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    Post subject: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 03:28 PM PST
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    I know a lot of people here don't like Bill Simmons because of the smack he talks about the Clips. I personally like reading his stuff, and don't take anything he says too personally, because that's just his style. At any rate, he wrote some good stuff about the Clips and actually predicted them to get the 6th seed in the West. Take a look:
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    It's time for the Miller Lite Call of The Week, where I either praise a call I loved or defend a call thought to be previously indefensible.

    This week, I'm doing the unthinkable: praising my nemesis Mike Dunleavy. For the past two years, the squinty, shifty, Tony Soprano-lookalike actually has been a pretty good GM. He nailed the '08 draft: future All-Star Eric Gordon in Round 1, sleeper center DeAndre Jordan in Round 2. He coached the 2009 team so horrendously that it ended up with Blake Griffin (backhanded compliment, but still). He made a sneaky trade for Rasual Butler, a superb shooter who stretches defenses and fits in nicely with the Baron/Griffin/Gordon/Kaman nucleus. He somehow convinced Memphis to trade him Quentin Richardson's expiring contract for Zach Randolph, a salary albatross who would have blocked Griffin's minutes, then turned Q into two capable bench players (Bassy Telfair and Craig Smith).

    By the way? I love Craig Smith. He's my favorite undersized power forward other than Paul Millsap. Total banger, plays hard, good guy, swings quarters coming off the bench, causes real problems for certain teams. Smith and Butler are the luxury role players GOOD teams have, which brings me to my point: The Clippers are going to be good. The parts fit. They have size, shooting and rebounding. They can play fast or slow. Their best player (Baron Davis) is motivated again. They have the Gordon/Griffin combo, only the NBA's best young inside/outside combo. They have a bench. They have cap flexibility (only $36 million committed next season). This is a playoff team. I'm telling you. And as I've written many times, Clipperland remains the most logical 2010 LeBron destination on paper. It's true.

    In a perfect world, savvy GM Dunleavy would fire inept/bumbling coach Dunleavy. Sadly, this is an imperfect world. But let's give GM Dunleavy some praise for building the smartest Clippers roster ever. Anyway, I have two predictions. First, Dunleavy will win the 2010 NBA Executive of the Year Award. Second, when that happens, I will try to skin myself with an apple peeler. That's my great call of the week.

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    Post subject: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 03:40 PM PST
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    ^^ looks to me like good ol' Bill "DIM"mons is trying to run and jump on the bandwagon before it leaves on Tuesday. lol

    Sad thing is, that wagon sped off a long time ago for him. He couldn't buy his way on to it even if he wanted to....the real Clip fans would just pull him off or kick him off....I would.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 03:48 PM PST
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    ^^ he's not jumping on any bandwagon. he doesn't say anything about being a fan. he's not. he's a celtics fan for life. as a basketball analyst, he is saying he thinks the clippers have a good team and are going to make the playoffs. why do people hate him so much? if he (or ANYONE) says anything bad about the clippers, they're "haters" or "stupid", but when it comes down to it, 90% of the time, when someone says we won't succeed, they're right. but then, when someone says "the clippers will be good", god forbid we should take it as a compliment, because they're bandwagoners. you can't have it both ways. just accept simmons' analysis, hope he's right, and thank him for giving Dunleavy and the clips some credit.

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    Post subject: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 04:11 PM PST
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    Baron
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    Post subject: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 04:15 PM PST
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    I actually like Bill Simmons writing. He has the same mindset as many clippers fans. He praises the GM dunleavy but dislikes Dunleavy the coach. many of us feel the same way. Also, I realy think his prediction of dunleavyw inning exec of the year is valid.
     
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    seanrooks wrote:
    ^^ he's not jumping on any bandwagon. he doesn't say anything about being a fan. he's not. he's a celtics fan for life. as a basketball analyst, he is saying he thinks the clippers have a good team and are going to make the playoffs. why do people hate him so much? if he (or ANYONE) says anything bad about the clippers, they're "haters" or "stupid", but when it comes down to it, 90% of the time, when someone says we won't succeed, they're right. but then, when someone says "the clippers will be good", god forbid we should take it as a compliment, because they're bandwagoners. you can't have it both ways. just accept simmons' analysis, hope he's right, and thank him for giving Dunleavy and the clips some credit.


    Well, I beg to differ. I've never liked him and not because of what he says about US, but because this guy rides his career on talking crap about teams, players, and front offices as if he is a "expert", he's not. And using dry humor that sadly fails adds to my dislike for him.

    Furthermore, I ain't thanking him for nothing...he isn't saying anything that hasn't already been said by countless others. He is just parroting what has been said.

    Anyway, to use one of his lines:

    I'd rather "skin myself with an apple peeler" before I thank him.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 05:28 PM PST
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    I actually enjoy the good press and the bandwagonners we are getting. Who cares if if he is just parroting what others have already said. I welcome the change. I can not forget the excitement of our playoff run in 2006, and the energy which was brought by the bandwagonners. There are not many true clipper fans and it shows in the attendance. I welcome the change and am looking forward to a fun season with good attendance at the games. GM Dunleavy will deserve his props if what everyone believes becomes reality, Clips in playoffs. Who knows, that may just bring us Lebron. Simmons is entitled to his opinion as are we, even if it has already been said.
     
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    Post subject: Re: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 05:29 PM PST
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    clipper*joe wrote:
    seanrooks wrote:
    ^^ he's not jumping on any bandwagon. he doesn't say anything about being a fan. he's not. he's a celtics fan for life. as a basketball analyst, he is saying he thinks the clippers have a good team and are going to make the playoffs. why do people hate him so much? if he (or ANYONE) says anything bad about the clippers, they're "haters" or "stupid", but when it comes down to it, 90% of the time, when someone says we won't succeed, they're right. but then, when someone says "the clippers will be good", god forbid we should take it as a compliment, because they're bandwagoners. you can't have it both ways. just accept simmons' analysis, hope he's right, and thank him for giving Dunleavy and the clips some credit.


    Well, I beg to differ. I've never liked him and not because of what he says about US, but because this guy rides his career on talking crap about teams, players, and front offices as if he is a "expert", he's not. And using dry humor that sadly fails adds to my dislike for him.

    Furthermore, I ain't thanking him for nothing...he isn't saying anything that hasn't already been said by countless others. He is just parroting what has been said.

    Anyway, to use one of his lines:

    I'd rather "skin myself with an apple peeler" before I thank him.


    Sums up my feelings about him. My dislike of Simmons has nothing to do with his frequent bad mouthing of the Clippers. In addition to what CJ said, he also has a clear East Coast (mostly Celtics) bias that I find annoying.

    Nevertheless, I do like his analysis for this upcoming Clipper season and beyond (except for the LeBron part -- he's way off on that).


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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 05:31 PM PST
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    good article, thanks for posting it. Bill Simmons is one of those love hate guys, sometimes his articles kill me and then others are great.

    BTW he actually did claim to be somewhat of a Clippers fan as a STH.
     
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    Post subject: RE: Re: RE: Bill Simmons Preview  PostPosted: Oct 23, 2009 - 06:37 PM PST
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    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.
     
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    Simmons is kinda like Steve Hartman. Hartman is a Laker fan, but the way he calls them out makes it seems like he hates them and he gets on a lot of Laker fans' nerves. I'm not sure how much of a Clipper fan Simmons is, but I know he goes to 25-30 games a year for the past few seasons. And I think he genuinely wants them to do well. But alas, he is a media member for the four letter network...and that means, talkin smack has always been in his repertoire. He's written articles that have pissed me off. But he's given props to the Clips at times, and those I welcome.
     
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    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.


    Its not that I don't think there actually is plenty of logic in LeBron coming to LA. I think it would be a great move for him. I definitely think the current Clipper team is an upgrade, talent-wise, from the current Cavs team. I just have a gut feeling that it will never happen. In fact, I'm pretty convinced that, at the end of the day, LeBron ends up staying in Cleveland.
     
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    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.


    I'm not speaking for the 90% but I am one of those guys. Bringing in LBJ means that we cannot keep the core. If Gordon & Griffin live up to the hype, there is no way in hell we can keep the team intact. Maybe for 2 years but once the new contracts start coming up, you can forget it.

    Plus, with Lebron looking to get the biggest payday of his life, I am certain you will have to break up the team to balance out what we will lose cap space for subpar players in return.

    I'd rather have what we have now ( 5 good starters & a deep bench) for years to come then break the bank for him. Sorry, LBJ is probably the best player on earth but I rather build a balance team to contend for years than have the best player who will eventually start crying about not having talent around him.

    Look at the Cavs, they broke the bank for him due to his "mixed messages" about staying. What did that get them? NO TITLE, NO COMMITMENT, and WAY OVER THE CAP....NO THANKS!
     
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    clipperAndrew wrote:
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    kaman would need to be switched to Jordan because kaman would need to be dealt to have enough cap for lebron.

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    clipper*joe wrote:
    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.


    I'm not speaking for the 90% but I am one of those guys. Bringing in LBJ means that we cannot keep the core. If Gordon & Griffin live up to the hype, there is no way in hell we can keep the team intact. Maybe for 2 years but once the new contracts start coming up, you can forget it.

    Plus, with Lebron looking to get the biggest payday of his life, I am certain you will have to break up the team to balance out what we will lose cap space for subpar players in return.

    I'd rather have what we have now ( 5 good starters & a deep bench) for years to come then break the bank for him. Sorry, LBJ is probably the best player on earth but I rather build a balance team to contend for years than have the best player who will eventually start crying about not having talent around him.

    Look at the Cavs, they broke the bank for him due to his "mixed messages" about staying. What did that get them? NO TITLE, NO COMMITMENT, and WAY OVER THE CAP....NO THANKS!


    I agree one most of this Joe. Lebron would break our bank for as long as he stays. I also agree he would take a lot from Blake and Gordon. I also agree it's not likely to work. It is the best chance at a championship though, despite the long term consequences.
     
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    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    clipper*joe wrote:
    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.


    I'm not speaking for the 90% but I am one of those guys. Bringing in LBJ means that we cannot keep the core. If Gordon & Griffin live up to the hype, there is no way in hell we can keep the team intact. Maybe for 2 years but once the new contracts start coming up, you can forget it.

    Plus, with Lebron looking to get the biggest payday of his life, I am certain you will have to break up the team to balance out what we will lose cap space for subpar players in return.

    I'd rather have what we have now ( 5 good starters & a deep bench) for years to come then break the bank for him. Sorry, LBJ is probably the best player on earth but I rather build a balance team to contend for years than have the best player who will eventually start crying about not having talent around him.

    Look at the Cavs, they broke the bank for him due to his "mixed messages" about staying. What did that get them? NO TITLE, NO COMMITMENT, and WAY OVER THE CAP....NO THANKS!


    I agree one most of this Joe. Lebron would break our bank for as long as he stays. I also agree he would take a lot from Blake and Gordon. I also agree it's not likely to work. It is the best chance at a championship though, despite the long term consequences.


    If we were the Cavs, Lakers, or NY, I would say go for it, we would dominate for years. But since we always seem to get kicked back into reality by the ownership more often than not, I say we have to do it the poor man's way...through the draft and hope we keep the players. Sad but true.


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    Getting LeBron would be massive. However, let
    s get real: he's not going to leave his Cavs.
    Just like Kobe's never left the Lakers, despite all the speculation.

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    Yeah, all the greats never left their teams or if they did, they were on their main team for multiple years

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    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    clipper*joe wrote:
    Clippersfan86 wrote:
    What's funny is 90 percent of this site claims no way in hell Lebron would join us... but why wouldn't he join a top 3 young talented, run and gun team, that has a point guard MUCH better than Mo Williams to feed him the rock. Also Al would be our easiest starting player to replace. Kaman is top 5 center, Baron is top 5 PG, Eric and Blake are future stars... so that leaves Thornton out. Thornton's a good player but imagine bringing in Lebron and putting him in a 6th man role? We would probably break every team stat record ever created. I predict 130 ppg season average! Along with scrappy league leading defense.


    I'm not speaking for the 90% but I am one of those guys. Bringing in LBJ means that we cannot keep the core. If Gordon & Griffin live up to the hype, there is no way in hell we can keep the team intact. Maybe for 2 years but once the new contracts start coming up, you can forget it.

    Plus, with Lebron looking to get the biggest payday of his life, I am certain you will have to break up the team to balance out what we will lose cap space for subpar players in return.

    I'd rather have what we have now ( 5 good starters & a deep bench) for years to come then break the bank for him. Sorry, LBJ is probably the best player on earth but I rather build a balance team to contend for years than have the best player who will eventually start crying about not having talent around him.

    Look at the Cavs, they broke the bank for him due to his "mixed messages" about staying. What did that get them? NO TITLE, NO COMMITMENT, and WAY OVER THE CAP....NO THANKS!


    I agree one most of this Joe. Lebron would break our bank for as long as he stays. I also agree he would take a lot from Blake and Gordon. I also agree it's not likely to work. It is the best chance at a championship though, despite the long term consequences.



    Why the f**k is anyone worried about our payroll i don't give a rat's a$$ if we pay the luxury tax for the next 10 years. That's what it takes sometimes to win look at the yankees and Lakers. Sterling has yet to ever pay luxury tax since owning this franchise yet has had the lowest payroll 80% percent of the time. Anyways we would be paying with the house money. This team has been paid for 30 times over, everything from now is all profit period......
     
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    ^^ True, that's one of the main reasons we never win big

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    First, I doubt Lebron will leave Cleveland. Too much history there...

    Still, sometimes players do and if he does, we'd be nuts not to grab him... We'd have a window of two amazing years before we'd have to figure something out salary wise... Imagine, Baron, Gordon, Lebron, Blake, Kaman, DJ and a few others... After two years, we'd have to figure something out about who to keep and who to let go, but you deal with that then. Saying we shouldn't go after Lebron is like saying the Celtics shouldn't have gambled their future by getting Ray Allen and KG... Basketball is always a gamble. You put together the best team you can and hope is all works out with a championship... Even if it doesn't, that team will get closer than they've ever been. It'll be damn exciting around here for awhile.
     
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    It is no secret this guy hates Dunlevy as a coach. They openly feud against one another. I have to give the guy credit for becoming non bias and praising Dunlevy as a GM. Hopefully, Baron is back on the same page as the coach so we can start to win.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    First, I doubt Lebron will leave Cleveland. Too much history there...

    Still, sometimes players do and if he does, we'd be nuts not to grab him... We'd have a window of two amazing years before we'd have to figure something out salary wise... Imagine, Baron, Gordon, Lebron, Blake, Kaman, DJ and a few others... After two years, we'd have to figure something out about who to keep and who to let go, but you deal with that then. Saying we shouldn't go after Lebron is like saying the Celtics shouldn't have gambled their future by getting Ray Allen and KG... Basketball is always a gamble. You put together the best team you can and hope is all works out with a championship... Even if it doesn't, that team will get closer than they've ever been. It'll be damn exciting around here for awhile.


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    At the very least, we'll have LBJ and BG together for 3 seasons. It's a chance you've gotta take.
     
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    illastrate wrote:
    SamMays wrote:
    First, I doubt Lebron will leave Cleveland. Too much history there...

    Still, sometimes players do and if he does, we'd be nuts not to grab him... We'd have a window of two amazing years before we'd have to figure something out salary wise... Imagine, Baron, Gordon, Lebron, Blake, Kaman, DJ and a few others... After two years, we'd have to figure something out about who to keep and who to let go, but you deal with that then. Saying we shouldn't go after Lebron is like saying the Celtics shouldn't have gambled their future by getting Ray Allen and KG... Basketball is always a gamble. You put together the best team you can and hope is all works out with a championship... Even if it doesn't, that team will get closer than they've ever been. It'll be damn exciting around here for awhile.


    +1

    At the very least, we'll have LBJ and BG together for 3 seasons. It's a chance you've gotta take.


    +2

    This is a different era in sports as compared to even the 1990s. Teams are much more often built for the short term. And, in this era, its much easier to go from bad to good or from good to bad and back to good again. For that reason, I don't think we'd be guaranteeing ourselves years of mediocrity in the long-term by signing LeBron. We would have a great run for a few years and, as long as we could keep a couple of the other core guys, would continue to be competitive for a while.

    So, just in case people think I'm giving mixed signals about my views on LeBron, I am not in the camp that doesn't think we should sign him. If he's willing to come here, we should to it. I just believe strongly its never going to happen because he's going to stay a Cavalier.
     
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    Look at the Spurs though - they've been a dominant force for so long now because they don't make many changes. I'd prefer us to be playoff team for a decade than win a championship one season then burn back down to the Clipper curse.

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    seanrooks wrote:
    ^^ he's not jumping on any bandwagon. he doesn't say anything about being a fan. he's not. he's a celtics fan for life. as a basketball analyst, he is saying he thinks the clippers have a good team and are going to make the playoffs. why do people hate him so much? if he (or ANYONE) says anything bad about the clippers, they're "haters" or "stupid", but when it comes down to it, 90% of the time, when someone says we won't succeed, they're right. but then, when someone says "the clippers will be good", god forbid we should take it as a compliment, because they're bandwagoners. you can't have it both ways. just accept simmons' analysis, hope he's right, and thank him for giving Dunleavy and the clips some credit.


    Simmons appeared to have nailed it right on the head in that passage you posted. I agree with what he said, but it is really hard to like him. He has burned bridges with Clippers fans, and we all haven't forgotten him. I hope he's right though on the playoff spot and Dunleavy making executive of the year.
     
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