.

Anyway, the point is moot.

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markcronan wrote:
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I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it!

I don't want to trade away any of our core for Lebron. It might not happen all of a sudden but when the contracts come up ( ie. EJ, AT), they will be cuffed at giving a great contract or match an offer.

Then you are a fool who doesn't want to see this team actually win and have a shot at a championship, but instead thrives endlessly on potential and hopes.

When it comes down to it, it's all about WINNING. and LBJ gives us the best chance to win. We'd have an EJ/BG/LBJ trio for at least 2 years. AT is expendable. BG will be teammates with LBJ for 3 years. That'll be 3 consecutive years of success we have NEVER ever experienced. I, for one, want to experience it.

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Not to mention that if LeBron would join the Clippers, this would be the most talented team he's ever been on. It really is amazing that LeBron even though he's never won a championship has literally transformed the Cavaliers franchise to championship contenders every year with the lack of talent on that team. The Cavaliers before LeBron were considered a joke and now all of a sudden that has changed.

The Cavaliers don't come close to our talent level, but LeBron always seems to find a way to click and make his team go deep in the playoffs. If LeBron joins us, along with Blake, Baron, EG, and DeAndre, or maybe even Kaman (if the Clippers don't trade him), that is as good as any in the league. You would have to think we'd be the favorites with the Lakers every year to win the championship.

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Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

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To start off I know it is possible that no one may agree with my feeling on this but here goes nothing.

Despite Lebron bringing some incredible things to the clips I would rather see us go another direction (especially if this team can make the playoffs this year)

Lebron=packed stadium, an incredible rivalry between the two LA squads, a new era, possibly a championship [maybe more than 1], and the end of my Clippers being the butt of every NBA joke.

HOWEVER

Bringing Lebron to the Clips also means skyrocketed prices, bandwagon Clipper fans (former oxymoron), most likely changing our awesome unis, and the possibility to go down in history as the team that turned the king into a bust.

If our team gels and is really balling why bring in something that could possibly kill one of our few good runs. We may be too stacked with James on the team... Too many big egos could collide if this season goes as planned and than Lebron comes in to town

That's just how I personally feel. You are welcome to disagree

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I think Lebron would be a great addition to the Clippers as long as we can hang on to Gordon and Griffin for the duration of Lebron's new contract. I also agree with LetsGoClipShow1 that ticket prices would be raised a ton and about the. bandwagoners. I highly doubt Lebron will turn into a bust with any team he signs with.

That being said I could just as easily imagine the cap falling to a point all the star free agents are essentially forced to stay with their current teams. Even if that happens, with our current roster we are heading in the right direction. I would be laughing uncontrollably at the Knicks though if they cant sign any big name players.

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^^^What's there to laugh about? What exactly did the Knicks sacrifice by dumping Jamal Crawford, Zach Randolph, Quentin Richardson and Jerome James for expiring contracts? The chance to maybe fight for an eighth seed in the East? Was Marbury the future in NY?

Something had to give. The Layden/Thomas days of trading for overpriced "talent" left them in salary-cap hell with nothing to show for it except a playoff drought [edit: one playoff appearance/sweep] and lots of bad publicity.

Maybe the Knicks don't get a Lebron James or Chris Bosh. They do get cap flexibility, fresh locker-room chemistry and a well-regarded coach. I'm no Knicks fan, but having the audacity to dream big and also the discipline to carry out such an ambitious plan with no guarantees is pretty damn admirable.

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JamFan Howthehellru? You've been quiet for a while. Guys I thought we dispensed with the childish insults a long time ago. For you newbies, this is a board that has respect for members and civility is appreciated. CJ is a respected bro' and I personally know as do all the old timers he's no fool. I'm curious about this LeBron talk. I'd have a better chance of doing Sarah Palin in an igloo. Unless this team is a solid second round team without and of the Clipper Craziness, and another Coach forget it. This is Kobetown like it or not and unless....

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markcronan wrote:
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No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

What foolish manner? Not agreeing with your opinion? pffft!

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

Well, you know what I mean about the internet thing. And if you suspect 99.9 % agree with you without any data to back it up, then your statement seems more foolish than mine.

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Interesting info. Thanks for posting.

As for LeBron, I have pretty ambivalent feelings, probably because I just don't believe its going to happen. At the end of the day, I suppose they have to make him an offer. He's too good not to at least talk to. If they can get him and keep BG and EG, it would be really interesting.

Joe is right that it is pretty rare that marquee players jump from one team to another and have championship caliber success, but it does happen. I can think of a good, recent example from right here in L.A. -- Shaq. The Lakers got three titles out of Shaq's defection from Orlando, although it took a few years. When you have a guy on your team that people want to play with, it makes it easier to build a winner quickly. I could see LeBron having the same effect here.

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JamFan Howthehellru? You've been quiet for a while. Guys I thought we dispensed with the childish insults a long time ago. For you newbies, this is a board that has respect for members and civility is appreciated. CJ is a respected bro' and I personally know as do all the old timers he's no fool. I'm curious about this LeBron talk. I'd have a better chance of doing Sarah Palin in an igloo. Unless this team is a solid second round team without and of the Clipper Craziness, and another Coach forget it. This is Kobetown like it or not and unless....

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Wow, first and foremost I can guarantee you that Lebron will not come to the clippers. Quote me now quote me forever. I am all with Clipperjoe as well on the topic of Lebron. One man does not win a championship and spending all our money on him does not make sense. Especially when your dealing with DTS who reguardless of opening his checkbook up a little more is still a cheapskate. I agree with Clipperjoe that we have some great young talent that we should focus on.

Please lets not live in lala land Kobe never came to the Clippers and Lebron wont either.

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were not getting lebron get off fantasy island

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Whether or not to go after Lebron (or other marquee free agent) isn't a conversation for now because we don't have key facts yet. Those facts are;

  1. Will Sterling go way over the cap to support a multiple star team as the Lakers have?

  2. Would the Clippers develop the revenue to make going way over the cap viable?

  3. If we're not willing to go over the cap, would it be worthwhile making a one or two-year push for a championship, knowing that when Blake Griffin, or Gordon's contract came up we'd lose them because we had so much money invested in Lebron? This is the Celtics model with Garnett and Allen.

Unless we can read the mind of DTS, we can't know what he's thinking. If you see a route to a championship, do you grab it and deal with the mess later, as the Celtics did and the Knicks foolishly tried? Or do you build something to last and make minor adjustments as Utah and San Antonio have? San Antonio was incredibly lucky to get Parker and Ginobli to add to Duncan, but they got them..

There is no right or wrong way to do it and nothing is guaranteed... All we know is if we got LBJ, we'd be a great team for a couple years, then depending on DTS's appetite for spending, we could fall way off... It might be worth it... On the other hand, if Griffin and Gordon prove to be major stars, we can lock them up and be very good for ten years.

There's much to be said for both approaches and we should know a lot more about Gordon and Griffin's prospects for stardom or superstardom after this season than we do now. Deandre is also a major factor in how we approach next off season as well.

And, by the way, I'd be stunned if LBJ doesn't stay in Cleveland.

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I agree 100%. To be honest, I would rather keep Griffin and Gordon for a long time than get LBJ, be competitive for about 2 years, and then lose both EJ and Blake because we don't have the cap space to keep them. The Clippers won't feel the same to me with Lebron on the team since we would have MAJOR bandwagon fans and a stadium with 90% of the people not giving a sh*t about the Clippers, but rather to just see Lebron play.

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I still say Joe Johnson should be our target. Either wait for him to hit FA this summer (if he doesn't sign an extension first) or perhaps swap Kaman for him, if the Hawks fear they may lose him for nothing.

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i have faith eric gordon will be better than joe johnson wished he could be.

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ekker3 wrote:
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I still say Joe Johnson should be our target. Either wait for him to hit FA this summer (if he doesn't sign an extension first) or perhaps swap Kaman for him, if the Hawks fear they may lose him for nothing.

i have faith eric gordon will be better than joe johnson wished he could be.

Joe Johnson as SF, not SG.

Alongside with Gordon and Griffin, they would make for a formidable trio.

And call me a shortsighted pessimist, but if Gordon can merely replicate Joe Johnson's production in ATL (22pts, 4.3reb, 5.6ast) during his Clipper tenure, then I'd be more than satisfied with that.

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I'd take Joe all day!!!

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clipper*joe wrote:
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I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it!

I don't want to trade away any of our core for Lebron. It might not happen all of a sudden but when the contracts come up ( ie. EJ, AT), they will be cuffed at giving a great contract or match an offer.

Then you are a fool who doesn't want to see this team actually win and have a shot at a championship, but instead thrives endlessly on potential and hopes.

No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Tell me how many Championships LBJ has won? Tell me how much over the cap the Cavs are/have been and still haven't won a championship?

They have LBJ and about 13 million over the cap this year alone. If LBJ and 13 million above the cap can't win you a Championship, then tell me what else LBJ needs to win? Can you?

LBJ is a great player no doubt, but the way some have praised him, is just a bit much. And no, I want to see the team win....notice I said team! You on the opther hand, seem to think one player can change the world.

It doesn't work that way!

This team is set in every way.

We have 3 first rounders that are the core of this team. They have low salaries that will need to be addressed consecutively...starting next year. With Lebron on this team, one or maybe 2 players will get taken away with lebron on this team.

And if I am a fool for believing that a great team starts from scratch, then excuse me for trying to be logical here. And if i am a fool for thinking that, what do you call a person pretending we have a chance to get Lebron next year? What do you call a person who thinks a single player will change the dynamics of a withering franchise?

Most LBJ caliber players reach that icon status by staying with their teams throughout their careers . Rarely do players achieve the same with other teams.

See:

Magic Johnson

Micheal Jordan

Larry Bird

John Stockton

etc.

Anyway, the point is moot.

Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Moses, Oscar on the flipside. I do get your point and prefer to see players stick with one team as it makes their legacy even greater. It's a shame the some leave or end up getting traded in the twilight of their careers (e.g. Olajuwon, Ewing, Nique, etc.)

The way I see it is that the Clippers have never ever had a player of LeBron's magnitude. This franchise has had Hall of Famers pass through (McAdoo, Walton, Dantley, Wilkins, etc.), but James will eclipse them all. If we have an opportunity to get him, then we should. At the end of this season, he's only going to be 25 years old. We have not seen the best of him yet. He's carried pitiful teams deep in the playoffs. We do have a bright young core that would only become the most dominant in the league if we add LeBron. Gordon has 3 more seasons before he is up for a contract and Blake has 4. I like Thornton and all, but if we had a chance at LeBron, then I'd easily be able to part with him. If LeBron came over via free agency, then we'd have the best talent around him since he played in the Olympics. We're looking at Blake and Eric to be strong 2nd option type stars. Let's say Blake becomes that cornerstone that we are hoping he becomes. A team with Eric Gordon as it's 3rd best player is going to be ridiculous.

Sterling would pay the bucks for that, because it makes $en$e. We're talking higher attendance, merchandise sales and endorsements, deep runs in the playoffs with championship hopes. He makes money with a sorry product. He'd stand to make much more with the best product in the NBA. People can say that LA is Laker's Town (which is true). Even moreso, LA is a "Winner's Town." So Cal has so many bandwagoners, it's not even funny. If you build it, they will come. When we went to playoffs a couple years ago with a hardworking squad with underrated players and a lack of star power, but we were selling out games.

If the cap does drop, we would need to get rid of player (i.e. Baron or Kaman) and I would be totally fine with that if we were guaranteed to get King James. No player has to be traded right now since, there are going to be a ton of teams with cap room that can absorb the difference in salary next summer. We could easily keep our young core and acquire him with no sweat.

I personally expect him to stay in Cleveland, but why not have fun with some of the potential scenarios, even if they are not likely and far-fetched.

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Kareem, Wilt, Shaq, Moses, Oscar on the flipside. I do get your point and prefer to see players stick with one team as it makes their legacy even greater. It's a shame the some leave or end up getting traded in the twilight of their careers (e.g. Olajuwon, Ewing, Nique, etc.)

The way I see it is that the Clippers have never ever had a player of LeBron's magnitude. This franchise has had Hall of Famers pass through (McAdoo, Walton, Dantley, Wilkins, etc.), but James will eclipse them all. If we have an opportunity to get him, then we should. At the end of this season, he's only going to be 25 years old. We have not seen the best of him yet. He's carried pitiful teams deep in the playoffs. We do have a bright young core that would only become the most dominant in the league if we add LeBron. Gordon has 3 more seasons before he is up for a contract and Blake has 4. I like Thornton and all, but if we had a chance at LeBron, then I'd easily be able to part with him. If LeBron came over via free agency, then we'd have the best talent around him since he played in the Olympics. We're looking at Blake and Eric to be strong 2nd option type stars. Let's say Blake becomes that cornerstone that we are hoping he becomes. A team with Eric Gordon as it's 3rd best player is going to be ridiculous.

Sterling would pay the bucks for that, because it makes $en$e. We're talking higher attendance, merchandise sales and endorsements, deep runs in the playoffs with championship hopes. He makes money with a sorry product. He'd stand to make much more with the best product in the NBA. People can say that LA is Laker's Town (which is true). Even moreso, LA is a "Winner's Town." So Cal has so many bandwagoners, it's not even funny. If you build it, they will come. When we went to playoffs a couple years ago with a hardworking squad with underrated players and a lack of star power, but we were selling out games.

If the cap does drop, we would need to get rid of player (i.e. Baron or Kaman) and I would be totally fine with that if we were guaranteed to get King James. No player has to be traded right now since, there are going to be a ton of teams with cap room that can absorb the difference in salary next summer. We could easily keep our young core and acquire him with no sweat.

I personally expect him to stay in Cleveland, but why not have fun with some of the potential scenarios, even if they are not likely and far-fetched.

If we keep both Gordon and Griffin, then I don't see how you can pass on Lebron. We can trade Kaman and have DJ start at center to be that guy who gets all the scrappy points (lobs, putbacks, etc) and can be a great defensive presence with his shot blocking ability. We would have:

PG-Baron

SG-EJ

SF-Lebron

PF-Griffin

C-DJ

We would have 4 all star talents with one of them being superstar status in Lebron!

Think of the damage we could do with this lineup for years to come.

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There are only 3 players in the NBA I would sell the farm to bring to our roster. These are players you bring no matter what. Why? Because a championship is at your door step. Why? Because ticket sales go through the roof. Your team becomes relevant. Right now, even with getting Blake Griffin, the Clippers are still having a hard time selling tickets. Trust me, if your roster is not selling tickets, as far as the owner is concerned, your current situation is a bust. We may have a slim....

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markcronan wrote:
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No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

Slow your roll big guy.

Not wanting a player doesn't directly imply that you don't care about the welfare of the team.

If you're familiar with how basketball works, you know there's such thing as a salary cap, which is why LeBron will never see a championship ring in his life. What happens when one player takes up almost a third of your teams overall salary cap? LeBron's career in Cleveland happens.

LeBron wants a max deal and has made that public and that will eventually be his demise. Even Tim Duncan who is widely regarded as the best PF in basketball took a pay cut in order for SA to keep talented players around him for their championship runs.

It takes 7-8 players with a B- caliber to win games and subsequently championships and not one A+++ player surrounded by F's.

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NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
markcronan wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

Slow your roll big guy.

Not wanting a player doesn't directly imply that you don't care about the welfare of the team.

If you're familiar with how basketball works, you know there's such thing as a salary cap, which is why LeBron will never see a championship ring in his life. What happens when one player takes up almost a third of your teams overall salary cap? LeBron's career in Cleveland happens.

LeBron wants a max deal and has made that public and that will eventually be his demise. Even Tim Duncan who is widely regarded as the best PF in basketball took a pay cut in order for SA to keep talented players around him for their championship runs.

It takes 7-8 players with a B- caliber to win games and subsequently championships and not one A+++ player surrounded by F's.

amen, hallelujah.

and on a personal note, id rather EARN a championship, not BUY one.

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Well, I have to take exception to just about everything that NUMBER3RFIFTY just said. It makes me wonder if he and Ekker3 are watching the same NBA league that I am.

"a salary cap, which is why Lebron will never see a championship ring in his life" Huh???? Every team that has won the championship over the last couple of decades was subject to the salary cap, and they still put together rosters than won. The Lakers had two Max players even though there was a salary cap and won 3 times. Many times these teams just go over the cap, but because they signed a SuperStar, they sell out all their home games and their attendance on the road goes up significantly. The attendance pays for it.

"Lebron wants a max deal and has made that public and that will eventually be his demise" Huh???? Huh???? What????? A max deal has kept Kobe from winning 4 championships. Stopped Shaq dead in his tracks. Most of the teams that have won in recent history has had one or more max players.

"It takes 7-8 players with a B- caliber to win games and subsequently championships" Huh?????????Huh????????Whaaaaaaattttttt? Which team was that? The Lakers, San Antonio, The Celtics? Where is this B- roster that won the championship?

It must be summertime, and maybe many of us are just out of NBA focus. The truth is that championships over the last 30 years have been won by teams that had Michael Jordan, Shaquille O'Neal, Kobe Bryant, Magic Johnson, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, Hakeem Olajuwon, and Dwayne Wade. There SuperStars were surrounded by A and B+ players with strong benches.

The Clippers have the potential of having a complete starting roster of A players. But I have said this before. They still need that one player that will take over the game in the 4th quarter, the last 2 minutes, the last 5 seconds, and brings home the victory. Magic Johnson called it "Winning Time." It has been the one missing ingredient that keeps good teams from becoming a championship teams. Who is going to be that guy for us? Or are we going to have to go out in free agency next summer and bring in the guy that get the job done when it Winning Time?

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ekker3 wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
markcronan wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

Slow your roll big guy.

Not wanting a player doesn't directly imply that you don't care about the welfare of the team.

If you're familiar with how basketball works, you know there's such thing as a salary cap, which is why LeBron will never see a championship ring in his life. What happens when one player takes up almost a third of your teams overall salary cap? LeBron's career in Cleveland happens.

LeBron wants a max deal and has made that public and that will eventually be his demise. Even Tim Duncan who is widely regarded as the best PF in basketball took a pay cut in order for SA to keep talented players around him for their championship runs.

It takes 7-8 players with a B- caliber to win games and subsequently championships and not one A+++ player surrounded by F's.

amen, hallelujah.

and on a personal note, id rather EARN a championship, not BUY one.

And that is the reason why we are at the bottom of the NBA. We never go out and spend on free agents and we just make do with what we have on the roster or what we drafted. And what exactly is BUYING a championship? So if we sign a big time free agent and we win a championship, is it considered buying one? We signed Baron last year. If we had won a championship last year with Baron as our leader, is it considered buying a championship? because if it is, I have no problem with it. And you should have no problem with it either. A championship is a championship.

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Duncan is getting paid $22M this year. Even though it drops next season, he's still at $18M and near a 1/3rd of the cap. The problem is not paying big bucks to talent that deserve it (Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Garnett, Pierce, and Allen all got paid and won championships. Garnett was paid a lot in Minnesota and didn't win, but if their trade history as well as the infamous Joe Smith fiasco need to be taken into account also.

The problem is when GM's overpay players that do not deserve the money. The Spurs have had their key players signed to great deals that were fair. They were able to pick up role players for adequate prices, because they put out a championship product. Paying Parker or Ginobli $10-12M/year is fine, whereas paying that much for Dalembert, Maggette, Simmons, E. Curry or Hughes is a totally different story.

If we were to get LeBron, we'd still have Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, probably Baron, Telfair & possibly Thornton. Are they a bunch of F's? They are the same players that everybody wants to build around. If we can keep the players we want to build around and add the best player in the game, why the heck wouldn't we want to do that? People are acting as if we have to give up Gordon and Griffin to get James. If we were trading for him, then yes they would have to go. Any team that wanted to trade for LeBron would have to give up a lot. We're talking about signing him with cap room though. That's getting him with giving up maybe Chris Kaman (for cap room).

7-8 quality guys is nice and all, but that's usually not the case. It is usually a top 15 and a couple top 25-50 players with solid veterans/role players and defense. Detroit was an exception to that rule with having B-level talent (and no A-level), but they had premier defense. Our guys haven't played defense in 3 years.

I really don't see what the issue is. It's like Clipper fans are so used to losing that they are afraid to win. Sterling has paid players for 7 years or so now, he's shelled out $50M for a new state of the art training facility. If you bring in a top player, you're likely to win more and make more money. You'll get more exposure as well. There would be no conflict with keeping the guys that deserved to be kept.

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^^^^ I agree

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clipperloyal11 wrote:
ekker3 wrote:
NUMB3RFIFTY wrote:
markcronan wrote:
clipper*joe wrote:
No, I am no fool and I would suggest you stop with those childish antics. I am not someone you can just say stuff like that to. Just because you are behind a fake screen name and monitor, it doesn't give you the right to call people names.

Joe, I post under my full real name. I am not anonymous, and calling you a fool for saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! " is an accurate and mild statement. It's not like I am challenging your intelligence or insulting your mother.

You, and anyone who agrees with that opinion, are behaving in a foolish manner if you don't trade for Lebron James simply because it means giving up some of our current players. Period.

And I'd happily say it to your face. And I suspect 99.9% of basketball fans would agree with me on this one, and would also say it to your face. In fact, why don't you try relating your opinion to your fellow Clippers fans in real life and see if they don't also call you a fool, or worse. Ask a friend what they think of you saying "I like LBJ but if it means trading [Clippers] players to make the salaries fit, I want none of it! "

Slow your roll big guy.

Not wanting a player doesn't directly imply that you don't care about the welfare of the team.

If you're familiar with how basketball works, you know there's such thing as a salary cap, which is why LeBron will never see a championship ring in his life. What happens when one player takes up almost a third of your teams overall salary cap? LeBron's career in Cleveland happens.

LeBron wants a max deal and has made that public and that will eventually be his demise. Even Tim Duncan who is widely regarded as the best PF in basketball took a pay cut in order for SA to keep talented players around him for their championship runs.

It takes 7-8 players with a B- caliber to win games and subsequently championships and not one A+++ player surrounded by F's.

amen, hallelujah.

and on a personal note, id rather EARN a championship, not BUY one.

And that is the reason why we are at the bottom of the NBA. We never go out and spend on free agents and we just make do with what we have on the roster or what we drafted. And what exactly is BUYING a championship? So if we sign a big time free agent and we win a championship, is it considered buying one? We signed Baron last year. If we had won a championship last year with Baron as our leader, is it considered buying a championship? because if it is, I have no problem with it. And you should have no problem with it either. A championship is a championship.

by BUYING a championship im referring to selling-out the team concept and splurging on a high profile player. as a fan, i dread the thought of signing lebron james and having every game be 1v5. i dread the idea that lebron will be bigger than the franchise itself. of course players need to be bought (its a bizzness) but by investing in the right role players (stars or not), that's a huge difference from throwing your whole capspace on one player and crossing your fingers we win something. (keep in mind that gordon, griffin, thorton, etc. will be demanding higher $$$ once their rookie contracts are up, and with lebron potentially in the mix that cap space wont be there and players will have to leave)

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how are we gonna pay for gordon, griffin, jordan, thornton, baron, telfair, etc after their rookie contracts end? i can tell you one thing, they're gonna demand more than a rookie salary and during those negotiations, i guarantee you the FO makes those decisions based on lebron's ridiculous salary. so no we CANT build around griffn, gordon, jordan, and thornton if we pickup lebron. lebron essentially destroys the youth movement and makes us revolve around him.

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I'd rather have a chance at retiring a few clipper jerseys (gordon, griffin), and a possible championship in the future, than bringing in lebron and being a championship contender for the next few years.

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^^ Very well said, Ekker!

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ekker3 wrote:
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If we were to get LeBron, we'd still have Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, probably Baron, Telfair & possibly Thornton. Are they a bunch of F's? They are the same players that everybody wants to build around. If we can keep the players we want to build around and add the best player in the game, why the heck wouldn't we want to do that? People are acting as if we have to give up Gordon and Griffin to get James.

how are we gonna pay for gordon, griffin, jordan, thornton, baron, telfair, etc after their rookie contracts end? i can tell you one thing, they're gonna demand more than a rookie salary and during those negotiations, i guarantee you the FO makes those decisions based on lebron's ridiculous salary. so no we CANT build around griffn, gordon, jordan, and thornton if we pickup lebron. lebron essentially destroys the youth movement and makes us revolve around him.

does it matter? none of those players you mentioned have the potential to be the next lebron. heck you werent even sold as griffin as the 1st pick. why is thorton included in that list? he's just a chucker/ 1 dimensional player. if he wants to leave then go it's not like it's hard to find another chucker. jordan hasnt shown any potential of consistensy in the offensive end while gordon has yet to prove himself as a scorer without being the go 2 guy of a injury depleted team

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ekker3 wrote:
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If we were to get LeBron, we'd still have Gordon, Griffin, Jordan, probably Baron, Telfair & possibly Thornton. Are they a bunch of F's? They are the same players that everybody wants to build around. If we can keep the players we want to build around and add the best player in the game, why the heck wouldn't we want to do that? People are acting as if we have to give up Gordon and Griffin to get James.

how are we gonna pay for gordon, griffin, jordan, thornton, baron, telfair, etc after their rookie contracts end? i can tell you one thing, they're gonna demand more than a rookie salary and during those negotiations, i guarantee you the FO makes those decisions based on lebron's ridiculous salary. so no we CANT build around griffn, gordon, jordan, and thornton if we pickup lebron. lebron essentially destroys the youth movement and makes us revolve around him.

Whether or not the Clippers land Lebron (or Joe Johnson, or any Marquee Free Agent worth spending on), they still have Gordon for one more year of his rookie contract and Griffin for two. The only person who would have to be decided on immediatley would be Al Thornton, who will be a RFA.

Thornton or Lebron? Not a hard choice.

Hypothetically, let's say the Clippers get Lebron James. The team could still afford to keep players like Griffin and Gordon because they drafted them and hold their bird rights. No team can offer them more than the Clippers.

Now, Ekker, if your saying that Sterling won't pay Lebron the max while also giving Gordon and Griffin fair contracts (likely near or at max), then I give you props for getting into Donlad Sterling's mind, something no other human being has been able to do thus far, except for maybe Dunleavy himself.

And assuming that you turn out to be right, Sterling wouldn't spend on players worth keeping, even to build around someone of Lebron James' caliber, then we should probably all find a new team to root for...

Persoanlly, I'd rather believe Sterling would spend in such a scenario. He's already spent over the cap to keep the likes of Tim Thomas around. Considering the massive revenue he'd incur, I'm guessing he'd do so for Lebron.

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