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    Lol to all you so called "optimists"
    The team is losing tommorow at Mavericks
    and you all are going to still act like things are "all good"
    give me a break and lets finally just get real
     
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    KoreanClipper wrote:
    Why does Al do this now?

    Seriously. If I'm coaching I tell Al if he doesn't start off the tomorrows game like he finished this one he's sitting.

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    it's about time that this team, and really this coach realizes that CHRIS KAMAN IS NOT A GO TO GUY. I'm sick of it. Every go to guy in the NBA has one thing, a mean streak. Kaman's a fing *****. It's embarassing. Terrible performance tonight and it's sad because I was pretty impressed with Baron.
     
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    OneNationUnderClip wrote:

    Fire Dunleavy. For the love of God and all that is holy, Fire, please fire, Michael Dunleavy


    you have no idea how much i agree with you.
     
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    This better not be the same as last year. I really wouldn't care about a good game, but mental mistakes in the 4th again? They're giving the games away..

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    Two things: (1) Milsap absolutely kills us every game and (2) Just once, I'd like Dunleavy to leave the starters in at the beginning of the 4th quarter. We have to be the best 3 quarter team in the league, but the worst in the last.


    He can't leave them in to start the 4th because they are dead legged. Look at how badly we end quarters espcially the third the starters log so much time that they at least need 6 mintues of rest before they come in the 4th. The same team that rises in the 3rd is the same unit that falls in the 4th. The bench doesn't get enough time to develop the rotation is horrible and why and the hell did we sigh Novak,Skinner and Rush and never use them.
     
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    Ralph: "Maybe, Coach Dunleavey is thinking about tomorrows game against Dallas."

    Maybe Dunleavey should be thinking about his next job cause this guy is the guy I'm blaming everything on now. I don't care if you guys say its not his fault...this team is REALLY good. I can see the difference. I think Dun sometimes makes the stupidest decisions in the world. These guys are gonna stressfully killing me!!!! Seriously...their losses totally ruin my nights. Especially when we're up or keeping up with the team.

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    Does Dunleavy realize this game is played for 4 quarters? This is ridiculous. I will cheer on tomorrow, I still believe.
     
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    Yeah thats it....-grabs shotgun-....ima go give the team a little pep talk.....raise money for my bail please...

    f**k that I'm joining you!


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    Ok what the f**k is wrong? That can't be coaching can it? No way Phil Jackson prevents that team collapsing the way they did. WTF happened? 3 quarters of stellar play and an embarrassing 8 points in 8 minutes 4th quarter.

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    The game changed on those two god damn shots by Baron at the end of the 3rd. They just killed the momentum we had.
     
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    I know its only 0-3, but this is pretty ridiculous... how do we keep having so many 4th quarter breakdowns? I say since its still early in the season, why not just play the starters a little longer and play them the entire 4th or restucture the sub times so that they do.. we can't get any worse so I say they try it. Who knows....maybe we'll finally win one. I know these last 3 teams have been tough but they have been winnable games if we didn't collapse. I really just want better effort. If we lost every game with 110% effort I think I'd be much more satisfied
     
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    Shocking 4th 28-14 can't believe my eyes.

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    EI_Nino_Jesus wrote:
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    Yeah thats it....-grabs shotgun-....ima go give the team a little pep talk.....raise money for my bail please...

    f**k that I'm joining you!


    Lets do this...-puts on shades-

    *looks for shades*

    I lost mine. F**k it, going Rambo style haha.

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    Turning point was a 6 point lead late in the 3rd and Baron takes two jumper early in the clock and bricks them both... If we could trade Baron and fire Dunleavy we'd be all right.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    Turning point was a 6 point lead late in the 3rd and Baron takes two jumper early in the clock and bricks them both... If we could trade Baron and fire Dunleavy we'd be all right.


    Those damn shots. Baron played a damn good game and then he pulls that crap. What the hell was going through his head?
     
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    He's an idiot... All the talent in the world and absolutely brainless.
     
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    ^ AGREE WITH U 100%

    **** the flippers now time to watch a real team, the lakers

    Fire Dunleavy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if u this dum dum

    **** YOU! ALL THE WAY

    Sterling..YOU 2

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    what was that clipper joke with a dollar and four quarters?
     
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    clipper321 wrote:
    Lol to all you so called "optimists"
    The team is losing tommorow at Mavericks
    and you all are going to still act like things are "all good"
    give me a break and lets finally just get real


    No, why don't you give us a break? The last thing I want hear is a pessimistic person wanting company. If you feel that way, please keep it to yourself. We know what's happening...no need to call out people for the way you are feeling.
     
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    Dunleavy's post game made me vomit in my mouth that idiot you buried your bench most the game you dumb prick Jam the starters for the thrid and then are suprised when a cold bench goes Cold!!!!!
     
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    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.
     
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    if u C dis dum dum F$!? YOU!
     
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    clipps04 wrote:
    Ok what the f**k is wrong? That can't be coaching can it? No way Phil Jackson prevents that team collapsing the way they did. WTF happened? 3 quarters of stellar play and an embarrassing 8 points in 8 minutes 4th quarter.


    Seriously. It just doesn't make any sense how the team can look so good through 3 and then just look terrible in the 4th. Its just in their heads at this point and Dunleavy doesn't seem to be able to fix it.
     
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    Clipper Joe...im not in any way trying to bring anyone down..but its time for the fans to start taking action especially at the games they attend. We need to verbally voice our content no matter how ineffective it is.
    I got my paper bags...anyone else need one?
    Im not a pessimist wanting company im a realist
    We have arms and limbs...lets take some action
     
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    Hooch20 wrote:
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    Turning point was a 6 point lead late in the 3rd and Baron takes two jumper early in the clock and bricks them both... If we could trade Baron and fire Dunleavy we'd be all right.


    Those damn shots. Baron played a damn good game and then he pulls that crap. What the hell was going through his head?

    gets to f**king cocky when the team goes on a roll. He gets all high and mighty and absolutely kills the momentum!

    BD, you're not a shooter. Stick to driving the lane with your huge body against smaller guards. That's how you got all your points. You're not the well rounded offensive player you think you are.

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    CLIPPER$ZONE wrote:
    ^ AGREE WITH U 100%

    **** the flippers now time to watch a real team, the lakers

    Fire Dunleavy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if u this dum dum

    **** YOU! ALL THE WAY

    Sterling..YOU 2

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    what was that clipper joke with a dollar and four quarters?



    SEE YA, AND I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE YA!
     
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    Not saying Baron blew the game. His two bonehead shots killed the momentum... And Dunleavy's offense gets so predictable... They run and move the ball the whole game, then in the fourth quarter its post up and stand around again just like last year...

    And Blake is absolutely missed. He brings energy to us the way Milsap does for the Jazz.
     
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    someone please address the fact that our "go to guy" chris kaman does not have the make up or the "balls" to be that guy. not to mention an undersized PF destroyed him tonight in the 4th on both ends of the floor.
     
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    I never said I quit a clipper fan haha

    i have seen harder times
     
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    clipper321 wrote:
    Clipper Joe...im not in any way trying to bring anyone down..but its time for the fans to start taking action especially at the games they attend. We need to verbally voice our content no matter how ineffective it is.
    I got my paper bags...anyone else need one?
    Im not a pessimist wanting company im a realist
    We have arms and limbs...lets take some action


    The fans are already taking action....don't you notice the empty seats?
     
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    ClipFit wrote:
    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.


    Sorry, can't agree with you -- at all. Kaman is definitely not the reason we're losing. He's been productive. He shouldn't be put in the position of being the go to guy.
     
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    Kaman doesn't handle the double team well enough to be the go to guy in the end... Gordon isn't ready. Baron isn't the player he was... Thornton plays with his head down... Butler isn't creative enough... Camby doesn't have the offensive game... We simply don't have a go to guy. We have to win as a team and hold leads... That means we have to keep on running and dump last year's post and stand offense, which we seem to revert to when it gets close a tthe end.
     
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    ClipFit wrote:
    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.


    Not really sure how this is Kaman's fault. Sure me missed some box outs and didn't rebound the ball well tonight. He did have a few blocks. only 2 turnovers, and shot 8-12 with 21 points.

    This has to do with Dunleavy's awful plays. He still just reverts back to the standard iso play with a guy on the box. Our guys then just stand around when someone has it. Kaman started getting double teamed and our guys do a crappy job of moving and getting open.

    The Jazz on the other hand are so well coached and it came in handy come the 4th quarter. They adjusted, ran their sets, and made a ton of plays. They had layup after layup at one point.

    I was willing to give Dunleavy a chance, but it's the same old **** game after game. He may do a great job of prepping the team pre-game, but come game time his teams do execute and they don't make plays. The only time he's been successful here with us was when Sam took over and made things happen.
     
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    Ok what the f**k is wrong? That can't be coaching can it? No way Phil Jackson prevents that team collapsing the way they did. WTF happened? 3 quarters of stellar play and an embarrassing 8 points in 8 minutes 4th quarter.


    Seriously. It just doesn't make any sense how the team can look so good through 3 and then just look terrible in the 4th. Its just in their heads at this point and Dunleavy doesn't seem to be able to fix it.

    Agree, only explanation. Must be in their heads and they begin to get discouraged. I wish I could hear what Dun's saying. He needs to be barking at them whenever they begin their collapsing ways. He needs to get in their face and tell them they're failing and will be benched if they don't keep up that tough play we saw through 3.

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    ROFL! no less money for sterling! waghhh everyone give back your tickets!
     
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    ClipfanSince88 wrote:
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    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.


    Sorry, can't agree with you -- at all. Kaman is definitely not the reason we're losing. He's been productive. He shouldn't be put in the position of being the go to guy.


    This.


    And if other guys would make their shots, maybe kaman wouldn't need to be the focal point of the offense.


    And how about 28 fast break points? Was that Kaman, too?

    There is a reason why they feed him...he makes his F****** shots!
     
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    I've been a Dunleavy defender, not that I love Dunleavy... I just don't see another coach out there who would be demonstrably better... But these iso plays that he goes to in the end of games suck... Just keep running your offense. We scored 60 points in the first half, 10 in the last quarter... And it wasn't all because of the Jazz great defense... This team stiffens up and expects to lose.

    Kaman is a great third player to have, but he shouldn't be the go to guy at the end... He should be catching passes from Baron at the end and finishing... But Baron only looks good when you compare him to the Baron of last year. He's not nearly the player he was 2 years ago.
     
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    Look...this is a very true statement...but the fact that we are looking to a rookie to bring us wins shouldn't be the case. The simple fact is that this team should be winning and they are not. Even without Blake, but you know what Dunleavy promised and man I wish we had an owner who actually cared right now. He would do whats best and kick this bumbler out of the clippers organization...go bring another franchise down Dumbleavy
     
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    I wish we played better in the 4th. I was expecting a loss because Utah is tough at home but a 14 point 4th quarter is unacceptable.

    Dunleavy needs to learn which player will slow the hot player on the other team ( in this case leaving Craig in against Milsap). Kaman may have improved his offense but he needs to work on his D. Also Gordon needs to be more clutch on his free throws.
     
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    SamMays wrote:
    Kaman doesn't handle the double team well enough to be the go to guy in the end... Gordon isn't ready. Baron isn't the player he was... Thornton plays with his head down... Butler isn't creative enough... Camby doesn't have the offensive game... We simply don't have a go to guy. We have to win as a team and hold leads... That means we have to keep on running and dump last year's post and stand offense, which we seem to revert to when it gets close a tthe end.


    Good point. It seems the more we need a basket, the more stagnant and predictable the offense becomes. Just a post up of whoever Dun thinks has the most favorable match up. I swear we'd be better off just running some basic, high school motion offense.
     
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    Even before Griffin got hurt, I figured we'd lose against the Lakers and Jazz, and was hoping we'd beat the Suns because they are the kind of team we have to power through if we're supposed to be an up and coming team (man, that loss still stings). And I figured we'd lose tomorrow.

    By my prediction, we ought to be 1-3 after the Mavs game, but now 0-4 looks likely unless they pull an upset.
     
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    clipper*joe wrote:
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    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.


    Sorry, can't agree with you -- at all. Kaman is definitely not the reason we're losing. He's been productive. He shouldn't be put in the position of being the go to guy.


    This.


    And if other guys would make their shots, maybe kaman wouldn't need to be the focal point of the offense.


    And how about 28 fast break points? Was that Kaman, too?

    There is a reason why they feed him...he makes his F****** shots!

    Al and Butler are killing us. Al is a huge offensive weapon if he just knew how to use his abilities. Attack and get to the rim first before you start taking mid range jumpers. Make people respect your game. If you're constantly attacking the basket, the defender will play off you a bit to get that nice open shot. All those FT's come in the 4th. If he starts the game off that way, he wont end the game 2-10

    Bulter plays along with the offensive, which keeps things going, but can't get his shot without someone creating for him. Don't get me wrong he's a great shooter and has a high IQ but not a deadly offensive weapon.

    I'd give Butler more minutes tomorrow and see what he can do for the offense, besides going with the flow.

    He got hot against the Suns, maybe he can do that every game if givin the minutes. Put more pressure on Al to step it the f**k up.

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    Clipjoe...I notice empty seats but if things get progressively worse in my opinion we need to start showing we love this team by doing anything we can.
    This could include boycotting outside Staples or anything anyone can think of.
    I know this sounds really REALLY drastic but guys we truly and honestly deserve better.
    I hate to see us suffer night in and night out yet there is no credibility in the FO to make changes as they need to be made.
    We should be the hand forcing the issue as fans
     
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    On a side note, Zack Randolph ( 30-7) just won a game for the Grizzlies...the beat the Raptors. D'oh!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    clipper*joe wrote:
    On a side note, Zack Randolph ( 30-7) just won a game for the Grizzlies...the beat the Raptors. D'oh!!!!!!!!!!


    I was watching that game (morbid curiosity). His defense remains horrible as ever, but I have to give credit on his improved passing and ball movement. He's not going to be a Webber-type passer, but he's moving the ball more than I can ever remember seeing.

    And of course, he still scores well inside.

    Also, we should have taken Marcus Williams as a free agent when we had the chance. Sad


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    clipper*joe wrote:
    On a side note, Zack Randolph ( 30-7) just won a game for the Grizzlies...the beat the Raptors. D'oh!!!!!!!!!!


    Ouch. While I don't regret trading Z-Bo at all, one of the things I liked about him most while he was here was that he was capable of getting baskets in the 4th quarter. For that, he is missed.
     
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    I swear we'd be better off just running some basic, high school motion offense.


    Yes... Just run the offense you ran most of the game. Forget trying to isolate the matchups... Kaman in the low block worked the first three quarters because the Jazz didn't double him... Once the 4th quarter started, they did double him and Kaman can't handle it... Like I said before, Kaman is a great third option, but he's not a go to guy... Since we don't have a go to go, don't go to one... Just keep running your sets... Keep the ball and the players moving. It's what the Jazz do.
     
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    clipps04 wrote:
    clipper*joe wrote:
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    sorry guys, not Baron, all Kaman. Can't box out, can't defend, soft, weak hands, unable to convert when it counts. He's not a go to guy. I'm not saying they weren't bad shots, but they didn't turn the game. Feeding Kaman and getting nothing OVER AND OVER is the problem. Those possessions need to go to gordon.


    Sorry, can't agree with you -- at all. Kaman is definitely not the reason we're losing. He's been productive. He shouldn't be put in the position of being the go to guy.


    This.


    And if other guys would make their shots, maybe kaman wouldn't need to be the focal point of the offense.


    And how about 28 fast break points? Was that Kaman, too?

    There is a reason why they feed him...he makes his F****** shots!

    Al and Butler are killing us. Al is a huge offensive weapon if he just knew how to use his abilities. Attack and get to the rim first before you start taking mid range jumpers. Make people respect your game. If you're constantly attacking the basket, the defender will play off you a bit to get that nice open shot. All those FT's come in the 4th. If he starts the game off that way, he wont end the game 2-10

    Bulter plays along with the offensive, which keeps things going, but can't get his shot without someone creating for him. Don't get me wrong he's a great shooter and has a high IQ but not a deadly offensive weapon.

    I'd give Butler more minutes tomorrow and see what he can do for the offense, besides going with the flow.

    He got hot against the Suns, maybe he can do that every game if givin the minutes. Put more pressure on Al to step it the f**k up.



    YES...YES...YES!

    Our SF's are killing us right now...I think if we combined both of their best assets, we'd still come up short a player.
     
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